That being said, the Germans never considered a sea-born invasion of British mainland. They lacked the equipment for that.Well Operation Seelöwe wasn't that far away from being executed. Germans almost had the aerial control, only the decision to bomb cities instead of RAF and the industry corrupted that. The naval superiority is of course another talk, but with air-superiority, I'm sure the germans could hold the strait for some time to make an invasion.
Germans almost had the aerial control, only the decision to bomb cities instead of RAF and the industry corrupted that.
If the uk was invaded we would have entered. FDR wanted to get the US into the war and it would have been good enough of a cause to do so. Alternative histories are to weird for e to debate over.
I thought it was actually pretty easy to follow. Hes basically saying: UK invaded, Franklin Roosevelt (who wanted in) would use it as a reason to enter the war.If the uk was invaded we would have entered. FDR wanted to get the US into the war and it would have been good enough of a cause to do so. Alternative histories are to weird for e to debate over.
That makes absolutely no sense.
So how would he enter a war when the British ARE invaded (AKA, losing hard) while he didn't enter the war while the British WEREN'T invaded.
So how would he enter a war when the British ARE invaded (AKA, losing hard) while he didn't enter the war while the British WEREN'T invaded.Read what you just said and reflect on it.
What? You think it's far more liker the USA would have entered a war that was pretty much over? They had a hard time entering even when the war had reached a stalemate.Invasion of a very close ally is something really any nation would join a war over especially if it was already a year in, about the time it would take to push their way to Britain.
What? You think it's far more liker the USA would have entered a war that was pretty much over? They had a hard time entering even when the war had reached a stalemate.Invasion of a very close ally is something really any nation would join a war over especially if it was already a year in, about the time it would take to push their way to Britain.
What? You think it's far more liker the USA would have entered a war that was pretty much over? They had a hard time entering even when the war had reached a stalemate.Invasion of a very close ally is something really any nation would join a war over especially if it was already a year in, about the time it would take to push their way to Britain.
What? You think it's far more liker the USA would have entered a war that was pretty much over? They had a hard time entering even when the war had reached a stalemate.Invasion of a very close ally is something really any nation would join a war over especially if it was already a year in, about the time it would take to push their way to Britain.
A very close ally? Since when was Britian a very close ally of the USA in the early 1940's?
What? You think it's far more liker the USA would have entered a war that was pretty much over? They had a hard time entering even when the war had reached a stalemate.Invasion of a very close ally is something really any nation would join a war over especially if it was already a year in, about the time it would take to push their way to Britain.
A very close ally? Since when was Britian a very close ally of the USA in the early 1940's? Even so, An ally that doesn't help you when bombs are killing your civilians by the thousands is a very lousy ally.
Duuring im not sure what you were talking about. FDR wanted the United States to enter the war prior to Pearl Harbor. He had speaches on the subject and made plans for it. Hell even issued a peacetime draft and passed the Lend lease act. If the UK was invaded prior to Pearl Harbour the US would have definitely entered the war. Likely would not have been bale to save Bitain if they were losing but would have entered none the less.What? You think it's far more liker the USA would have entered a war that was pretty much over? They had a hard time entering even when the war had reached a stalemate.Invasion of a very close ally is something really any nation would join a war over especially if it was already a year in, about the time it would take to push their way to Britain.
A very close ally? Since when was Britian a very close ally of the USA in the early 1940's? Even so, An ally that doesn't help you when bombs are killing your civilians by the thousands is a very lousy ally.
They were. The US gave equipment, food and ships to the UK before entering the War to help them against the Germans.
Give or sold?Sold at extremely low prices to justify it to the Germans and the Public. Basically they payed the sales tax :P
The battle of Britian was criticial for the survival of the UK, and it happened over a year BEFORE the Pearl. Why didn't the Americans jump in they were so faithful allies? Wether Rooseveldt did or did not want to enter the war doesn't settle the case. I'm talking actions here, not plans.
Sold at extremely low prices to justify it to the Germans and the Public. Basically they payed the sales tax
Because Roosevelt did not think he could sway the American Public at that time to be on board for war.
Everyone here is talking about the 'When'.
Why not question the 'if', in the first place.
If they hadn't been attacked, would they have joined at all?
Get those blinker off.
Everyone here is talking about the 'When'.
Why not question the 'if', in the first place.
If they hadn't been attacked, would they have joined at all?
Get those blinker off.
There was no way in the world the japanese would not have attacked the U.S. or the U.S. attacked them(eventual). The japanese ambitions for the pacific was just too big and interfered with everything everyone else wanted.(especially the U.S.)
Everyone here is talking about the 'When'.
Why not question the 'if', in the first place.
If they hadn't been attacked, would they have joined at all?
Get those blinker off.
There was no way in the world the japanese would not have attacked the U.S. or the U.S. attacked them(eventual). The japanese ambitions for the pacific was just too big and interfered with everything everyone else wanted.(especially the U.S.)
Carefully ignoring the fact the USA had stood and watched how the Japanese had attacked Russia, China and the British, French and Dutch indies. The only country not yet invaded by ground forces was Australia. When would the USA have finally decided to join the war on their own? Late 1942? Early '43? Is there really a way to tell IF they would have even joined? I don't think the American populace would have supported a war to support a Britain in shatters and a USSR that was being completely nailed.
Lastly Indonesia was attacked by the japanese after the dutch in europe had no control over their colony because they capitulated.
Edit: The japanese would have still have the thinking the U.S. would intervene because the U.S. was already blocking off trade from japan which the warmongers in the Japanese Imperial court would have eventually used as context to bring a war against america and therefore germany would have declared war on the U.S. and bringing the U.S. into the war
Lastly Indonesia was attacked by the japanese after the dutch in europe had no control over their colony because they capitulated.
Ehm, Bullshit. The Dutch ARMY had capitulated. The Dutch Government had evacuated to Britain where it became a Government in exile - It kept control over the Dutch indies until those were invaded themselves, which was over a year later. The KNIL, the Dutch east-indies army, spend that year expanding and re-organizing - It received light tanks, machine guns and even airplanes before it was defeated.QuoteEdit: The japanese would have still have the thinking the U.S. would intervene because the U.S. was already blocking off trade from japan which the warmongers in the Japanese Imperial court would have eventually used as context to bring a war against america and therefore germany would have declared war on the U.S. and bringing the U.S. into the war
Very good. You just explained what happened in World war 2.
The Dutch indies surrendered the 9th of March 1942 - That's 22 months after the surrender of the Dutch army in the Netherlands. They weren't at war with Japan until December 1941 funnily enough. Not that anyone expected the Japanese not to come. Pretty much none of the civilians bothered to evacuate though, because they thought Japanese occupation would be like the German occupation of the Netherlands. How wrong they were...
But we are going off-topic here. Like I said, the Netherlands didn't want to get involved in the 2nd World war anyway, so that point is settled.
What if the germans put huuuge sails on Britain and sailed their whole army into the direction of the USA to invade them?:o
What if the germans put huuuge sails on Britain and sailed their whole army into the direction of the USA to invade them?
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What if the germans put huuuge sails on Britain and sailed their whole army into the direction of the USA to invade them?
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What if the germans put huuuge sails on Britain and sailed their whole army into the direction of the USA to invade them?Spoiler(https://abload.de/img/4297836-3d-map-of-grepfjdd.jpg)[close]
What if the germans put huuuge sails on Britain and sailed their whole army into the direction of the USA to invade them?
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The Germans did consider a sea-born invasion of the UK, as part of Operation Sea Lion, they actually made quite detailed plans for it.
That being said, the Germans never considered a sea-born invasion of British mainland. They lacked the equipment for that.
What if the germans put huuuge sails on Britain and sailed their whole army into the direction of the USA to invade them?Why didn't they think of that? ;)
The Germans did consider a sea-born invasion of the UK, as part of Operation Sea Lion, they actually made quite detailed plans for it.
That being said, the Germans never considered a sea-born invasion of British mainland. They lacked the equipment for that.
Plans yes, but no equipment. They had to confiscate thousands of river barges to transport the troops. 'Nuff said.
Plans yes, but no equipment. They had to confiscate thousands of river barges to transport the troops. 'Nuff said.
The Allies practically had to do the same during the Dunkirk fiasco, so that doesn't say much for moving large numbers of troops.
Plans yes, but no equipment. They had to confiscate thousands of river barges to transport the troops. 'Nuff said.
The Allies practically had to do the same during the Dunkirk fiasco, so that doesn't say much for moving large numbers of troops. Heavier equipment may have been a problem, but had the Germans been able to immediately gain air superiority, and follow the Allies after they pulled out of France, I doubt heavy weapons would have been necessary at all.
Yes it does. The Dunkirk campaign was a retreat, not an attack.
Are you forgetting that Germany's air force was the most depleted combat arm after the French campaign? The Dutch alone shot down a quarter of it.
It was anyones game at the start as Britain still had a decent quantity of Airplanes at that point, they were still able to match the Germans, and they had the advantage of fighting in their airzone.
You can turn it as you like it, but Japan had allready 1940 and before the plan to start a war against USA.They hadnt such plans, Japanese feared the economical powers of USA and GB, also the admiral Esida Dzengo as well as all fleet commanders were against axis (fleet had a lot of power in that Japan). But the fact of trade and supply decrease from that countries played great part in Japanese war escalation. They wasted time in China, had problems in Indochina, and finnaly failed on first attemps to take Holland East-Indies.
Yes it does. The Dunkirk campaign was a retreat, not an attack.
If Britain had been invaded (assuming the Germans had the logistics to do so), it's likely the USA would have remained neutral. We need to remember that the US was still being wracked by the Depression and many were against involvement in another European war, especially after World War I (the "Great War").Well, the depression was ending, if not over, by mid/late 1940 because of the ramp up for wartime started by the president.
Carefully ignoring the fact the USA had stood and watched how the Japanese had attacked Russia, China and the British, French and Dutch indies. The only country not yet invaded by ground forces was Australia. When would the USA have finally decided to join the war on their own? Late 1942? Early '43? Is there really a way to tell IF they would have even joined? I don't think the American populace would have supported a war to support a Britain in shatters and a USSR that was being completely nailed.