Napoleonic Wars Battle Championship [NWBC]

[Zahari]

10 cav max ?

[Michael Fish]

10 cav max ?

Yeah, the specialist slots have been limited to 10, as 15 skirmishers can easily tear through a line of 25, it's the same with cavalry; a good cavalry regiment can tear through a line twice it's size (Yes even when they're in an anti cav formation.
The idea is to focus on units working together, by reducing the specialists we make them vulnerable, a glass cannon if you will.

[Michael Fish]

Brackets are listed here

[Griff Redstorm]

10 cav max ?

Yeah

Nr3 is out, thanks for accepting us in first hand.

Spoiler

I am sorry but that entire sentence is... absurd. Also; if you want to limit specialists, why artillery have 10, which is too many imo.And please consider most cavalry doesnt have firearms to shoot around and one volley from 25 can basically kill 4-5 cavalry man at least.(dont come and tell me ''no fire in charge'' it doesnt matter which rule you put somebody will do it anyway, we saw examples of it many times.) I would understand in 60v60 10 cav would be quite acceptable but in 90v90, with that amount of lines and that amount of arty...meh, there is a reason why 15 is acceptable limit around. I mean, we decided to come and play to be effective, to help our coalition to win linebattles, whatever, not just sit there and stand 1 officer+1 flag bearer+8 ranker. Another reason why we pulled out is having a regiment who usually gets 16-17 men in events, we dont want to put  big part of our men sitting in spec, but thats another story.   

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In the end, no hard feelings, sorry for the grammar, and i hope you will be succesfull with your event 

[USE4life]

10 cav max ?

Yeah

Nr3 is out, thanks for accepting us in first hand.

Spoiler

I am sorry but that entire sentence is... absurd. Also; if you want to limit specialists, why artillery have 10, which is too many imo.And please consider most cavalry doesnt have firearms to shoot around and one volley from 25 can basically kill 4-5 cavalry man at least.(dont come and tell me ''no fire in charge'' it doesnt matter which rule you put somebody will do it anyway, we saw examples of it many times.) I would understand in 60v60 10 cav would be quite acceptable but in 90v90, with that amount of lines and that amount of arty...meh, there is a reason why 15 is acceptable limit around. I mean, we decided to come and play to be effective, to help our coalition to win linebattles, whatever, not just sit there and stand 1 officer+1 flag bearer+8 ranker. Another reason why we pulled out is having a regiment who usually gets 16-17 men in events, we dont want to put  big part of our men sitting in spec, but thats another story.   

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In the end, no hard feelings, sorry for the grammar, and i hope you will be succesfull with your event 

10 arty is only two cannons and some guards. I thought 8 originally was enough but Fish leads a arty regiment. In regards to Cav I'd love 15 but as an infantry player I know that's OP. You do too Griff.

[Michael Fish]

10 cav max ?

Yeah

Nr3 is out, thanks for accepting us in first hand.

Spoiler

I am sorry but that entire sentence is... absurd. Also; if you want to limit specialists, why artillery have 10, which is too many imo.And please consider most cavalry doesnt have firearms to shoot around and one volley from 25 can basically kill 4-5 cavalry man at least.(dont come and tell me ''no fire in charge'' it doesnt matter which rule you put somebody will do it anyway, we saw examples of it many times.) I would understand in 60v60 10 cav would be quite acceptable but in 90v90, with that amount of lines and that amount of arty...meh, there is a reason why 15 is acceptable limit around. I mean, we decided to come and play to be effective, to help our coalition to win linebattles, whatever, not just sit there and stand 1 officer+1 flag bearer+8 ranker. Another reason why we pulled out is having a regiment who usually gets 16-17 men in events, we dont want to put  big part of our men sitting in spec, but thats another story.   

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In the end, no hard feelings, sorry for the grammar, and i hope you will be succesfull with your event 

I'm not gonna turn this into an argument, although i will re-iterate these points:
Artillery was put at 10 for a few reasons, mainly because it simply helps with numbers.
It's 80 vs 80

Either way, it's not me you need to apologize to, it's Price. With less than a week to the start of the tournament you pull out, that royally screws him over...

Edit: Big thanks to the 16e's cav, who were willing to step in last minute and replace the nr3.

[Griff Redstorm]

I'm not gonna turn this into an argument, although i will re-iterate these points:
Artillery was put at 10 for a few reasons, mainly because it simply helps with numbers.
It's 80 vs 80

Either way, it's not me you need to apologize to, it's Price. With less than a week to the start of the tournament you pull out, that royally screws him over...

Edit: Big thanks to the 16e's cav, who were willing to step in last minute and replace the nr3.

You say you wont turn into argument, but you are ranting about ''screwing coalitions'' ?? Interesting. Nope, you are talking about something which you have no idea. Around late February (WEEKS ago) i had conversation with him -your co organizer- about all of this 10 cavalry limit, and answer i got was...err, lets say different. Now today, we see something else. Best communication ever.

[Erik le Rouge]

I do agree with the fact that allowing only 10 cavalrymen on the field in a 160-men battle is a bad idea. I really don't see 15 cavalrymen being particularly OP against line infantry. We've always done 15 cav max during pretty much every decent event, and this since Mount & Musket, and many times have I seen lines repelling the cavalry with a good formation. It all depends on which regiment charges which regiment, but 15 men is not OP.
Just my two cents, I don't mean to start any harsh debate. But I don't think you would spoil the infantry regiments' fun by allowing 5 more cavalrymen to partake to the event, while you would let the cav regiments enjoy it more.

[Carolus.]

15 OP. Keep it to 10. Cav is not supposed to charge a 25man line anyways.

[DarkLight]

I do agree with the fact that allowing only 10 cavalrymen on the field in a 160-men battle is a bad idea. I really don't see 15 cavalrymen being particularly OP against line infantry. We've always done 15 cav max during pretty much every decent event, and this since Mount & Musket, and many times have I seen lines repelling the cavalry with a good formation. It all depends on which regiment charges which regiment, but 15 men is not OP.
Just my two cents, I don't mean to start any harsh debate. But I don't think you would spoil the infantry regiments' fun by allowing 5 more cavalrymen to partake to the event, while you would let the cav regiments enjoy it more.

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15 Its not OP, With 25 man lines forming anti cav formation plus shooting the cavalry gets destroyed pretty much.

[Carolus.]

I do agree with the fact that allowing only 10 cavalrymen on the field in a 160-men battle is a bad idea. I really don't see 15 cavalrymen being particularly OP against line infantry. We've always done 15 cav max during pretty much every decent event, and this since Mount & Musket, and many times have I seen lines repelling the cavalry with a good formation. It all depends on which regiment charges which regiment, but 15 men is not OP.
Just my two cents, I don't mean to start any harsh debate. But I don't think you would spoil the infantry regiments' fun by allowing 5 more cavalrymen to partake to the event, while you would let the cav regiments enjoy it more.

+1

15 Its not OP, With 25 man lines forming anti cav formation plus shooting the cavalry gets destroyed pretty much.

It depends on the line and the cav(the skill level). If you play as cav somewhat often you know that anti-cav formations like squares and blobbing up is useless and only favors the cav. Keep it to 10.

[Zahari]

If u have 10 ppl u dont have space for mistake. 10 cav are good only for 1 charge .

[Thorvic]

Just to know, how many players can we bring at maximum / minimum ?

[DarkLight]

I do agree with the fact that allowing only 10 cavalrymen on the field in a 160-men battle is a bad idea. I really don't see 15 cavalrymen being particularly OP against line infantry. We've always done 15 cav max during pretty much every decent event, and this since Mount & Musket, and many times have I seen lines repelling the cavalry with a good formation. It all depends on which regiment charges which regiment, but 15 men is not OP.
Just my two cents, I don't mean to start any harsh debate. But I don't think you would spoil the infantry regiments' fun by allowing 5 more cavalrymen to partake to the event, while you would let the cav regiments enjoy it more.

+1

15 Its not OP, With 25 man lines forming anti cav formation plus shooting the cavalry gets destroyed pretty much.

It depends on the line and the cav(the skill level). If you play as cav somewhat often you know that anti-cav formations like squares and blobbing up is useless and only favors the cav. Keep it to 10.

Blobbing up its useless? Well, 25 man forming a blob and shooting against just 15 hussars will make a short work of them, and i know it well because i have hundreds of linebattles played as a calvaryman, you can ask any other cavalry player and they will say the same.

Also, a 10 man cap will be just unfunny for the cavalry regiments, we cant bring our full numbers and all we could its wait half an hour for the melee and probably get shooted in the process.

[Rhen]

Griff, as he, himself, stated, did not intend to create a debate; only formally explain that we will pull out from this event for reasons you can look at in his post. Whatever the other regiments decide to do, is up to them, but there's no point in having this debate, which is undesired by the organisers and co-organisers. Let it be, or leave it.