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First, a short foreword about the lists from me:

There is no way to create a list that pleases everybody; nobody likes reading a rating of themselves that is lower than their internal perception. In some ways, it is audacious of anyone to even attempt to reduce the combined experiences of hundreds of players to simple bullet points. 99% of the players listed had no say in their rating, and may quite justifiably feel as though their rating is unfair or unjust. In such a scenario it is easy to interpret your rating as an attack on your many years of playing this game and a degradation of your successes.

I can only ask that everyone remembers that this is a work of opinion. It is true that there is factual data behind many of these ratings, including dozens of tournament results which have been scoured over for many hours (big thanks to Tardet & Tiberias for allowing us to use their tournament archive). Additionally, many of the players behind the ratings have an immense amount of combined experience. For some people, knowing this group of players had a hand in the ratings will console them - they may think it reduces the bias in the lists - while for others it will create a sense of doubt about the veracity of some of the assessments which we have made. I can only ask that you trust the judgement of these players. There is further information at the end of the lists about how player and team ratings were determined.

Further, it is also worth pointing out that I myself have not been around in NW for very long. Even for the time that I have been around it has been on a temporary basis, only paying attention and taking part every few months. For that reason, I have kept my input to a minimum in the creation of these lists. I am responsible for adapting the bbcode from the Native version of this list, and I have given my opinion on some of the rankings and ratings, but my role has been limited for the aforementioned reasons.

The 'All Time' list features the top 200 players in Napoleonic Wars history, while the 'By Era' list is limited to the top 30 for each period of time. Neither of these are ranked in order, but are in alphabetical order within their respective categories. If you have not been mentioned, please do not take it as an attack on your experience or on yourself. Nobody has the ability to accurately determine your skill other than yourself.

On to the lists. To understand this you have to understand the Official categorization of eras, so that's where we'll begin:





April, 2012
Early Competitive

Description
Spoiler
The first era of NW. Many regiments and players continued on from Mount & Musket, whilst many new talents began to emerge. This was the most "raw" era, a time before complex meta and scripted mechanics.
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November, 2013
Old Generation

Description
Spoiler
As the new talents who had been introduced to Napoleonic Wars began to bloom, and as the Mount & Musket veterans consolidated their position at the top of the scene, the first true competitive era began. The 91st continued to field strong groupfighting teams, as they had done since the beginning of the module, and an intense rivalry between Melee Gods and Power Rangers, the two strongest teams of the era, saw them trading wins back and forth. Other teams like The Disciples provided a tertiary opposition, stealing the occasional win and podium position.
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May, 2015
The Twin Titans

Description
Spoiler
In every good story there is a rivalry, a competition between two superpowers. The strongest players of the Old Generation consolidated themselves into one immensely strong team, TFFO, whilst the new rapidly rising French stars formed their own super-team. This era is dominated by TFFO and French Touch, with almost no other team managing to score a tournament win. Some did manage this feat, such as V75 in the 2016 GFL, but these instances were few and far between. This is arguably the most hotly contested period of NW ever, and certainly was up to this point, as the veterans of the Old Generation were put to the test by eager newcomers.
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November, 2016
French Legacy

Description
Spoiler
For some this era is a dark time, while for others it is the apex of their time in NW. TFFO faltered, fracturing due to internal drama and some players retiring, and the new French stars dominated the scene. This era saw a level of dominance established by a single team that would never be seen again, with the hard work of the likes of HaZe and ExTaZz paying off in a massive way. That is not to say that French Touch & All Stars never lost a match, as they did fail to claim a few tournaments during this era, but the majority of titles went to one of their two teams. However, as this era progressed, the seeds of their downfall began to be sewn with similar issues to TFFO with some internal dissues and certain key players like Haze beginning to play significantly less. The soon-to-be super-teams Poosy and ChimpZ were both formed during this era and, while they did not find immediate successes, their perseverance would soon pay off.
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March, 2018
Late New Generation

Description
Spoiler
The confidence of the French stars reached an all time high, turning from confidence to complacency. Just as French Touch had done to the Old Generation, even newer, keener, groups of players began to conglomerate into teams of their own. In an instant, the dominance of the French teams was ended, and instead Poosy and ChimpZ, under the leadership of Bagins and Voluble respectively, became the dominating forces. A resurgent TBE, empowered by the additions of Herishey and Golden, as well as various other Old Generation players, managed to win several tournaments despite the dominance of ChimpZ and Poosy. Additionally, as this era progressed, the French players managed to find their footing for a second time under the banner of Tz0. This time, they recruited various wayward talents, the likes of Marquez, to bolster their roster against the other super-teams. Whilst competition among these teams for Gold was intense, there also existed intense competition for other podium positions. Jedi, Snappers, Cazadores, DDB and Animals all managed to place in the top 3 at some point in this era, forming a strong set of challenger teams just below the superpowers of the era.
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June, 2019
Remnants

Description
Spoiler
With the era of French domination well in the past and the glory of Poosy and ChimpZ fading, space was created for the newest superstars to form their own teams and challenge the established order. No other team was more successful in this than Proud Boys, who formed under Movement's leadership, and established themselves as the top team in NW for a period of time. Not long into this era, the remnants of Poosy and ChimpZ re-organised themselves with a few new additions and returned to the scene, competing at the highest level once more, but quickly dispersed into other teams. This era is characterised by the quick emergence and disappearance of teams, with the likes of Cazadores, Jedi, Toxicity Zero and Olympians all reforming and/or disbanding. Even as Warband reaches a decade of release time, with NW having been out for 8 years, and even with Bannerlord released, competitive NW continues to thrive.
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May, 2020
Lockdown

Description
Spoiler
With an unprecedented global pandemic in full effect, every player found their life affected in one way or another. For many, this meant more time at their PC and more time to play. During this period, the matchmaking client launched and, despite an initial wave of popularity, quickly faded to obscurity as the excitement subsided. This era saw the relative weakening of the typical titan teams, compared to other eras, as other competitors rose to the challenge and won stunning victories. In some part, this is due to the lack of enthusiasm and lack of consistent participation by some of the strongest players/teams, though primarily it is due to the severe underrating of a substantial number of quality players. Jedi Masters in particular managed to be the most consistent force across this era, winning one less tournament than Proud Boys but scoring many more second places than any other team (3). Additionally, traditionally unstoppable forces such as Poosy and the French teams disbanded and reformed in various different states. Due to the lack of consistency in roster, form and participation by these various French teams it was made impossible to credit them accurately. Though a short era, this was a remarkable period in the history of the game due to the unusual circumstances surrounding it, making it an appropriate addition to the all time list.
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November, 2020

June, 2021
End of Lockdown

Description
Spoiler
Lockdown was finally over and seemed out of sight for this period for most nations meaning some players went as we expected and matchmaking died down a bit again, though remained active. ChimpZ failed to reach the consistency everyone expected with the roster they had but still had very strong performances overall, Grouped impressed with a less 'stacked' roster having a great season in the tournaments they lasted and Litost maybe didn't reach the heights they expected after their initial tournament but remained consistently on the podium spots. During this era we saw the rise and fall of many very strong teams like  Litost, Grouped, ChimpZ and Pattern Masters in a fairly well contested season. Litost, ChimpZ and Patterns all had their time in the spotlight at different points throughout the season but Litost being the most consistent came out on top overall.
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February, 2022
Post Lockdown

Description
Spoiler
During this period we saw a decline in players like we had prior to the lockdown era(s) as expected a few players began to drop out, especially at the top end of the competition. Originally I chose the end of the third season of the EGS (European Groupfighting Series) to be when we updated this list as we hoped the main core of players would keep going until the end of this but we saw many teams and players drop out before the update, unfortunately. In season 2 we hoped to see a close cut competition between Proud Boys, Poosy and Amaterasu but in the end it fell short. After some poor performances from Proud Boys we saw them disband mid Season. Poosy had a similar case where many of the players as Poosy members often do lost motivation and their roster was not as active as they'd have liked. Overall Amaterasu was then able to dominate this season apart from one tournament which Poosy managed to win, though they still had a reasonable level of competition with the weakened Poosy team and the mid-season formed team, Legends. This was very similar to season 3 where we hoped to see a close season between Envy and 10c but much 10c also disbanded after several key players lost interest and stopped playing competitively. This left the gate open to Envy who again for the most part dominated the season with little competition. We saw some lower-level teams such as Enigma, Invictus and Animals also perform well over the two seasons each claiming several second and third places.
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« Last Edit: March 03, 2022, 11:02:44 pm by Gibby Jr »
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Re: Gibby & Herishey's All Time NW List(s)
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2020, 11:12:06 pm »



 
 
All Time
(in alphabetical order)

Tiers 1-2
Tier 1
Axiom
Bagins
DOMI
Eddie
Elsse
Evanovic
ExTaZz94
Fwuffy
Golden
HaZe
Herishey
Ledger
Moskito
Python
Rikimaru
Shadey
Stark
Tiberias
Troister
Wolpi
Zeyden
 
Tier 2
ClaSh
Cr3a
fatkoala
Gerher
Higen
Hokej
Ivan
Jammo
LeBrave
lonedoge
Maharbaal
Marquez
Mopin
Rikkert
Voluble
Tiers 3-4
Tier 3
Achilles
Akame
Bunter_igel
Dren
Harrier
Hypno
JackieChan
Janne
JHS
Kore
Lubukill
Mandar1nch1k
MarxeiL
Maurice
Mike
Muha
Obelix
Posh
Rune
SpaceKiller
Tigere
Vortx
Xeon
Zork
 
Tier 4
Anubis
Badsheep
Beorning
Berkovic
Bessieres
BlackBeard
Chuckster
DarkTemplar
Dekkers
Draken
Elessar
Enrik
EpicPizza
Falk
Flopz
Fotin
Fralla8
Freddie
Graham
Gressien
Gull
Irish
Jakob
LameHorse
Louiss
Melsyo
Melton
Michal
Mik
Movement
NeedSomeMore
Nero
NIFU
Nock
Nosswill
Nozza
Padawan
Petl
Pieter
Red
RebelliouS
Robby
Rommel
Specimen
Smyky
Steinmann
TheDead
Titan
Vikestad
Waringham
Water
Wursti
XaArtil
Yuriman
ZeroSkilled
 
Tier 5
Tier 5
Alatriste
Alator
Aximus
Bakarat
Barro
Barristan
Bertman
Blacktham
Blade
Carolus
Caskie
Cazasar
Connimir
DarkCore
DayBoul
Deans
Desant
Dusan
Devald
Eddard_Stark
Edward_Kenway
Elling
ExoticFail
Ext Kill
FearRipper
Felix
Fietta
firefly
Flammeus
Floris
Gi
Gibby
GoKiller
GrantyPooh
HerculesTP
Hertz
Him
Ismar
Jonnyboy
Kennedy
Kobzik
Legendahkiin
Marley
Maverick
Meister
Metalsie
Michel Ney
Mr_T
Muleganda
Murphy
Narrow
normanguy
TheNorseman
OHNO
ONeil
Ophion
Owindd
Peponi
Peterman
Phreak
Primus
Quenouille
Raii
Rydh
Sanitarium
SharZ
Shogun
SilentPain
Sinjide
Skikkers
Skybier
Slavic
Svensson
Teddy
TheNorseman
Thomas
ThrowUpTheX
Timlef
Timurid
Vade
Vampyr
Vorlen
Warder
Whaleman
Winchansa
Witcher
Yoda
Zappy
Zenon
2oothBrush
 
 

 
 
By Era
(in alphabetical order)


Early Competitive
Top 1-10
Akame
ClaSh
Dekkers
Evanovic
Graham
Harrier
JackieChan
Rikimaru
Vikestad
Xeon
     Top 11-20
Eddie
Flammeus
GoKiller
Lubukill
Melton
Moskito
Phreak
Robby
Smyky
Svensson
     Top 21-30
Bessieres
Devald
JHS
mem95
Mopin
Muleganda
N.S.M
OldGuard
Specimen
Varangian
Old Generation
Top 1-10
Axiom
Eddie
Evanovic
Fatkoala
Ledger
Lubukill
Mopin
Moskito
Rikimaru
SpaceKiller
     Top 11-20
Beorning
Draken
Enriik
Falk
Flopz
Harrier
Jammo
JHS
Nosswill
Posh
     Top 21-30
Herishey
Kore
LameHorse
NIFU
Nozza
Robby
Thomas
Titan
Waringham
Whaleman
The Twin Titans
Top 1-10
Axiom
Eddie
ExTaZz94
HaZe
Herishey
LeBrave
Ledger
Mandar1n
Stark
Tiberias
     Top 11-20
EpicPizza
Evanovic
Fatkoala
Hokej
Jammo
Troister
Mopin
Rikimaru
Vade
Zork
     Top 21-30
DarkTemplar
Elessar
JHS
Maharbaal
Maurice
Mik
Peponi
Petl
RebelliouS
Rommel

French Legacy
Top 1-10
ExTaZz94
Fwuffy
HaZe
Hokej
Ledger
Maharbaal
Moskito
Stark
Tiberias
Troister
     Top 11-20
Axiom
Bagins
Cr3a
Dren
Herishey
Jammo
LeBrave
Maurice
Muha
Zork
     Top 21-30
Fotin
Freddie
Golden
lonedoge
Marquez
MarxeiL
Mopin
Python
Vortx
Wolpi
Late New Generation
Top 1-10
Bagins
Cr3a
ExTaZz94
Fwuffy
Golden
Marquez
Python
Tiberias
Voluble
Wolpi
     Top 11-20
DOMI
Herishey
Hokej
Maharbaal
Muha
MarxeiL
Rikkert
Stark
Troister
Vortx
     Top 21-30
Anubis
Berkovic
Gerher
Ivan
Janne
LeBrave
Maurice
Moskito
Obelix
Shadey
Remnants
Top 1-10
Bagins
DOMI
ExTaZz94
Fwuffy
Golden
Ivan
Marquez
Python
Shadey
Troister

     Top 11-20
Elsse
Gerher
Hypno
Muha
Obelix
Rikkert
Rune
Tiberias
Voluble
Wolpi
     Top 21-30
Anubis
Bunter_Igel
Cr3a
Fralla8
Irish
Janne
Kore
Ledger
Movement
Vortx
Lockdown
Top 1-10
DOMI
Elsse
ExTaZz94
Golden
Ivan
Python
Rune
Shadey
Wolpi
Zeyden
     Top 11-20
Fwuffy
Herishey
Higen
Janne
Lonedoge
Marquez
Mike
Rikkert
Tigere
Water
     Top 21-30
Alatriste
Axiom
Gerher
Gull
Kore
Blackbeard
Fralla8
Louiss
Obelix
Padawan
End of Lockdown
Top 1-10
DOMI
Elsse
ExTaZz94
Golden
Higen
Lonedoge
Python
Shadey
Wolpi
Zeyden
     Top 11-20
Axiom
Bunter_Igel
ClaSh
Gerher
Herishey
Red
Rikkert
Steinmann
Troister
Voluble
     Top 21-30
Achilles
Janne
LeBrave
Marquez
MarxeiL
Mike
Quenouille
TheDeaD
Tigere
Vortx
Post Lockdown
Top 1-10
Achilles
Chuckster
DOMI
ExtaZz94
Golden
Herishey
Jakob
Python
Shadey
Zeyden
     Top 11-20
Axiom
Bunter_Igel
Elsse
Gerher
Higen
Janne
Red
Troister
Wolpi
Wursti
     Top 21-30
Blacktham
ClaSh
Hypno
Kennedy
Marquez
MarxeiL
Narrow
Steinmann
TheDeaD
Zenon
« Last Edit: March 10, 2022, 12:51:35 pm by Herishey »
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Re: Gibby & Herishey's All Time NW List(s)
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2020, 11:12:19 pm »





All Time

1    French Touch
2    Poosy
3    Power Rangers
4    ChimpZ
5    TFFO
  6    Proud Boys
  7    Graham & His Minions
  8    Melee Gods
  9    Toxicity Zero
10    Argyllshire Teams (91st)
11    All Stars
12    Cazadores
13    Jedi Masters
14    Snappers
15    The Best Ever
16    Amaterasu
17    Envy
18    Litost
19    CCCP
20    The Disciples


By Era


Early Competitive
1    Graham & His Minions
2    Team Argyll (91st)
3    Power Rangers (8Lr)
4    The Forbidden Order
5    BBF
Old Generation
1    Power Rangers
2    Melee Gods
3    Team Argyll (91st)
4    The Disciples
5    Spartans
The Twin Titans
1    TFFO
2    French Touch
3    V75
4    Jedi Masters
5    CCCP

French Legacy
1    French Touch
2    All Stars
3    Power Rangers
4    TFFO
5    ChimpZ
Late New Generation
1    Poosy
2    ChimpZ
3    Toxicity Zero
4    The Best Ever
5    Cazadores
Remnants
1    Proud Boys
2    ChimpZ
3    Cazadores
4    Poosy
5    Toxicity Zero

Lockdown
1    Proud Boys
2    JediMasters
3    Cazadores
4    GodsHand
5    Toxicity Zero
End of Lockdown
1    Litost
2    Grouped
3    ChimpZ
4    Pattern Academy
5    Jedi Masters
Post Lockdown
1    Amaterasu
2    Envy
3    Poosy
4    Legends
5    10c







All Time

1    15th_YR
2    K-KA
3    91st (Tavington)
4    77y
5    Nr.24
  6    17e (Pieter)
  7    66th
  8    14e
  9    92nd (Donald)
10    84e
11    17e (Posh)
12    92nd (Wolffe)
13    85e
14    96y
15    Spartans
16    18e
17    Nr.12
18    63e
19    45thN
20    33rd


By Era


2013-14
1    Nr.24
2    91st (Tavington)
3    92nd (Donald)
4    14e
5    84e
2015
1    15th_YR
2    91st (Tavington)
3    Spartans
4    77y
5    92nd (Heinrich)
2016
1    17e (Pieter)
2    K-KA
3    15th_YR
4    77y
5    78th

2017
1    66th
2    17e (Pieter)
3    85e
4    K-KA
5    77y
2018-2019
1    15th_YR
2    K-KA
3    96y
4    18e
5    Nr.12
2020
1    15th_YR
2    92nd (Wolffe)
3    18th (Ryan)
4    96y
5    77y

2021
1    15thYR
2    92nd
3    45thN
4    55th
5    13e
« Last Edit: February 27, 2022, 09:22:52 pm by Gibby Jr »
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Re: Gibby & Herishey's All Time NW List(s)
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2020, 11:12:29 pm »




All Time
(in alphabetical order)


Austria & Switzerland
Commander
DarkTemplar
ExoticFail
 
Top 10 Players
Bertman
Bigmama
19boboy97
Caps
DarkTemplar
Eddard_Stark
ExoticFail
Gull
Hopsin
Marley

Belgium
Commander
Ody
Titan
 
Top 10 Players
Barro
Ereboss
FearRipper
Foxtrot
Ilypa
Kaldor
Ody
Pluto
Syntax
Titan
Bulgaria
Commander
DeathBG
Muha
 
Top 10 Players
Artista
Danail
DarkBG
DeathBG
Desteny
Extazii
Haidut
Invisible
JackieChan
Muha
Czech Republic & Slovakia
Commander
Kore
Salakien
 
Top 10 Players
Fwuffy
Hokej
Kore
Peterman
Petl
Raii
Salakien
Smyky
Thor
Wencosa


Denmark & Norway
Commander
Aximus
Moussolini
 
Top 10 Players
Aximus
Devald
Melton
Moussolini
Norseman
Phreak
Rune
Vikestad
Whaleman
Zappy
England
Commander
Bagins
Herishey
 
Top 10 Players
Axiom
Bagins
DOMI
Evanovic
Herishey
Jammo
Mopin
Python
Shadey
Voluble
Finland
Commander
Hekko
Sakonen
 
Top 10 Players
Adams
Akame
Ase
Cletus
Janne
Hekko
Henkka
Muleganda
Sakonen
Varangian
France
Commander
HaZe
LeBrave
 
Top 10 Players
ClaSh
Cr3a
Elsse
ExTaZz94
HaZe
LeBrave
Maharbaal
Tiberias
Troister
Zeyden


Germany
Commander
Moskito
Tigere
 
Top 10 Players
Bunter Igel
Eddie
Gerher
Gressien
JackieChan
Jakob
Moskito
Rommel
Tigere
Wolpi
Greece
Commander
AlekoTheGreek
Morgoth
 
Top 10 Players
AlekoTheGreek
Archmage
DiglosGR
Freedom
GEO
LoneBeast
Ntinos
Morgoth
Revan
Rommel
Hungary
Commander
Marton
RolandHunter
 
Top 10 Players
Bence
Benjo
Cmanda
Jar
Marton
Menter
Pdawg
Pharis
RolandHunter
Sak
Ireland
Commander
Golden
Irish
 
Top 10 Players
Butler
Golden
Irish
Ivan
lonedoge
Maverick
ONeil
Rival
Ryan
Shogunai


Italy
Commander
Skyfall
Stefano
 
Top 10 Players
Andrea
BlueMoon
Falcone
Gozzillas
Mattia
Picco
Sir_Barristan
Skyfall
Stefano
WildKeeper
Netherlands
Commander
Rikkert
Pieter
 
Top 10 Players
Anubis
Ismar
Melsyo
Movement
NeedSomeMore
Nero
Pieter
Rikimaru
Rikkert
Timlef
Poland
Commander
Simskil
Vortx
 
Top 10 Players
Amue
Eison
Michal
Patruk
Simskil
Vortx
Warder
Wielkopolanin
XaArtil
Zenon
Portugal
Commander
R1bazZz
Viriathus
 
Top 10 Players
Cortez
Maia
Pedro
Pinto
Rasp
R1bazZz
Salgado
Skorp
Titolas
Viriathus


Romania
Commander
Darius
Draken
 
Top 10 Players
Darius
Draken
EagleF1re
Flav
Frankie
Micros
Regulation
Roman
Snowfox
Stampfer
Russia
Commander
Beorning
Elessar
 
Top 10 Players
Archangel
Beorning
Besha
Edward Kenway
Elessar
Max
Max1mus
Red
Severus
Zork
Scotland
Commander
Caskie
Gi
 
Top 10 Players
Caskie
Dayboul
Deans
Fatkoala
Gaz
Gi
Jerome
Meister
Mike
Porkins
Serbia
Commander
MightyPain
Mister_Soda
 
Top 10 Players
Ace
Arkan
Bashful
MightyPain
MiscoSRB
Mister_Soda
Momcilo
Uros_SRB
Varadin
WhiteDeath


Spain
Commander
Chicken
Marquez
 
Top 10 Players
Alatriste
Carlitos
Chicken
DarkLight
Garcia
Laurens
Marquez
Mr_T
Padawan
Retamar
Sweden
Commander
Stark
Steinmann
 
Top 10 Players
Achilles
EpicPizza
Fralla8
Him
JHS
Stark
Steinmann
Rydh
Yuriman
ZeroSkilled
Turkey
Commander
Berkovic
RebelliouS
 
Top 10 Players
Berkovic
Ironreign
Marji
Metalsie
Nedim
RebelliouS
Sanel
Strawhead
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Re: Gibby & Herishey's All Time NW List(s)
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2020, 11:12:38 pm »
Disclaimer
Napoleonic Wars offers a unique competitive experience that cannot be found in any other Mount & Blade module. NW offers the definitive tools for complex, organised tactics and its regimental scene embodies this to the fullest extent. Groupfighting, while generally on a much smaller scale, is unique in giving an equal playing field to every player - the only difference between each one being their skill. Thousands of players have passed through this module at one time or another, competing at different levels, and every individual that has taken part has left their personal mark in some way. Everyone has their own story and their own memories, and all of them are unique and special.

The competitive scene of NW has existed since the release of the module, and arguably even before that on Mount & Musket, which makes judging and comparing players from different time periods incredibly difficult. This issue is exacerbated by the absence of detailed statistics and recordings for many eras. While the tournament archive produced by Tardet and Tiberias has been a great help in this regard, there is no way for us to be able to evaluate every tournament, every team and every player fairly. I hope that everyone who reads the above lists has that in mind as they do so.

In making this list, a combination of memory, recordings, statistics, old list threads, tournament pages and archives were used. All of these were reviewed not only by myself and Herishey, but by close to a dozen other community members - all of whom had their input evaluated fairly and equally to create the most accurate lists possible.

What makes sense one of the greatest then? Attempts to answer this question have filled articles, books and videos in all fields where humans engage in competition, and even fields where humans don't engage with the primary aspect of competing it is brought up on a regular basis. When looking at examples of fully fleshed out esports, we noticed three things: Firstly, people try to define a set of criteria that is supposed to reflect the complexity of the given task in their fields. Secondly, the element of time plays a vital role because it adds context and meaning. Thirdly, unless a certain criteria is directly measured in statistics, the assessment of the greatness of someone is and always will be subjective. Even if a certain criteria is directly measured by statistics, the evaluation and importance of that criteria compared to the other ones is subjective.

Inevitably, this means that despite our best attempts to be fair and impartial in assessing the greatness of NW's legends, there is no doubt that there are many flaws in our lists due to the subjective nature of the evaluation process. Therefore, should you find yourself disillusioned with your rating or feeling as though you have been underrated, do not worry. Each individual knows best what they have achieved, who they are better than, what their mark on the game is, and no list or rating can degrade that experience.


What makes someone one of the best of all time?
This takes us back to the set of criteria that we just mentioned above: the criteria that are always established before rating greatness. In the case of NW, we have mainly looked at the following criteria in order to assess the greatness of a player: Raw mechanical ability, gamesense and awareness, the ability to teamplay and communicate, clutch and fear factor, the dominance of a player compared to other players in their role, the importance of the era relative to other eras, longevity, their successes and of course the importance of the player within their team.

Based on our understanding of these terms, that will most likely be congruent with the understanding of most but certainly not all players, the ratings are based on an evaluation of every player in these categories. Even if we had the use of clear statistics for K/D, most of the above categories are not reflected at all, whereas others, for example, the amount of kills someones has gotten might give you an idea of their raw mechanical ability, but certainly not a clear, objective assessment.

Additionally, we are fully aware that some of the categories have a high positive correlation. For example, should a player be hugely dominant compared to the other players of their role in an era, their fear factor is most likely equally high.


Resources
The primary resource for this list is Tardet and Tiberias' tournament archive, which we are very grateful for being given access to. Additionally, Herishey's infinite memory provided a great cornerstone for us to work from and evaluate the accuracy of using actual statistics and factual data. We have scoured dozens of tournament boards, looked at hundreds of events and tournaments, consulted a huge number of highly respected community members - both new and old gen - and have completed a work which we genuinely feel reflects the magnanimity and scale of the NW scene. I must also give thanks to Scar for his permission to use the Native version of this thread as a template from which I could adapt the bbcode. While I could have designed an aesthetic myself, there is no doubt that every forum piece produced by Scar comes with the best look possible.

The following people helped out and were happy to have their involvement made public:
  • Gibby (base lists, bbcode adaptation, opinion on all lists)
  • Golden (opinion on all lists)
  • Herishey (provided vast majority of names, opinion on all lists)
  • Python (opinion on all lists)
  • Elsse (opinion on all lists)
  • Evanovic (opinion on some eras)
  • Eddie (opinion on some eras)
  • Shadey (header and sub-headers)
  • Drake (opinion on all lists)
  • Stark (opinion on all lists)
  • Rikkert (helped with both regimental lists)
  • Tardet (provided a lot of data for the player ratings/groupfighting teams lists)
  • Tiberias (provided a lot of data for the player ratings/groupfighting teams lists)
  • Water (opinion on some eras)
  • MarxeiL (opinion on some eras)
  • DOMI (opinion on some eras)
  • Kore (opinion on some eras)
  • Gi (helped with the all time regimental list)
Many more people had a hand in these ratings, but only the above explicitly stated that they are happy for their involvement to be made public.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2021, 06:38:46 pm by Gibby Jr »
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Re: Gibby & Herishey's All Time NW List(s)
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2020, 11:15:10 pm »
If anyone spots any mistakes with flags or anything too please let us know, it's a lot of names to not mess up at least one.
I won lots of things, I came 2nd and 3rd in lots of things, I guess I did some other shit too........ I'm also an FSE legend, probably most commonly described as a cunt. If the shit I do doesn't make sense in your head, well fuck you because it makes sense in mine.

Which i did, against known and reputed player, some of them considered legend, such as, Mandarin, Ledger, Tiberias, Herishey, Hokej, Troister, Axiom, Evanovic, Stark, Eddie, Jammo, Bagins, Freddie, Python. I didn't had a good relationship with most of them, but i congratulate them for what they did, and i had pleasure facing them.

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Re: Gibby & Herishey's All Time NW List(s)
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2020, 11:16:46 pm »
holy

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shit

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Fair play to you both. This must have taken a lot of time and effort.
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Re: Gibby & Herishey's All Time NW List(s)
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2020, 11:21:16 pm »
They had a lot of help, thanks for involving me too guys :D

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Re: Gibby & Herishey's All Time NW List(s)
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2020, 11:21:48 pm »
this is rly good!

1x NA Duel- Runner up |  3x 3v3- 3rd place (Seadderol Deflatriots) (Ez Money) (71st Guards + Russian) | 1x Duel League- 4th place | 1x Regimental Groupfighting- 1st place (71st)  l  1x 2v2- 3rd Place (Vortex/Theodin) | TNWL Season 2 - 1st Place l 1x 2v2- 1st Place (Theodin/Elite) l 2x NANWL-
 71st, Nr8(LG) l 1x 4v4- 1st Place (RussianFury, Waste, NickCole, Theodin) l 1x Cav Joust- 2nd Place l 1x 4v4-
 3rd Place (Theodin, AsianP, Sleek, Godfried, Lurvy) l 1x 5v5 - 1st Place (RussianFury, Yoshie, Krastinov, Jorge, Theodin - Thanos and his children)

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Re: Gibby & Herishey's All Time NW List(s)
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2020, 11:22:07 pm »
They had a lot of help, thanks for involving me too guys :D

I didn't name anyone because I know some people didn't want their involvement to be known, but if you (or anyone else) that helped out wants that to be public I will edit it into the thread.
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Re: Gibby & Herishey's All Time NW List(s)
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2020, 11:25:40 pm »
Dren not in the France dream team smh ?

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Re: Gibby & Herishey's All Time NW List(s)
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2020, 11:26:25 pm »
tfw you making chimpz but dont even get a mention
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Re: Gibby & Herishey's All Time NW List(s)
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2020, 11:28:04 pm »
ahh yes an "all time list" where all the dog shit players from forever ago get to circlejerk how good they were 6 years ago

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Re: Gibby & Herishey's All Time NW List(s)
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2020, 11:29:07 pm »
Elsse & Dren not in the France dream team smh ?

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Re: Gibby & Herishey's All Time NW List(s)
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2020, 11:34:00 pm »
This looks like a fucking obituary. The games still alive!
So let’s just ignore someone like Maskman who knows next to nothing about leading and the capabilities of regiments performing well in a linebattle type of event.
To state that anyone on a “good day could beat the 77y/15thYR” is just a meme of its own, if that was the case why don't you beat the 77y or 15thYR then!?