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Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
« Reply #180 on: February 14, 2017, 04:35:50 pm »
But it isn't going to destroy the system. It's just going to cost some money.

You're probably the least qualified person on this thread to make such a bold statement. Do you honestly ever learn?

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« Reply #181 on: February 14, 2017, 05:08:10 pm »
Money that simply isn't there.
Gotta disagree there. Its just not being spent properly. The current German administration is doing the so called "Schwarze Null", meaning they are trying to spent the least possible amount of money, wich not only hurts immigration but also infrastructure and such.
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Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
« Reply #182 on: February 14, 2017, 05:24:35 pm »
But it isn't going to destroy the system. It's just going to cost some money.

You're probably the least qualified person on this thread to make such a bold statement. Do you honestly ever learn?

Explain to me how it's going to 'destroy' the system.

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« Reply #183 on: February 14, 2017, 05:41:02 pm »

Yes, enjoy your comedy as Europe destroys itself with dindu nuffin arabs protected by the left and the MSM  but yes, lecture us on how we are sheep for wanting to control who comes into our country and actually trying to address the problem that is Radical Islamic Terrorism and its implications

funny you bring that up. Somehow terrorism gets all the attention nowadays. Stll it's no more or less a factual problem than it was 10 years ago - when immigration wasn't an item, an defense budget cuts were massively happening throughout Europe.

The anti-terrorism campaign and the 'radical islam problem' is no more than fearmongering. Terrorism ahsn't ever, is currently not and probably won't ever be an actual threat to the stability of Western countries. I'll start worrying when something like that kills more people than traffic accidents.

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This may be one of the most cucked things I've ever seen. I legitimately feel bad for you and hope that you continue to live in peaceful blissful ignorance for the rest of your life. I sincerely hope that this was a bait for the sake of all Europe

Please provide actual arguments as to why I am so horribly wrong like you suggest. Sure the point of traffic accidents is an exaggeration (and is a loose interpretation of Israel's defence minister during the second intifada) but my point still stands.
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Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
« Reply #184 on: February 14, 2017, 05:43:01 pm »
Did I imply it was going to "destroy the system"? No, I believe the system will suffer greatly for years to come. I think the cost will be much more severe than "some money" looking at the long term situation.

Maybe you should reel it in a bit, I was reminding you that your predictions and hindsight have never been correct.

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Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
« Reply #185 on: February 14, 2017, 07:06:57 pm »
Terrorism is on a all-time-low in Europe, though. Political terrorism was more active and and more deadly in the seventies and eighties. Can immigration or radical islam lead to problems that we must overcome? Yeah, sure. But it isn't going to destroy the system. It's just going to cost some money.

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Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
« Reply #186 on: February 14, 2017, 07:18:08 pm »
https://qz.com/558597/charted-terror-attacks-in-western-europe-from-the-1970s-to-now/

I'm gonna try and steer the discussion back to the elections: Several polls were published in the last few days and all of them show a steep decline of the PVV, of 5 to 7 seats. One poll puts them already behind the Conservative Liberals. This is the biggest loss or gain for any party since maybe as much as a year. Not really sure what caused it, though.

PVV and VVD made a deal that both of them would not go to one of the biggest TV-debates of the campaign (and the first) if more then four parties were invited. The TV-channel did invite another party (The Greens) and so they refused to come. The debate was cancelled, but after some fierce public reaction it is now back on, with the five parties: The Christian-Democrats, the Social-Liberals, the Greens, the Social-democrats and the Socialists. A time for the Christian-Democrats and Social-Liberals to sweep up some right-wing votes and an opportunity for one of the left-wing parties to get ahead.
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« Reply #187 on: February 14, 2017, 07:21:06 pm »
I also read that your current PM won't work with Wilders. True?

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Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
« Reply #188 on: February 14, 2017, 07:27:13 pm »
Isnt the whole issue that most of us have the we fear that the terrorism attack will go up if we dont do anything?
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Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
« Reply #189 on: February 14, 2017, 07:34:39 pm »
I also read that your current PM won't work with Wilders. True?

He made a statement that, roughly translated, he has zero expectation of such a coalition working. Which some people felt was ambigious because this meant he would consider the possibility. The entire campaign strategy of his party is

1. Become more populist to appeal to Wilder-voters
2. Tell the rest that you are the only alternative and try to gain strategic voting (aka voting for them to make sure the PVV doesn't become the biggest). There has been some critique on this strategy from political scientists because there isn't really any need for strategic voting in our system. There are no spoiled votes in our PR-system and no party can win a majority in parliament.

Will Rutte eventually do form a coalition with Wilders? Who knows. It certainly isn't impossible. Based on current polls, the alternative would be a coalition of at least 5 parties and maybe even six.
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Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
« Reply #190 on: February 14, 2017, 07:41:54 pm »
Prime Minister Rutte and the right wing Liberals are facing a serious credibility issue, which other parties could exploit. Rutte already promised everyone that they would save a 1000 euros a year total through reducing taxes, costs, whatever. That was 2012 and none of this actually happened, which people certainly haven't forgotten. And now the scandal with the Teevendeal goes on again. He has lost a lot of credibility. Plus, his budget cuts have seriously damaged the healthcare sector, which might not be taken lightly by some.

Wilders and his PVV on the other hand is losing momentum. Trump's succes uplifted him but that storm of emotions has subsided. I happen to have known some people that were seriously considering voting for him and funnily enough all of them said that they were shunned away by his very agressive behaviour against Islam. It's one thing to want to close borders, but another to want to shut down Mosques and ban the selling of the Quran. Of course, their opinions are hardly representative for the general public that are considering him, but it's interesting to note. Plus, Wilders photoshopped a rival politician into a Pro-Islam protest photo and shared it as if it was fact. I don't think people will appreciate that kind of dishonesty and mud-flinging. But we'll see.

As for the left, the collapse of the social democrats has opened a vacuum. I don't think they'll be able to recover in time. Their post as the biggest left wing party might be taken by the Greens, which are doing extremely well in the polls the last few months. The Socialists are considered too polite and weak and the Social-Liberals are still considered too right wing for most pure leftist voters. Or we get a splintered left wing, that is also very much a possibility.
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Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
« Reply #191 on: February 14, 2017, 08:16:30 pm »
I was more in fear of the Portuguese football fans burning down the city then I was of any of the Muslims selling key-chains while I was in France.

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« Reply #192 on: February 14, 2017, 08:38:59 pm »
My experience was the complete opposite - we cancel out :D

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Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
« Reply #193 on: February 14, 2017, 08:53:56 pm »
It pretty much all comes down where you were in France.
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Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
« Reply #194 on: February 14, 2017, 09:29:21 pm »
The Eiffel Tower. So many illegal buskers, aggressively pushing wares on any timid looking English family. We noticed, though, that the closer we got to soldiers, the less the buskers pushed. A pair of them grabbed me and fast talked their way into (basically) mugging my dad.
Apart from that, the sheer amount of soldiers on the streets made us feel fairly safe.

1x NA Duel- Runner up |  3x 3v3- 3rd place (Seadderol Deflatriots) (Ez Money) (71st Guards + Russian) | 1x Duel League- 4th place | 1x Regimental Groupfighting- 1st place (71st)  l  1x 2v2- 3rd Place (Vortex/Theodin) | TNWL Season 2 - 1st Place l 1x 2v2- 1st Place (Theodin/Elite) l 2x NANWL-
 71st, Nr8(LG) l 1x 4v4- 1st Place (RussianFury, Waste, NickCole, Theodin) l 1x Cav Joust- 2nd Place l 1x 4v4-
 3rd Place (Theodin, AsianP, Sleek, Godfried, Lurvy) l 1x 5v5 - 1st Place (RussianFury, Yoshie, Krastinov, Jorge, Theodin - Thanos and his children)