A WW2 alternative Question.

[Pinball Wizard]

What? You think it's far more liker the USA would have entered a war that was pretty much over? They had a hard time entering even when the war had reached a stalemate.

Invasion of a very close ally is something really any nation would join a war over especially if it was already a year in, about the time it would take to push their way to Britain.

[Archduke Sven]

What? You think it's far more liker the USA would have entered a war that was pretty much over? They had a hard time entering even when the war had reached a stalemate.

Invasion of a very close ally is something really any nation would join a war over especially if it was already a year in, about the time it would take to push their way to Britain.

Are you forgetting how negative the American people were to be in 'another European war'? FDR didn't have his home front with him!

It was only when Japan attacked America that the people became willing to go to war...

[Allasaphore]

If Britain had been invaded (assuming the Germans had the logistics to do so), it's likely the USA would have remained neutral. We need to remember that the US was still being wracked by the Depression and many were against involvement in another European war, especially after World War I (the "Great War").

FDR's personal feelings wouldn't result in a declaration of war, as that has historically been up to the US Congress (the President has had the power to intervene in other nation's affairs since the Korean War, WWII is the last war in which the US issued a formal declaration of war). Given the layout of the country in 1939-1940, I'd say he would have an uphill battle to secure the declaration, even if the UK was invaded.

Only a severe tragedy/attack on American soil would have united the nation (and Congress) and led to war.

Of course, it's doubtful the Germans would have tried to invade Britain with ground troops in the first place.

On the matter of the Royal Navy, it's important to realize it was bypassed at the Jutland by German air forces during the invasion of Norway, following the landing of ground troops there via the sea. It was possible to avoid the Royal Navy, and the idea that the entirety of Eastern/Southern Britain could be protected from air strikes is implausible. Of course, the German planes couldn't fly off far from the Norwegian coast, so Britain was spared that front.

[Duuring]

What? You think it's far more liker the USA would have entered a war that was pretty much over? They had a hard time entering even when the war had reached a stalemate.

Invasion of a very close ally is something really any nation would join a war over especially if it was already a year in, about the time it would take to push their way to Britain.

A very close ally? Since when was Britian a very close ally of the USA in the early 1940's? Even so, An ally that doesn't help you when bombs are killing your civilians by the thousands is a very lousy ally.

[Riddlez]

What? You think it's far more liker the USA would have entered a war that was pretty much over? They had a hard time entering even when the war had reached a stalemate.

Invasion of a very close ally is something really any nation would join a war over especially if it was already a year in, about the time it would take to push their way to Britain.

A very close ally? Since when was Britian a very close ally of the USA in the early 1940's?

Since never, America had a plan, a nearly executed plan, to invade canade and war with the Brits, after all.
It would be more likely (Hate incoming), if America signed a Non-offensive pact with Germany and allies, if Britain was to be invaded.
And don't forget the US was already mobilising since the start of WW2.

[Millander]

Duuring im not sure what you were talking about. FDR wanted the United States to enter the war prior to Pearl Harbor. He had speaches on the subject and made plans for it. Hell even issued a peacetime draft and passed the Lend lease act. If the UK was invaded prior to Pearl Harbour the US would have definitely entered the war. Likely would not have been bale to save Bitain if they were losing but would have entered none the less.

What? You think it's far more liker the USA would have entered a war that was pretty much over? They had a hard time entering even when the war had reached a stalemate.

Invasion of a very close ally is something really any nation would join a war over especially if it was already a year in, about the time it would take to push their way to Britain.

A very close ally? Since when was Britian a very close ally of the USA in the early 1940's? Even so, An ally that doesn't help you when bombs are killing your civilians by the thousands is a very lousy ally.

They were. The US gave equipment, food and ships to the UK before entering the War to help them against the Germans.

[Duuring]

Give or sold?

The battle of Britian was criticial for the survival of the UK, and it happened over a year BEFORE the Pearl. Why didn't the Americans jump in they were so faithful allies? Wether Rooseveldt did or did not want to enter the war doesn't settle the case. I'm talking actions here, not plans.

Though, at the other hand, the same can be said about the British and French letting the Dutch and Belgians die on their own while telling them help is underway.

By the way, don't think I'm playing the vailant hero here. I can admit fair and square the Netherlands had no desire to enter the war.

[Hadhod]

Spoiler

Duuring im not sure what you were talking about. FDR wanted the United States to enter the war prior to Pearl Harbor. He had speaches on the subject and made plans for it. Hell even issued a peacetime draft and passed the Lend lease act. If the UK was invaded prior to Pearl Harbour the US would have definitely entered the war. Likely would not have been bale to save Bitain if they were losing but would have entered none the less.

What? You think it's far more liker the USA would have entered a war that was pretty much over? They had a hard time entering even when the war had reached a stalemate.

Invasion of a very close ally is something really any nation would join a war over especially if it was already a year in, about the time it would take to push their way to Britain.

A very close ally? Since when was Britian a very close ally of the USA in the early 1940's? Even so, An ally that doesn't help you when bombs are killing your civilians by the thousands is a very lousy ally.

They were. The US gave equipment, food and ships to the UK before entering the War to help them against the Germans.

[close]

Meh, the US gave equipment to the Russians aswell but I would not agree that they were allies in that time. They only worked together because of their enemy (Hitler) who was way too powerful. And see what happened after the war.

[Duuring]

They also sold the KNIL modern weapons, tanks and aircrafts (Sold, not give. Learn the difference). Then the KNIL got beaten before the Americans could deliver most of the shit, so they just took confisquated for their own war effort. Can't blame them for that, though.

[Millander]

Give or sold?

Sold at extremely low prices to justify it to the Germans and the Public. Basically they payed the sales tax

The battle of Britian was criticial for the survival of the UK, and it happened over a year BEFORE the Pearl. Why didn't the Americans jump in they were so faithful allies? Wether Rooseveldt did or did not want to enter the war doesn't settle the case. I'm talking actions here, not plans.

Because Roosevelt did not think he could sway the American Public at that time to be on board for war.

[Duuring]

Sold at extremely low prices to justify it to the Germans and the Public. Basically they payed the sales tax

Taken.

Because Roosevelt did not think he could sway the American Public at that time to be on board for war.

So there's the answer. Tell me, Millander, how long do you think it would have taken him to get to war if the USA hadn't been attacked?

[Schmidtche]

A succesfull german Invasion of Britain would have made American war effort in Europe insanly difficult. So I doubt they would have activly entered the war without being attacked.

[Riddlez]

Everyone here is talking about the 'When'.
Why not question the 'if', in the first place.

If they hadn't been attacked, would they have joined at all?
Get those blinker off.

[Noodlenrice]

Everyone here is talking about the 'When'.
Why not question the 'if', in the first place.

If they hadn't been attacked, would they have joined at all?
Get those blinker off.

There was no way in the world the japanese would not have attacked the U.S. or the U.S. attacked them(eventual). The japanese ambitions for the pacific was just too big and interfered with everything everyone else wanted.(especially the U.S.)  Therefore Hitler and germany IF they invaded Britain would have declared war on the U.S.A. because of the fact that he was the closest of allies with the japanese.  Therefore the U.S. would not have joined the war at the congress's permission but rather from a decleration of war by another country(germany).

[Duuring]

Everyone here is talking about the 'When'.
Why not question the 'if', in the first place.

If they hadn't been attacked, would they have joined at all?
Get those blinker off.

There was no way in the world the japanese would not have attacked the U.S. or the U.S. attacked them(eventual). The japanese ambitions for the pacific was just too big and interfered with everything everyone else wanted.(especially the U.S.)

Carefully ignoring the fact the USA had stood and watched how the Japanese had attacked Russia, China and the British, French and Dutch indies. The only country not yet invaded by ground forces was Australia. When would the USA have finally decided to join the war on their own? Late 1942? Early '43? Is there really a way to tell IF they would have even joined? I don't think the American populace would have supported a war to support a Britain in shatters and a USSR that was being completely nailed.