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Re: The community deserves better
« Reply #255 on: January 27, 2013, 10:06:36 pm »
People stop calling the revolution! Bring suggestions  ;)

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Re: The community deserves better
« Reply #256 on: January 27, 2013, 10:06:57 pm »
I am currently a head admin for the US1 side of things, and I take full responsibility for any actions both admissible and inadmissible by my admin team. I have even gone so far as to personally apologize to those who have been wrongly banned, or had admin powers misused on them. Yes, we do have new admins, and yes our current method of selecting admin may seem like a popularity contest as far as the actual process goes. It goes something like this.

1. We post a thread asking for people to apply for an admin position.

2. All of the admin candidates are then added to a list and mailed to every admin on the team.

3. The admins list the candidates in to three different groups labeled "I think this person would make a good admin" "I have had issue with this person in the past and do not feel they would make a good admin, please explain if you put them here." and "Who the heck is this?"

We do this so that we can gather information on the persons past. Any rule breaking, trolling, bans etc.. This is also used to ensure that the admin team works well together, and we try to avoid any infighting as that just causes problems.

4. We tally up all the Yes/Nos each person got and drop the people will shady pasts, bans for breaking certain rules, and add the group of people that the current admin team agrees will work best.

5. We watch, and remove any admins we feel are misusing their powers even after warnings, and rectify any wrongdoing with the intent on making those admins better as they learn to handle their new position of hatred and disdain amongst the  community.

So no, our process is not perfect, and there is most certainly a period of training that comes with adding a batch of new admins. There are a few things in this game that do not help though. The inclusion of fluff admin guns and weapons that normal players don't get a chance to use does not help us. The draw of these new "toys" is simply too much for a new admin sometimes. And the only way to punish people and remove them from the game is either an hour long or a perma ban. These issues will hopefully be fixed in BCoF.

As far as my admin team's actions go. Yes, there have been mistakes, and most have been rectified. If Crunch does end up resigning, I will be sad to see him go. He above all others with the exception of myself and Deo who have to decide when someone actually gets unbanned has faced more hate and trolling than anyone else on the US1 team and has handled it far better than most would. He has become a great admin since he was added to the roster, and is both fair and logical in his decisions when it comes to banning and punishment. He even gives warnings when he's not supposed to. -_-

At any rate, as I said before. I take full responsibility for all actions taken by my team.

Unless you are a previous 92nd member, i dont know you personally. However, i (on behalf of all who wish me to) would like to say that this isn't a witch hunt, those who are iunnocent, respectfull and caring of the communities opinions, shouldnt be put in a position that they feel the need to apologize, again, Hekko didn't want this to be a witch hunt. If americans think you are at fault then that's another issue :P But, at least in my opinion, this is an issue with the devs rather than a few rogue admins who fuck shit up.

Maybe i'm wrong, in which case, as always, my disclaimer is just ignore me and say im a cock.

"Who the heck is this?" "this guy will make a good admin" "I have had issues"?

You mean..

"Pub/never heard of" "well-known" "troll"

And it's almost always the well-knowns, I have troubles believing the yes and no tallies.  ::)
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Re: The community deserves better
« Reply #257 on: January 27, 2013, 10:07:31 pm »
For all of you who sent me abusive steam messages, I got at least 6, please stop, just because I do not agree with Hekko.
I've gotten hate mail for supporting reforms.

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Re: The community deserves better
« Reply #258 on: January 27, 2013, 10:07:40 pm »
People stop calling the revolution! Bring suggestions  ;)
We are suggesting things. A revolution is major changes and that is what we're suggesting. Try and think outside of the box.

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Re: The community deserves better
« Reply #259 on: January 27, 2013, 10:07:55 pm »
I think we need a list of demands
  • Kitty removed from her Administrator position
  • The rights to the name of the 51st given to the one who asks for it
  • An official apology from FSE
  • A more universal say in the appointment of administrators (give us a say)
  • Daniel Craig ect un banned from the forums
  • More specific forum rules with new moderators

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Re: The community deserves better
« Reply #260 on: January 27, 2013, 10:08:34 pm »
I think the important question here is, did Vince get laid after promoting his girlfriend?

All else is irrelevant.

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Re: The community deserves better
« Reply #261 on: January 27, 2013, 10:08:45 pm »
I think we need a list of demands
  • Kitty removed from her Administrator position
  • The rights to the name of the 51st given to the one who asks for it
  • An official apology from FSE
  • A more universal say in the appointment of administrators (give us a say)
  • Daniel Craig ect un banned from the forums
  • More specific forum rules with new moderators
I whole heatedly agree.

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Re: The community deserves better
« Reply #262 on: January 27, 2013, 10:08:51 pm »
I'm a bit late to the party but I'm 100% with Hekko. And when someone as experienced and respected in the community as Hekko makes a thread like this, you'd be completely daft not to take heed.

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Re: The community deserves better
« Reply #263 on: January 27, 2013, 10:09:09 pm »
People stop calling the revolution! Bring suggestions  ;)
We are suggesting things. A revolution is major changes and that is what we're suggesting. Try and think outside of the box.
VIVA LA REVOLUTION!

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Re: The community deserves better
« Reply #264 on: January 27, 2013, 10:09:15 pm »
In this community any attempt at help, is read and immediately pointed out as mediocre  and every little flaw, every little error is handled as if the entire attempt is an utter failure and deserves to live in the gallows. On the forums, every person you meet, there is a 35% chance, or around there - that the person you meet will at one point will get in a argument with you, over the stupidest damn things. Although I think administration of the official servers is not that bad, but for everything else? Fucked up. At the least. I don't have a problem with the administrators, really. I have a problem with this damn community.
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Re: The community deserves better
« Reply #265 on: January 27, 2013, 10:09:21 pm »
One last post on behalf of my friend craig:

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The problem is that our criticisms are valid, but we need to state what we want changed. I was community banned for speaking up against the admins
along with daniel and biggun. I don't think that all the FSE team do an incompotent job, for instance I think Hancock does a great job with the bans and unbans
and acts in a professional manner about such things. Here are a few things that I and I hope most of the community want.

- Re-evaluate your management of the community, and how people are watched/moderated/banned.
- Re-consider people who were given admin who may not be up to the task.
- Stop your blatant favourtisim and biased, to uphold the professionalism of FSE as a company.
- Start treating your community like people you want to keep for the sake of your new game
- Give up on your idea of trying to keep the 51st name, honestly it's offensive to other regiments who have contributed just as much.
- Give community managers to completely Neutral memebrs of the community, who wont have as little bias as possible.
- The developers apologise for how they have been running the community recently, and myself, Daniel, Biggun, Cherry and others are unbanned.


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Re: The community deserves better
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Re: The community deserves better
« Reply #267 on: January 27, 2013, 10:09:40 pm »
People stop calling the revolution! Bring suggestions  ;)

To make suggestions people would have to know Vince's stance. They don't.

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Re: The community deserves better
« Reply #268 on: January 27, 2013, 10:10:58 pm »
20:49 - FSE_Vincenzo: we will rectify the bullshit
20:50 - [91st] USE4life: In who's favor?
20:50 - [91st] USE4life: Yours or theirs?
20:50 - FSE_Vincenzo: theirs

Apology to Vince if he does not want this to be posted but I think  it may stem the flames

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Re: The community deserves better
« Reply #269 on: January 27, 2013, 10:11:30 pm »
I think we need a list of demands
  • Kitty removed from her Administrator position
  • The rights to the name of the 51st given to the one who asks for it
  • An official apology from FSE
  • A more universal say in the appointment of administrators (give us a say)
  • Daniel Craig ect un banned from the forums
  • More specific forum rules with new moderators
Adding my piece, nice job on being constructive though too  ;)
#Remove the "no popcorn gifs and quoting offensive material" rule (a little drama doesn't hurt, it is the internet after all)
#Reduce crackdown (Watches instead of mutes and bans)