The General Political Thread

[Duuring]

But life is sacred. 

[Vincenzo]

The whole abortion debate is retarted.

But that is any debate where religion is involved.

[Duuring]

Your rights oppress my freedom of religion reeeee

[William]

I'm not saying I support pro-life, but I do think it's incredibly stupid to want to brag about getting abortions the way that American Feminists do. I just view them as a sad necessity in an ever changing and constantly shifting world.

[Duuring]

It's not sad to control your own body and be entitled to your own choices. That's what they're 'bragging' about, even though I very much doubt that group resembles even more then 0.01% of people getting abortions so it's really a moot point anyway.

[Edwin]

Not to mention the conservative judges he's planting down on all courts. The USA is going to feel this one for a long time.

Don't sound so somber. Perhaps now we'll get less judges challenging presidential executive orders, and less illegal immigrants being able to repeatedly offend before finally being deported. The vast majority of society does not benefit from lenient judges.

[StevenChilton]

But we're not talking about the UK.

Did anyone keep track of the number of illegal abortions and the number of deaths related to those anyway?

We're not, but you were making a point about deaths in general. I'm only familiar with UK statistics on the issue and deaths from backstreet abortions were around 30 per year (the number of deaths from *legal* abortions were around 20. Abortion has been legal in the UK since 1929). The figures are reasonably reliable and come from a national programme called 'Confidential Enquiry into Maternal Deaths (CEMD) which has been running UK-wide since 1952.

[junedragon]

[Duuring]

A bunch of cells is not a baby.

[Archduke Sven]

A bunch of cells is not a baby.

goodluck explaining that to people who still think that the retarded frog amoeba thats been "alive" for 3 weeks is god given and has a soul etc.

[StevenChilton]

A bunch of cells is not a baby.

Okay, well please tell us at exactly what week into the pregnancy you think those 'bunch of cells' become human. Also you're falling into the classic trap of dehumanising in order to justify killing, which has been done frequently throughout history (Australian Aboriginals, Jews, Yazidis, etc).

[Toffee]

Read my post about the WHO study.

[Edwin]

A bunch of cells is not a baby.

Okay, well please tell us at exactly what week into the pregnancy you think those 'bunch of cells' become human. Also you're falling into the classic trap of dehumanising in order to justify killing, which has been done frequently throughout history (Australian Aboriginals, Jews, Yazidis, etc).

My thoughts exactly. We're talking about a living organism here...

[StevenChilton]

Read my post about the WHO study.

What specifically about it?

[Toffee]

Read my post about the WHO study.

What specifically about it?

That countries with anti-abortion laws tend to have more unsafe abortions. It also states that these laws do nothing to lower the number of abortions.