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"Did the kingdom of Scotland conquer the kingdom of England ?"

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For a short time
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Scotland is the bitch of England.
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Offline Kammin

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"Did the Kingdom of Scotland beat the Kingdom of England?"

So I'm having a debate with a stubborn Scotsmen, who declares James VI of Scotland becoming the king of England through succession laws means that Scotland beat England and effectively conquered them through a personal union.

I disagree as the Kingdoms remained independent from each other even when ruled by the same king, and only become one when the English parliament convinced the Scottish parliament to unite in 1707. (After paying of Scottish debts after failed colonization of the Americas)

So rather then continuing this argument, as neither party is willing to admit they're wrong. I bring the argument to the forum!   

Source list

Kingdom of England basic history : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_England
Kingdom of Scotland basic history : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Scotland
King James VI of Scotland and I of England : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_I_of_England
Personal union : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_union
I know Wikipedia isn't reliable but provides simple knowledge! 



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Re: "Did the Kingdom of Scotland beat the Kingdom of England?" Debate !
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2013, 09:30:01 am »
It is not that I disagree with Wikipedia as a source, but I do mind that your only source is that same Wikipedia.

Having just one souce, is not valid.
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Re: "Did the Kingdom of Scotland beat the Kingdom of England?" Debate !
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2013, 10:29:32 am »
Wikipedia uses multiple sources so I don't have too :3 But yeah I see your point

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Re: "Did the Kingdom of Scotland beat the Kingdom of England?" Debate !
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2013, 11:01:06 am »
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Re: "Did the Kingdom of Scotland beat the Kingdom of England?" Debate !
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2013, 12:24:07 pm »
ADter 1603, the Stuarts were more concerned with England than with Scotland. That doesn't seem like a Scottish victory in my eyes.
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Re: "Did the Kingdom of Scotland beat the Kingdom of England?" Debate !
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2013, 07:23:22 pm »
That's what I said Scotland became like Wales to England

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Re: "Did the Kingdom of Scotland beat the Kingdom of England?" Debate !
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2013, 03:12:27 pm »
Seems like a daft argument over all.

You might as well say that Wales conquered Scotland seeing as the Stuarts at this time were descended from a relation of Henry VII, or that Hanover conquered Britain when George I came over.
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Re: "Did the Kingdom of Scotland beat the Kingdom of England?" Debate !
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2013, 03:36:02 pm »
Or that the Dutch conquered England when William (& Mary) ascended the throne.  :P

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Re: "Did the Kingdom of Scotland beat the Kingdom of England?" Debate !
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2013, 05:04:51 pm »
Or that the Dutch conquered England when William (& Mary) ascended the throne.  :P
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Re: "Did the Kingdom of Scotland beat the Kingdom of England?" Debate !
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2013, 07:01:24 pm »
We're all German:


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Re: "Did the Kingdom of Scotland beat the Kingdom of England?" Debate !
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2013, 08:59:17 pm »
We're all German:


Yes thats true, or Germanic, but modern English maybe looks 5% like Old English if it aint be less.
I would be interested if a moderned version of Old English was there. That was probably looking like German and Dutch and Scandinavian, but than in its own way.
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Re: "Did the Kingdom of Scotland beat the Kingdom of England?" Debate !
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2015, 02:49:33 pm »
In a Historical opinion, Yes. England beat Scotland.
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Re: "Did the Kingdom of Scotland beat the Kingdom of England?" Debate !
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2015, 03:46:37 pm »
Well you could say they did, in a sense. After all, after the fall of House Tudor, the House Stuart, Royal House of Scotland ascended to the throne of England or so.

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Re: "Did the Kingdom of Scotland beat the Kingdom of England?" Debate !
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2015, 04:28:49 pm »
England declared, England attacked Scotland, Scotland pushed them out in the end. Scotland wins kthxbai.
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Re: "Did the Kingdom of Scotland beat the Kingdom of England?" Debate !
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2015, 04:45:08 pm »
We're all German:



+1 by this logic of succession, Germany conquered us.