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Title: The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on January 29, 2017, 05:40:36 pm
So, as we already have US Politics and UK Politics threads, and 90% of off-topic activity is on politics anyway, we might as well make this one about the upcoming elections.

March 15 - Dutch General Election. Polling puts Wilders at a win, but followed by current Prime Minister Rutte's (right-wing) Liberals. After that are pretty much all parties polling at anything between 15 to 5 seats, followed by a scatting of new parties wanting to get into parliament. It sure is a mess, and nobody really knows what we'll be waking up to on march the 16th.

April 23 - French Presidentiel Elections. Le Pen. Yeah, this needs no introduction.

11 & 18 June - French parliamentary elections

24 September 2017 - German Federal Elections. To Merkel, or not to Merkel?



I wonder, how many fellow Dutchmen or French and German members of our forum are eligable to vote?



And of course, no political thread is complete without a contest:

One free Custom Title for the period of a week for the non-Dutchman who can accurately guess the number of parties that will be on the Dutch ballot.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: BabyJesus on January 29, 2017, 06:12:30 pm
Is Le Pen actually winning in France?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on January 29, 2017, 06:30:35 pm
Le Pen is extremely likely to gain entry into the second round. What happens next is the real question.

From another thread:

What's the main Dutch centre-right party? I assume it's not Wilders.

Now, it's the VVD, commonly known as the Liberals in english texts which is slighty deceiving. They're a centre-right party, which has more progressive wing, but also a good deal of non-religious conservatives. Between 1977 and 2010, the main centre-right was occupied by the CDA, the Christian-Democrats, who have declined into medium-size. They might make a slight gain in the election.

On the centre-left, I'd argue that we might end up with having no main centre-left party after the election.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on January 29, 2017, 06:48:36 pm
Though since CDA abandoned their religious main course, they became centre-left.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Brave Sir Charge on January 29, 2017, 06:55:42 pm
I dont know what i'll be voting, I'd like to see defence getting more funding though.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on January 29, 2017, 08:02:00 pm
You are Dutch, I assume?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on January 29, 2017, 08:16:08 pm
Though since CDA abandoned their religious main course, they became centre-left.

They're not centre-left. They've been floating around the economical middle for a while now, but as far as social-cultural items go, they're clearly on the right and Buma (their leader) has been taking them on an economical-right-course as well to prepare for the D66-CDA-VVD coalition we are very likely to get.

I dont know what i'll be voting, I'd like to see defence getting more funding though.

Pretty much everybody agrees on that, though.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on January 29, 2017, 08:36:26 pm
Wilders will win the most seats, no chance of becoming PM though. End result most likely a weak, grand coalition of the left and right headed by Rutte. Or maybe he'll resign post-election and allow a new leader/PM to take over to make coalition negotiations easier. Could be another Dutch election later this year if nobody can form a government which seems like a possible outcome too.

Le Pen? Dunno, depends if the French polls are as wrong as the British and American ones. They might well be, so wouldn't want to make a prediction on that.

As for Germany I think it will have to be a grand coalition between the CDU and SPD again. Can't really see many other options due to rise of AfD and Merkel's declining popularity. Still a while to go though.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on January 29, 2017, 08:41:18 pm
I don't expect much change in Germany, even with the AfD rising.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Brave Sir Charge on January 29, 2017, 08:45:49 pm
You are Dutch, I assume?
Yes :P. All (read: Most) got some valid points. The only politician i somewhat like is Alexander Pechtold.
While writing this i did a test, apparantly D66 and PvdA came up.
I dunno, it feels (and probably is) chosing the lesser evil.

At the end of the day, I'm just a Greenkeeper and they dont have opinions :P
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on January 29, 2017, 09:27:21 pm
As long as you do vote.  :P

After all, we even have a party for non-voters this year  ::)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on January 30, 2017, 04:54:47 am
Don't we already have a general politics thread?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on January 30, 2017, 11:20:16 am
Maybe. It's probably on the 2nd page, or in other words, on the other side of the galaxy.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on January 30, 2017, 12:45:03 pm
I think Pim Fortuyn was the best leader the Netherlands never had-great shame he was assassinated he was better than Wilders. If I were Dutch I'd vote for Baudet.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Gluk the Walrus on January 30, 2017, 01:28:46 pm
The wave of right-wing populism in the world as of late is absolutely disgusting.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: BlueMoon_IT on January 30, 2017, 02:28:43 pm
The wave of right-wing populism in the world as of late is absolutely disgusting.
Fuck off Che lover
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on January 30, 2017, 03:36:59 pm
I think Pim Fortuyn was the best leader the Netherlands never had-great shame he was assassinated he was better than Wilders. If I were Dutch I'd vote for Baudet.

His plans were just as impssible to achieve as Wilder's. And he wasn't a leader. He was just shouting loud enough that the country could hear him, and the people were scared enough to follow him. That's not leadership, that's oppertunism.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on January 30, 2017, 03:37:38 pm
The wave of right-wing populism in the world as of late is absolutely disgusting.
It's a perfectly natural response to the perceived rise of the extreme social and economic left. (So, you)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on January 30, 2017, 04:44:00 pm
I really hope Merkel will be elected another time, there is no good alternative.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Gluk the Walrus on January 30, 2017, 04:59:48 pm
Remember to support your local ANTIFA group everyone.

note: i deleted the previous comment here because i thought it was kind of dumb.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on January 30, 2017, 05:05:42 pm
Maybe if you started using rational thought in response to knee jerk emotional reaction you'd have more success bringing people to your cause, lol.
The rise of right wing populism is due to the rise of the social democratic left, and it's perceived power in society.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on January 30, 2017, 05:15:40 pm
I wonder why Merkel hates Germany so much
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Gluk the Walrus on January 30, 2017, 05:17:19 pm
Maybe if you started using rational thought in response to knee jerk emotional reaction you'd have more success bringing people to your cause, lol.
The rise of right wing populism is due to the rise of the social democratic left, and it's perceived power in society.
In my eyes, the rise of right wing populism is based on xenophobia, bigotry and racism. My response is not really a knee jerk reaction, its literally trump in the US, UKIP and others with Brexit and now other european nations. The central theme seems to be to keep out foreigners...

You can say that it's a response to the left and in some ways that may be true but the more likely case is that some folks became scared of people who look different.

I wonder why Merkel hates Germany so much
Maybe because Germany hates Germany.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on January 30, 2017, 06:26:12 pm
I think it's because of the (mostly) misattributed claims of racism, xenophobia, etc. that has contributed to the rise of the alt-right. Insult and ridicule an ideology for not being what you want it to be for long enough and soon it becomes more extreme, solely because you silence it.
But as we're proving, it's a fairly subjective topic
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on January 30, 2017, 11:13:57 pm
Just out of question Theodin, who are you hoping to win the conservative leadership race?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on January 30, 2017, 11:57:46 pm
Just out of question Theodin, who are you hoping to win the conservative leadership race?
I want Harper to raise from the dead and run again :P No honestly I have no clue. I haven't looked into it much, when the race narrows i'll look more closely. Perhaps someone like Michael Chong or Lisa Rait, someone who can grab some of the social vote. While i'm not socially left, I don't think a Conservative can win without being at least socially centre, so as long as whoever wins is socially centre and economically right i'll support them. Meaning i'm not enjoying O'Leary being the favorite, as it's clear he's not a very centrist person. But then again, as I said, i'm not really following it very closely.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cara on January 31, 2017, 12:47:30 am
Not sure there is still a lot of people eligible to vote here  :D

For France, briefly, it will be interesting. Le Pen (despite multiple judicial affairs) will pass the first round, but i'm not that worried, it will be like in 2002 with her father. What is interesting is there is an explosion of the tradtionnal parties : Socialists are weakeaned and heavily divided, Right is showing unity but it's just for the show and the "tchatcher-like" Fillon candidacy is very fragile. As far I see, there is a strong chance that Macron, liberal independant will pass.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Rutger Müller on January 31, 2017, 03:57:22 am
I really hope Merkel will be elected another time, there is no good alternative.
....there is an alternative my freund
Spoiler
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: William on January 31, 2017, 04:02:31 am
I really hope Merkel will be elected another time, there is no good alternative.
....there is an alternative my freund
Spoiler
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Praise kek
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on January 31, 2017, 12:40:22 pm
Not sure there is still a lot of people eligible to vote here  :D

For France, briefly, it will be interesting. Le Pen (despite multiple judicial affairs) will pass the first round, but i'm not that worried, it will be like in 2002 with her father. What is interesting is there is an explosion of the tradtionnal parties : Socialists are weakeaned and heavily divided, Right is showing unity but it's just for the show and the "tchatcher-like" Fillon candidacy is very fragile. As far I see, there is a strong chance that Macron, liberal independant will pass.

Lol, keep your grandmothers hidden Macron is going to be the next President of France.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on January 31, 2017, 01:27:26 pm
I really hope Merkel will be elected another time, there is no good alternative.
....there is an alternative my freund
Spoiler
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Yeah no.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on January 31, 2017, 06:13:08 pm
It is the only alternative.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: BlueMoon_IT on January 31, 2017, 06:19:12 pm
It is the only alternative.
L I T E R A L L Y
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on February 01, 2017, 12:32:20 am
I think Pim Fortuyn was the best leader the Netherlands never had-great shame he was assassinated he was better than Wilders. If I were Dutch I'd vote for Baudet.

Baudet? What? Why?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Nero_ on February 01, 2017, 09:22:57 am
#stempvv
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on February 01, 2017, 12:35:18 pm
I think Pim Fortuyn was the best leader the Netherlands never had-great shame he was assassinated he was better than Wilders. If I were Dutch I'd vote for Baudet.

Baudet? What? Why?

Because he's a traditional conservative rather than a radical populist. He strikes me as very able and he also has an intellectual foundation; he's not simple-minded like Trump just spewing out random slogans. I also read his book 'The Significance of Borders' (mainly because it was recommended by Roger Scruton) and I agreed with most of it.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Brave Sir Charge on February 01, 2017, 07:37:44 pm
I actually had to google baudet, lel.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on February 01, 2017, 09:40:36 pm
I think Pim Fortuyn was the best leader the Netherlands never had-great shame he was assassinated he was better than Wilders. If I were Dutch I'd vote for Baudet.

Baudet? What? Why?
Everyone that's anti EU is the best.

Btw (if anyone cares) I might run as a muncipial candidate for the liberals in the next Swedish election.
Mainly because my muncipality have been fucked by Socialdemocrats for ages, highest tax rates in all of Sweden yay.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Siwi on February 01, 2017, 10:51:48 pm
The wave of right-wing populism in the world as of late is absolutely disgusting.
Says the communist lol
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Gluk the Walrus on February 01, 2017, 11:43:47 pm
I think Pim Fortuyn was the best leader the Netherlands never had-great shame he was assassinated he was better than Wilders. If I were Dutch I'd vote for Baudet.

Baudet? What? Why?
Everyone that's anti EU is the best.

Btw (if anyone cares) I might run as a muncipial candidate for the liberals in the next Swedish election.
Mainly because my muncipality have been fucked by Socialdemocrats for ages, highest tax rates in all of Sweden yay.
gross...liberals...
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on February 02, 2017, 11:56:24 am
I find it hard to understand that someone from Sweden thinks leaving the EU is a good idea.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Fixou on February 02, 2017, 12:03:58 pm
Not sure there is still a lot of people eligible to vote here  :D

For France, briefly, it will be interesting. Le Pen (despite multiple judicial affairs) will pass the first round, but i'm not that worried, it will be like in 2002 with her father. What is interesting is there is an explosion of the tradtionnal parties : Socialists are weakeaned and heavily divided, Right is showing unity but it's just for the show and the "tchatcher-like" Fillon candidacy is very fragile. As far I see, there is a strong chance that Macron, liberal independant will pass.
Ye Le Pen will pass the first round of course  ::) not the second.
The socialist are really divided i dont think they are going to win.
The right with fillion like you said is very fragile with his problem of justice etc...
Macron can pass yes, maybe i'm worried about his programm about the enterprise and co  :-\
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Gi on February 02, 2017, 12:52:45 pm
Maybe if you started using rational thought in response to knee jerk emotional reaction you'd have more success bringing people to your cause, lol.
The rise of right wing populism is due to the rise of the social democratic left, and it's perceived power in society.
In my eyes, the rise of right wing populism is based on xenophobia, bigotry and racism. My response is not really a knee jerk reaction, its literally trump in the US, UKIP and others with Brexit and now other european nations. The central theme seems to be to keep out foreigners...

You can say that it's a response to the left and in some ways that may be true but the more likely case is that some folks became scared of people who look different.

I wonder why Merkel hates Germany so much
Maybe because Germany hates Germany.
It almost seems too easy for leftists to blame racism and bigotry to detract from their own failings.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Dark_Knight on February 02, 2017, 01:26:00 pm
no borders no problems  ;D
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Gluk the Walrus on February 02, 2017, 02:02:06 pm
Maybe if you started using rational thought in response to knee jerk emotional reaction you'd have more success bringing people to your cause, lol.
The rise of right wing populism is due to the rise of the social democratic left, and it's perceived power in society.
In my eyes, the rise of right wing populism is based on xenophobia, bigotry and racism. My response is not really a knee jerk reaction, its literally trump in the US, UKIP and others with Brexit and now other european nations. The central theme seems to be to keep out foreigners...

You can say that it's a response to the left and in some ways that may be true but the more likely case is that some folks became scared of people who look different.

I wonder why Merkel hates Germany so much
Maybe because Germany hates Germany.
It almost seems too easy for leftists to blame racism and bigotry to detract from their own failings.
Whose failings exactly? Mine? That of the neo-liberal establishment before trump? SJWs? I'm not a neo-liberal and i don't really identify much with the cause of identity politics (ie: SJWs).
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 02, 2017, 02:05:39 pm
In my eyes, the rise of right wing populism is based on xenophobia, bigotry and racism. My response is not really a knee jerk reaction, its literally trump in the US, UKIP and others with Brexit and now other european nations. The central theme seems to be to keep out foreigners...

You can say that it's a response to the left and in some ways that may be true but the more likely case is that some folks became scared of people who look different.

I think global events have shifted people's political views, not that people just woke up one day thinking "I feel like being a racist today!" ;)

Ironically it's the liberal governments that started the wars that set all the terrorism in motion, and said terrorism helped make more centralist voters lean right. Checkmate, liberals.

Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: joer5835 on February 02, 2017, 03:13:55 pm
The current political environement and the upcoming elections in my country and some others have just shown how incredibly divided we all are. If one shows support for the left they are made out for communist, SJW or angsty teenager. If one shows support for the right, they are made out to be a racist, bigot and douchebag. Our entire society has now boiled down to an 'us vs them' mentality. And both the left and right are very much guilty of this. It's gonna be an interesting election year, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on February 02, 2017, 03:36:23 pm
I don't really agree with that notion. There has always been a 'left=commies' and 'right=racist' mentality, which leads to the 'us-versus-them' feeling in politics, but this is relatively on a pretty harmless scale. Politics will always divide us and it isn't, and shouldn't, anything to worry about.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on February 02, 2017, 04:27:28 pm
I remember there were bombings and kidnappings and shootings happening, just 40 years ago in Germany, because of Political "left vs. right" shit.
So, I am guessing it has calmed down a lot since then.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on February 02, 2017, 04:51:07 pm
I remember there were bombings and kidnappings and shootings happening, just 40 years ago in Germany, because of Political "left vs. right" shit.
So, I am guessing it has calmed down a lot since then.

Eh, how old are you?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on February 02, 2017, 05:38:15 pm
Maybe if you started using rational thought in response to knee jerk emotional reaction you'd have more success bringing people to your cause, lol.
The rise of right wing populism is due to the rise of the social democratic left, and it's perceived power in society.
In my eyes, the rise of right wing populism is based on xenophobia, bigotry and racism. My response is not really a knee jerk reaction, its literally trump in the US, UKIP and others with Brexit and now other european nations. The central theme seems to be to keep out foreigners...

You can say that it's a response to the left and in some ways that may be true but the more likely case is that some folks became scared of people who look different.

I wonder why Merkel hates Germany so much
Maybe because Germany hates Germany.
It almost seems too easy for leftists to blame racism and bigotry to detract from their own failings.
Whose failings exactly? Mine? That of the neo-liberal establishment before trump? SJWs? I'm not a neo-liberal and i don't really identify much with the cause of identity politics (ie: SJWs).

Hold on there, you just activated my trap card, "Check yourself before you rek yourself". When an opponent tries to distance themselves from identity politics, remind them that they blamed the rise of the populist right on racism and xenophobia, which is basically identity politics.

It also allows me to draw 2 more cards.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on February 02, 2017, 05:51:36 pm
I don't really agree with that notion. There has always been a 'left=commies' and 'right=racist' mentality, which leads to the 'us-versus-them' feeling in politics, but this is relatively on a pretty harmless scale. Politics will always divide us and it isn't, and shouldn't, anything to worry about.

Yeah it's only these divisions that have led to some of the bloodiest events in history. Nothing to worry about really.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on February 02, 2017, 06:00:19 pm
I remember there were bombings and kidnappings and shootings happening, just 40 years ago in Germany, because of Political "left vs. right" shit.
So, I am guessing it has calmed down a lot since then.

Eh, how old are you?

What role does that play?
All I am saying is, that the political environment is a lot calmer now than it used to be...
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on February 02, 2017, 06:02:27 pm
What a devastating trap card activation from Apoc
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on February 02, 2017, 06:03:44 pm
I remember there were bombings and kidnappings and shootings happening, just 40 years ago in Germany, because of Political "left vs. right" shit.
So, I am guessing it has calmed down a lot since then.

Eh, how old are you?

What role does that play?
All I am saying is, that the political environment is a lot calmer now than it used to be...

He was more referring to the "I remember" and "JUST 40 years ago"

Almost sounds like you were there or something.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on February 02, 2017, 06:10:03 pm
What a devastating trap card activation from Apoc

What's funny is the commies don't seem to understand the reason the worker's revolution isn't coming is because they are too busy calling the proletariat racist and xenophobic.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on February 02, 2017, 06:20:26 pm
I remember there were bombings and kidnappings and shootings happening, just 40 years ago in Germany, because of Political "left vs. right" shit.
So, I am guessing it has calmed down a lot since then.

Eh, how old are you?

What role does that play?
All I am saying is, that the political environment is a lot calmer now than it used to be...

You said you remembered stuff from 40 years ago, didn't think you were that old is all!

Latest polls coming out from Germany show big SPD gains against Merkel-not at all guaranteed she'll remain Chancellor.

Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on February 02, 2017, 06:24:06 pm
Except the SPD doesn't have a candidate yet. So they would vote for Merkel, even tho she is in a different Party.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Limith on February 02, 2017, 06:27:20 pm
Except the SPD doesn't have a candidate yet. So they would vote for Merkel, even tho she is in a different Party.
hasn't schulz become the official candidate recently? ???
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: joer5835 on February 02, 2017, 06:43:42 pm
Jesus christ, seems Fillon is close to having his own little scandal surrounding him. This is gonna be a rocky year.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on February 02, 2017, 07:45:17 pm
I find it hard to understand that someone from Sweden thinks leaving the EU is a good idea.

I was being ironic.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Gluk the Walrus on February 03, 2017, 02:45:33 pm
Spoiler
Maybe if you started using rational thought in response to knee jerk emotional reaction you'd have more success bringing people to your cause, lol.
The rise of right wing populism is due to the rise of the social democratic left, and it's perceived power in society.
In my eyes, the rise of right wing populism is based on xenophobia, bigotry and racism. My response is not really a knee jerk reaction, its literally trump in the US, UKIP and others with Brexit and now other european nations. The central theme seems to be to keep out foreigners...

You can say that it's a response to the left and in some ways that may be true but the more likely case is that some folks became scared of people who look different.

I wonder why Merkel hates Germany so much
Maybe because Germany hates Germany.
It almost seems too easy for leftists to blame racism and bigotry to detract from their own failings.
Whose failings exactly? Mine? That of the neo-liberal establishment before trump? SJWs? I'm not a neo-liberal and i don't really identify much with the cause of identity politics (ie: SJWs).
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Hold on there, you just activated my trap card, "Check yourself before you rek yourself". When an opponent tries to distance themselves from identity politics, remind them that they blamed the rise of the populist right on racism and xenophobia, which is basically identity politics.

It also allows me to draw 2 more cards.
What i mean by "not identifying much with the cause of identity politics" is that i see it as less important than classism. Even though others may disagree with feminists, the concept of 'privilege' still exists. To what extent it exists is what is debated. I'll use an example, there is a homeless white man and a rich black trans woman, who has more privilege? The rich black trans woman because classism is more important than your identity. This is what i mean when i say that i don't identify as much with identity politics.

However that being said, i'm not going to ignore identity politics when it is relevant, such as the case with Donald Trump. The Muslim ban is racist, it's targeting a specific group of people with a specific religion different to ours. The ban contradicts itself because saudi arabia is mysteriously nowhere to be found on the list (15 of the 19 planners of 9/11 were saudis) while Iraq which has never caused a single terror attack against the united states just so happens to be on the list.

This CNN article does a great job breaking down the stupidity of the Muslim ban,
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/29/us/refugee-terrorism-trnd/

If you don't feel like reading it, i'll post the relevent parts,

San Bernardino attacks
Farook, 28, was an American citizen born in Chicago. Malik, 29, was born and raised in Pakistan, and later lived in Saudi Arabia. (Pakistan is also not on the ban)

New York and New Jersey explosions
Rahimi was born in Afghanistan and first came to the United States in 1995. Rahimi became a naturalized US citizen in 2011. (Afghanistan is also not on the ban)

Orlando Pulse nightclub shooting
Omar Mateen, was an American citizen living in Fort Pierce, Florida. He was born in New York, and his parents were from Afghanistan.

Boston Marathon bombings
Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev were born in Kyrgyzstan to parents originally from war-torn Chechnya. (Kyrgyzstan is not on the ban)

World Trade Center, September 11, 2001
Of the 19 people who hijacked four planes on September 11, 2001, 15 of them hailed from Saudi Arabia. Two were from the United Arab Emirates, one was from Egypt, and one was from Lebanon.
(none of these countries are on the ban)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on February 03, 2017, 04:58:42 pm
Spoiler
Maybe if you started using rational thought in response to knee jerk emotional reaction you'd have more success bringing people to your cause, lol.
The rise of right wing populism is due to the rise of the social democratic left, and it's perceived power in society.
In my eyes, the rise of right wing populism is based on xenophobia, bigotry and racism. My response is not really a knee jerk reaction, its literally trump in the US, UKIP and others with Brexit and now other european nations. The central theme seems to be to keep out foreigners...

You can say that it's a response to the left and in some ways that may be true but the more likely case is that some folks became scared of people who look different.

I wonder why Merkel hates Germany so much
Maybe because Germany hates Germany.
It almost seems too easy for leftists to blame racism and bigotry to detract from their own failings.
Whose failings exactly? Mine? That of the neo-liberal establishment before trump? SJWs? I'm not a neo-liberal and i don't really identify much with the cause of identity politics (ie: SJWs).
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Hold on there, you just activated my trap card, "Check yourself before you rek yourself". When an opponent tries to distance themselves from identity politics, remind them that they blamed the rise of the populist right on racism and xenophobia, which is basically identity politics.

It also allows me to draw 2 more cards.
What i mean by "not identifying much with the cause of identity politics" is that i see it as less important than classism. Even though others may disagree with feminists, the concept of 'privilege' still exists. To what extent it exists is what is debated. I'll use an example, there is a homeless white man and a rich black trans woman, who has more privilege? The rich black trans woman because classism is more important than your identity. This is what i mean when i say that i don't identify as much with identity politics.

However that being said, i'm not going to ignore identity politics when it is relevant, such as the case with Donald Trump. The Muslim ban is racist, it's targeting a specific group of people with a specific religion different to ours. The ban contradicts itself because saudi arabia is mysteriously nowhere to be found on the list (15 of the 19 planners of 9/11 were saudis) while Iraq which has never caused a single terror attack against the united states just so happens to be on the list.

You could've ended it after your first paragraph and I would have been more or less like "Fair Enough", even though you never explained why everyone (especially the working class you communists love) suddenly decided to be xenophobic and racist. But then ya fucked up.

Your first mistake is CNN

Your second mistake is that Islam is not a race, therefore it literally cannot be racist. For example, if I were to found a Death Cult in which we worshipped Shia Labeouf and partook in Human Sacrifices, and our religion was subsequently banned from the United States, it wouldn't be racist as we would be a religion not a race. I'm guessing when you say Muslim you mean Arabs, but referring to Arabs as Muslims is far from politically correct to the point it could actually be racist, as you are saying that all Arabs are Muslim, and nobody else besides Arabs can be muslim.

Your third mistake is saying that it is a Muslim Ban, which it's not. Referring to it as a Muslim ban is purposefully misleading in a number of ways. The first of which, you make it sound like Islam itself is banned in the United States, which it is definitely not. Secondly, it is a ban on a number of countries identified by the Obama Administration as sources of terror. My guess is that the list was compiled by data from Terror attacks around the world, and not just America, so the nationality of terrorists who have committed terror attacks on American soil might not necessarily reflect the nationality of a majority of terrorists worldwide. But of course, I know the left likes to shy away from statistics and data when it comes to Terrorism.

Your last mistake is bringing up the nationalities of the terrorists from countries we haven't banned, and I am still not entirely sure why the hell you would do that. Are you trying to argue that we should ban more countries? Bringing them up is literally an argument to ban MORE countries. It is definitely not an argument against the ban. You call it the ban contradicting itself, I call it Trump being soft. It shocks me that you wanted him to be tougher.

Conclusion: Even "when relevant", Identity Politics is still stupid.

I will then play two cards face down and end my turn.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on February 03, 2017, 05:53:47 pm
You wanna actually play Yugi-oh or something
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Gluk the Walrus on February 03, 2017, 05:57:41 pm
Spoiler
Maybe if you started using rational thought in response to knee jerk emotional reaction you'd have more success bringing people to your cause, lol.
The rise of right wing populism is due to the rise of the social democratic left, and it's perceived power in society.
In my eyes, the rise of right wing populism is based on xenophobia, bigotry and racism. My response is not really a knee jerk reaction, its literally trump in the US, UKIP and others with Brexit and now other european nations. The central theme seems to be to keep out foreigners...

You can say that it's a response to the left and in some ways that may be true but the more likely case is that some folks became scared of people who look different.

I wonder why Merkel hates Germany so much
Maybe because Germany hates Germany.
It almost seems too easy for leftists to blame racism and bigotry to detract from their own failings.
Whose failings exactly? Mine? That of the neo-liberal establishment before trump? SJWs? I'm not a neo-liberal and i don't really identify much with the cause of identity politics (ie: SJWs).
[close]

Hold on there, you just activated my trap card, "Check yourself before you rek yourself". When an opponent tries to distance themselves from identity politics, remind them that they blamed the rise of the populist right on racism and xenophobia, which is basically identity politics.

It also allows me to draw 2 more cards.
What i mean by "not identifying much with the cause of identity politics" is that i see it as less important than classism. Even though others may disagree with feminists, the concept of 'privilege' still exists. To what extent it exists is what is debated. I'll use an example, there is a homeless white man and a rich black trans woman, who has more privilege? The rich black trans woman because classism is more important than your identity. This is what i mean when i say that i don't identify as much with identity politics.

However that being said, i'm not going to ignore identity politics when it is relevant, such as the case with Donald Trump. The Muslim ban is racist, it's targeting a specific group of people with a specific religion different to ours. The ban contradicts itself because saudi arabia is mysteriously nowhere to be found on the list (15 of the 19 planners of 9/11 were saudis) while Iraq which has never caused a single terror attack against the united states just so happens to be on the list.

You could've ended it after your first paragraph and I would have been more or less like "Fair Enough", even though you never explained why everyone (especially the working class you communists love) suddenly decided to be xenophobic and racist. But then ya fucked up.

Your first mistake is CNN

Your second mistake is that Islam is not a race, therefore it literally cannot be racist. For example, if I were to found a Death Cult in which we worshipped Shia Labeouf and partook in Human Sacrifices, and our religion was subsequently banned from the United States, it wouldn't be racist as we would be a religion not a race. I'm guessing when you say Muslim you mean Arabs, but referring to Arabs as Muslims is far from politically correct to the point it could actually be racist, as you are saying that all Arabs are Muslim, and nobody else besides Arabs can be muslim.

Your third mistake is saying that it is a Muslim Ban, which it's not. Referring to it as a Muslim ban is purposefully misleading in a number of ways. The first of which, you make it sound like Islam itself is banned in the United States, which it is definitely not. Secondly, it is a ban on a number of countries identified by the Obama Administration as sources of terror. My guess is that the list was compiled by data from Terror attacks around the world, and not just America, so the nationality of terrorists who have committed terror attacks on American soil might not necessarily reflect the nationality of a majority of terrorists worldwide. But of course, I know the left likes to shy away from statistics and data when it comes to Terrorism.

Your last mistake is bringing up the nationalities of the terrorists from countries we haven't banned, and I am still not entirely sure why the hell you would do that. Are you trying to argue that we should ban more countries? Bringing them up is literally an argument to ban MORE countries. It is definitely not an argument against the ban. You call it the ban contradicting itself, I call it Trump being soft. It shocks me that you wanted him to be tougher.

Conclusion: Even "when relevant", Identity Politics is still stupid.

I will then play two cards face down and end my turn.
I'm attacking you directly for 500 lifepoints.

Spoiler
You could've ended it after your first paragraph and I would have been more or less like "Fair Enough", even though you never explained why everyone (especially the working class you communists love) suddenly decided to be xenophobic and racist. But then ya fucked up.
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I know this isn't super relevent to our discussion but it's worth noting that a majority of the working class did not vote for trump. 241 million people can vote. Cut out 1 million for the bougie folks, trump got about 62 million votes. That's about 38%. I know my math is off a bit but that's a general area of the percentage.

Spoiler
Your first mistake is CNN
[close]
wot

Spoiler
Your second mistake is that Islam is not a race, therefore it literally cannot be racist. For example, if I were to found a Death Cult in which we worshipped Shia Labeouf and partook in Human Sacrifices, and our religion was subsequently banned from the United States, it wouldn't be racist as we would be a religion not a race. I'm guessing when you say Muslim you mean Arabs, but referring to Arabs as Muslims is far from politically correct to the point it could actually be racist, as you are saying that all Arabs are Muslim, and nobody else besides Arabs can be muslim.
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I get that Islam is not a race...however the predominate population within the banned countries are Arab Muslims. It is racist because it is targeting people of a particular race that just so happens to have their own dominate religion. So he's not JUST racist, he's also Islamophobic and Xenophobic. I hate having to throw these words around because i don't think that form of disourse is particularly effective but in the case of Trump where is so blatant, so obvious, it's honestly disgusting, I make the exception because I genuinely believe it's true.

Spoiler
Your third mistake is saying that it is a Muslim Ban, which it's not. Referring to it as a Muslim ban is purposefully misleading in a number of ways. The first of which, you make it sound like Islam itself is banned in the United States, which it is definitely not. Secondly, it is a ban on a number of countries identified by the Obama Administration as sources of terror. My guess is that the list was compiled by data from Terror attacks around the world, and not just America, so the nationality of terrorists who have committed terror attacks on American soil might not necessarily reflect the nationality of a majority of terrorists worldwide. But of course, I know the left likes to shy away from statistics and data when it comes to Terrorism.
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I call it a Muslim ban because it's mostly Arab Muslims who are being banned...maybe it's misleading, but whatever. Okay, so it's about terror statistics then...what exactly are we scared of? A terror attack that we have no evidence will happen? These "terror" attacks are mostly happening on their own soil because they are in active civil wars which we are at least partially responsible for.

Spoiler
Your last mistake is bringing up the nationalities of the terrorists from countries we haven't banned, and I am still not entirely sure why the hell you would do that. Are you trying to argue that we should ban more countries? Bringing them up is literally an argument to ban MORE countries. It is definitely not an argument against the ban. You call it the ban contradicting itself, I call it Trump being soft. It shocks me that you wanted him to be tougher.
[close]
The point of the ban is to protect AMERICANS. So it's relevant to bring up evidence that suggest certain people of certain nationalities may be more harmful than others, hints the nationalities of prior attacks. If we were to go by that logic, saudi arabia seems very unfriendly towards americans and should really be at the top of trump's list. I am in no way advocating a larger ban or any ban at all, i'm simply pointing out that this ban is pointless...it serves no purpose if he cannot provide any evidence that the nations or people within the nations that he banned had any reason to attack us which he cannot provide.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: BabyJesus on February 03, 2017, 06:06:54 pm
The Muslim ban was poorly planned and will be ineffective
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Ted on February 03, 2017, 07:55:49 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reuJ8yVCgSM
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Ted on February 03, 2017, 08:00:17 pm
Sorry for the doublepost, but it's just great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sq-VPDtNK4
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 03, 2017, 08:45:40 pm
Sorry for the doublepost, but it's just great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sq-VPDtNK4

Video game sucks, they don't even mention destroying Europe with two wars  >:(
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Brave Sir Charge on February 03, 2017, 09:57:22 pm
Sorry for the doublepost, but it's just great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sq-VPDtNK4
Meh.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on February 03, 2017, 10:34:16 pm
Six weeks to the election and still the polls show little change. Every now and again a party drops one or two seats and another raises, but nothing major. PVV shows a declining line but is still leading.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cara on February 04, 2017, 10:16:39 am
God again american politics even here  ::)

For us, the right favorite is bursting into flames, due to his english wife, it's kinda funny
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on February 04, 2017, 12:55:02 pm
Why do French Elections always seem to be solely about personal issues?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on February 04, 2017, 02:51:12 pm
Spoiler
Maybe if you started using rational thought in response to knee jerk emotional reaction you'd have more success bringing people to your cause, lol.
The rise of right wing populism is due to the rise of the social democratic left, and it's perceived power in society.
In my eyes, the rise of right wing populism is based on xenophobia, bigotry and racism. My response is not really a knee jerk reaction, its literally trump in the US, UKIP and others with Brexit and now other european nations. The central theme seems to be to keep out foreigners...

You can say that it's a response to the left and in some ways that may be true but the more likely case is that some folks became scared of people who look different.

I wonder why Merkel hates Germany so much
Maybe because Germany hates Germany.
It almost seems too easy for leftists to blame racism and bigotry to detract from their own failings.
Whose failings exactly? Mine? That of the neo-liberal establishment before trump? SJWs? I'm not a neo-liberal and i don't really identify much with the cause of identity politics (ie: SJWs).
[close]

Hold on there, you just activated my trap card, "Check yourself before you rek yourself". When an opponent tries to distance themselves from identity politics, remind them that they blamed the rise of the populist right on racism and xenophobia, which is basically identity politics.

It also allows me to draw 2 more cards.
What i mean by "not identifying much with the cause of identity politics" is that i see it as less important than classism. Even though others may disagree with feminists, the concept of 'privilege' still exists. To what extent it exists is what is debated. I'll use an example, there is a homeless white man and a rich black trans woman, who has more privilege? The rich black trans woman because classism is more important than your identity. This is what i mean when i say that i don't identify as much with identity politics.

However that being said, i'm not going to ignore identity politics when it is relevant, such as the case with Donald Trump. The Muslim ban is racist, it's targeting a specific group of people with a specific religion different to ours. The ban contradicts itself because saudi arabia is mysteriously nowhere to be found on the list (15 of the 19 planners of 9/11 were saudis) while Iraq which has never caused a single terror attack against the united states just so happens to be on the list.

You could've ended it after your first paragraph and I would have been more or less like "Fair Enough", even though you never explained why everyone (especially the working class you communists love) suddenly decided to be xenophobic and racist. But then ya fucked up.

Your first mistake is CNN

Your second mistake is that Islam is not a race, therefore it literally cannot be racist. For example, if I were to found a Death Cult in which we worshipped Shia Labeouf and partook in Human Sacrifices, and our religion was subsequently banned from the United States, it wouldn't be racist as we would be a religion not a race. I'm guessing when you say Muslim you mean Arabs, but referring to Arabs as Muslims is far from politically correct to the point it could actually be racist, as you are saying that all Arabs are Muslim, and nobody else besides Arabs can be muslim.

Your third mistake is saying that it is a Muslim Ban, which it's not. Referring to it as a Muslim ban is purposefully misleading in a number of ways. The first of which, you make it sound like Islam itself is banned in the United States, which it is definitely not. Secondly, it is a ban on a number of countries identified by the Obama Administration as sources of terror. My guess is that the list was compiled by data from Terror attacks around the world, and not just America, so the nationality of terrorists who have committed terror attacks on American soil might not necessarily reflect the nationality of a majority of terrorists worldwide. But of course, I know the left likes to shy away from statistics and data when it comes to Terrorism.

Your last mistake is bringing up the nationalities of the terrorists from countries we haven't banned, and I am still not entirely sure why the hell you would do that. Are you trying to argue that we should ban more countries? Bringing them up is literally an argument to ban MORE countries. It is definitely not an argument against the ban. You call it the ban contradicting itself, I call it Trump being soft. It shocks me that you wanted him to be tougher.

Conclusion: Even "when relevant", Identity Politics is still stupid.

I will then play two cards face down and end my turn.

Spoiler
I'm attacking you directly for 500 lifepoints.

Spoiler
You could've ended it after your first paragraph and I would have been more or less like "Fair Enough", even though you never explained why everyone (especially the working class you communists love) suddenly decided to be xenophobic and racist. But then ya fucked up.
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I know this isn't super relevent to our discussion but it's worth noting that a majority of the working class did not vote for trump. 241 million people can vote. Cut out 1 million for the bougie folks, trump got about 62 million votes. That's about 38%. I know my math is off a bit but that's a general area of the percentage.

Spoiler
Your first mistake is CNN
[close]
wot

Spoiler
Your second mistake is that Islam is not a race, therefore it literally cannot be racist. For example, if I were to found a Death Cult in which we worshipped Shia Labeouf and partook in Human Sacrifices, and our religion was subsequently banned from the United States, it wouldn't be racist as we would be a religion not a race. I'm guessing when you say Muslim you mean Arabs, but referring to Arabs as Muslims is far from politically correct to the point it could actually be racist, as you are saying that all Arabs are Muslim, and nobody else besides Arabs can be muslim.
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I get that Islam is not a race...however the predominate population within the banned countries are Arab Muslims. It is racist because it is targeting people of a particular race that just so happens to have their own dominate religion. So he's not JUST racist, he's also Islamophobic and Xenophobic. I hate having to throw these words around because i don't think that form of disourse is particularly effective but in the case of Trump where is so blatant, so obvious, it's honestly disgusting, I make the exception because I genuinely believe it's true.

Spoiler
Your third mistake is saying that it is a Muslim Ban, which it's not. Referring to it as a Muslim ban is purposefully misleading in a number of ways. The first of which, you make it sound like Islam itself is banned in the United States, which it is definitely not. Secondly, it is a ban on a number of countries identified by the Obama Administration as sources of terror. My guess is that the list was compiled by data from Terror attacks around the world, and not just America, so the nationality of terrorists who have committed terror attacks on American soil might not necessarily reflect the nationality of a majority of terrorists worldwide. But of course, I know the left likes to shy away from statistics and data when it comes to Terrorism.
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I call it a Muslim ban because it's mostly Arab Muslims who are being banned...maybe it's misleading, but whatever. Okay, so it's about terror statistics then...what exactly are we scared of? A terror attack that we have no evidence will happen? These "terror" attacks are mostly happening on their own soil because they are in active civil wars which we are at least partially responsible for.

Spoiler
Your last mistake is bringing up the nationalities of the terrorists from countries we haven't banned, and I am still not entirely sure why the hell you would do that. Are you trying to argue that we should ban more countries? Bringing them up is literally an argument to ban MORE countries. It is definitely not an argument against the ban. You call it the ban contradicting itself, I call it Trump being soft. It shocks me that you wanted him to be tougher.
[close]
The point of the ban is to protect AMERICANS. So it's relevant to bring up evidence that suggest certain people of certain nationalities may be more harmful than others, hints the nationalities of prior attacks. If we were to go by that logic, saudi arabia seems very unfriendly towards americans and should really be at the top of trump's list. I am in no way advocating a larger ban or any ban at all, i'm simply pointing out that this ban is pointless...it serves no purpose if he cannot provide any evidence that the nations or people within the nations that he banned had any reason to attack us which he cannot provide.
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Shame I had "The Wall" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPfa5VuTVN4) in defense mode. Aint getting past that.

Well first off you are basing your percentage on the entire eligible voting population in the US, and not the ones that actually voted which was about ~58% iirc. The reason I say its the working class that is who you are throwing your identity politics at, is because its mostly true. Alot of facts thrown around by leftists right after the election was all about how those with college degrees/masters degrees voted for Hillary. Now, I dunno what your picture of a "bougie", but when I think bougie I think someone sitting in a nice house with a college degree hanging on his/her door. Those people voted for Hillary. Your famous actors and such who have not really contributed alot to society, also voted for Hillary overwhelmingly. When I think of the proletariat, I think of the lower/middle class, as I see them as the working men/women of America. Its funny, because when you ask a leftists (and even you yourself are kind of perpetuating this), what they think a Trump supporter is, they are likely to respond that they are rednecks among with a whole list of "phobics" and "ists". But the thing with Rednecks, is no matter how many "phobics" and "ists" you throw at them, they are the lower/middle class of America. There is your proleteriate tbh. I see it odd that a Communist would hate the basis of his movement really. Afterall, Communism is really intended to be a populist movement, a movement by the majority to take back their livelihood from the few.

Spoiler
wot
[close]

You know wot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trLbb0Ucyy4)

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I get that Islam is not a race...however the predominate population within the banned countries are Arab Muslims. It is racist because it is targeting people of a particular race that just so happens to have their own dominate religion. So he's not JUST racist, he's also Islamophobic and Xenophobic. I hate having to throw these words around because i don't think that form of disourse is particularly effective but in the case of Trump where is so blatant, so obvious, it's honestly disgusting, I make the exception because I genuinely believe it's true.
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Thats ridiculous. You are alleging it as something its not. Arabs are still allowed in America. Muslims are still allowed in America. Its a ban on nations, not races or even religions. If every German suddenly became a Nazi, and I mean a heiling, book burning, jew hunting Nazi, and we banned travel from Germany due to fear from far right terrorists or whatever, it wouldn't be racist because most of them are White. You are saying its something its not. Its also not "Christianophobic" or whatever you would call that, even though they are mostly Christian. The only argument you have grounds for is that it is Xenophobic, but if it was truly xenophobic we would just shut down travel with ALL other countries. A phobia is an unreasonable fear of a particular thing, with Xenophobia being an irrational fear of foreigners. However, you know its not that. It is quite reasonable to bar travel from those countries as it is dangerous. It could only be 1 and 1000, or even 10000 is a terrorist, but those still are not very good odds and why take the risk when you...literally don't have to. Nations are not obliged to have free movement of people.

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I call it a Muslim ban because it's mostly Arab Muslims who are being banned...maybe it's misleading, but whatever. Okay, so it's about terror statistics then...what exactly are we scared of? A terror attack that we have no evidence will happen? These "terror" attacks are mostly happening on their own soil because they are in active civil wars which we are at least partially responsible for.
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I will just call it a Terrorist ban then, because that is more accurate to its purpose and than calling it a Muslim ban.

You see, the best terror attack is a terror attack that never happened. If we can prevent just one terrorist from entering the United States with this ban, then it will have been a success in my eyes as that could be the lives of 30 or more Americans saved. The President's job is to keep Americans safe. If he can accomplish that by having a travel ban on those countries, then I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. If in the future we can reach out and help people in the Middle East WITHOUT endangering Americans, then I see no reason why we should not do that. However, the safety of Americans comes first, especially in the eyes of the president.

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The point of the ban is to protect AMERICANS. So it's relevant to bring up evidence that suggest certain people of certain nationalities may be more harmful than others, hints the nationalities of prior attacks. If we were to go by that logic, saudi arabia seems very unfriendly towards americans and should really be at the top of trump's list. I am in no way advocating a larger ban or any ban at all, i'm simply pointing out that this ban is pointless...it serves no purpose if he cannot provide any evidence that the nations or people within the nations that he banned had any reason to attack us which he cannot provide.
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You are being ridiculous. Terrorists don't need more reason to attack us, other than that we don't agree with them. That is what terrorism is, Political Persuasion through Terror. If their goal is to convert us to Islam, or particularly their particular view of Islam, then they would try to scare us into thinking it is not worth being anything but their particular view of Islam. That is why the primary victims of Terrorists...are other Muslims. You would think that a Muslim has not given a terrorist any reason to attack him, other than that they slightly disagree, but that is enough justification for them. Just because YOU don't think they have a reason to attack Americans, doesn't mean they think that. Actually, on second thought, you blamed the state of the Middleast on us, which I would say is reason enough for them, meaning that we probably are high up on the list of targets.

Here's the thing though. The only reason I can think of for why those countries are not banned, is that they are going off of terror statistics worldwide and found those countries to be low enough to be considered somewhat safe, which makes sense to me. However, if you think I am going to argue for why they shouldn't be banned, you would be incredibly wrong. The easiest fix to the "contradiction" you are pointing out is to just ban those countries. I am for it. Easy as that. That is why I say its a weird argument to bring, as you could present those facts you are listing as an argument to ban more countries, not less.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cara on February 04, 2017, 03:18:24 pm
Why do French Elections always seem to be solely about personal issues?

The exercice of the Présidence de la République by some strong men with charisma and strong personality (From De Gaulle to Mitterrand) made this office very personnal. So this election is mostly a referendum on a person (as it was for Napoleon I and III) more than a party or a program thing.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: joer5835 on February 04, 2017, 05:17:00 pm
If you're gonna discuss Trump's wall and his foreign policy, don't do that here. You have the US politics thread for that.

Now back on topic, it's really interesting to note the amount of scandals coming of ex-Sarkozy supporters. I wonder if Fillon will hold.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on February 04, 2017, 05:35:02 pm
If you're gonna discuss Trump's wall and his foreign policy, don't do that here. You have the US politics thread for that.

Now back on topic, it's really interesting to note the amount of scandals coming of ex-Sarkozy supporters. I wonder if Fillon will hold.

or The General Political Thread
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Gluk the Walrus on February 04, 2017, 05:37:34 pm
This is a general politics thread and we are discussing trump's foreign policy which effects everyone. Like it or not.

Anyways, apoc, your arguments are based on fallacious grounds. I would explain it but im busy at the moment.

I play Jeb Bush in defense mode.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: BabyJesus on February 04, 2017, 06:47:00 pm
If you're gonna discuss Trump's wall and his foreign policy, don't do that here. You have the US politics thread for that.

Now back on topic, it's really interesting to note the amount of scandals coming of ex-Sarkozy supporters. I wonder if Fillon will hold.
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: joer5835 on February 04, 2017, 08:27:30 pm
Alright, hold on to your horses. I missed that, apologies. You're right.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cara on February 04, 2017, 09:33:26 pm
If you're gonna discuss Trump's wall and his foreign policy, don't do that here. You have the US politics thread for that.

Now back on topic, it's really interesting to note the amount of scandals coming of ex-Sarkozy supporters. I wonder if Fillon will hold.

Actually, Fillon wasn't a Sarkozy supporter, he became his PM to make an alliance inside the Right. It's more like the encounter between the internet, independant newspapers, concerned connected citizens and old-school politicians with all their little arrangements with the law. Since new laws in 2013, a significant amount of these arrangements became public and are tried. From Le Pen (3+ cases), to Socialists leaders and Sarkozy-Fillion-Copé Right leaders.

As a young elector, a former public law and political science student (former parliementary assistant too as Penelope :p ), I'm glad of this sweep in old corrupted politicians ;)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on February 04, 2017, 10:50:18 pm
Joer is right, though. There is a specific thread for US and US-related politics, so kindly keep it in that thread.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: BabyJesus on February 07, 2017, 05:36:02 am
So is the us politics thread locked permanently?

Also went to that Ben Shapiro thing tonight at my school. It was lit.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on February 08, 2017, 05:51:51 pm
Discuss: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-08/germanys-muslim-demographic-future
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cazasar on February 08, 2017, 06:44:11 pm
*subscribing*
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Hadhod on February 08, 2017, 07:50:28 pm
Discuss: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-08/germanys-muslim-demographic-future
I'll take the bait

Just look at the comments on that site:

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3 Choices:
1) Sterilize all Muslim immigrants
2) Send them back
3) Put them all on their own island that Saudi Prince offered


It will lead to white genocide.  Its been happening for decades in South Africa.  That is Germany's future:  they will deny the whites even their own homelands to escape the anti-white racism that the talmudists have spread around the world (with the help of war mongering shabbez goy).

The native Europeans will be outnumbered by the end of the century.
Apostates will be stoned to death on the Place de la Concorde sooner than anyone can believe.
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Many of their sources are from a dubious right wing site (Gatestone Institute) whose founder supports far right institutions and funded Geert Wilders. Looking through some of the articles from their site they seem to very much cherry pick their information.

"The organization describes itself as a "non-partisan, not-for-profit international policy council and think tank is dedicated to educating the public about what the mainstream media fails to report." The organization believes that traditional news outlets conduct insufficient and, as a result, misleading reporting on critical issues, and thus it distributes its own information about events in the Middle East and Muslim populations in other parts of the world."

Looks like they are fearmongering and spreading prejudices pretty harshly.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on February 08, 2017, 08:18:11 pm
Well yeah I clicked on a link that lead me to this Institute which claimed that there are No-Go zones in Germany, one of them being Duisburg Marxloh. Yeah right. I studied in Duisburg. I have been in Marxloh. It is not a no go zone. Sure, by German standards it is not the most peaceful or richest place, but its not a No-Go zone...
And even if it was, that would be like the first in Germany, whereas the US has like 20 quantatixtiallion, yet no one freaks out about that?

Edit:
Their references are also predominatnly N24, Bild and Spiegel. PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. All of them are owned by the same company. AND ITS SHIT.
They apparently also contradict themself/cherry pick sentences out of articles. One of their links contradicted what they said earlier.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cara on February 08, 2017, 08:38:47 pm
Aaaah I remember the no-go zones that Fox News found in Paris, even my own block  ;D Alternative facts maybe ?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cazasar on February 08, 2017, 09:17:55 pm
I hate how both the right wing extrememists and the left wing extrememists completely stop any serious discussion about the problems that Islam has :(
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: BabyJesus on February 08, 2017, 09:18:55 pm
Islam is the religion of peace
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: joer5835 on February 08, 2017, 09:21:53 pm
I hate how both the right wing extrememists and the left wing extrememists completely stop any serious discussion about the problems that Islam has :(

Tbf, that is very much the case in all modern day problems and debates.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cazasar on February 08, 2017, 09:23:03 pm
I hate how both the right wing extrememists and the left wing extrememists completely stop any serious discussion about the problems that Islam has :(

Tbf, that is very much the case in all modern day problems and debates.
true :( Tbh I think we are pretty much fucked. Radical lefties in charge led to people turning to radical right groups and both are severly retarded.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Gluk the Walrus on February 08, 2017, 09:41:56 pm
I can assure you that no radical leftists are "in charge" even though i wish it were true.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cazasar on February 08, 2017, 09:44:42 pm
I can assure you that no radical leftists are "in charge" even though i wish it were true.
Well, the SJW/Antifa crap is part of the radical left, or atleast they hijacked it. And they control campuses as far as im aware.

Im rather left myself tbh
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but I really dislike the authorian motives that these people pursue
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on February 08, 2017, 11:01:00 pm
'They control campuses'. What is that even supposed to mean?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Gluk the Walrus on February 08, 2017, 11:06:24 pm
How are SJWs and ANTIFA in anyway in a position of actual power? Remember, you said this,
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Radical lefties in charge led to people turning to radical right groups and both are severly retarded.
I'm just trying to figure out what radical leftists you're referring to.

Also, they don't really 'control' campuses, they have influence in a few campuses. Just because ANTIFA made a big stand at UC Berkeley doesn't mean that radical leftists control all college campuses, that's just ridiculous.

In addition, as a leftist yourself, would you agree with this statement?
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on February 08, 2017, 11:20:27 pm
The radical left controls university campuses. As a university student in North America you must realize that
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on February 08, 2017, 11:28:23 pm
The radical left controls university campuses. As a university student in North America you must realize that

What does this 'control' even mean?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: joer5835 on February 08, 2017, 11:29:34 pm
As a humanities student in the Netherlands, I see no sign of left SJW's ruling campusses. I can't comment on the US, sure, but my university explicity said that they would not censor or remove any unwanted lectures or topics. My faculty has regular lectures, debates and discussions on sensitive matters such as slavery, Nazis, Holocaust, Immigration and terrorism. Not once has anyone protested against this or got triggered. Never heard of that. Never heard of anything like that from friends studying elsewhere. So at least in my country, universities are far from ruled by leftist SJWs. If anything, the Right winged libertarians are doing very well here.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Gluk the Walrus on February 08, 2017, 11:48:50 pm
The radical left controls university campuses. As a university student in North America you must realize that
They don't 'control' universities, they just have influence there.

Oh dear god, opinions and ideas different from your own!? That must be fucking awful. Poor conservatives, having to listen to these stupid fucking feminists and socialists with their "equality" nonsense. You must really be having a hard time theo :(
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on February 08, 2017, 11:55:27 pm
You're telling me about opinions and ideas different from my own? Dear god, you're insane. There's a difference between hearing people's opinions and having those opinions being the facts of life. People get jumped for wearing Trump hats, for goodness sakes. As the saying goes "if you ain't tolerant, you get beat" and that's what control means.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on February 09, 2017, 01:19:14 am
>pussy
>not wanting to get sucker punched for my politics
Ok
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 09, 2017, 02:18:24 am
The government is completely Republican now.


That is all
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Mexican on February 09, 2017, 06:31:38 am
The radical left controls university campuses. As a university student in North America you must realize that

What does this 'control' even mean?
Well when you surround yourself in an environment filled with professors and staff who constantly reinforce a leftist worldview for 4 years and you don't make an effort to research differing ideologies, then yeah, you essentially become indoctrinated through social pressure. This isn't necessarily exclusive to leftist views, it can happen in pretty much any community where everyone is conservative, liberal, etc. it's just that college campuses are overwhelmingly leftist (This study says that the ratio of registered Democrats to Republicans among University professors is 11.5:1 http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/ ). This is a very simple concept I don't see how anyone can't understand this
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on February 09, 2017, 06:42:42 am
Usually, the only republicans in the social science departments are the economists
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on February 09, 2017, 10:55:09 am
The radical left controls university campuses. As a university student in North America you must realize that

What does this 'control' even mean?
Well when you surround yourself in an environment filled with professors and staff who constantly reinforce a leftist worldview for 4 years and you don't make an effort to research differing ideologies, then yeah, you essentially become indoctrinated through social pressure. This isn't necessarily exclusive to leftist views, it can happen in pretty much any community where everyone is conservative, liberal, etc. it's just that college campuses are overwhelmingly leftist (This study says that the ratio of registered Democrats to Republicans among University professors is 11.5:1 http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/ ). This is a very simple concept I don't see how anyone can't understand this

Perhaps it has more to do with knowledge regarding how thinks actually work, rather than political ideologies. Certainly, there is a leftist trend in universities, but from what I have experienced, have heard, seen and read, there is no actual political agenda, or any matter of control. It is more a matter of transferring facts, something that the rigth and most notably the conservatives are known for.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 09, 2017, 12:48:31 pm
Certainly, there is a leftist trend in universities, but from what I have experienced, have heard, seen and read, there is no actual political agenda, or any matter of control.

Have you been living under a rock?

Milo is the most prominent example sure, but there are many more isolated cases such as the one regarding Daniel Brewster (is awarding extra credit to students who attend your leftist event means of control? yes). You're seriously downplaying it with "a leftist trend"; the professors have made themselves a meme with how little effort they put into hiding their bias.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: joer5835 on February 09, 2017, 02:49:51 pm
The leftist trend might be the case in the US, but it currently is not by any means in Europe.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: BabyJesus on February 09, 2017, 03:07:37 pm
The leftist trend might be the case in the US, but it currently is not by any means in Europe.
L M A O
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 09, 2017, 03:33:17 pm
The leftist trend might be the case in the US, but it currently is not by any means in Europe.

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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Gluk the Walrus on February 09, 2017, 06:03:19 pm
My question to you folks is this,

How did this happen?

It certainly wasn't organized by the professors. So how did this come about?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on February 09, 2017, 06:26:03 pm
It certainly wasn't organized by the professors. So how did this come about?

That's my point. When I  was talking about universities, I meant the actual institutions and lessons.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cazasar on February 09, 2017, 08:15:39 pm
'They control campuses'. What is that even supposed to mean?
You can savely say that left tendencies have been in charge of the agenda setting in most of western society. And Campuses are mostly politically left, look at student movements and most professors. In Germany a mathematics prof was fired because he let his students calculate how likely it is that a terrorist is also a muslim.

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How are SJWs and ANTIFA in anyway in a position of actual power? Remember, you said this,
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Radical lefties in charge led to people turning to radical right groups and both are severly retarded.
I'm just trying to figure out what radical leftists you're referring to.

Also, they don't really 'control' campuses, they have influence in a few campuses. Just because ANTIFA made a big stand at UC Berkeley doesn't mean that radical leftists control all college campuses, that's just ridiculous.

In addition, as a leftist yourself, would you agree with this statement?
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Again, those groups (or lesser groups) are (in my subjective view) in charge of agenda setting, or atleast the public media output follows a "left" mainstream. Since we are on a international forum this is hard to proof for all countries, so I can only talk about German media. For example, media outlets were asked to not talk about the heritage if they reported any sort of crime related to immigrants.

This, again, is NOT the case for all media outlets. You can see tendencys though.

And gluk, do you stand behind this Antifa retard? I mean jesus HOW retarded do you have to frikkin be.

1. Preventing someone from killing someone by killing him is the WORST case scenario and it is NOT how any kind of judgement in a decent society should happen.

2. Are they not aware that one of the groups that they protect is the biggest Antisemetic and homophobic religion that exists? Jesus Christ.

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The radical left controls university campuses. As a university student in North America you must realize that
They don't 'control' universities, they just have influence there.

Oh dear god, opinions and ideas different from your own!? That must be fucking awful. Poor conservatives, having to listen to these stupid fucking feminists and socialists with their "equality" nonsense. You must really be having a hard time theo :(
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There is a difference between actually discussing different opinions (wich is sometimes happening here) and outright refusing to listen to someone because you assume you have the moral highground(wich is happening here most of the time, from BOTH sides).

I know its a shitty personal experience argument, but every time I try to talk about the problems that occur with bringing over a million immigrants into your country in less then 2 years I get called a nazi or im being "intolerant".

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Perhaps it has more to do with knowledge regarding how thinks actually work, rather than political ideologies. Certainly, there is a leftist trend in universities, but from what I have experienced, have heard, seen and read, there is no actual political agenda, or any matter of control. It is more a matter of transferring facts, something that the rigth and most notably the conservatives are known for.
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Yeah sure, the left is just more intelligent than the right! Not like the left EVER ignores facts right?!  *stares at obvious issues with mass immigration* ::)

Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on February 09, 2017, 09:28:41 pm
The reason why most Professors in the US rather vote Democrat than Republican, is because those Professors are Scientists. And Scientist like to believe that evolution exist and stuff. So they are more likely to vote Democrat than Republican, because as we know Republicans hate Science, because JESUUUUUUUS and OIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

If I were a Scientist in the US and I had to choose between someone who will cut all my funding and between someone who will not necessarily increase it, but at least keep it more or less the same, I obviously choose the 2nd one.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on February 09, 2017, 09:53:02 pm
Aaaaaand we're back to talking about US politics on the European politics discussion thread. GG.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on February 09, 2017, 09:55:28 pm
The reason why most Professors in the US rather vote Democrat than Republican, is because those Professors are Scientists. And Scientist like to believe that evolution exist and stuff. So they are more likely to vote Democrat than Republican, because as we know Republicans hate Science, because JESUUUUUUUS and OIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

If I were a Scientist in the US and I had to choose between someone who will cut all my funding and between someone who will not necessarily increase it, but at least keep it more or less the same, I obviously choose the 2nd one.
...
Are you being legit..
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 09, 2017, 11:08:27 pm
>putting real professors in the same boat as social studies professors
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on February 10, 2017, 12:20:30 am
Well, a lot of people now days take stupid uni courses like Religious Studies, Gender Studies and shit like that. They are bound to produce leftist thoughts simply because of the very natures of courses in contrast with right-wing ideals. Useless courses, but its what people take. Actual scientist are left leaning generally because conservative governments only care about science so long as they don't contradict the policy of their government. Trump clamping down on climate change is an example of this. If you're a professional on the subject, and you can clearly see the evidence of evolution or climate change. Why would you actively support a political party who refuses to accept these facts so as to not anger their constituents?

But lets face it. Probably just the DNC and George Soros sending "donations" to all of the universities across the western world.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 10, 2017, 01:13:26 am
But lets face it. Probably just the DNC and George Soros sending "donations" to all of the universities across the western world.

That's a good boy. Give him a biscuit, Duuring.

Nobody is even talking about social studies.

Its amazing how the Frankfurt School keeps triggering right wingers to this day.

Lol troled agen by the anarcho arab
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on February 10, 2017, 03:29:58 am
>putting real professors in the same boat as social studies professors

I am assuming that most Professors actually do something useful. You know, Physics, Math, History and stuff.

Well, a lot of people now days take stupid uni courses like Religious Studies, Gender Studies and shit like that. They are bound to produce leftist thoughts simply because of the very natures of courses in contrast with right-wing ideals. Useless courses, but its what people take. Actual scientist are left leaning generally because conservative governments only care about science so long as they don't contradict the policy of their government. Trump clamping down on climate change is an example of this. If you're a professional on the subject, and you can clearly see the evidence of evolution or climate change. Why would you actively support a political party who refuses to accept these facts so as to not anger their constituents?

But lets face it. Probably just the DNC and George Soros sending "donations" to all of the universities across the western world.

Are they really? I know that at the local universities here, there are way to many people studying business/economy and stuff like that and way to few people studying anything actual sciency. A lot of people are afraid of Mathematics. Not saying economy is not science, but you get what I mean. Everyone is studying something business related and engineers and scientists are struggling to find replacements.
Overall, there are to many students, the universities are overflowing and a lot of jobs that do not require any higher education do not find enough workers. (I guess that's where refugees are supposed to step in or something, I don't know)

I am exaggerating ofc, its not all that bad, but this is where the current trend is leading to anyway.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on February 10, 2017, 04:02:24 am
I wonder if George Soros funded the Stalinist purges when he was 6?

Also, Fraudbear, you got me. I 100% though George Soros funded every university in the western world to turn them left.
Stellar meme.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on February 10, 2017, 04:13:54 am
>putting real professors in the same boat as social studies professors

I am assuming that most Professors actually do something useful. You know, Physics, Math, History and stuff.

Well, a lot of people now days take stupid uni courses like Religious Studies, Gender Studies and shit like that. They are bound to produce leftist thoughts simply because of the very natures of courses in contrast with right-wing ideals. Useless courses, but its what people take. Actual scientist are left leaning generally because conservative governments only care about science so long as they don't contradict the policy of their government. Trump clamping down on climate change is an example of this. If you're a professional on the subject, and you can clearly see the evidence of evolution or climate change. Why would you actively support a political party who refuses to accept these facts so as to not anger their constituents?

But lets face it. Probably just the DNC and George Soros sending "donations" to all of the universities across the western world.

Are they really? I know that at the local universities here, there are way to many people studying business/economy and stuff like that and way to few people studying anything actual sciency. A lot of people are afraid of Mathematics. Not saying economy is not science, but you get what I mean. Everyone is studying something business related and engineers and scientists are struggling to find replacements.
Overall, there are to many students, the universities are overflowing and a lot of jobs that do not require any higher education do not find enough workers. (I guess that's where refugees are supposed to step in or something, I don't know)

I am exaggerating ofc, its not all that bad, but this is where the current trend is leading to anyway.
1. Your definition of useful is loaded and completely uneducated.
2. You're ignoring a significant number of professors.
3. Either European universities are completely different than North American ones, your perspective sucks, or you're just completely mislead.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cazasar on February 10, 2017, 06:38:15 am
When you actually put effort in posting and no one responds to you. Feels bad man.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 10, 2017, 11:12:48 am
Calling Conway a "stormfag"

 ;D ;D ;D

Was there another incident on the train?  :'( Do tell us Fraud, we're here for you and your brave tales of fighting Islamophobia!
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Hadhod on February 10, 2017, 12:11:38 pm
You can savely say that left tendencies have been in charge of the agenda setting in most of western society. And Campuses are mostly politically left, look at student movements and most professors. In Germany a mathematics prof was fired because he let his students calculate how likely it is that a terrorist is also a muslim.
As a student at a German university I can promise you there are most certainly right wing student movements and clubs. At my University there are at least 2 that are known for being right wing (not extremist, just very conservative) and 1 more is being rumoured to be too. I have to agree that there are more left leaning organisations around, though.
I don't know the circumstances of that incident with the teacher but whatever the reason, doing something like that (giving such a task to students) is just absolutely tasteless.

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Again, those groups (or lesser groups) are (in my subjective view) in charge of agenda setting, or atleast the public media output follows a "left" mainstream. Since we are on a international forum this is hard to proof for all countries, so I can only talk about German media. For example, media outlets were asked to not talk about the heritage if they reported any sort of crime related to immigrants.

This, again, is NOT the case for all media outlets. You can see tendencys though.
Who asked the media to not publish heritage? Leftist extremists? Certainly not. It was probably the government to prevent any more right wing hate crimes like there have been a ton of in Saxony with the refugee camp burnings.

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There is a difference between actually discussing different opinions (wich is sometimes happening here) and outright refusing to listen to someone because you assume you have the moral highground(wich is happening here most of the time, from BOTH sides).
Unlike you most right wing people are brainwashed into oblivion and refuse to listen to any arguments. I very rarely encounter left wing extremists on the internet but they are the same, I guess the internet is just an outlet for all the hate people don't dare to let lose in public.

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I know its a shitty personal experience argument, but every time I try to talk about the problems that occur with bringing over a million immigrants into your country in less then 2 years I get called a nazi or im being "intolerant".
That is unfortunately a very German problem, undoubtedly fueled by our past. Yes there are problems with the way the situation was handled, but I am proud of our chancellor, that she as the only western leader stood up for the principles, morals and values the EU stands for. Sure we could have closed our doors and not let people in, after all it's not our problem if they all die in their puny conflict down there, right? But that goes against everything we have been trying to achieve in Europe for the past 70 years.
I have talked to refugees, my parents are taking care of a family from Afghanistan/Pakistan who fled here, because they married against their family's wishes. The husband got beaten up, shot and stabbed multiple times (nearly deaf and blind, broken bones all over, permanent limp). And no they were not poor, they owned a general goods store before they fled the country, but what does money mean if you have to fear for your and your family's safety. If we are closing the gates to people like them who have done nothing to deserve their fate, how can we say we are for human dignity, for the equality of men, for liberty...
Sure there are problems and yes, there will be even more problems in the future for Germany because we showed empathy and "loved our neighbour". But I rather have these problems than become an intolerant (and yes I think the word is applicable here unlike in your case) society like Hungary or Poland who turn away from the values of the western world to "protect" what's left of their shitty nationalistic countries.

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Yeah sure, the left is just more intelligent than the right! Not like the left EVER ignores facts right?!  *stares at obvious issues with mass immigration* ::)
Look at the the people who vote AfD and march with Pegida and you have your answer.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cazasar on February 10, 2017, 12:27:33 pm
Could you give me links to these "tons" of camp burnings? I heard of Freital, but I wasnt aware of any others.

It was the goverment that told them to not publish heritage yes, but I still think it A: happened out of tendencies to protect ones own agenda and B: its not helping any actual public discussion about the topic.

Towards your bigger wall of text: I do not disagree with that. But I do believe that most of the people that came into our country are NOT infact fleeing from Muslim oppression or war but simply come here due it being a better style of living.

"Look at the the people who vote AfD and march with Pegida and you have your answer."
Look at the Amadeus Antonio Stiftung and Islam Apologists and you have the same.

My point is, extremists on both sides are shit, ad hominems are shit, lets look at facts instead:

Islam is homophobic

Islam is sexist
>Islam is not in lign with our basic rights

Many Immigrants are from radical muslim countries AND believe in Islam and the teachings of the Koran
>those people should not live here.

Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on February 10, 2017, 01:55:40 pm
1. Your definition of useful is loaded and completely uneducated.
2. You're ignoring a significant number of professors.
3. Either European universities are completely different than North American ones, your perspective sucks, or you're just completely mislead.

1.) Don't care. anything that involves your own opinion and is not primarily using the scientific method should not be featured on a PUBLIC university .
2.) I am ignoring a significant number of professors, I am not going to count all of the different fields people can specialise in.
3.) I guess they are, the whole educational system is different after all. But I don't know what exactly you are referring to, so I can not tell. I am sure they have a lot of things in common, but also a lot of differences.
Edit: As I am reading right now, there is a huge difference in funding in the US and Germany. (As I expected). German Universities are almost completely state funded, while in the US, some universities are almost completely privately funded. I guess you can see where that leads to. Also remember, Germany has no tuition fees, while the US has enormous fees.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Hadhod on February 10, 2017, 02:00:21 pm
Could you give me links to these "tons" of camp burnings? I heard of Freital, but I wasnt aware of any others.

It was the goverment that told them to not publish heritage yes, but I still think it A: happened out of tendencies to protect ones own agenda and B: its not helping any actual public discussion about the topic.

Towards your bigger wall of text: I do not disagree with that. But I do believe that most of the people that came into our country are NOT infact fleeing from Muslim oppression or war but simply come here due it being a better style of living.

"Look at the the people who vote AfD and march with Pegida and you have your answer."
Look at the Amadeus Antonio Stiftung and Islam Apologists and you have the same.

My point is, extremists on both sides are shit, ad hominems are shit, lets look at facts instead:
http://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/auflistung-der-regierung-in-nrw-und-sachsen-gab-es-die-meisten-angriffe-auf-fluechtlingsheime/12955304.html
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fl%C3%BCchtlingsfeindliche_Angriffe_in_der_Bundesrepublik_Deutschland

I agree, it is not a good idea to keep heritage hidden, because it looks like the government is trying to be apologetic towards refugees, an argument that is often used in the context of discussion such as ours (like you just proved).

Yes, that might very well be the case, but who can blame them for that. If I was in their shoes, and don't see a way of living a good life in my country, I would certainly try to move to a better place as well. We have the  Bundesamt für Migration und Flüchtlinge (Federal Office for Migration and Refugees, BAMF) for that who decide the different cases. The family I described above will most likely be sent back to Afghanistan because they are not "fleeing from religious or political oppression". Just let that sink in, a man that got nearly beaten to death...

I have never heard of that Institution before but I agree Islam apologists (I hope we mean the same thing here, as you didn't define what exactly you mean with that) are a problem too. That however doesn't change the fact that the majority of right wing voters are under educated, unemployed people. I know what I am talking about I live in Mecklenburg Vorpommern where the AfD has 20% of the seats and guess what, MV is one of the poorest states with the 2nd highest unemployment rate in Germany (only surpassed by Bremen). Just compare the unemployment rates with the map of the voting outcomes last year.
https://statistik.arbeitsagentur.de/Navigation/Statistik/Statistik-nach-Regionen/Politische-Gebietsstruktur/Mecklenburg-Vorpommern-ab-09-2011-Nav.html
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article157951298/Ergebnisse-aller-Wahlkreise-in-Mecklenburg-Vorpommern.html

That we can agree on, extremism is never a good thing.

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Islam is homophobic.
Yes, so is Christianity, but through internal reforms tolerance to homosexuals is starting to rise in the churches (especially in the Protestant churches).
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Islam is sexist.
So is Christianity. Yet again the religion is trying to reform that.

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Islam is not in line with our basic rights.
By your logic neither is Christianity. Should all Christians be deported then? I hope you see the logical fallacy here in your argument.

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Many Immigrants are from radical muslim countries AND believe in Islam and the teachings of the Koran
>those people should not live here.
As long as these immigrants do not break the law while practising their religion they are allowed to keep their opinions and religion, that is part of our Grundgesetz (Basic Law for the Federal Republic of Germany), you know that. Your personal opinion whether or not Muslims belong to Germany is irrelevant in that matter.
I agree however that Islam, if it wants to coexist with other religions and atheists in the western world, is in dire need of reforms or it will further the already exists conflicts.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cazasar on February 10, 2017, 02:16:12 pm
Hadhod we are not really disagreeing are we? You are simply raising the point that Christianity is also bad(wich I agree with, while also stating that most Christians dont really practice their religion) and that we shouldnt blame people for trying to improve their condition of life. Still, dont disagree with that.

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Islam is homophobic.
Yes, so is Christianity, but through internal reforms tolerance to homosexuals is starting to rise in the churches (especially in the Protestant churches).

"Islam is homophobic!" "Yea, but protestantism is reforming though!" wat

You should inform yourself about the Amadeus Antonio Stiftung, its led by an Ex Stasi Member is basically the tip of the cancer berg that is radical SJW´s :^)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Hadhod on February 10, 2017, 02:31:38 pm
Hadhod we are not really disagreeing are we? You are simply raising the point that Christianity is also bad(wich I agree with, while also stating that most Christians dont really practice their religion) and that we shouldnt blame people for trying to improve their condition of life. Still, dont disagree with that.
Then I must have articulated myself wrongly here. I didn't say Christianity is bad, I stated that parts of the Christian believes are outdated (thus bad) and should therefore be reformed (like the anti homosexual part you mentioned).

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"Islam is homophobic!" "Yea, but protestantism is reforming though!" wat
I should have probably quoted if altogether to make for easier formatting. With those comments I was trying to say that Christianity and its values (whatever you may think of it) is/are an integral part even of today's western society despite being old. That is because it was reformed time and time again. Islam needs these reforms too or in the long run western ideology and Islam will not be able to coexist.
Despite Islam being outdated in many of its thoughts, being part of and living out that religion is not against the law, so as I said, your opinion whether or not Muslims should be allowed in Germany is not relevant. You can't simply disallow religion that's not how our constitution works.

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You should inform yourself about the Amadeus Antonio Stiftung, its led by an Ex Stasi Member is basically the tip of the cancer berg that is radical SJW´s :^)
They must be rather small to never make it into any news or talks I have read and had over the past years.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Rutger Müller on February 11, 2017, 03:27:32 am
But lets face it. Probably just the DNC and George Soros sending "donations" to all of the universities across the western world.

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(https://i.imgur.com/BB8wm2W.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/0NmIlfb.png)
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Life isn't a videogame, stormfag. Soros is not the big meanie at the end.

Soros' little buddy was handpicked by Trump to effectively be in-charge of US Gov revenue.
how is he a stormfag? wat
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on February 11, 2017, 04:47:35 am
But lets face it. Probably just the DNC and George Soros sending "donations" to all of the universities across the western world.

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/BB8wm2W.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/0NmIlfb.png)
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Life isn't a videogame, stormfag. Soros is not the big meanie at the end.

Soros' little buddy was handpicked by Trump to effectively be in-charge of US Gov revenue.
how is he a stormfag? wat
Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/BAGkEIP.jpg)
Bottom-most book is an actual copy of Mein Kampf btw.
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Rutger Müller on February 11, 2017, 01:50:01 pm
But lets face it. Probably just the DNC and George Soros sending "donations" to all of the universities across the western world.

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/BB8wm2W.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/0NmIlfb.png)
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Life isn't a videogame, stormfag. Soros is not the big meanie at the end.

Soros' little buddy was handpicked by Trump to effectively be in-charge of US Gov revenue.
how is he a stormfag? wat
Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/BAGkEIP.jpg)
Bottom-most book is an actual copy of Mein Kampf btw.
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exdee
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 12, 2017, 09:16:31 am
Good man Conway, you're getting yourself a proper education with books like that.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on February 12, 2017, 02:07:18 pm
I'm disappointed. Apparently Trump is a fascist but we haven't sent out the death squads or burned any books yet.

Starting to regret my vote  :'( woulda been nice to burn required reading for class cause its evil.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Rutger Müller on February 12, 2017, 03:23:52 pm
Apparently Trump is a fascist
I don't get it?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on February 12, 2017, 05:35:21 pm
I'm disappointed. Apparently Trump is a fascist but we haven't sent out the death squads or burned any books yet.

Starting to regret my vote  :'( woulda been nice to burn required reading for class cause its evil.
I've been sitting here with my Hitler Youth uniform, Art Of The Deal, and MAGA hat for a while. When're you invading Canada? I'm getting impatient.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Rutger Müller on February 12, 2017, 09:39:50 pm
I'm disappointed. Apparently Trump is a fascist but we haven't sent out the death squads or burned any books yet.

Starting to regret my vote  :'( woulda been nice to burn required reading for class cause its evil.
I've been sitting here with my Hitler Youth uniform, Art Of The Deal, and MAGA hat for a while. When're you invading Canada? I'm getting impatient.
soon... make sure your fashy goy haircut is in regs
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on February 12, 2017, 09:59:58 pm
If you kill your enemies they win, so joke is on the US if it invades Canada.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on February 12, 2017, 11:21:48 pm
If you kill your enemies they win, so joke is on the US if it invades Canada.
We're gonna go all 1812 on their asses
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on February 13, 2017, 05:12:39 am
If you kill your enemies they win, so joke is on the US if it invades Canada.
We're gonna go all 1812 on their asses

Nah the Brits will side with us this time. We all know deep down they wanna restore their empire.

Don't worry tho. Once we Anschluss Canada, we can go retake Constantinople and the Holy Land together. #MakeWesternCivilizationGreatAgain
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 13, 2017, 10:56:15 am
Still no anarcho faggots though
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on February 13, 2017, 10:59:20 am
Anyone wanna take Fraudbears bait to make him feel better? He has been trying so hard, I almost feel bad for him :'(

Hey Fraudbear, if it means anything, there is a small part of me that cares a little bit that he doesn't listen to bunch of unproven people with no connections at all.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on February 13, 2017, 12:53:58 pm
Also I am getting saltier by the minute on the immigration restrictions being shot down in the 9th Circuit Court

Spoiler

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182

(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.

(side note, i like how it assumes his gender *triggered*)
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Gluk the Walrus on February 13, 2017, 09:22:31 pm
Cuz ya know, fuck the constitution, am i right guy!?!?

Trump can't just do whatever he wants. These judges are meant to uphold the constitution and that's what they did.

Fuckin right wingers always go on about how they want to protect the constitution cuz 'muh rights are bein violated' yet have no idea what the constitution actually fucking says. It says a lot more than just 'freedom of speech' and 'muh guns.'
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on February 13, 2017, 10:47:16 pm
Enlighten us. What's the constitutional explanation
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Gluk the Walrus on February 13, 2017, 11:06:00 pm
It violates Due Process and Equal Protection under the constitution.

Essentially why this violates these two things is because the people within the banned countries did not commit a crime against the united states (maybe a few individuals but not the general populous) and therefore do not deserve repercussions as a result. There are various other legal arguments that you can approach from, all a little different from each other, yet they all seem to stem from Due Process and Equal Protection. I don't pretend to be a lawyer but I am a poli-sci major which is typically seen as a  prerequisite to law. The simple fact that the courts denied trump's EO just proves my point.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on February 13, 2017, 11:14:00 pm
It would have cost any politician's their career had they done something like this.
Looks like the Americans really did become sheep. And the EU is jsut here to sit back, relax and enjoy the comedy.

That is, until the Russians invade Poland and we're like Tywin Lannister on a privy.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: joer5835 on February 13, 2017, 11:21:17 pm
And the EU is jsut here to sit back, relax and enjoy the comedy.

Hardly. We have our folks of that calibre like Le Pen and Wilders. Le Penn is facing some serious scandals, while Wilders has started flinging mud at his opponents.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on February 13, 2017, 11:22:16 pm
That doesn't make sense. From my understanding of the US Consitution, it applies to all citizens and immigrants on US soil, but not potential immigrants. If I'm wrong tell me why, but it seems to me that unless there's some explanatory precedent, everything that the US Consitution protects is applicable for people legally citizens or on US territory.
About the court- doesn't that 9th circuit have a 20 percent success rate in the Supreme Court?
This article may be applicable
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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2001/09/do_noncitizens_have_constitutional_rights.html
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. Also, while a POLS degree is seen as a prereq for law, it's a really half-assed justification. Don't do that shit, that's just weak af.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: William on February 13, 2017, 11:31:19 pm
It violates Due Process and Equal Protection under the constitution.

Essentially why this violates these two things is because the people within the banned countries did not commit a crime against the united states (maybe a few individuals but not the general populous) and therefore do not deserve repercussions as a result. There are various other legal arguments that you can approach from, all a little different from each other, yet they all seem to stem from Due Process and Equal Protection. I don't pretend to be a lawyer but I am a poli-sci major which is typically seen as a  prerequisite to law. The simple fact that the courts denied trump's EO just proves my point.
Just curious, where does the American Constitution extend to foreign nationals who aren't even in our country and therefore have no protections from the American Constitution? I would think no where because the American constitution applies to people within the United States only. Although it's something else to say that America apparently claims the entire world as it's own? I guess the Illuminati plot to enslave us goes deeper than I thought

It would have cost any politician's their career had they done something like this.
Looks like the Americans really did become sheep. And the EU is jsut here to sit back, relax and enjoy the comedy.
Yes, enjoy your comedy as Europe destroys itself with dindu nuffin arabs protected by the left and the MSM  but yes, lecture us on how we are sheep for wanting to control who comes into our country and actually trying to address the problem that is Radical Islamic Terrorism and its implications
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on February 14, 2017, 12:36:19 am
Doesn't the Constitution also grant to freedom of religion? Isn't targeting one specific religion or prioritizing one over another a breach of that? The ban on refugees is stupid anyways. Not one single refugee has committed an act of terror. Meanwhile people continue to die in Syria while the alt-right works to send refugees back into the war zone. What Trump's doing isn't really helping people, its just making people feel a little bit safer. Islam is completely retarded and the world would be better off without it but letting Syrians suffer just because of some jihadist fucks isn't the most ethical thing. You don't need to flood the U.S with refugees. But there won't be any statues built for botching the whole crisis like Trumps going to do.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 14, 2017, 01:17:19 am
Fuckin right wingers always go on about how they want to protect the constitution cuz 'muh rights are bein violated' yet have no idea what the constitution actually fucking says. It says a lot more than just 'freedom of speech' and 'muh guns.'

Dems were nice and quiet when Obama did it, yet Republicans are the ones who pick and choose when to speak up?

And the EU is jsut here to sit back, relax and enjoy the comedy.

Ha, ha, ha, ha What a jape.

Doesn't the Constitution also grant to freedom of religion? Isn't targeting one specific religion or prioritizing one over another a breach of that? The ban on refugees is stupid anyways. Not one single refugee has committed an act of terror. Meanwhile people continue to die in Syria while the alt-right works to send refugees back into the war zone.

It certainly does... except this isn't targeting a religion, it's targeting countries riddled with home grown terrorism.  There are tons more of Muslim countries, and while no attacks have taken place recently caused by terrorists from the banned countries there have been plenty of arrests based on grounds of planned terrorism.

Meanwhile people continue to die in Syria while the alt-right works to send refugees back into the war zone.

You don't need to travel across a fucking ocean to escape the danger of ISIS, who are terrorists fighting for control of the middle east. I'd understand if T-1000 was after them, but you're being plain naive if you don't question the motives of them traveling so far, especially to a country which was founded on ideals the exact opposite of that of America.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on February 14, 2017, 01:39:14 am
Saying it's unconstitutional is the most hilarious thing I have ever heard.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182

(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.

Obama used said power 19 times. Think Bush only used it 12 times.

BUT OH MAH GAWD TRUMP IS A FASCIST, NO RESPECT FOR THE LAW.

Not only does the US Constitution really only apply to those within the United States/Citizens of the US. Not only is it not a ban on religion (therefore not even a violation of Freedom of Religion), it wouldn't even matter if it was.

Fucking Hack judges. There is no fucking debate to be had. No wonder their decisions almost always get overturned in the Supreme Court, where they actually care about the law.

I think he could (and if he can, he should) have those judges arrested legally. Think Lincoln did that to judges who undermined his executive authority like that.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on February 14, 2017, 01:42:46 am

Doesn't the Constitution also grant to freedom of religion? Isn't targeting one specific religion or prioritizing one over another a breach of that? The ban on refugees is stupid anyways. Not one single refugee has committed an act of terror. Meanwhile people continue to die in Syria while the alt-right works to send refugees back into the war zone.

It certainly does... except this isn't targeting a religion, it's targeting countries riddled with home grown terrorism.  There are tons more of Muslim countries, and while no attacks have taken place recently caused by terrorists from the banned countries there have been plenty of arrests based on grounds of planned terrorism.

Meanwhile people continue to die in Syria while the alt-right works to send refugees back into the war zone.

You don't need to travel across a fucking ocean to escape the danger of ISIS, who are terrorists fighting for control of the middle east. I'd understand if T-1000 was after them, but you're being plain naive if you don't question the motives of them traveling so far, especially to a country which was founded on ideals the exact opposite of that of America.
He has stated that Christians will be given priority which would? be violating freedom of religion as he is taking them over others rather then providing equal treatment. I'll agree enough to say its not a strict ban on Muslims. It is however tied up in the same rhetoric.

 You don't have to travel across the ocean to escape the dangers of ISIS. You just end up living under a strip of tarp in Turkey or Jordan. It's far to out there of an idea to think that they are leaving the middle east because to specifically enact terrorism against the U.S. People are not risking their lives in crossing the Mediterranean to blow up a church. The Irish didn't have any motives hidden motives while escaping the potato famine, and it would be retarded to think so. The whole prospect behind refugees it that they are fleeing away from a conflict or persecution to find a better life. Seeing the U.S is in a far better state to provide for them, rather then say Iraq, then perhaps that is why they attempt to go to the U.S. That's why Irish people fled to to the U.S rather then France. That's why Jews fled to the U.S rather then France if they were given the chance. If your life is shit, try to find the best one you can.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 14, 2017, 02:04:49 am
That paragraph is a mine of hypocrisy. There's a lot of random fluff added in, but I'll pick out the highlights:

He has stated that Christians will be given priority which would? 
(...)
The whole prospect behind refugees it that they are fleeing away from a conflict or persecution to find a better life.


Exactly, it's the CHRISTIANS that are facing conflict directed at them and are being persecuted, not typical Islamic refugees from Africa (or the stray Muslim from Syria). Christians are the ones who are being marched through towns and having their buses and transport stormed and cleansed.

It's safe to safe ISIS are killing everyone and anyone regardless of their creed, but there are many groups operating in the middle east and those selecting their targets do generally seem to be specifically going after Christians. Christians make the most legitimate refugees, and I can understand why Trump is willing to let them in. They will be much easier to integrate into society, also.

It's far to out there of an idea to think that they are leaving the middle east because to specifically enact terrorism against the U.S. People are not risking their lives in crossing the Mediterranean to blow up a church.

You deploying the "they're coming here for safety!" rhetoric isn't exactly valid speculation behind their motive, either. The Trump administration's ability to recognise that the majority of refugees may be coming to America for things such as the living conditions offered as a result of the sympathetic outlook of refugee status should not be criticized but applauded - we've seen what damage the open door policy can do when enacted by governments too cowardly to address or even slightly vet anyone claiming to be a refugee (like what's going on in your beloved Europe).

That's why Irish people fled to to the U.S rather then France. That's why Jews fled to the U.S rather then France if they were given the chance. If your life is shit, try to find the best one you can.

The ideology of the Irish and Jewish is a hell of a lot different than that of a Muslim. Are you really comparing the refugee crisis to the holocaust? Jesus Christ, tone down the rhetoric and start being rational, please.

If your life is shit, try to find the best one you can.

Nice to see you being so tolerant of people abusing poorly designed government policies when they're a creation of the left. Instead of being angry at your government you choose to applaud these "clever" men, "good job getting a better life living off the fruits of the tax payer's labour!"

You're a fucking terrible socialist.

Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on February 14, 2017, 02:22:29 am
That paragraph is a mine of hypocrisy. There's a lot of random fluff added in, but I'll pick out the highlights:

He has stated that Christians will be given priority which would? 
(...)
The whole prospect behind refugees it that they are fleeing away from a conflict or persecution to find a better life.


Exactly, it's the CHRISTIANS that are facing conflict directed at them and are being persecuted, not typical Islamic refugees from Africa (or the stray Muslim from Syria). Christians are the ones who are being marched through towns and having their buses and transport stormed and cleansed.

It's safe to safe ISIS are killing everyone and anyone regardless of their creed, but there are many groups operating in the middle east and those selecting their targets do generally seem to be specifically going after Christians. Christians make the most legitimate refugees, and I can understand why Trump is willing to let them in. They will be much easier to integrate into society, also.

It's far to out there of an idea to think that they are leaving the middle east because to specifically enact terrorism against the U.S. People are not risking their lives in crossing the Mediterranean to blow up a church.

You deploying the "they're coming here for safety!" rhetoric isn't exactly valid speculation behind their motive, either. The Trump administration's ability to recognise that the majority of refugees may be coming to America for things such as the living conditions offered as a result of the sympathetic outlook of refugee status should not be criticized but applauded - we've seen what damage the open door policy can do when enacted by governments too cowardly to address or even slightly vet anyone claiming to be a refugee (like what's going on in your beloved Europe).

That's why Irish people fled to to the U.S rather then France. That's why Jews fled to the U.S rather then France if they were given the chance. If your life is shit, try to find the best one you can.

The ideology of the Irish and Jewish is a hell of a lot different than that of a Muslim. Are you really comparing the refugee crisis to the holocaust? Jesus Christ, tone down the rhetoric and start being rational, please.

If your life is shit, try to find the best one you can.

Nice to see you being so tolerant of people abusing poorly designed government policies when they're a creation of the left. Instead of being angry at your government you choose to applaud these "clever" men, "good job getting a better life living off the fruits of the tax payer's labour!"

You're a fucking terrible socialist.
I'm not comparing the situation in Syria to the holocaust. Real way to takes things to the next level by taking what I said to new levels. I'm comparing why people fled in response to the insinuation that they were coming to America to do harm. Which isn't the case, for the refugees at least. There has only been about 75 arrests made against refugees since 9/11. I wasn't saying if the Christians were in more or less danger. It's without a doubt that they are in more. I was debating the legality of specifically accepting Christian's above people in equal danger. The U.S currently has far from an open door policy concerning the middle east. The vetting is already insane. I don't think it should be everyone allowed in. But saying no completely isn't a good idea either. As for the last comment of your concerning government policies, I don't know where I gave praise for abusing government handouts. I was stating why they were inclined to come to the U.S over other countries.

I support universal-healthcare because it works for me and I'm ok with letting in refugees. I'm basically Karl Marx aren't I?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: joer5835 on February 14, 2017, 02:26:33 am
Christians make the most legitimate refugees, and I can understand why Trump is willing to let them in. They will be much easier to integrate into society, also.

It certainly does... except this isn't targeting a religion

So you're saying...it isn't targetting a specific religion...but at the same time certain people from certain religions are/should be exempt? Mind elaborating on that?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 14, 2017, 02:38:27 am
I wasn't saying if the Christians were in more or less danger. 1) It's without a doubt that they are in more. 2) I was debating the legality of specifically accepting Christian's above people in equal danger.

1) The Christians are in more danger than the other refugees

2) The Christians are in equal danger

Checkmate. Where's Duuring? Can I face the boss battle already?

I was debating the legality of specifically accepting Christian's above people in equal danger.

Quote from: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

It's not really a matter of religion, but more so of ideology and interest. And it's legal, yes.

So you're saying...it isn't targetting a specific religion...but at the same time certain people from certain religions are/should be exempt? Mind elaborating on that?

You say "targetting" as if they're being persecuted; the people coming from the selected Muslim majorities are being vetted/denied, not executed.

Again, the president reserves the right to ban entry of aliens who "would be detrimental to the interests of the United States", and there's plenty of fuel to feed the argument that those brought up with the extreme Muslim beliefs displayed in those 7 countries inherently are.


Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on February 14, 2017, 02:53:42 am
But Rick, taking in one person above another based on his religious orientation is infringing on the separation of state and religion. It means that the government favors one faith over another. As for your second argument it just goes to help my points. "2) The Christians are in equal danger". Exactly, and they should be given equal treatment as someone who is in equal danger of a different faith. Trump probably doesn't give to fucks about the Christians over there. Any money its just to appeal to the largely Christian Republican voting demographic but then again, its not like any other president did things better.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on February 14, 2017, 03:01:34 am
>Does things for Christians
>muh voter base
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 14, 2017, 03:05:42 am
But Rick, taking in one person above another based on his religious orientation is infringing on the separation of state and religion. It means that the government favors one faith over another.

You might have an argument if Christianity wasn't the semi-native and current majority religion, and if Islam didn't work against the interests and national belief of freedom.

You don't have to be American to realise the beliefs and interests of America stem from the objection of control from undemocratic rule like we would see under sharia.

I suggest you read:
http://docs.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url=http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf

and decide for yourself whether the US should take in Muslims who come from a more extremist background when there's clearly already a problem with a decent amount of American Muslims who believe Sharia should be put in place and that Muslims should be governed separately by it.

Trump probably doesn't give to fucks about the Christians over there. Any money its just to appeal to the largely Christian Republican voting demographic but then again, its not like any other president did things better.

Well, I know better not to argue or speculate around the psychology of Trump...

But Rick,

Don't make this personal, I'm sure we could share some politically incorrect banter about immigration over a pint. Maybe one day.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on February 14, 2017, 03:12:18 am
But Rick,

Don't make this personal, I'm sure we could share some politically incorrect banter about immigration over a pint. Maybe one day.
I got a decent chuckle from that  ;)
Calling you governor seems to formal and GovernorRickPerry seems odd to type several times over. Can there be a shortened nickname for future use in my Marxist-libtard-SJW rants? 
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 14, 2017, 03:22:44 am
You've actually always been "Commie Conway" in my mind, Conway was in fact a nickname. You deserve better, let me think on it.

As for my name, I reeee internally whenever someone calls me "RickPerry", so thanks for not doing that at least. I actually often forget I'm even called GovernorRickPerry sometimes; he was the original extremist rightwinger, but the media was actually smart and ignored him. He's a bit of an old meme now tbh.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on February 14, 2017, 03:23:16 am
The American constitutions, like all constitutions, applies to everyone who is on the territory of the US. Not just citizens. Not only does it not apply to non-citizens outside of the US (obviously) it also don't apply to US citizens outside of the United States (once again, pretty obvious)

Fact is that Trump's ban bans people from countries whose nationals have not killed an American citizen in a terrorist attack since, I think, 1975. Anyway, it's a badly written executive order as it is unclear and ambigious. Executive agencies had no real clear idea what they were supposed to and foreign governments had no idea whether it could apply to their immigrant citizen.

Is the ban unconstitutional? Seems so, or else the courts would not have suspended it. Trump is of course in his full right to appeal, but he openly questioned the legitimacy of the courts. Why? It doesn't help his case. It won't speed up his appeal. It certainly won't make other judges more likely to accept his actions and it certainly doesn't change anything about the wording of the Constitution. What people sorta forget is that it's the courts that decide on unconstitutionality. You can make a great case on how it is, but that doesn't change the fact that by American legislature, the Supreme Court has that final say. If they say something about the constitution, it automatically becomes law until overturned by that same court. Our interpretation of law changes overtime. Nobody felt that 'All men are created equal' applied to Negro's, women or natives when it was written. Yet that line is still there, and rights are derived from it.

Tl;dr, deciding whether it's unconstitutional is not really up to us. Deciding whether it's morally right of course is.

What pains me the most is that apparantly, allowing people that worked as translators for the US Armed Forces into the country is 'detrimental to the interests of the United States'. Why did his order not make an exception to this? Why are people who endanger the lives of themselves and their families a danger to the United States? This just feels like plain injustice, and even if you do not agree with that, then consider the fact that not harbouring these people if their lives are in danger will make it very hard for the US to find new translators or other local support.

PS: apologies for any typo's or grammar mistakes, I worked a late shift and its like 3:30 in the morning.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 14, 2017, 03:46:23 am
Fact is that Trump's ban bans people from countries whose nationals have not killed an American citizen in a terrorist attack since, I think, 1975. Anyway, it's a badly written executive order as it is unclear and ambigious. Executive agencies had no real clear idea what they were supposed to and foreign governments had no idea whether it could apply to their immigrant citizen.

Why does there have to have been an attack to justify the ban? The US has been extremely paranoid since 9/11. The mass surveillance is straight out of  Theresa May's wet dream etc, and many terrorists have been apprehended before attacking from Trump's 7. 

http://cis.org/vaughan/study-reveals-72-terrorists-came-countries-covered-trump-vetting-order

Tl;dr, deciding whether it's unconstitutional is not really up to us.

I completely agree. Although letting the 9th Circuit Court decide - a liberal court governing a massive liberal majority - should CERTAINLY not decide either.

Deciding whether it's morally right of course is.

That's entirely subjective though, how could that ever be set in stone?

What pains me the most is that apparantly, allowing people that worked as translators for the US Armed Forces into the country is 'detrimental to the interests of the United States'. Why did his order not make an exception to this? Why are people who endanger the lives of themselves and their families a danger to the United States? This just feels like plain injustice, and even if you do not agree with that, then consider the fact that not harbouring these people if their lives are in danger will make it very hard for the US to find new translators or other local support.


This is actually very interesting. I don't consider them "heroes" however I agree that they should be except to the extreme vetting that is probably unnecessary. However, I can empathise with Trump on how cases like Ali Mohammed - an example of a translator gone rogue who committed extremely serious crimes on US territory - puts him in a fairly awkward position.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on February 14, 2017, 04:22:52 am
You've actually always been "Commie Conway" in my mind, Conway was in fact a nickname. You deserve better, let me think on it.

As for my name, I reeee internally whenever someone calls me "RickPerry", so thanks for not doing that at least. I actually often forget I'm even called GovernorRickPerry sometimes; he was the original extremist rightwinger, but the media was actually smart and ignored him. He's a bit of an old meme now tbh.
Pls, no Commie. Centre-Left at a worst. I'm completely centrist concerning Canadian politics. I'd make an edgy fascist joke but I genuinely don't know if you'd object ;)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 14, 2017, 04:31:23 am
Pls, no Commie. Centre-Left at a worst. I'm completely centrist concerning Canadian politics. I'd make an edgy fascist joke but I genuinely don't know if you'd object ;)

Hey, I'm no fascist but you can't knock it; it worked perfectly fine for the Nazis, and only failed because of the Communists   ;D
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on February 14, 2017, 04:46:11 am
Pls, no Commie. Centre-Left at a worst. I'm completely centrist concerning Canadian politics. I'd make an edgy fascist joke but I genuinely don't know if you'd object ;)

Hey, I'm no fascist but you can't knock it; it worked perfectly fine for the Nazis, and only failed because of the Communists   ;D
The fact that they fought the communists displays in itself the inherit flaws of fascism. The high command knew it would be a stretch but the risks didn't matter. Things might have been ok if he didn't lose his mind from 1940 onwards.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 14, 2017, 04:49:35 am
Yup, I suspect so :'(
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Rutger Müller on February 14, 2017, 05:26:14 am
Pls, no Commie. Centre-Left at a worst. I'm completely centrist concerning Canadian politics. I'd make an edgy fascist joke but I genuinely don't know if you'd object ;)

Hey, I'm no fascist but you can't knock it; it worked perfectly fine for the Nazis, and only failed because of the Communists   ;D
The fact that they fought the communists displays in itself the inherit flaws of fascism. The high command knew it would be a stretch but the risks didn't matter. Things might have been ok if he didn't lose his mind from 1940 onwards.
imblying gommies should not be killed at all costs
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on February 14, 2017, 10:33:50 am
You say we can't debate the legality, that it is up to the courts Duuring. However, the law is pretty fucking crystal clear on its intent and purpose. (Not gonna repost it for a 3rd time). Also courts are all about precedent and when basically every president since like 1952 has used that particular law at one point or another, I would say the courts know damn well how legal it is.

Iirc, the Judges based their ruling on the fact that they saw no evidence of terrorism from nationals of the countries on the ban, and banning them would be detrimental to the interests of the United States (all those Somali brain surgeons, amirite?). That's all well and good, and they could bring that to a debate on the morality of the order. However, no part of the law even politely asks a judge for his opinion on the matter. It leaves the decision up to the PRESIDENT.

It was an ideological power play meant to delay the order. Trump can still say "F U" and implement it anyway, but now he'd look like a massive douchebag if he did. So while he has to rewrite the order or appeal, which can take months, we have nationals from those countries flooding in before the floodgates close.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on February 14, 2017, 12:13:39 pm

Yes, enjoy your comedy as Europe destroys itself with dindu nuffin arabs protected by the left and the MSM  but yes, lecture us on how we are sheep for wanting to control who comes into our country and actually trying to address the problem that is Radical Islamic Terrorism and its implications

funny you bring that up. Somehow terrorism gets all the attention nowadays. Stll it's no more or less a factual problem than it was 10 years ago - when immigration wasn't an item, an defense budget cuts were massively happening throughout Europe.

The anti-terrorism campaign and the 'radical islam problem' is no more than fearmongering. Terrorism ahsn't ever, is currently not and probably won't ever be an actual threat to the stability of Western countries. I'll start worrying when something like that kills more people than traffic accidents.

Spoiler
Oh wait. Guns do in the US. Makes one think, doesn't it?
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on February 14, 2017, 12:20:04 pm
Since "Merkled opened the doors" (Which she did not btw... The law was already there,) nothing has changed for me... I have not seen any difference. Most people still talk German, the infrastructure has not collapsed, public schools still function, the military and police still have a budget, the courts still function, there have been no real terrorist attacks (Unless you count 2 random dudes with a machete and a dude with a truck as major terrorist attack...), there are not 1000000 million of refugees roaming the streets, women can still go out at night without getting robbed, stabbed or raped...

Edit:
In response to riddlez:

Yeah, I was thinking the same. There are like a billion gun murders every day in the US. There are huge gang wars and entire city blocks owned by gangs. There are city blocks that a non-gang member should not visit and the US has a huge drug problem and has way to much debt to be believable. (Sure I am exaggerating, it is not like that everywhere, but still, you know it is at least partly true) Yet the US people think that refugees are killing Europe, where practically none of the shit noted above is happening.



 
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on February 14, 2017, 12:39:44 pm
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Although letting the 9th Circuit Court decide - a liberal court governing a massive liberal majority - should CERTAINLY not decide either.

But they should. That's their legal right, apparantly. The US system of political judges is pretty bad regardless.

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However, no part of the law even politely asks a judge for his opinion on the matter. It leaves the decision up to the PRESIDENT.

He doesn't have too. If someone appeals, even if it's a 18-year-old bicycle repairman from up-state New York, the courts can judge the law. Allowing judges only to review a law if asked for by the initiator of the law (or rather, executive order in this example) is doing away completely with checks and balances.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on February 14, 2017, 01:20:09 pm
Don't think Judges really care about checks and balances. They are not elected, and apparently they can do whatever the hell with the law they want to if someone challenges it at all.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: joer5835 on February 14, 2017, 01:21:56 pm
The fact the office of President, the head of the executive branch, can appoint members of the supreme court, members of the judiciary branch, already shows that Checks and Balances in the US is a damn joke.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on February 14, 2017, 02:02:35 pm
..what? That's a pretty retarded thing to say. Because one branch appoints (but has no power over) another branch that shows that the "checks and balances in the US is a joke"?
Just stop talking idiocy.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cazasar on February 14, 2017, 02:45:30 pm
Since "Merkled opened the doors" (Which she did not btw... The law was already there,) nothing has changed for me... I have not seen any difference. Most people still talk German, the infrastructure has not collapsed, public schools still function, the military and police still have a budget, the courts still function, there have been no real terrorist attacks (Unless you count 2 random dudes with a machete and a dude with a truck as major terrorist attack...), there are not 1000000 million of refugees roaming the streets, women can still go out at night without getting robbed, stabbed or raped...

Edit:
In response to riddlez:

Yeah, I was thinking the same. There are like a billion gun murders every day in the US. There are huge gang wars and entire city blocks owned by gangs. There are city blocks that a non-gang member should not visit and the US has a huge drug problem and has way to much debt to be believable. (Sure I am exaggerating, it is not like that everywhere, but still, you know it is at least partly true) Yet the US people think that refugees are killing Europe, where practically none of the shit noted above is happening.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1_rNT3k2ZXB-f9z-2nSFMIBQKXCs&hl=en_US&ll=51.36119443931468%2C6.969721633496192&z=6

Just because nothing has changed for you doesnt mean there arent problems.

Go to the social workers, the teachers in schools that are placed inside of ghettos, talk with them. A Female Friend of mine was just recently harassed by refugess. There are issues. Lots of them. And people like you are the reason why we cant talk about them in a way that is able to prevent them.

Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 14, 2017, 02:50:09 pm
Yet the US people think that refugees are killing Europe, where practically none of the shit noted above is happening.

They're certainly killing the tourism industry, especially in places like France and Turkey. And again in France they are quite literally roaming the streets and making a mess.

As for killing the continent, nah, they're just speeding things up. The EU is a ticking time bomb, a disaster waiting to destroy eventually destroy Europe (or at least the prominent member states). It's led by the Germans too, go figure.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1_rNT3k2ZXB-f9z-2nSFMIBQKXCs&hl=en_US&ll=51.36119443931468%2C6.969721633496192&z=6

L  O   L

Jokes aside, thank fuck we're burning the bridge.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cara on February 14, 2017, 03:00:18 pm
Yet the US people think that refugees are killing Europe, where practically none of the shit noted above is happening.

They're certainly killing the tourism industry, especially in places like France and Turkey. And again in France they are quite literally roaming the streets and making a mess.

What ? I suppose after all Fox News knows better about my country than myself
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on February 14, 2017, 03:30:48 pm
Carabino, whenever you post here it's always some rhetoric about Fox News that has little to no relevance to the current discussion. Grow the fuck up
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 14, 2017, 03:33:07 pm
Yet the US people think that refugees are killing Europe, where practically none of the shit noted above is happening.

They're certainly killing the tourism industry, especially in places like France and Turkey. And again in France they are quite literally roaming the streets and making a mess.

What ? I suppose after all Fox News knows better about my country than myself

shut up and give money whitey

Spoiler
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cara on February 14, 2017, 03:39:02 pm
Carabino, whenever you post here it's always some rhetoric about Fox News that has little to no relevance to the current discussion. Grow the fuck up

That's funny. I mention it because all I see here about France is some no-go zones alarmist shit. Didn't need a forum achievement to grow up don't worry.

Yet the US people think that refugees are killing Europe, where practically none of the shit noted above is happening.

They're certainly killing the tourism industry, especially in places like France and Turkey. And again in France they are quite literally roaming the streets and making a mess.

What ? I suppose after all Fox News knows better about my country than myself

shut up and give money whitey

Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb3rNkkCAJY
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Yeah this video was taken after a police evacuation of a illegal camp. Sure it's a mess. All this because of the Touquet agreement putting UK-France border in France for all the illegal immigrants who wants to go to the UK. I hope with your departure from the EU we will be free from all this shit and let them freely take a boat to the UK ;)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on February 14, 2017, 03:42:21 pm
I've been to France several times since 2015 and they were roaming the streets and roads of Calais in large numbers on each occasion, screaming at cars and trying to jump on lorries etc. I also saw make-shift camps in Central Paris with tents, litter everywhere, men hanging around in groups and so on. I didn't see any women, maybe a child or two but >95% were grown men. Never been to Germany, however a German friend of mine (a lawyer who I studied with in the UK and now works for regional government) told me last year the refugee system was close to collapse-they're still dealing with a massive backlog of cases and the average wait for a migrant to be seen to have their claim assessed was over a month.

Now of course Olafson claims everything is fine, though if that's the case then why was Merkel so keen to do that deal with Erdogan to close the borders?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on February 14, 2017, 03:52:56 pm
The fact the office of President, the head of the executive branch, can appoint members of the supreme court, members of the judiciary branch, already shows that Checks and Balances in the US is a damn joke.

It's the very definition of a check-and-balance. One power (The president) nominates another power (the judiciary) and that appointment is refused or accepted by the third power (Congress). The judiciary then reviews decisions made by the other two powers independent from them.

PVV lost like 5 seats in the polls. Oh boy.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Rutger Müller on February 14, 2017, 04:20:32 pm

Yes, enjoy your comedy as Europe destroys itself with dindu nuffin arabs protected by the left and the MSM  but yes, lecture us on how we are sheep for wanting to control who comes into our country and actually trying to address the problem that is Radical Islamic Terrorism and its implications

funny you bring that up. Somehow terrorism gets all the attention nowadays. Stll it's no more or less a factual problem than it was 10 years ago - when immigration wasn't an item, an defense budget cuts were massively happening throughout Europe.

The anti-terrorism campaign and the 'radical islam problem' is no more than fearmongering. Terrorism ahsn't ever, is currently not and probably won't ever be an actual threat to the stability of Western countries. I'll start worrying when something like that kills more people than traffic accidents.

Spoiler
Oh wait. Guns do in the US. Makes one think, doesn't it?
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This may be one of the most cucked things I've ever seen. I legitimately feel bad for you and hope that you continue to live in peaceful blissful ignorance for the rest of your life. I sincerely hope that this was a bait for the sake of all Europe
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on February 14, 2017, 04:27:57 pm
Terrorism is on a all-time-low in Europe, though. Political terrorism was more active and and more deadly in the seventies and eighties. Can immigration or radical islam lead to problems that we must overcome? Yeah, sure. But it isn't going to destroy the system. It's just going to cost some money.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on February 14, 2017, 04:29:06 pm
Money that simply isn't there.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 14, 2017, 04:35:50 pm
But it isn't going to destroy the system. It's just going to cost some money.

You're probably the least qualified person on this thread to make such a bold statement. Do you honestly ever learn?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cazasar on February 14, 2017, 05:08:10 pm
Money that simply isn't there.
Gotta disagree there. Its just not being spent properly. The current German administration is doing the so called "Schwarze Null", meaning they are trying to spent the least possible amount of money, wich not only hurts immigration but also infrastructure and such.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on February 14, 2017, 05:24:35 pm
But it isn't going to destroy the system. It's just going to cost some money.

You're probably the least qualified person on this thread to make such a bold statement. Do you honestly ever learn?

Explain to me how it's going to 'destroy' the system.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on February 14, 2017, 05:41:02 pm

Yes, enjoy your comedy as Europe destroys itself with dindu nuffin arabs protected by the left and the MSM  but yes, lecture us on how we are sheep for wanting to control who comes into our country and actually trying to address the problem that is Radical Islamic Terrorism and its implications

funny you bring that up. Somehow terrorism gets all the attention nowadays. Stll it's no more or less a factual problem than it was 10 years ago - when immigration wasn't an item, an defense budget cuts were massively happening throughout Europe.

The anti-terrorism campaign and the 'radical islam problem' is no more than fearmongering. Terrorism ahsn't ever, is currently not and probably won't ever be an actual threat to the stability of Western countries. I'll start worrying when something like that kills more people than traffic accidents.

Spoiler
Oh wait. Guns do in the US. Makes one think, doesn't it?
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This may be one of the most cucked things I've ever seen. I legitimately feel bad for you and hope that you continue to live in peaceful blissful ignorance for the rest of your life. I sincerely hope that this was a bait for the sake of all Europe

Please provide actual arguments as to why I am so horribly wrong like you suggest. Sure the point of traffic accidents is an exaggeration (and is a loose interpretation of Israel's defence minister during the second intifada) but my point still stands.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 14, 2017, 05:43:01 pm
Did I imply it was going to "destroy the system"? No, I believe the system will suffer greatly for years to come. I think the cost will be much more severe than "some money" looking at the long term situation.

Maybe you should reel it in a bit, I was reminding you that your predictions and hindsight have never been correct.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on February 14, 2017, 07:06:57 pm
Terrorism is on a all-time-low in Europe, though. Political terrorism was more active and and more deadly in the seventies and eighties. Can immigration or radical islam lead to problems that we must overcome? Yeah, sure. But it isn't going to destroy the system. It's just going to cost some money.

Source?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on February 14, 2017, 07:18:08 pm
https://qz.com/558597/charted-terror-attacks-in-western-europe-from-the-1970s-to-now/

I'm gonna try and steer the discussion back to the elections: Several polls were published in the last few days and all of them show a steep decline of the PVV, of 5 to 7 seats. One poll puts them already behind the Conservative Liberals. This is the biggest loss or gain for any party since maybe as much as a year. Not really sure what caused it, though.

PVV and VVD made a deal that both of them would not go to one of the biggest TV-debates of the campaign (and the first) if more then four parties were invited. The TV-channel did invite another party (The Greens) and so they refused to come. The debate was cancelled, but after some fierce public reaction it is now back on, with the five parties: The Christian-Democrats, the Social-Liberals, the Greens, the Social-democrats and the Socialists. A time for the Christian-Democrats and Social-Liberals to sweep up some right-wing votes and an opportunity for one of the left-wing parties to get ahead.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on February 14, 2017, 07:21:06 pm
I also read that your current PM won't work with Wilders. True?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cazasar on February 14, 2017, 07:27:13 pm
Isnt the whole issue that most of us have the we fear that the terrorism attack will go up if we dont do anything?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on February 14, 2017, 07:34:39 pm
I also read that your current PM won't work with Wilders. True?

He made a statement that, roughly translated, he has zero expectation of such a coalition working. Which some people felt was ambigious because this meant he would consider the possibility. The entire campaign strategy of his party is

1. Become more populist to appeal to Wilder-voters
2. Tell the rest that you are the only alternative and try to gain strategic voting (aka voting for them to make sure the PVV doesn't become the biggest). There has been some critique on this strategy from political scientists because there isn't really any need for strategic voting in our system. There are no spoiled votes in our PR-system and no party can win a majority in parliament.

Will Rutte eventually do form a coalition with Wilders? Who knows. It certainly isn't impossible. Based on current polls, the alternative would be a coalition of at least 5 parties and maybe even six.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: joer5835 on February 14, 2017, 07:41:54 pm
Prime Minister Rutte and the right wing Liberals are facing a serious credibility issue, which other parties could exploit. Rutte already promised everyone that they would save a 1000 euros a year total through reducing taxes, costs, whatever. That was 2012 and none of this actually happened, which people certainly haven't forgotten. And now the scandal with the Teevendeal goes on again. He has lost a lot of credibility. Plus, his budget cuts have seriously damaged the healthcare sector, which might not be taken lightly by some.

Wilders and his PVV on the other hand is losing momentum. Trump's succes uplifted him but that storm of emotions has subsided. I happen to have known some people that were seriously considering voting for him and funnily enough all of them said that they were shunned away by his very agressive behaviour against Islam. It's one thing to want to close borders, but another to want to shut down Mosques and ban the selling of the Quran. Of course, their opinions are hardly representative for the general public that are considering him, but it's interesting to note. Plus, Wilders photoshopped a rival politician into a Pro-Islam protest photo and shared it as if it was fact. I don't think people will appreciate that kind of dishonesty and mud-flinging. But we'll see.

As for the left, the collapse of the social democrats has opened a vacuum. I don't think they'll be able to recover in time. Their post as the biggest left wing party might be taken by the Greens, which are doing extremely well in the polls the last few months. The Socialists are considered too polite and weak and the Social-Liberals are still considered too right wing for most pure leftist voters. Or we get a splintered left wing, that is also very much a possibility.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on February 14, 2017, 08:16:30 pm
I was more in fear of the Portuguese football fans burning down the city then I was of any of the Muslims selling key-chains while I was in France.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on February 14, 2017, 08:38:59 pm
My experience was the complete opposite - we cancel out :D
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cazasar on February 14, 2017, 08:53:56 pm
It pretty much all comes down where you were in France.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on February 14, 2017, 09:04:56 pm
My experience was the complete opposite - we cancel out :D
The fuckers shot fireworks at the hotel windows. Although one Muslims man who constantly kept getting me as if for the first time when I passed him started to creep me out. We was a little to into selling me a print. The fucking gypsies in Brussels where the worst experience though. Where were you when you got spooked by the mooslims?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on February 14, 2017, 09:29:21 pm
The Eiffel Tower. So many illegal buskers, aggressively pushing wares on any timid looking English family. We noticed, though, that the closer we got to soldiers, the less the buskers pushed. A pair of them grabbed me and fast talked their way into (basically) mugging my dad.
Apart from that, the sheer amount of soldiers on the streets made us feel fairly safe.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on February 14, 2017, 09:51:25 pm
. We noticed, though, that the closer we got to soldiers, the less the buskers pushed.

Guns have that kind of effect on people.

Would hate it if it were to happen in my country though =|
It's a damn shame it's required in France


Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on February 14, 2017, 09:59:13 pm
Say what you want about the US, but when I've been there, I've always felt safe and haven't seen the visible signs of force I saw in Paris. Hell, Capitol Hill seemed less guarded than the Eiffel Tower (though it's really not)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on February 14, 2017, 10:24:06 pm
Canadian Parliament is less guarded then the Eiffel tower and Notre-Dame.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on February 14, 2017, 10:29:29 pm
Source? Post shooting the security is streamlined and more forceful
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on February 14, 2017, 11:02:20 pm
Hell, Capitol Hill seemed less guarded than the Eiffel Tower

Some people are of the opinion that the most succesfull security operations require only a few actual bodies on-site.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cara on February 14, 2017, 11:22:43 pm
The Eiffel Tower. So many illegal buskers, aggressively pushing wares on any timid looking English family. We noticed, though, that the closer we got to soldiers, the less the buskers pushed. A pair of them grabbed me and fast talked their way into (basically) mugging my dad.
Apart from that, the sheer amount of soldiers on the streets made us feel fairly safe.

Did you reach to police officers ? Actually I did a lot of patrols in this area (both in uniform and plain clothes) and I've never seen some muggin right under the Eiffel Tower. Mostly it's inoffensive illegal sellers (picked up every month but they come back, too much money to make with chineses tourists) and some gypsies pickpockets. However, I'm sorry if you had to live this.

Hell, Capitol Hill seemed less guarded than the Eiffel Tower

Some people are of the opinion that the most succesfull security operations require only a few actual bodies on-site.

I would say that the key is the combination of both. Uniforms, visible soldiers and stuff are needed for two reasons : make feel safe the civilians and attract possible attackers (as in the Louvre) or make them change their way to another area where there is CCTV/plain-clothes officers looking for them more discretly.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on February 15, 2017, 02:33:33 am
Source? Post shooting the security is streamlined and more forceful
I think they probably just ramped up guards and surveillance. Nortre-Dame has military patrols with assault rifles. The most you see at parliament is pistols.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on February 15, 2017, 05:02:41 am
Source? Post shooting the security is streamlined and more forceful
I think they probably just ramped up guards and surveillance. Nortre-Dame has military patrols with assault rifles. The most you see at parliament is pistols.
I read somewhere that SMG's were being deployed on-site.
Also, Riddlez, you're 100 percent correct
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on February 20, 2017, 08:07:27 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1_viPSD-bY
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 21, 2017, 12:01:45 am
Trump predicts future live on rally


http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/polis-skot-varningsskott-mot-stenkastare/

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/Lz524/polis-avlossade-varningsskott-mot-stenkastare-i-rinkeby
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on February 21, 2017, 01:07:18 am
Except it wasn't a terrorist attack and it wasn't on friday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1_viPSD-bY

"Let's talk about Swedish issues so we can all forget that our president is an idiot" - American People
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on February 21, 2017, 01:30:02 am
Except it wasn't a terrorist attack and it wasn't on friday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1_viPSD-bY

"Let's talk about Swedish issues so we can all forget that our president is an idiot" - American People

"Lets talk about how Trump is an idiot and ignore everything he has accomplished"

Honestly

If Trump is an idiot, you must be literally retarded because I doubt you have accomplished 1% of the things that man has.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 21, 2017, 03:03:48 am
Except it wasn't a terrorist attack and it wasn't on friday.


"Let's talk about Swedish issues so we can all forget that our president is an idiot" - American People

Hahaha, God forbid anyone critize your beloved EU. I think by even trying to defend some of the EU's worst choices of 2016 you're really just showing us to what extent you'll blindly defend your failing project.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on February 21, 2017, 06:51:09 am
EU is trash and needs a reform but it's still better than no EU.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on February 21, 2017, 07:14:00 am
EU is trash and needs a reform but it's still better than no EU.

why
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cazasar on February 21, 2017, 08:07:48 am
I agree on the EU thing with Furrnox because im German :D

Besides that, saying that Trump meant Terror Attacks specifically is a bit....odd.

"Look at Germany, look what's happening, or what happend last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this. Sweden. They took in large numbers. They're having problems like they never thought possible. You look at what's happening in Brussels. You look at what's happening all over the world. Take a look at Nice. Take a look at Paris."

I mean call me retarded but to me it just sounds like he comments on the increased crime rate and the constant raping cases happening in sweden.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on February 21, 2017, 08:52:34 am
I agree on the EU thing with Furrnox because im German :D

Besides that, saying that Trump meant Terror Attacks specifically is a bit....odd.

"Look at Germany, look what's happening, or what happend last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this. Sweden. They took in large numbers. They're having problems like they never thought possible. You look at what's happening in Brussels. You look at what's happening all over the world. Take a look at Nice. Take a look at Paris."

I mean call me retarded but to me it just sounds like he comments on the increased crime rate and the constant raping cases happening in sweden.

How dare you be reasonable you nazi
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: BabyJesus on February 21, 2017, 03:41:56 pm
Except it wasn't a terrorist attack and it wasn't on friday.


"Let's talk about Swedish issues so we can all forget that our president is an idiot" - American People

Hahaha, God forbid anyone critize your beloved Trump. I think by even trying to defend some of Trumps worst choices you're really just showing us to what extent you'll blindly defend your failing project.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 21, 2017, 04:58:34 pm
Except it wasn't a terrorist attack and it wasn't on friday.


"Let's talk about Swedish issues so we can all forget that our president is an idiot" - American People
God forbid anyone critize your beloved EU. I think by even trying to defend some of the EU's worst choices of 2016 you're really just showing us to what extent you'll blindly defend your failing project.
*something something I pretend to be sitting on the fence so nobody can insult me*

Nice and relevant, you absolute sperg.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on February 21, 2017, 05:41:03 pm
I think there's a strong element of truth in this article so far as the cultural reasons go to explain the rise of populism (even if it is through an anti-Trump lens):
https://www.wsj.com/articles/do-we-still-want-the-west-1487635725

Doesn't deal with the social or economic causes of course but those have already got a lot of airtime (globalisation, identity politics, etc). I still think Trump is a fool who doesn't understand the complexities of the modern world (though granted he has identified a lot of what's going wrong) but there's no denying that he pulled off an incredible win in November. He beat not one but both major US political dynasties, was massively outspent by Clinton and also by Bush (money is usually the deciding factor in US elections), and had the vast bulk of the media establishment against him.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on February 21, 2017, 08:25:49 pm
I think that saying Trump is fool is just wrong.

Reality is not a Forrest Gump movie. You don't just blunder your way into becoming a billionaire. You don't just blunder your way into becoming president of the United States in a landslide victory.

I think there is a key difference between Trump the persona and Trump the person, and I think that is where Trump's brilliance shows. If you look less at what he says and more at why he says it, you begin to see that. For example, this thing with Sweden and all that. Did something actually really happen in Sweden last night? Not really. But it causes controversy and it brings attention to the issue. He wants that spotlight on Sweden, as it is a great case as to why this travel ban (which he is currently rewriting) is a good thing and he has succeeded in doing that as so many people knee jerked like "REEEE NOTHING HAPPENED IN SWEDEN REEEEEEEE".

Really, when you think about it, alot of the "outrage" and "controversy" about Trump really ends up helping him, and I think that is completely intentional on Trump's part.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on February 21, 2017, 08:54:34 pm
I think that saying Trump is fool is just wrong.

Reality is not a Forrest Gump movie. You don't just blunder your way into becoming a billionaire. You don't just blunder your way into becoming president of the United States in a landslide victory.

I think there is a key difference between Trump the persona and Trump the person, and I think that is where Trump's brilliance shows. If you look less at what he says and more at why he says it, you begin to see that. For example, this thing with Sweden and all that. Did something actually really happen in Sweden last night? Not really. But it causes controversy and it brings attention to the issue. He wants that spotlight on Sweden, as it is a great case as to why this travel ban (which he is currently rewriting) is a good thing and he has succeeded in doing that as so many people knee jerked like "REEEE NOTHING HAPPENED IN SWEDEN REEEEEEEE".

Really, when you think about it, a lot of the "outrage" and "controversy" about Trump really ends up helping him, and I think that is completely intentional on Trump's part.
I see where you're coming from. It seems like he's picking most of his cabinet members based off their loyalty or ideological alignment rather then experience or knowledge on their jurisdiction. That would show hes smarter then what people say. I don't think he'll be an effective President as in he makes the country better long term, I think he'll leave a total mess like Bush did but people will say hes doing a great job while hes in office.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on February 21, 2017, 09:10:20 pm
I think that saying Trump is fool is just wrong.

Reality is not a Forrest Gump movie. You don't just blunder your way into becoming a billionaire. You don't just blunder your way into becoming president of the United States in a landslide victory.

I think there is a key difference between Trump the persona and Trump the person, and I think that is where Trump's brilliance shows. If you look less at what he says and more at why he says it, you begin to see that. For example, this thing with Sweden and all that. Did something actually really happen in Sweden last night? Not really. But it causes controversy and it brings attention to the issue. He wants that spotlight on Sweden, as it is a great case as to why this travel ban (which he is currently rewriting) is a good thing and he has succeeded in doing that as so many people knee jerked like "REEEE NOTHING HAPPENED IN SWEDEN REEEEEEEE".

Really, when you think about it, a lot of the "outrage" and "controversy" about Trump really ends up helping him, and I think that is completely intentional on Trump's part.
I see where you're coming from. It seems like he's picking most of his cabinet members based off their loyalty or ideological alignment rather then experience or knowledge on their jurisdiction. That would show hes smarter then what people say. I don't think he'll be an effective President as in he makes the country better long term, I think he'll leave a total mess like Bush did but people will say hes doing a great job while hes in office.

Why do you think that?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on February 21, 2017, 09:28:40 pm
I think that saying Trump is fool is just wrong.

Reality is not a Forrest Gump movie. You don't just blunder your way into becoming a billionaire. You don't just blunder your way into becoming president of the United States in a landslide victory.

I think there is a key difference between Trump the persona and Trump the person, and I think that is where Trump's brilliance shows. If you look less at what he says and more at why he says it, you begin to see that. For example, this thing with Sweden and all that. Did something actually really happen in Sweden last night? Not really. But it causes controversy and it brings attention to the issue. He wants that spotlight on Sweden, as it is a great case as to why this travel ban (which he is currently rewriting) is a good thing and he has succeeded in doing that as so many people knee jerked like "REEEE NOTHING HAPPENED IN SWEDEN REEEEEEEE".

Really, when you think about it, a lot of the "outrage" and "controversy" about Trump really ends up helping him, and I think that is completely intentional on Trump's part.
I see where you're coming from. It seems like he's picking most of his cabinet members based off their loyalty or ideological alignment rather then experience or knowledge on their jurisdiction. That would show hes smarter then what people say. I don't think he'll be an effective President as in he makes the country better long term, I think he'll leave a total mess like Bush did but people will say hes doing a great job while hes in office.

Why do you think that?
Why do I think what? That him going against the interest of the people makes him smart? That's just politics. There is no such thing as a national interest, there's only the interests of its leader. Trump knows the struggles and cares for the PA coal worker like he would a lump of shit on the road where it not for a fact that the coal worker can get him elected. It was brilliant how he targeted PA, MI, WI and OH during the end of the election although I don't know if it was him or advisers who made the suggestion, it worked all the same.

Having looked again I think you wanted to know about him in terms of being an effective president long term. Well the wall is a lot of show really. It serves as a symbol of his stance rather then an fiscally responsible and practical thing. Most Mexicans enter the U.S legally via checkpoints but just don't return to Mexico after their time is up. What I heard a while back - not going to confirm. Mexican drug cartels found methods ages ago of getting around the border fences and checkpoints. The wall will just cost a lot for upkeep and will only do little compared to what simply ramping up immigration security would do. Just like how stopping refugees really isn't going to help people on a large scale, its just going to make his voter base feel more safe which is all he needs. He will likely do serious damage to the environment in the U.S and research into that field. He will likely weaken the U.S position in Europe and across the world if he damages NATO (However its looking like he may take a different approach to this nowdays.) I haven't heard about his long term economic policy, I won't say much in that regard.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on February 21, 2017, 09:37:23 pm
The EU could hardly be called a failed project. In terms of international politcs, it's still taking its baby steps. These things take time to progress. Surely, it's rotten as it is now, but that doesn't mean it can't improve.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on February 21, 2017, 09:42:00 pm
Used to think Trump was playing a very smart game, but not so much anymore. I think he got lucky, came in at the right time and faced a dreadful opponent. Had it been in 2008 or 2012 he would have lost because the economic conditions conducive to Trump's rise just weren't there. I mean he's kinda smart but he's also very ignorant about how the world works-pulling out of TPP was a massive gift to China and it was just plain wrong to say that America's allies in Asia and the Pacific gave nothing back in return for stationing US troops. I think the whole 'Trump says something not fully accurate and shifts national attention' or 'Trump says something controversial on Twitter to distract the media' is largely unintentional (though undoubtedly his inner team have caught onto the latter and started doing it deliberately).

Trump's not that great a businessman-bankrupt four times, beaten by the stock market (I shit you not he'd have been far wealthier by just putting his money into a fund: http://fortune.com/2015/08/20/donald-trump-index-funds/), got his start off his dad, and so on.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Thunderstormer on February 21, 2017, 10:11:48 pm
I think that saying Trump is fool is just wrong.

Reality is not a Forrest Gump movie. You don't just blunder your way into becoming a billionaire. You don't just blunder your way into becoming president of the United States in a landslide victory.


that was not a landslide victory.  Not even close to it.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on February 21, 2017, 10:22:28 pm
I think that saying Trump is fool is just wrong.

Reality is not a Forrest Gump movie. You don't just blunder your way into becoming a billionaire. You don't just blunder your way into becoming president of the United States in a landslide victory.


that was not a landslide victory.  Not even close to it.
Yea true, not even for the electoral college given its history
Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJtskViDg7g
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Thunderstormer on February 22, 2017, 02:37:33 am
I think that saying Trump is fool is just wrong.

Reality is not a Forrest Gump movie. You don't just blunder your way into becoming a billionaire. You don't just blunder your way into becoming president of the United States in a landslide victory.


that was not a landslide victory.  Not even close to it.
Yea true, not even for the electoral college given its history
Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJtskViDg7g
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Yea, there were way larger victories in terms of point differences in the EC, or in the popular vote.  Even in recent history.  The EC victory for trump wasn't that large, and a few of the states that put him over were very very very close. 

and for arguments sake, if you believe in the millions of illegal votes, that would still only possibly give him the popular vote as well by a little.  nothing about it was a landslide victory. 

You would need a massive EC difference, with the states leaning that normally lean to one party being decisively in their favor, and the swing states(with said states being clearly going to one party, not 51-49 or along those lines) going heavily to one party.  Even add in a few of the opposite parties reliable(very red or blue) states switching.  You would also need a very large population difference going for one candidate to be able to say it was a landslide.   


I am guessing Apoc said it to trigger someone, bait someone(yay me) or just wants to make trumps victory sound greater than it was for one reason or another.  none of which are really necessary.  Unless he believes any victory, however small is a landslide, which makes nearly every election a landslide, which means none of them really were.   
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on February 22, 2017, 02:55:12 am
I am guessing Apoc said it to trigger someone, bait someone(yay me) or just wants to make trumps victory sound greater than it was for one reason or another.  none of which are really necessary.  Unless he believes any victory, however small is a landslide, which makes nearly every election a landslide, which means none of them really were.   

Trump's win wasn't a landslide but it was more impressive than just about every other US election in modern history, certainly far bigger than Obama's wins in 2012 and 2008. This was a David vs Goliath contest-Trump had just about every disadvantage going yet still came out on top and proved everyone wrong in the process. I think it was the first time ever that the candidate who spent less actually won, and given the US is a plutocracy that's the most significant point to take away.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on February 22, 2017, 03:16:50 am
I am guessing Apoc said it to trigger someone, bait someone(yay me) or just wants to make trumps victory sound greater than it was for one reason or another.  none of which are really necessary.  Unless he believes any victory, however small is a landslide, which makes nearly every election a landslide, which means none of them really were.   

Trump's win wasn't a landslide but it was more impressive than just about every other US election in modern history, certainly far bigger than Obama's wins in 2012 and 2008. This was a David vs Goliath contest-Trump had just about every disadvantage going yet still came out on top and proved everyone wrong in the process. I think it was the first time ever that the candidate who spent less actually won, and given the US is a plutocracy that's the most significant point to take away.
Numbers wise it wasn't a landslide. However, predictions/polling wise it was, solely because of the probabilities before the election.
When you have a 1 percent chance of winning the day of and win the EC by that wide of a margin, I call that a landslide, even though a real "landslide" is more like Reagan - Mondale.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Thunderstormer on February 22, 2017, 03:44:06 am
I am guessing Apoc said it to trigger someone, bait someone(yay me) or just wants to make trumps victory sound greater than it was for one reason or another.  none of which are really necessary.  Unless he believes any victory, however small is a landslide, which makes nearly every election a landslide, which means none of them really were.   

Trump's win wasn't a landslide but it was more impressive than just about every other US election in modern history, certainly far bigger than Obama's wins in 2012 and 2008. This was a David vs Goliath contest-Trump had just about every disadvantage going yet still came out on top and proved everyone wrong in the process. I think it was the first time ever that the candidate who spent less actually won, and given the US is a plutocracy that's the most significant point to take away.

tbh, the millions spent on ads didn't really do anything, and was just a waste of money.  Every one knew the 2 candidates well enough, especially after the news coverage. both sides could of just abandoned the ads and nothing would of changed, at least for the presidential election imo. it would of saved millions anyways. 


I am guessing Apoc said it to trigger someone, bait someone(yay me) or just wants to make trumps victory sound greater than it was for one reason or another.  none of which are really necessary.  Unless he believes any victory, however small is a landslide, which makes nearly every election a landslide, which means none of them really were.   

Trump's win wasn't a landslide but it was more impressive than just about every other US election in modern history, certainly far bigger than Obama's wins in 2012 and 2008. This was a David vs Goliath contest-Trump had just about every disadvantage going yet still came out on top and proved everyone wrong in the process. I think it was the first time ever that the candidate who spent less actually won, and given the US is a plutocracy that's the most significant point to take away.

if one wants to say it is impressive, or argue it, i can see their point, and depending on what is said, agree with it.  I didn't have any doubt that the race would be close.  i didn't really care what the polls said.  I had that gut feeling it would be close, even after all the various "scandals" both sides had.  sure enough it was.  and i remember some of the polls showing this. 

i didn't see the race being David vs Goliath.  both had their major weaknesses that were clearly shown every single day.(yay being a swing state)  i recall some of the polls being fairly close, and some of the national polls not being too far off the end result(with hillary having more support than trump by a few %)

and i don't really see beating polls or expectations being a landslide.  there are other adjectives one would use, that make sense, rather than saying it is a landslide.(especially in apocs sentence if that is what he was trying to convey)  and his margin in the EC wasn't that large.  he barely got PA and MI.(both by less than a 1% if memory serves)  He got 304(or whatever) by a very thin margin.  and if you want to see a modern landslide victory, look at Nixon vs mcgovern. 

polls are iffy at best.  quite a few of them are bogus. 
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 22, 2017, 10:51:42 pm
(https://i.gyazo.com/ee2f2848c7d9b09a1e691199f2193592.png)

(my take on the Milo situation)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: William on February 22, 2017, 10:57:41 pm
(https://i.gyazo.com/ee2f2848c7d9b09a1e691199f2193592.png)

(my take on the Milo situation)
It's too late in terms of stopping the hate train from the MSM. They've amplified a statement, twisted it out of context and will proceed to try and crucify him, but just like the real Christ, he will arise to finish his work. It also means he can grow his brand out without tying it to Breitbart, the racist and alt-right haven /s
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 23, 2017, 12:15:49 am
Inshallah, he will make it so.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cazasar on February 23, 2017, 06:39:34 am
What happened with milo?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on February 23, 2017, 07:08:12 am
What happened with milo?

Media hit pieces came out basically calling him a pedophile/defending pedophiles

It was an incredibly low blow, specially since Milo was a victim of it as a kid.

Can't say I agree with Milo's viewpoint on sexuality and consent (specially since he is gay), but I feel like that really isn't an issue though. Only reason it was brought up was to discredit the guy because he was getting too popular.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cazasar on February 23, 2017, 09:30:14 am
Tbh, after watching his appearance on the drunken peasants podcast I can understand the medias kind of view. Obviously I disagree with now disregarding everything he says. But his view on homosexuality and how he describes his experience with the priest is so odd and weird its just...very lunatic.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Rutger Müller on February 23, 2017, 08:34:31 pm
he kinda did defend pedo's though...
Think about how fucked up the world is now that orbiting a fucking gay man is seen as conservative. Just end me now fam
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cazasar on February 23, 2017, 08:40:32 pm
he kinda did defend pedo's though...
Think about how fucked up the world is now that orbiting a fucking gay man is seen as conservative. Just end me now fam
I cant really tell when you just meme or when you are legit an edgy neo nazi.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 23, 2017, 08:50:14 pm
he kinda did defend pedo's though...

He didn't, he said the priest was "young and hot" and wanted to diddle him.

It's different from "pedophilia" (the buzzword the media is using to make people gasp), as I said above - it's pederasty.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Rutger Müller on February 23, 2017, 09:12:23 pm
he kinda did defend pedo's though...
Think about how fucked up the world is now that orbiting a fucking gay man is seen as conservative. Just end me now fam
I cant really tell when you just meme or when you are legit an edgy neo nazi.
how is anything I wrote edgy. I simply pointed out that the symbol of anti traditionalism (the homosexual lifestyle) can now be compatible with conservatism

he kinda did defend pedo's though...

He didn't, he said the priest was "young and hot" and wanted to diddle him.

It's different from "pedophilia" (the buzzword the media is using to make people gasp), as I said above - it's pederasty.
using a buzzword doesn't mean that the argument is invalid. We're talking about a 13 year old boy being molested which I and the laws of many countries strangely believe is wrong. I dont hate Milo but im not going to agree with everything someone says just because we agree on a few things, especially if those things are ridiculous as saying child molestation is ok and that it can be a positive experience.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on February 23, 2017, 09:26:37 pm
Tbh, after watching his appearance on the drunken peasants podcast I can understand the medias kind of view. Obviously I disagree with now disregarding everything he says. But his view on homosexuality and how he describes his experience with the priest is so odd and weird its just...very lunatic.

Its understandable, yes, but it was a very strategic hit piece that was made to come out at a particular time. Milo lost his job, a book deal, and an upcoming speech he was doing..
 for something he said over a month ago.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on February 23, 2017, 09:34:17 pm
Tbh, after watching his appearance on the drunken peasants podcast I can understand the medias kind of view. Obviously I disagree with now disregarding everything he says. But his view on homosexuality and how he describes his experience with the priest is so odd and weird its just...very lunatic.

Its understandable, yes, but it was a very strategic hit piece that was made to come out at a particular time. Milo lost his job, a book deal, and an upcoming speech he was doing..
 for something he said over a month ago.
The democrats lost an election over something that happened 4 years ago. kek. Doesn't really matter when you say it does it?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on February 23, 2017, 10:02:48 pm
Tbh, after watching his appearance on the drunken peasants podcast I can understand the medias kind of view. Obviously I disagree with now disregarding everything he says. But his view on homosexuality and how he describes his experience with the priest is so odd and weird its just...very lunatic.

Its understandable, yes, but it was a very strategic hit piece that was made to come out at a particular time. Milo lost his job, a book deal, and an upcoming speech he was doing..
 for something he said over a month ago.
The democrats lost an election over something that happened 4 years ago. kek. Doesn't really matter when you say it does it?

...and its been a controversy since it became public knowledge.

The video in question has been out for over a month on a well known channel. There is no good reason they would have not published these stories already unless they were waiting for an opportune moment to damage the guy as much as they could.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on February 24, 2017, 03:12:10 am
There's isn't a conspiracy behind every corner.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on February 24, 2017, 03:55:31 am
There's isn't a conspiracy behind every corner.

I have some reason to believe otherwise.

https://archive.is/briVl
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: BabyJesus on February 24, 2017, 07:51:51 pm
So black people at the University of Michigan want to be segregated

http://www.dailywire.com/news/13809/university-michigan-student-group-demands-safe-hank-berrien (http://www.dailywire.com/news/13809/university-michigan-student-group-demands-safe-hank-berrien)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Grantrithor on February 24, 2017, 11:24:41 pm
They have to stop calling "non-white" people "coloured". That's a racist term dating back some 50 years. How do these people not see how classifying an entire group of people as being "coloured", ie. their skin is not of the "normal" colour, as not being supremely racist.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 25, 2017, 02:38:09 am
Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLP-2jD1eH0
[close]


Do Americans actually pay to go to a place of "education" full of people like this audience?

Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Rutger Müller on February 25, 2017, 03:46:02 am
They have to stop calling "non-white" people "coloured". That's a racist term dating back some 50 years. How do these people not see how classifying an entire group of people as being "coloured", ie. their skin is not of the "normal" colour, as not being supremely racist.
It wasn't really a racist term it was just how blacks were described in the ~50's and 60's. "Negro" was considered to be too racist so "Colored" was the PC term for the time.
It doesn't really matter anyway there will be a new adjective in 5 years that will be the new not racist term

if i get muted for using "Negro" I'll have to commit FSE genocide as retribution
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on February 25, 2017, 07:30:46 pm
They have to stop calling "non-white" people "coloured". That's a racist term dating back some 50 years. How do these people not see how classifying an entire group of people as being "coloured", ie. their skin is not of the "normal" colour, as not being supremely racist.
It wasn't really a racist term it was just how blacks were described in the ~50's and 60's. "Negro" was considered to be too racist so "Colored" was the PC term for the time.
It doesn't really matter anyway there will be a new adjective in 5 years that will be the new not racist term

if i get muted for using "Negro" I'll have to commit FSE genocide as retribution

(https://i.imgur.com/vvDLkus.png)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Rutger Müller on February 25, 2017, 08:40:35 pm
They have to stop calling "non-white" people "coloured". That's a racist term dating back some 50 years. How do these people not see how classifying an entire group of people as being "coloured", ie. their skin is not of the "normal" colour, as not being supremely racist.
It wasn't really a racist term it was just how blacks were described in the ~50's and 60's. "Negro" was considered to be too racist so "Colored" was the PC term for the time.
It doesn't really matter anyway there will be a new adjective in 5 years that will be the new not racist term

if i get muted for using "Negro" I'll have to commit FSE genocide as retribution

(https://i.imgur.com/vvDLkus.png)
(https://img.4plebs.org/boards/s4s/image/1440/91/1440918631475.gif)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on February 25, 2017, 11:35:31 pm
Interesting: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/25/netherlands-holds-inquiry-whether-could-ditch-euro/
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on February 26, 2017, 07:28:03 pm
Interesting: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/25/netherlands-holds-inquiry-whether-could-ditch-euro/

Generally these things make international press beacuse of supposed 'bold statement' like 'ditchgin the euro'. It isn't even close to something like that. It's really nothing more than literally investigating all possible options - whether or not they're realistic. They do the same every now and again to see how they could close the budget deficit, and each time 'abolishing the army' is one of them. Which is technically true, but would be political dynamite. ERgo: the council of state won't look into how realistic any choice would be, just the possible ones.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Grantrithor on February 26, 2017, 07:52:45 pm
They have to stop calling "non-white" people "coloured". That's a racist term dating back some 50 years. How do these people not see how classifying an entire group of people as being "coloured", ie. their skin is not of the "normal" colour, as not being supremely racist.
It wasn't really a racist term it was just how blacks were described in the ~50's and 60's. "Negro" was considered to be too racist so "Colored" was the PC term for the time.
It doesn't really matter anyway there will be a new adjective in 5 years that will be the new not racist term

if i get muted for using "Negro" I'll have to commit FSE genocide as retribution

say hello to the gulag
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on February 26, 2017, 08:20:54 pm
Interesting: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/25/netherlands-holds-inquiry-whether-could-ditch-euro/

Generally these things make international press beacuse of supposed 'bold statement' like 'ditchgin the euro'. It isn't even close to something like that. It's really nothing more than literally investigating all possible options - whether or not they're realistic. They do the same every now and again to see how they could close the budget deficit, and each time 'abolishing the army' is one of them. Which is technically true, but would be political dynamite. ERgo: the council of state won't look into how realistic any choice would be, just the possible ones.

Meh, when Italy leaves the Eurozone (only a matter of time) others will follow and it'll collapse.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on February 28, 2017, 09:06:10 am
Bring back the US politics thread

Nothing happens on this thread, just abit of speculation.

It'll be a meme in a few months when literally everyone is wrong, but would prefer stuff to happen.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on February 28, 2017, 09:52:37 am
The moderation team isn't quite keen on opening the US politics thread. Not suprising since it gets shut down every month or so because quite a number of people can't keep themselves from becoming majorly triggered and calling anything disagreeing with them a retard.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Rutger Müller on February 28, 2017, 11:28:48 am
m8 some ppl are retards, its our civic duty to let em know
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 28, 2017, 08:16:05 pm
The moderation team isn't quite keen on opening the US politics thread. Not suprising since it gets shut down every month or so because quite a number of people can't keep themselves from becoming majorly triggered and calling anything disagreeing with them a retard.

Threads only started being closed after nationalism utterly raped globalism late 2016... how strange.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on February 28, 2017, 08:58:07 pm
US Politics thread being toxic? That's not new.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on February 28, 2017, 09:25:11 pm
The moderation team isn't quite keen on opening the US politics thread. Not suprising since it gets shut down every month or so because quite a number of people can't keep themselves from becoming majorly triggered and calling anything disagreeing with them a retard.

Threads only started being closed after nationalism utterly raped globalism late 2016... how strange.
You dirty racist
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on February 28, 2017, 09:57:45 pm
The moderation team isn't quite keen on opening the US politics thread. Not suprising since it gets shut down every month or so because quite a number of people can't keep themselves from becoming majorly triggered and calling anything disagreeing with them a retard.

Threads only started being closed after nationalism utterly raped globalism late 2016... how strange.
You dirty racist

Get racists off our threads.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on February 28, 2017, 10:57:05 pm
Fuck, it's true....

cuff me Duuring
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: BabyJesus on February 28, 2017, 10:59:02 pm
Just ban fancy and fraudbear and the thread will be golden
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Rutger Müller on March 01, 2017, 02:36:35 am
Just ban fancy and fraudbear and the thread will be golden
jokes on u, i wont even be here after next month. I'll be the next martyr
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Peppers on March 01, 2017, 03:56:43 am
Just ban fancy and fraudbear and the thread will be golden
jokes on u, i wont even be here after next month. I'll be the next martyr
I am the OG martyr of the right on here.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on March 01, 2017, 04:51:34 am
Just ban fancy and fraudbear and the thread will be golden
jokes on u, i wont even be here after next month. I'll be the next martyr
I am the OG martyr of the right on here.

then be the matyr we need and get the thread unlocked
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on March 01, 2017, 12:10:06 pm
The moderation team isn't quite keen on opening the US politics thread. Not suprising since it gets shut down every month or so because quite a number of people can't keep themselves from becoming majorly triggered and calling anything disagreeing with them a retard.

Threads only started being closed after nationalism utterly raped globalism late 2016... how strange.

You know this isn't true, the US politics thread was shut down on multiple occasions, throughout 2016, and before.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on March 01, 2017, 02:04:02 pm
Shhhh Riddlez let him think he's right.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 01, 2017, 06:11:45 pm
Shhhh Riddlez let him think he's right.

1) Almost 6000 posts of garbage (look how active I am mods!!)
2) Constantly agrees with moderators
3) Donator
4) Panda wearing a red star as avatar

Yup, everything checks out.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: junedragon on March 01, 2017, 06:17:16 pm
ShariaBlue has compiled a list using Reddit Enhancement Suite tags of known Trump supporters on Reddit to share with their people astroturfing it. I am on the list tagged as "Trumpette" in fuchsia lmao. If you have posted anything pro-Trump on Reddit, you may be too! See here (ctrl+f is your friend):

https://paste.ee/p/PoQRk
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: BlueMoon_IT on March 01, 2017, 07:33:19 pm
Shhhh Riddlez let him think he's right.

1) Almost 6000 posts of garbage (look how active I am mods!!)
2) Constantly agrees with moderators
3) Donator
4) Panda wearing a red star as avatar

Yup, everything checks out.
Checked.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: BabyJesus on March 01, 2017, 07:52:28 pm
The moderation team isn't quite keen on opening the US politics thread. Not suprising since it gets shut down every month or so because quite a number of people can't keep themselves from becoming majorly triggered and calling anything disagreeing with them a retard.

Threads only started being closed after nationalism utterly raped globalism late 2016... how strange.

You know this isn't true, the US politics thread was shut down on multiple occasions, throughout 2016, and before.
it was shutdown because of the same people each time. #BanFancy
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on March 02, 2017, 12:48:35 am
Shhhh Riddlez let him think he's right.

1) Almost 6000 posts of garbage (look how active I am mods!!)
2) Constantly agrees with moderators
3) Donator
4) Panda wearing a red star as avatar

Yup, everything checks out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEbJJPwOe_Q
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on March 02, 2017, 01:20:01 am
I think I made'im salty guys.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on March 02, 2017, 01:34:53 am
You call THAT Salty? Where the hell have you been posting for your 6000 posts?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on March 02, 2017, 01:40:31 am
Dude, I haven't played NW for years now. I haven't even looked at the FSE forums in ages.

I just pop in once in a while to see if everyone's OK.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Rutger Müller on March 02, 2017, 01:41:03 am
Shhhh Riddlez let him think he's right.

1) Almost 6000 posts of garbage (look how active I am mods!!)
2) Constantly agrees with moderators
3) Donator
4) Panda wearing a red star as avatar

Yup, everything checks out.
Checked.
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Foriginal%2F000%2F948%2F911%2Fed7.jpg&hash=baf331bcab61a55351f103460784a11f2d860deb)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on March 02, 2017, 01:48:06 am
Shhhh Riddlez let him think he's right.

1) Almost 6000 posts of garbage (look how active I am mods!!)
2) Constantly agrees with moderators
3) Donator
4) Panda wearing a red star as avatar

Yup, everything checks out.
Classic Clearly, disappearing for months on end to show his activity :)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on March 02, 2017, 01:49:57 am
Heh, nice to see ya too Conway. Glad to see you're still about.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on March 02, 2017, 06:40:20 am
Shhhh Riddlez let him think he's right.

1) Almost 6000 posts of garbage (look how active I am mods!!)
2) Constantly agrees with moderators
3) Donator
4) Panda wearing a red star as avatar

Yup, everything checks out.
Classic Clearly, disappearing for months on end to show his activity :)

yeah you right

he must be super inactive to have 4 posts a day

Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZJDYlxkM-c
[close]
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on March 02, 2017, 07:55:07 am
This is the part where I tell you people to get back on topic and pointing out it was because stuff like this that the US thread gets shut down all the time.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on March 02, 2017, 07:57:13 am
This is the part where I tell you Mods being so heavy handed in controlling the conversation is why this community is dying.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on March 02, 2017, 07:59:48 am
My goal here is, is to keep insults towards a person and general discussion that really does nothing but stir up shit, away from a thread with already sensitive discussion.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on March 02, 2017, 08:08:00 am
All that I see here is Rick saying he is a shill, some people agree/disagreeing. This is far from shit. Though, you are right. This is why the US thread gets locked all the time, because for some reason locking threads seems to be done quite lightly around here. Stopping conversation is, afterall, how communities thrive I am sure.

INB4 I get muted for Off Topic, "Take this to somewhere else abit less public where the mods can ignore you easier"

I would say cuff me Riddlez, but I know you have no power here. Go get the Sheriff.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 02, 2017, 04:25:32 pm
You're just proving my point Riddlez. ClearlyInvisible takes a random swipe at me then has to be saved by mod buddies once I fire back.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Windflower on March 02, 2017, 08:25:30 pm
Shhhh Riddlez let him think he's right.

1) Almost 6000 posts of garbage (look how active I am mods!!)
2) Constantly agrees with moderators
3) Donator
4) Panda wearing a red star as avatar

Yup, everything checks out.
Checked.
What a great roast.

A modern classic.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on March 02, 2017, 10:01:01 pm
Now Im confused.

I haven't posted here in months. Where did the four posts a day thing come from?

Is my rate still that high from when I was active here?

Also to this obviously politically charged username dude, Im stating evidence from the past. The US thread was shut down a horrific amount of times from 2014-2015 because shit generally just got messy.

Sorry you took it personally man, but you're just not correct here.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Rutger Müller on March 02, 2017, 10:15:36 pm
yes very good, we wouldn't want any of that problematic thinking would we
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on March 02, 2017, 10:21:02 pm
Now Im confused.

I haven't posted here in months. Where did the four posts a day thing come from?

Is my rate still that high from when I was active here?

Also to this obviously politically charged username dude, Im stating evidence from the past. The US thread was shut down a horrific amount of times from 2014-2015 because shit generally just got messy.

Sorry you took it personally man, but you're just not correct here.

Correct me if I am wrong

But I am pretty sure the US Politics Thread was started in 2016.

I believe a UK thread was made around Brexit time/abit before

and then BabyJesus decided to make the US politics thread saying "Since there is a UK thread I'm guessing this is allowed." during like November of 2016.

So how would it be possible it was locked a horrific amount of times in 2014-2015?

I think it was just 2016 that Duuring really kept his hand on the Lock trigger to be honest.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 02, 2017, 11:38:07 pm
Now Im confused.

I haven't posted here in months. Where did the four posts a day thing come from?

Is my rate still that high from when I was active here?

Also to this obviously politically charged username dude, Im stating evidence from the past. The US thread was shut down a horrific amount of times from 2014-2015 because shit generally just got messy.

Sorry you took it personally man, but you're just not correct here.

Correct me if I am wrong

But I am pretty sure the US Politics Thread was started in 2016.

I believe a UK thread was made around Brexit time/abit before

and then BabyJesus decided to make the US politics thread saying "Since there is a UK thread I'm guessing this is allowed." during like November of 2016.

So how would it be possible it was locked a horrific amount of times in 2014-2015?

I think it was just 2016 that Duuring really kept his hand on the Lock trigger to be honest.

Pretty much-I made the UK thread because the "general" politics thread was basically 99% about US politics so it was somewhere to discuss Brexit.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 03, 2017, 12:18:17 am
What a great roast.

A modern classic.

I couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on March 03, 2017, 01:10:13 am
Right, what Chinton said. Sorry, my memory's utter trash.

But yeah, the Gen Politics thread always ended up getting locked and purged and edited and yada yada yada. Shit, this was before Duuring was even a mod. Back when Riddlez was still outside of the community. Does anyone remember who the forum mods were back then?

Either way my point stands, stuff always got ugly.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on March 03, 2017, 03:10:41 am
Right, what Chinton said. Sorry, my memory's utter trash.

But yeah, the Gen Politics thread always ended up getting locked and purged and edited and yada yada yada. Shit, this was before Duuring was even a mod. Back when Riddlez was still outside of the community. Does anyone remember who the forum mods were back then?

Either way my point stands, stuff always got ugly.

I don't remember it that way. As I said, I think it really think the locking intensified for no good reason in 2016 (Like Rick suggested)

But I dunno. You did manage to discredit both yourself and Riddlez in a single post though, both of the people arguing that locking has not intensified, by claiming your memory is shit and saying Riddlez was outside of the community.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on March 03, 2017, 05:10:30 am
*Shrug* Hey man, Im just one dude with a keyboard. I've got the same weight as you do, or any other dude with a keyboard.

What were we talking about again?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on March 03, 2017, 05:28:04 am
why're you back?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on March 03, 2017, 05:28:28 am
That the admins need to unlock the US politics thread
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Rutger Müller on March 03, 2017, 06:08:25 am
*Shrug* Hey man, Im just one dude with a keyboard. I've got the same weight as you do, or any other dude with a keyboard.

What were we talking about again?
...he thinks he has the same weight as me
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/95/e9/cd/95e9cd2a14f19068f8478a296a5903a3.jpg)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Grantrithor on March 03, 2017, 06:20:29 pm
arm wrassle tournament to settle this dispute when?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 03, 2017, 10:47:15 pm
*Shrug* Hey man, Im just one dude with a keyboard. I've got the same weight as you do, or any other dude with a keyboard.

What were we talking about again?
...he thinks he has the same weight as me
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/95/e9/cd/95e9cd2a14f19068f8478a296a5903a3.jpg)

This is good proof that black national-socialists exist.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: BabyJesus on March 04, 2017, 05:02:28 am
/lock
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on March 04, 2017, 06:48:49 pm
No, I won't lock this thread, or any thread, as easily as some other moderators. I am much more for individual punishment.

That said, I will ask you one more time to get this topic back on topic, or this:

Go get the Sheriff.

Is exactly what I'll do.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on March 04, 2017, 08:07:36 pm
No, I won't lock this thread, or any thread, as easily as some other moderators.

Because you can't. You literally have no power here. You literally have no more power here than I do.

That said, I will ask you one more time to get this topic back on topic, or this:

Go get the Sheriff.

Is exactly what I'll do.

Then do it? It's what I asked for isn't it? If I can't get him here, maybe you can. I am curious if he is still alive, and if he has changed his policy of locking threads/muting people first and watching the community die later.

Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Thunderstormer on March 04, 2017, 09:00:51 pm
This thread is for : Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread, not for whatever thing you dislike about mods, the rules, CRs, or for whatever other offtopic topic.

Now get back on topic, and pm/steam duuring if you want to talk to him about something, or talk to a CR.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on March 04, 2017, 09:10:18 pm
This thread is for : Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread, not for whatever thing you dislike about mods, the rules, CRs, or for whatever other offtopic topic.

Now get back on topic, and pm/steam duuring if you want to talk to him about something, or talk to a CR.

Will he actually respond or care?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: BabyJesus on March 06, 2017, 08:56:41 am
Lmao. Bears actually put a school on lockdown. God bless Betsy Devoss

http://www.freep.com/story/news/nation/2017/03/02/betsy-devos/98635018/ (http://www.freep.com/story/news/nation/2017/03/02/betsy-devos/98635018/)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on March 06, 2017, 11:29:21 am
Lmao. Bears actually put a school on lockdown. God bless Betsy Devoss

http://www.freep.com/story/news/nation/2017/03/02/betsy-devos/98635018/ (http://www.freep.com/story/news/nation/2017/03/02/betsy-devos/98635018/)

That bear was a plant. Don't believe the lies.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Rutger Müller on March 07, 2017, 10:31:28 pm
"The General Political Thread"
doesn't this include the politics of FSE?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on March 08, 2017, 12:09:44 am
"The General Political Thread"
doesn't this include the politics of FSE?

Nothing in the title displays otherwise.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 08, 2017, 12:51:11 am
Dutch elections in a little over a week, what are the predictions? I reckon Wilders will lead the largest party but will get nowhere near government. Also Rutte won't stay on as PM either-you can't lose almost half your support verses last time and still carry on.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: joer5835 on March 08, 2017, 01:02:18 am
Polls are suggesting that Wilders has fallen behind Rutte since last week. It's likely that Wilders will remain as the head of the opposition, a role he seems most comfortable with. That and no other party would be willing to work with him, even if he does turn out the largest.

My predictions are that Rutte and his VVD will remain the largest, he will remain PM and will seek a coalition with the centrist parties, D66, CDA and perhaps even the Greens.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on March 08, 2017, 11:11:23 am
I am not as optimistic. The margins in the polls are still too small to say Rutte has overtaken Wilders. In the last week before the elections, both of them can still make a major fuck-up.
My guess is that Wilders will become the largest party, will be unable to form a coalition, no other workable coalition will form and we'll have a second set of elections in half a year.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 08, 2017, 09:46:56 pm
I wouldn't discount the possibility that the polls are completely wrong and understate the support for Wilders, much like they did for Brexit and Trump. If Wilders does far better than the polling implies then perhaps Le Pen could be on course for victory (which the polls state can't happen).
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on March 09, 2017, 12:39:55 am
Kinda interested in seeing the first French presidential debate on the 20th if there's any site available with proper English subtitles. I doubt it though live subs tend to be pretty off.

I wouldn't discount the possibility that the polls are completely wrong and understate the support for Wilders, much like they did for Brexit and Trump. If Wilders does far better than the polling implies then perhaps Le Pen could be on course for victory (which the polls state can't happen).

According to current polls she will at least go to the second round.
Where she will face off against Macron if it goes according to the polls.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cara on March 09, 2017, 02:01:38 am
I will check this later but i'm sure I can find you a transcription (or decent subtitles) made for France's international TV like France 24.

Polls in France were (to this date) quite accurate and all showing the same global possibility of a second round Le Pen-Macron, even right-wing medias newspapers (pro Fillon). Fillon and Macron were pretty close for a few month but now the gap is clear after his scandal. It's quite impossible that Le Pen passes due to the strong opposition that will raise if she qualifies for the second round (as in 2002 with her father). The interesting and sad fact is that her opponent will win but with probably a lesser gap (Chirac-Le Pen was a 80/2 and here it will be a 60/40).
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on March 09, 2017, 12:02:21 pm
I wouldn't discount the possibility that the polls are completely wrong and understate the support for Wilders, much like they did for Brexit and Trump. If Wilders does far better than the polling implies then perhaps Le Pen could be on course for victory (which the polls state can't happen).

It has been actually the opposite. A lot of Wilders-voters say they support him, but don't show up to vote. Usually because they don't trust the system, or quite very well possibly this election, because he has been completely isolated by all relevant parties. He has no chance of forming a government at all.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 10, 2017, 11:21:02 pm
Inshallah Dutch Trump will win.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on March 10, 2017, 11:24:39 pm
Inshallah Dutch Trump will win.
French Trump? Inshallah?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 11, 2017, 01:52:18 am
Mashallah, soon brother.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: MaxLam on March 11, 2017, 02:07:17 pm
New documentary about FSE shitposters:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JyTW4Rg2tE
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on March 11, 2017, 10:16:26 pm
So...... Turkey is trying to interfere with the sovereignty of my country?

Top kek. Bring it.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on March 11, 2017, 10:58:08 pm
They did it just a few days ago with Germany too. But Germany has no balls and did nothing.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: joer5835 on March 11, 2017, 11:52:53 pm
It's Erdogan's typical response to everything these days:

'You don't agree with me, so that means you must be Nazis. You're wrong and I am right.'
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 12, 2017, 12:16:25 am
So...... Turkey is trying to interfere with the sovereignty of my country?

Top kek. Bring it.

Makes a change from the EU doing it I guess.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on March 12, 2017, 03:35:21 am
It's a power game to them. And they always win.

Get kicked out - 'Look, they are nazi's and hate us!"

Allowed to stay - "Look how strong we are!"

What worries me more is the behavior of Turkish Dutchmen in this whole incident.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cazasar on March 12, 2017, 09:30:40 am
Turkish riots in Rotterdamm dutch police showed them who is boss. Shows you how great integration worked lel
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 12, 2017, 10:22:56 am
Shows you how great integration worked lel

None of the governments gave a damn about integration, let's be honest. Being branded a Nazi was just too scary in 2016 to worry about that.

Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cazasar on March 12, 2017, 10:39:08 am
Well the thing is, almost all other minorities fit in just fine. In germany we have tons of russians, vietnamese, polish people etc. But they tried to fit in on their own. Some turkish people do that to, heck one of my best friends is turkish and more german then I will ever be. But people like him are the minoritie when it comes to immigration from muslim countries.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 12, 2017, 11:35:42 am
I can relate. However, all the "western" Muslims I know were born and raised in the West and didn't have strictly religious parents. That's a true rarity.

Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on March 12, 2017, 12:10:54 pm
The influence Ankara has over these people is troubling and with the internet nowadays, it's hard to stop them from being influenced. Personally I don't see these people protesting my government (and to some extent the sovereignty of this country) as my fellow countrymen. They are, however, still Dutch citizens and because they're in the NEtherlands they're protected by our constitution, which means that we can't just deport them to where their loyalties lie, which is disappointing in this case but really its'good we can't just kick out anyone the government doesn't like.


And seriously, it was like 300 people. Who gives a shit, really?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: joer5835 on March 12, 2017, 12:50:59 pm
It raises the question why they want to have Dutch citizenship when they support Erdogan, a man who is against every principle our country stands for.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 12, 2017, 01:26:10 pm
What worries me more is the behavior of Turkish Dutchmen in this whole incident.

Lol, I think you mean they're Turkish people who happen to have Dutch passports. Clearly they're more loyal to Ankara than to Amsterdam.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Brave Sir Charge on March 12, 2017, 02:19:38 pm
It's Erdogan's typical response to everything these days:

'You don't agree with me, so that means you must be Nazis. You're wrong and I am right.'
imo, Erdocunt is the biggest nazi around.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Karth on March 12, 2017, 03:50:24 pm
While Turkey and the Netherlands have their war of words we are low key invading Syria  8)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on March 12, 2017, 05:33:34 pm
It raises the question why they want to have Dutch citizenship when they support Erdogan, a man who is against every principle our country stands for.

Because better standards of living, work, healthcare and all that shite.
They don't understand that when you are guest (or well... "part of it") in a different country you should behave to their rules. I think it's just Turkish mentality.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 12, 2017, 08:22:32 pm
They don't understand that when you are guest (or well... "part of it") in a different country you should behave to their rules. I think it's just Turkish mentality.

And that's what your guests have been doing, is it?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on March 12, 2017, 10:27:19 pm
While Turkey and the Netherlands have their war of words we are low key invading Syria  8)

I read it on a military news site, indeed. Quite interesting. Especially the part where they were deploying infantry, but they wouldn't at all be deployed to the front *rolls eyes*


Lol, I think you mean they're Turkish people who happen to have Dutch passports. Clearly they're more loyal to Ankara than to Amsterdam.

The Hague*  but I agree completely.
The mayor of Rotterdam handled the situation very well, though. The riots could've been much worse.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Karth on March 12, 2017, 11:43:32 pm
Spoiler
While Turkey and the Netherlands have their war of words we are low key invading Syria  8)

I read it on a military news site, indeed. Quite interesting. Especially the part where they were deploying infantry, but they wouldn't at all be deployed to the front *rolls eyes*


Lol, I think you mean they're Turkish people who happen to have Dutch passports. Clearly they're more loyal to Ankara than to Amsterdam.

The Hague*  but I agree completely.
The mayor of Rotterdam handled the situation very well, though. The riots could've been much worse.
[close]
With over 700 there already it's pretty much an invasion, and on my mil hub there's a deployment of nearly 3000 82nd airborne boys to Syria very soon.

Does Erdogan want to fight every country?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on March 13, 2017, 11:46:20 am
The Great thing is that Turkey is part of NATO.

Yet it has big troubles with Greece and now pisses off a lot of other countries too.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on March 13, 2017, 11:51:02 am
Does Erdogan want to fight every country?

Not nessecarily, but I don't tihnk he gives a shit at the moment. He has a constitutional amendment on a referendum to give the president more power, extend term limits and thta sort of power-grabbing dictator-y bullshit. The point is, he doesn't have a majority yet, so he tries to portray himself as a strong man who can handle any great nation nad tries to show he has Europe by the balls.

Kind of silly. Erdogan is digging his own grave at the moment.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: William on March 13, 2017, 06:03:36 pm
Kek
https://www.thelocal.se/20120614/41442 (https://www.thelocal.se/20120614/41442)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: joer5835 on March 13, 2017, 06:55:16 pm
Kek
https://www.thelocal.se/20120614/41442 (https://www.thelocal.se/20120614/41442)

That is a fucking wild ride of a news article. I am not sure if I believe it. Sounds like a typical 19 year old boasting about himself.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 13, 2017, 09:45:21 pm
"The 19-year-old, who came to Sweden as a refugee in 2010, had lived with the royal couple, and Magnuson had acted as his mentor"

Crown Jewel stealing refugees. Alrite.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 13, 2017, 11:08:33 pm
https://www.thelocal.se/20170313/turkish-politician-campaigns-in-stockholm

Sweden Yes!
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: BlueMoon_IT on March 13, 2017, 11:32:32 pm
"The 19-year-old, who came to Sweden as a refugee in 2010, had lived with the royal couple, and Magnuson had acted as his mentor"

Crown Jewel stealing refugees. Alrite.
This is getting funnier and funnier ahahah SWEDEN YES!
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Rutger Müller on March 14, 2017, 12:00:10 am
Spoiler
While Turkey and the Netherlands have their war of words we are low key invading Syria  8)

I read it on a military news site, indeed. Quite interesting. Especially the part where they were deploying infantry, but they wouldn't at all be deployed to the front *rolls eyes*


Lol, I think you mean they're Turkish people who happen to have Dutch passports. Clearly they're more loyal to Ankara than to Amsterdam.

The Hague*  but I agree completely.
The mayor of Rotterdam handled the situation very well, though. The riots could've been much worse.
[close]
With over 700 there already it's pretty much an invasion, and on my mil hub there's a deployment of nearly 3000 82nd airborne boys to Syria very soon.

Does Erdogan want to fight every country?
82nd... kek
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 14, 2017, 05:16:28 pm
Erdogan has started talking about Dutch cowardice in Srebrenica. Damn he went there lol.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39270095
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Brave Sir Charge on March 14, 2017, 05:20:10 pm
I thought nazi's and muslims where friendly?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Karth on March 14, 2017, 05:50:55 pm
I thought nazi's and muslims where friendly?
Yea, hitler had many Muslim allies
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Brave Sir Charge on March 14, 2017, 05:54:05 pm
So according to Erdocunt, We killed our friends?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on March 14, 2017, 05:54:33 pm
Erdogan has started talking about Dutch cowardice in Srebrenica. Damn he went there lol.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39270095

He speaks of mass murder and cowardice.
It is a low move and I agree with our prime minister: it is pure forged history, it doesn't even come close to what he claims it is. But then again, it's irrelevant because it's what the Turks want to hear.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 14, 2017, 06:52:53 pm
This is hilarious, I think Erdogan is genuinely retarded. I have friends in west Turkey who told me about how bad Erdogan is for tourism (that and ISIS obviously) so I thought the public resented him. After Rotterdam and the coup I find the reality of the average Turk's fanaticism quite scary. 

So according to Erdocunt, We killed our friends?

It's funny, I'd have thought Amin al-Husseini was one of Erdogan's heroes.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: joer5835 on March 14, 2017, 07:11:08 pm
Sure, we deliberately killed 8000 in Srebenica. And we're all going to forget about the Armenian Genoice, Mr. Erdogan? 1.5 million deaths that you still do not wish to admit was a deliberate genoice? Or that it even happened?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: William on March 14, 2017, 11:57:25 pm
Praise Kek --> ~7:50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k8NCCki5rQ#t=7m52s
Quote from: Rough Translation
In the islam you have mohammed. Mohammed was a war-lord, as it is called, a warlord(but he uses different word now but same meaning). (he) was a pedophile. (he) Was somebody who beheaded jews in forests. (he) Was somebody who, in his mekka and medina time, very aggresive was. Is until this day, in contradiction to jesus, an inspiration to people along with allah. You know that last year with all those attacks in Germany and entire Europe, They all shouted ''allahu akbar'' before they slit the throat of priests in Paris. That is the islam. I dont have to tell you that mohammed isnt jesus right? And if we dont defend ourself from that, if we dont have the courage to see the islam for what it is, and it isnt only jihad, its islam itself who is making sure that if we are looking (politically) correct away, that we will soon as the netherlands and the free West will cease to exist. And we can never tolerate that.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on March 15, 2017, 12:47:42 am
That's a nice bulletproof vest he's wearing.

Anyway, it's march 15 here. A few polling stations will open in about 5 hours, most will do so 3 hours later. They close at 21 PM local time (20 GMT), at which we will get the first exit polls. Not sure when we will get the first official results, could be anywhere from 10 to 2 am in the morning. Schiermonninkoog, an island muncipality with only a few hundred voters will be in first, as tradition. Final results might not be in until friday and with very close results where a single seat might give possible coalitions a majority, it will be interesting to see what happens. See you on the other side.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on March 15, 2017, 01:37:52 am
I offer you a bed(couch) and roof above of your head in case you need to escape the Netherlands quickly.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: MrTiki on March 15, 2017, 01:47:20 am
@William Don't just leave out the response regarding freedom of religion.
Quote
...but, if you treasure freedom, if you enjoy it and appreciate it, then you also give that to others, even if they don't share [your religion], and that is a freedom that is stronger than any threat, and that is a freedom that I defend.



What's an Armenian Genocide? I only see stronk Ottomans. Also did you know that Erdogan backwards spells Ataturk?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 15, 2017, 02:33:08 am
That's a nice bulletproof vest he's wearing.

Merkel rides around in a bullet proof limo that is resistant to explosives and is escorted by a small army of guards with handguns and SMGs. I think having any political ideology is dangerous in Europe  ;D

@William Don't just leave out the response regarding freedom of religion.
Quote
...but, if you treasure freedom, if you enjoy it and appreciate it, then you also give that to others, even if they don't share [your religion], and that is a freedom that is stronger than any threat, and that is a freedom that I defend.

Can't the Dutch MPs just block Wilders by defecting to other parties? Correct me if I'm wrong, though.

Freedom or the concept of democracy doesn't exist in Europe and is shunned when proposed, it seems.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on March 15, 2017, 02:46:43 am
Which political leader of a major nation is not running around with bodyguards and is driving bulletproof cars?
It only makes sense.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on March 15, 2017, 08:03:30 am
Wilders is already blocked anyway: no other party will form any coalition with him.


EDIT: any relevant party, that is.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on March 15, 2017, 12:07:13 pm
Can't the Dutch MPs just block Wilders by defecting to other parties? Correct me if I'm wrong, though.

Freedom or the concept of democracy doesn't exist in Europe and is shunned when proposed, it seems.

Not sure what you mean. Defecting to other parties is extremely uncommon in the Netherlands and I can't rightly remember it ever happening. Splitting from a party and becoming independent is quite common though. We had no less then eight seats splitting from their faction in the last four years. Six out of those formed their own party, of which only two have a real shot of returning to parliament.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 15, 2017, 02:38:27 pm
I'm awaiting Duuring's prediction
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on March 15, 2017, 05:04:19 pm
There's not really anything to predict. Our system doesn't provide one 'winner', up to four parties could become the biggest and several minor parties might or might not make it into parliament. I'm hoping for a D66 victory, even though I did not vote for them. It would be a great example if we had a strong pro-EU prime minister.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: joer5835 on March 15, 2017, 05:31:52 pm
VVD, PVV, CDA, D66 and GL are all able to become the biggest. It's a very close race, but I am expecting VVD to come out narrowly on top. But it has to be said, our system is a proportional representation system, so there is no 'winner takes all' system in place. So it's difficult to really call someone 'the winner'. What I personally find far more interesting is that several minor parties with a few seats are projected to gain a lot of seats this election, especially GL.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 15, 2017, 06:06:31 pm
Well, since nobody's brave enough to make a prediction, I'll say the polls will be proven wrong and PVV will be the biggest party. Wilders has no chance of becoming PM of course.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on March 15, 2017, 09:39:47 pm
Exit polls put VVD at 31 and PVV, CDA and D66 at 19.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: joer5835 on March 15, 2017, 09:43:16 pm
Voter turnout is good, supposedly around 80%. We'll see if anything changes overnight.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on March 15, 2017, 10:51:05 pm
Well, since nobody's brave enough to make a prediction, I'll say the polls will be proven wrong and PVV will be the biggest party. Wilders has no chance of becoming PM of course.

Well, you seem to be wrong.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 15, 2017, 11:06:46 pm
Well, since nobody's brave enough to make a prediction, I'll say the polls will be proven wrong and PVV will be the biggest party. Wilders has no chance of becoming PM of course.

Well, you seem to be wrong.

Pretty much lol. I think the MSM are going to massively exaggerate this and claim it as a great victory against populism etc. I suspect Rutte's shift to copying PVV style rhetoric on integration and Islam during the campaign will be conveniently brushed under the carpet.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: joer5835 on March 15, 2017, 11:14:14 pm
It remains to be seen how much of Rutte's more far right wing ideals will stand. He'll need support from the centrist and even some centre-left parties to form a majority coalition.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on March 15, 2017, 11:20:09 pm
Always was a long shot hoping Wilders could get anywhere in NL, lol. Euroskepticism may be sweeping the continent but I wouldn't expect it from BE or NL ever.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: William on March 15, 2017, 11:46:56 pm
Well this puts a dent in the push to retake Constantinople and the Holy Land. A true shame
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 16, 2017, 12:01:36 am
Well, he got more seats than UKIP at least. France can still kick the stool, anyway.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: MrTiki on March 16, 2017, 01:15:19 am
Well, he got more seats than UKIP at least.
That's because the Dutch use a democratic system which awards political power based on the proportion of the vote rather than a broken ass FPTP system like the UK and US.
I may not like the PVV or UKIP or the various other right wing parties, but any and all political viewpoints should be represented according to the degree that the population agree with them. If a party completely goes against it's manifesto in a coalition then it can be appropriately punished by voting for a different party without the fear that doing so will make the party that you most detest stronger.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on March 16, 2017, 01:38:22 am
We do FPTP to
Notice us
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on March 16, 2017, 01:45:15 am
We do FPTP to
Notice us
But Theodin, Papa Trudeau said 2015 was the last time we'll use FPTP!
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Rutger Müller on March 16, 2017, 02:29:25 am
letting a bunch of poor people who have made bad life choices decide a leader.... democracy is gay
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on March 16, 2017, 02:52:29 am
The percentage of the popular vote for the PVV is almost the exact same as UKIP in the United Kingdom, around 13%.

The easiest and most likely coalition, VVD-CDA-D66 still lacks 6 seats for a majority in the chamber. They'll have to invite the Christian Union, or (unlikely) some left-wing party.

Theoretically, a left-wing coalition is still possible but also quite unlikely.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on March 16, 2017, 03:47:32 am
Holy shit that guy looks like Trudeau
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on March 16, 2017, 07:57:00 am
Holy shit that guy looks like Trudeau

Was wondering when someone would say that.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Hadhod on March 16, 2017, 08:53:59 am
letting a bunch of poor people who have made bad life choices decide a leader.... democracy is gay
LuL
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 16, 2017, 10:57:41 am
Well, since nobody's brave enough to make a prediction, I'll say the polls will be proven wrong and PVV will be the biggest party. Wilders has no chance of becoming PM of course.

Well, you seem to be wrong.

Pretty much lol. I think the MSM are going to massively exaggerate this and claim it as a great victory against populism etc.

Just checked Facebook and yup you called it
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on March 16, 2017, 11:03:15 am
The PVV has lost, no matter their small increase in seats. Wilders ran a terrible campaign and it's no wonder he didn't convince 9 out of 10 voters. If not now, then how is he ever going to win?

Wouldn't be surprised if the FvD starts taking over most of their voters base in years to come, although that party has yet to prove itself so nothing is certain.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 16, 2017, 12:56:21 pm
What a stunning victory for liberalism this election was. Oh wait...

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.images.express.co.uk%2Fimg%2Fdynamic%2F78%2F590x%2Fsecondary%2FMark-Rutte-800546.jpg&hash=1a5a3dc71cab3a34f1ff91519fb7e25dc9f75622)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on March 16, 2017, 03:14:17 pm
Yeah, he went populist to gain some votes. His party is still a member of ALDE and parties calling for a NEXIT gained 21 seats in total. We're staying.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: MrTiki on March 16, 2017, 08:10:29 pm
Yeah I mean considering the "perfect storm" for right wing voters with Trump, Brexit, immigrants, terrorist attacks and so on, Wilders should have done a lot better.

Then again, his party manifest includes things which are straight up unconstitutional and the line "No more money to development aid, windmills, art, innovation, broadcasting etc". He used etc in his manifesto. God damn.
Also love the way he just put "lower rent" with zero explanation of how he would artificially control the entire nation's housing market, nor how that would benefit the country.
What can I say, when a party's entire manifesto fits onto 1 A4 side (written in bullet points) you know they mean business.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Noorwegian on March 16, 2017, 09:19:09 pm
Wilders is way too radical in my opinion, FvD seems like an alright right-wing party, and a good alternative to PVV, although I don't really know their party programme all to well.

Congratulations to them on gaining two seats as a new party, that's quite impressive, seeing as they just formed in 2015.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 17, 2017, 02:29:33 am
https://www.ft.com/content/c10aa4f8-08a5-11e7-97d1-5e720a26771b

Merkel's getting busy in preparation for September.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 17, 2017, 10:03:02 am
https://www.ft.com/content/c10aa4f8-08a5-11e7-97d1-5e720a26771b

Merkel's getting busy in preparation for September.

Damn, showing off on here with your FT subscription when the rest of us can't read it  ;D
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 17, 2017, 12:04:18 pm
For some reason the articles aren't blocked if you click from Google's news tab. I would never subscribe to FT garbage, kek  ;)

Quote from: FT
The German government has presented a draft law that would impose fines of up to €50m on social networks that fail to delete hate speech or fake news, in what amounts to the most draconian clampdown by a European country against internet platforms such as Facebook and Twitter. The law reflects mounting concern in German political circles about the potential influence fake news and hate speech could have on Germany’s federal election later this year, where Angela Merkel’s ruling conservatives are facing a strong challenge from the populist, anti-immigration Alternative for Germany (AfD).
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on March 17, 2017, 12:15:45 pm
Wilders is way too radical in my opinion, FvD seems like an alright right-wing party, and a good alternative to PVV, although I don't really know their party programme all to well.

FvD is just as bad as Wilders, if not worse. They have a number of extremely radical standpoints which undermine our democracy. This is not that strange anymore, but since the entire motivation for this is a 'party-kartel' and some kind of 'new world order' conspiracy theory on which they base their entire program, they are dangerous. This may not be as obvious in their program, but I have been to one of their gatherings. It is scary how vocal Baudet is about the 'establishment conspiracy' and how they and 'the left' have ruined this entire country and they continue to ruin this country. Even though basically all his knowledge on legislation and politics he learned from his time in uni, which is hilariously ironic.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on March 17, 2017, 05:21:07 pm
His messages the past two days are plain ridicious, pretending he can make a decisive difference other parties apparantly cannot possible achieve. His no.2, a lawyer, has already stated he won't be available for a while because of his current job and has said he wants to continue doing some work as a lawywer, which to me signals he just doesn't take the job serious. Small factions have a huge workload if they want to achieve anything. Pretending it's a part-time job is ridicious.

The memes are pretty good, though.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 17, 2017, 09:27:19 pm
Well, that escalated quickly.

https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article162946953/Erdogan-ruft-Tuerken-in-Europa-zum-Kinderkriegen-auf.html
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 18, 2017, 06:50:23 am
"Do not make three, but five children, because you are the future of Europe," Erdogan said Friday in Eskisehir in the West of Turkey."

Still laughing at Brexit? :)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Rutger Müller on March 18, 2017, 07:11:07 am
"Do not make three, but five children, because you are the future of Europe," Erdogan said Friday in Eskisehir in the West of Turkey."

Still laughing at Brexit? :)
he said that because he wants to go to more birthday parties
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 18, 2017, 07:13:29 am
Heh. Duuring may actually become a minority after all kek

So much for righty hysteria
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cazasar on March 18, 2017, 09:28:55 am
The problem is that you cant talk about the dangers that come with these uneven birthrates because you are imedeately shoven into this whole white genocide shit.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 18, 2017, 11:58:12 am
There's not going to be a 'white genocide' that's just silly. However there will be very large Muslim minorities in various Western countries, in some places approaching 20-25% of the population in the not too distant future. This is obviously going to cause very severe political and social problems and anyone who denies that is retarded.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on March 18, 2017, 01:43:59 pm
LARGE minorities what?  :P


Also, his idea is stupid. I have the feeling that the Turkish people (Those that are loyal to King Erdogan) that live in Germany already have 5 or more children... Those that integrated well, do not.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 18, 2017, 04:19:46 pm
LARGE minorities what?  :P

20-25% of the population is still a minority, but large enough to exert very significant political power. Future politicians will have to pander to these groups to win votes, even more so in PR systems, and the end result will be quite ugly. If Europe can't integrate them when they're at 10% or less of the population they have no chance when they make up 20% or more.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Hadhod on March 18, 2017, 04:58:45 pm
The boldest predictions give 8 % for 2020 10% for 2050 and 25 % for 2100. That is without taking into account that birth rate of Muslims declines once they start living in Europe for 1 or 2 generations. (And this is all Muslims not just turks )
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 18, 2017, 05:10:08 pm
 [citation needed] (http://)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cazasar on March 18, 2017, 05:17:20 pm
[citation needed] (http://)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Hadhod on March 18, 2017, 05:58:19 pm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe

Though I misquoted it. The 8% were for 2030 and not 2020
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: fruitocino on March 18, 2017, 06:18:58 pm
That still is a relevant amount of people, and like StevenChilton said politicians will have to adjust their campaign accordingly, or new parties will be added to the spectrum.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 18, 2017, 09:07:27 pm
This is where I got my information from: https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/jan/28/muslim-population-country-projection-2030

That '8% by 2030' figure is for the whole of the European continent and therefore highly misleading. European Muslims are highly concentrated in Western European countries-for instance in France the Muslim population was already around 8% in 2011. The Pew Forum data was also compiled before Merkel's 2015 'Open Door' policy. I think it's very fair to say the Muslim population of many European countries will approach 20% or more within our lifetimes supposing current trends continue.

Keep in mind 17% of the current US population is Hispanic and look how much political power they wield as a group in an electoral system that operates FPTP.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on March 18, 2017, 10:47:21 pm
Immigrant group birthrates go down to the native level usually after only one generation. In the Netherlands, the 2013 birth rate was just 1/3 of that of 2003. It's a little more then natives, but quickly diminishing. We had like 16.000 refugees in 2016, not all of whom are muslim, not all of whom will be permitted to stay, and not all of whom will stay in the Netherlands at all. And then I don't even include secularization.

But hey, whatever.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 18, 2017, 11:38:40 pm
This is mostly being driven by migration levels rather than fertility rates. We'll see in time whether the birthrates decline to native levels-I doubt they will because they are generally among the least integrated migrants groups, and Pew seem to think they won't decline that dramatically, but who knows. I think they will go down a bit but not to contemporary native European levels.

As for 'they'll come round and secularise like the rest of us' even arch-liberals in the UK are starting to give up on that idea: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trevor-phillips-muslims_uk_570b5d63e4b0ae22c1dff5aa

I think the scenario I've outlined is a fairly reasonable and rational assumption given the data. I'm not saying 'European Caliphate is imminent!!!111!!1' or 'muh white genocide'. All I'm pointing out is that many Western European countries will in the long-term have large Muslim minorities in significant enough numbers to exert real political influence and many of us will not like the kind of consequences stemming from that.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on March 19, 2017, 11:27:51 am
Yeah so? If a large part of the population is Muslim they have a right to exert political influence. Even if it is a small part of the population they have a right to do that. If you do not like it, do not vote for their Parties. That is how democrazy works...
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 19, 2017, 11:36:41 am
Yes, I'm sure the policies they will vote for will be entirely secular. . .


 
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 19, 2017, 12:51:46 pm
Yeah so? If a large part of the population is Muslim they have a right to exert political influence. Even if it is a small part of the population they have a right to do that. If you do not like it, do not vote for their Parties. That is how democrazy works...

In other words you embrace the fact that a group that finds it very difficult to integrate into Western society and generally holds illiberal views is going to exert significant political influence in the future. Okay, sure. The majority of British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal, can't say I look forward to political initiatives in that regard (not gay myself) but that's how democracy works and they have a right to try to persecute gay people if that's what they want.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on March 19, 2017, 01:04:26 pm
This is mostly being driven by migration levels rather than fertility rates. We'll see in time whether the birthrates decline to native levels-I doubt they will because they are generally among the least integrated migrants groups, and Pew seem to think they won't decline that dramatically, but who knows. I think they will go down a bit but not to contemporary native European levels.

Figures show an incredible fast decline in birth rates under immigrants yet you still doubt it based on how you feel about them. Acceptance of LGBT's is also increasing steadily. We are changing their views, not the other way around. At least in my country. Maybe the United Kingdom is just fucked up, who knows.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on March 19, 2017, 01:52:42 pm
Unlike other people I can actually accept people that are of different opinion than me. If they win the election and get their policies out, that is fine. As I said that is how Democracy works.

If you fail to rally enough people to your cause, then that is your fault. It is your obligation to rally people to your cause and it is their obligation to rally people to their cause. Just because you fail and loose the election does not mean that they have no right to enact their policies. If you do not like them, change them next year.

Also talking about Homosexuality, that is now how it works. A fundamental right like this can not be easily removed. For example a party that puts gender UNequality on their agenda will not succeed with that. No court will pass a law that discriminates people for being a different gender. If it even gets that far, in Germany a party that is against the constitution is illegal.

And if a law like this still passes, fair game, as long as they did everything by the rulebook you can not do anything about it. (Try again next election, I guess?) As I said, that is how democracy works.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 19, 2017, 01:56:14 pm
As I said that is how Democracy works.

Doesn't the German curriculum teach all about how a democratic system can be abused and allow human rights to be breached? I'm preddy sure it does.

And if a law like this still passes, fair game, as long as they did everything by the rulebook you can not do anything about it. (Try again next election, I guess?) As I said, that is how democracy works.

Jesus Christ, you wouldn't be able to tell you're German or anything! "If a law breaches human rights, so be it, **as long as it's done via the rulebook aka via a loophole!!**  :)

Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cazasar on March 19, 2017, 02:57:50 pm
Jesus Olafson.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 19, 2017, 03:06:59 pm
Always strange when a German tries to argue liberal constitutions can't be easily changed.

This is mostly being driven by migration levels rather than fertility rates. We'll see in time whether the birthrates decline to native levels-I doubt they will because they are generally among the least integrated migrants groups, and Pew seem to think they won't decline that dramatically, but who knows. I think they will go down a bit but not to contemporary native European levels.

Figures show an incredible fast decline in birth rates under immigrants yet you still doubt it based on how you feel about them. Acceptance of LGBT's is also increasing steadily. We are changing their views, not the other way around. At least in my country. Maybe the United Kingdom is just fucked up, who knows.

Not 'how I feel about them', more because Pew themselves state they don't think the birth rates will decline to native levels and that makes sense given as a group they're among the least integrated. Like Mormons in the US, Muslims in America will most likely retain higher than average birthrates. And anyway this is mostly driven by immigration levels rather than birthrates.

I have no idea about Islam in the Netherlands, but in the UK it's the other way round. The younger generations are actually more likely to hold extreme views on most things, though some are more accepting of LGBT people (though when I say 'some' they're still very much a minority viewpoint among their age group).

https://youtu.be/xQcSvBsU-FM?t=24m
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: MrTiki on March 19, 2017, 04:06:27 pm
This is where I got my information from: https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/jan/28/muslim-population-country-projection-2030

That '8% by 2030' figure is for the whole of the European continent and therefore highly misleading. European Muslims are highly concentrated in Western European countries-for instance in France the Muslim population was already around 8% in 2011. The Pew Forum data was also compiled before Merkel's 2015 'Open Door' policy. I think it's very fair to say the Muslim population of many European countries will approach 20% or more within our lifetimes supposing current trends continue.

Keep in mind 17% of the current US population is Hispanic and look how much political power they wield as a group in an electoral system that operates FPTP.
I still don't get the whole "25% of the population in some places" bit. By some places I assume you mean relevant countries in Europe, where it simply isn't true. Large Western countries we're talking about 7-10% by 2030, with the UK at 8.2%, Sweden at 9.9%, Netherlands at 7.8%, France at 10.3% and Germany at 7.1%.
I can't actually open the original Pew data and there's no actual indication of when that's from. It could have gone up with migrants or could have stayed at similar levels with decreasing birth rates, but again with no indication of when it's from it's very difficult to know.

As for if minorities get power, then surely they deserve it; that's how the system is set up.
If it's FPTP then even if all Muslims voted for a single party (ShariaLaw4All) then they'd have 0 power in the UK as they'd still have a minority of the vote. FPTP makes it incredibly difficult for parties outside the main 2-4 to have any meaningful impact on governing.
If they're in a proper political system like the Netherlands then they'd be like any other populist party and would draw a portion of the vote and either be ignored when coalitions are formed or have a minor impact on policy changes when part of a governing coalition (as should happen). Geert Wilders was part of a governing coalition and did fuck all.

I really don't get the whole panic and fearmongering regarding an increase in Muslim population. Even if/when Muslims DO take up 25% (or 50%) of the population, if it's entirely through childbirth then you'll still have to wait another 18 years for them all to actually be able to vote. Any immigrants won't be able to vote immediately either, and will have to live there for X years and become citizens. If they're able to do that then in many places they'll already have to speak the language and will already be integrating to some degree.
You guys let media headlines influence you way too much.

Edit: Also, please provide some evidence for
Quote
in the UK it's the other way round. The younger generations are actually more likely to hold extreme views on most things, though some are more accepting of LGBT people (though when I say 'some' they're still very much a minority viewpoint among their age group).
And the video doesn't play in the UK :/
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 19, 2017, 04:16:15 pm
You guys let media headlines influence you way too much.

Seems like you don't read the news at all, Tiki. Do you really need a study to tell you that the younger generation of British Muslims are more extreme than the older generation? Do you live in the UK? Have you ever? lmao
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 19, 2017, 05:18:09 pm
I said '20-25% in some places in the not too distant future'. That is a very fair prediction to make it if it's going to be 10% by 2030 in Sweden and France. I didn't put a date on it but I said it would be within our lifetimes. And as I pointed out this data is from 2011 and Merkel's recent open door policy has quickened this trend. Re-read what I wrote, I made it quite clear this wasn't an immediately imminent prospect but rather a long-term trend.

People keep focusing on birth rates here but as I keep saying it's actually more to do with migration levels. Read the Pew research and they say that the percentage of migrants into the EU28 who are from Muslim-majority countries has increased every decade and they now make up 40% of the total. I see no reason why that trend shouldn't continue.

It's not a question of whether they 'deserve' power or anything like that, it's that they will have it and I don't think we'll like the consequences. Latinos make up 17% of the US population and already wield a lot of political influence. Muslims in Europe will at some point reach a comparable situation, and this matters because as I think we've accepted they hold political and social views that are at odds with the rest of the population. European Muslims are not adapting to Europe, instead we're increasingly adapting to them. If you doubt that then ask yourself why so few media outlets will dare publish a cartoon of Muhammad anymore, or why a very large amount of the meat we buy in supermarkets is halal.

The evidence is in the video. I thought you were in the Netherlands? It's blocked in the UK but available there. It's basically Trevor Phillips interviewing a few Liberal Muslims (Yasmin Alibahai Brown, you may have heard of her, she's as liberal as they come) who are warning 'we're a dying breed' and that the battle for a liberal version of British Islam was essentially lost to the hardliners. He then says there's a glimmer of hope because '28% of British Muslims aged 16-25 say homosexuality should not be illegal verses 5% aged over 65', though admits it's not much to go on because that's still a minority view in the age group and they also hold the same % of negative views on Jewish people and all the rest of it.

Phillips also says that secularisation of British Muslims is a forlorn hope because a) they're being exposed to hard-line views via the media they consume and through trips back to their ancestral homeland etc, and b) the scale of migration means their numbers are continually bolstered by first generation migrants where such views are common, thus discouraging the secularisation process.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on March 19, 2017, 05:53:03 pm
Integration of immigrants leaves much to be desired, yes. We agree on that. What we probably don't agree on is the root cause.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: MrTiki on March 19, 2017, 11:08:05 pm
You guys let media headlines influence you way too much.
Seems like you don't read the news at all, Tiki. Do you really need a study to tell you that the younger generation of British Muslims are more extreme than the older generation? Do you live in the UK? Have you ever? lmao
I read the news every damn day, I just don't accept everything I read at face value for obvious reasons, with Tory Cabinet Ministers getting part time jobs as Editors. All I'm asking for is a little evidence to back it up.
It's very easy to draw conclusions about a general population from your own experiences, but you tend to surround yourself with and associate with others who agree with your views. Confirmation bias is a very real thing. The fact that the Muslims that I am friends with are all very liberal and happy to discuss abortion, alcohol, sex and so on is obviously one end of the spectrum but I'm not ignorant enough to think that I've spoken to a broad cross section of Muslims in society (Edit: and no, I'm not suggesting that you are).
I have lived in the UK for the past 2.5 years and did for a couple years when I was younger (I lived in the Netherlands in between). I thought you lived in North America?

@StevenChilton
Thanks for clarifying that, that does make more sense.
As for why people keep harking on about birth rates, they were brought up by the Erdogan link and were being discussed, so I figured I'd weigh in. I agree that the influx of 1st generation migrants is very probably slowing the integration process for those who moved here a long time ago or were born here, but hard-line views are only being strengthened by Islamophobia. I'm all for tougher immigration policies in the current climate, but nobody who legally migrates to the UK should be treated like a second class citizen.
I agree with Duuring that I'd love there to be better integration of immigrants, both in the UK and the rest of Europe, and that Erdogan and his ilk are making that significantly harder. As for underlying causes if anyone actually knew for certain (and could prove it) then we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: MrTiki on March 20, 2017, 10:22:59 pm
There's only so far that courts can go to prevent travel bans. As it is, now that Green Card holders etc are exempt, I actually don't know what grounds they can use to block it. Even if you disagree with it (like I do), you have to accept that Trump is doing it for security purposes and has reasonable grounds to do so. I really don't understand the current case against it.
"Loses" as the second largest party and forcing other parties to the right? The real losers are Labour in the Netherlands. They got completely demolished.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on March 21, 2017, 03:12:52 am
No matter how many votes AfD ends up getting it's still a win. The German alt-right is viewed (from my albeit limited understanding) like a combination of the Nazis and the KKK, and if AfD gets any legitimacy that's huge.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cazasar on March 21, 2017, 07:49:58 am
Thats not the case. Who have you been talking to jesus.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 21, 2017, 11:56:44 am
AfD has about the same chance of success as An-Communism, Fraud.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on March 21, 2017, 12:00:57 pm
So we're probably getting a coalition of three pro-European parties and one Christian-Democrat centrist. Le Pen is trailing in every poll. Germany is between CDU and the more pro-European SPD.

Where's that 'patrioting spring' at, boys?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 21, 2017, 12:29:57 pm
If only the moral high ground was enough to save the union from its impending demise. If only...
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 21, 2017, 02:40:56 pm
So we're probably getting a coalition of three pro-European parties and one Christian-Democrat centrist. Le Pen is trailing in every poll. Germany is between CDU and the more pro-European SPD.

Where's that 'patrioting spring' at, boys?

All the eurosceptics need is one or two key victories and the EU project unravels. Brexit was the first phase, the second will be a major economy leaving the Eurozone and the most likely candidate is Italy. Once you can prove that European integration is reversible without the sky falling in then you're halfway there.

I think you're showing your hubris again Duuring. Wilders progressed to 2nd place, despite running a crap campaign, in an election where the Dutch PM had to prostitute himself to the anti-migration crowd and adopt their rhetoric. It was a victory, but hardly a moral one.

The worst outcome of 2017 for the European Union would be for Merkel to be defeated by Schultz. The EU needs a pragmatist rather than a zealot, and I should think the very election of Chancellor Schultz will drive Eastern Europe even further away. I don't think many people seriously believed 2017 would deliver PM Wilders or President Le Pen, but it will show them making big gains. The EU has never looked weaker and I should think all it would take would be another economic or political crisis to drive it over the cliff edge.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on March 21, 2017, 03:08:58 pm
It was painfully obvious from the get-go that Wilders would basically suffer a defeat if he didn't get anything BUT being the largest party. Now that Rutte can actually form a coalition, Wilders has become as isolated as he can be. Sure he got 19 seats, but he's still as poltically irrelevant as ever, as literally no party you can take seriously politically speaking will be working together with him.

Oh and the senate is not an issue for Rutte as well, at least less than the last two years.
Wilders will be poltically dead until the next election.

Or as soon as ISIS hits Amsterdam.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on March 21, 2017, 03:45:21 pm
I wonder what happens to easyjet and all the other british low cost airlines, once Brexit kicks in.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: William on March 21, 2017, 04:14:48 pm
It was painfully obvious from the get-go that Wilders would basically suffer a defeat if he didn't get anything BUT being the largest party. Now that Rutte can actually form a coalition, Wilders has become as isolated as he can be. Sure he got 19 seats, but he's still as poltically irrelevant as ever, as literally no party you can take seriously politically speaking will be working together with him.

Oh and the senate is not an issue for Rutte as well, at least less than the last two years.
Wilders will be poltically dead until the next election.

Or as soon as ISIS hits Amsterdam.
Well it did force Rutte's party to partially adopt right-leaning ideas. It isn't the stance that Wilders has but he did leave a slight impact on the overall politics of the United Provinces. However, I don't know if they'll actually follow through.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on March 21, 2017, 05:09:26 pm
It was painfully obvious from the get-go that Wilders would basically suffer a defeat if he didn't get anything BUT being the largest party. Now that Rutte can actually form a coalition, Wilders has become as isolated as he can be. Sure he got 19 seats, but he's still as poltically irrelevant as ever, as literally no party you can take seriously politically speaking will be working together with him.

Oh and the senate is not an issue for Rutte as well, at least less than the last two years.
Wilders will be poltically dead until the next election.

Or as soon as ISIS hits Amsterdam.
Well it did force Rutte's party to partially adopt right-leaning ideas. It isn't the stance that Wilders has but he did leave a slight impact on the overall politics of the United Provinces. However, I don't know if they'll actually follow through.

Rutte will have to if he wants to keep what little credibility he has... He never specified what measures he wants to take so he might just ignore it completely, which is not unlike him, at all.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 21, 2017, 05:24:46 pm
I wonder what happens to easyjet and all the other british low cost airlines, once Brexit kicks in.

They'll have to fly a little higher because we're going to build a massive f*cking wall in the middle of the English Channel and Luxembourg's going to pay for it.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on March 21, 2017, 08:37:54 pm
We're a proportional consensus multi-party democracy. We don't do radical chances.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on March 21, 2017, 08:51:53 pm
Gotta love Thierry Baudet:

"Now suddenly they [established parties] realise we are a relevant factor (...)"

Lol sit down, honey, two seats makes you about as an arts degree.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on March 21, 2017, 10:08:13 pm
I wonder what happens to easyjet and all the other british low cost airlines, once Brexit kicks in.

They'll have to fly a little higher because we're going to build a massive f*cking wall in the middle of the English Channel and Luxembourg's going to pay for it.

Haha...
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 22, 2017, 12:48:35 pm
I thought you lived in North America?

Hm? I'm a fellow BritBro
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 24, 2017, 05:38:12 pm
Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PivFArrHN6g
[close]

Will Putin be the man to save Europe? ;) 7
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on March 24, 2017, 08:04:24 pm
No, but he might invade Belarus.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: joer5835 on March 24, 2017, 08:28:00 pm
Putin has no interest but his own. And I very strongly doubt he wants to 'save' Europe. If anything, I think he would rather see it divided and weak.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Rutger Müller on March 24, 2017, 08:31:03 pm
Putin has no interest but his own. And I very strongly doubt he wants to 'save' Europe. If anything, I think he would rather see it divided and weak.
a country having their own intrest in mind... what a monster
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on March 24, 2017, 08:36:46 pm
No, but he might invade Belarus.
Lmfao I like that
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on March 24, 2017, 08:40:20 pm
Not sure more refugees is what we need right now.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on March 24, 2017, 08:46:03 pm
Putin has no interest but his own. And I very strongly doubt he wants to 'save' Europe. If anything, I think he would rather see it divided and weak.
a country having their own intrest in mind... what a monster
I mean, Putin does what he wants. I don't think Russia or its people really factors into any choice he makes.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on March 24, 2017, 08:57:51 pm
Not sure more refugees is what we need right now.
The Belarusians would integrate much better though
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 24, 2017, 09:00:35 pm
The EU is a common enemy in the eyes of Le Pen and Putin, let's not sensationalize any of their intentions. Putin can also play a nice part in tying up some loose ends, like ISIS.

As for Putin making any land grabs of consequence - I put my faith in the nuclear deterrent.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on March 24, 2017, 09:09:46 pm
Imagine you are the leader of any of the NATO-countries with nukes.

Lose a bit of Lithuania, or nuclear holocaust?

Lose a bit of Poland, or nuclear holocaust?

Lose eastern Europe in its entirety, or nuclear holocaust?

Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 24, 2017, 09:46:02 pm
Take a bit of Lithuania, or nuclear holocaust?

Take a bit of Poland, or nuclear holocaust?

The nuclear deterrent goes both ways - any land loss is due to the EU failing to protect its member states sufficiently. The responsible falls onto the cash cow union. They must accept the fact that they must also embrace the downsides of forcing a political union.

Lose eastern Europe in its entirety, or nuclear holocaust?

let's not sensationalize any of their intentions
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on March 24, 2017, 09:53:19 pm
Take a bit of Lithuania, or nuclear holocaust?

Take a bit of Poland, or nuclear holocaust?

The nuclear deterrent goes both ways - any land loss is due to the EU failing to protect its member states sufficiently. The responsible falls onto the cash cow union. They must accept the fact that they must also embrace the downsides of forcing a political union.

Lose eastern Europe in its entirety, or nuclear holocaust?

let's not sensationalize any of their intentions
I mean, I'd honestly say Putin would steal eastern Europe given the chance.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on March 24, 2017, 10:21:24 pm
How likely is it the west will be willing to trigger nuclear holocaust just because Putin invades one or two countries? Zero. Nuclear weapons aren't going to keep anyone safe.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 24, 2017, 10:51:01 pm
Its economy is in the shit, its demographics are terrible, but Duuring seriously believes Russia is poised to annex parts of Eastern Europe. Lol.

Even if Russia had the capability to do that (it doesn't) it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Doing that would provoke Eastern Europe into ever greater reliance upon Brussels and would re-invigorate EU integration at a time when it's falling apart. That's probably why EU officials are busy putting out propaganda about the 'Russian menace' to the East. He would be far better off, as Putin knows perfectly well, sitting back doing nothing and watching the EU fall apart. He'll probably give things a subtle prod in the right direction with a coordinated leak to WikiLeaks or whatever every once in a while but that's about it.

Anyway even if pigs fly and Russia does decide to invade Europe and do a reverse Hitler/Napoleon the UK will be perfectly safe because we're an island. Putin only has one aircraft carrier that barely floats (it needs its own support ship to pull it along in case it breaks down, which is quite often). I mean just read this it's hilarious and should dispel any thoughts you might have that Russia is some kind of military superpower: https://warisboring.com/your-aircraft-carrier-is-a-piece-of-crap-f3f52d299588#.mksi3nys7
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 24, 2017, 10:54:05 pm
"Sovereignty" is an unrealistic goal for such nations located in eastern Europe. Let's not pretend like the EU isn't after power just as much as Putin.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on March 24, 2017, 11:07:49 pm
Its economy is in the shit, its demographics are terrible, but Duuring seriously believes Russia is poised to annex parts of Eastern Europe. Lol.

Even if Russia had the capability to do that (it doesn't) it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Doing that would provoke Eastern Europe into ever greater reliance upon Brussels and would re-invigorate EU integration at a time when it's falling apart. That's probably why EU officials are busy putting out propaganda about the 'Russian menace' to the East. He would be far better off, as Putin knows perfectly well, sitting back doing nothing and watching the EU fall apart. He'll probably give things a subtle prod in the right direction with a coordinated leak to WikiLeaks or whatever every once in a while but that's about it.

Anyway even if pigs fly and Russia does decide to invade Europe and do a reverse Hitler/Napoleon the UK will be perfectly safe because we're an island. Putin only has one aircraft carrier that barely floats (it needs its own support ship to pull it along in case it breaks down, which is quite often). I mean just read this it's hilarious and should dispel any thoughts you might have that Russia is some kind of military superpower: https://warisboring.com/your-aircraft-carrier-is-a-piece-of-crap-f3f52d299588#.mksi3nys7
Russia could easily annex the Baltic states, Belarus and Ukraine without much opposition. I'd say it'd be a struggle against Poland or any other European country but it could definitely wipe the ones I mentioned. Its not like it would though.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 25, 2017, 12:14:48 am
without much opposition

The Baltic states are in NATO and the EU, two organisations with a mutual defence clause, and are countries with large numbers of foreign military personnel stationed there. I think that would be a war Russia couldn't possibly win. Similarly I think if Russia tried to annex all Ukraine that would inevitably pit them against NATO.

Belarus is the only place Putin could take easily, it's an isolated country already within Moscow's orbit. Nobody's going to go to war to defend it. But the likelihood of Russian troops crossing the border anytime soon is very low. Putin doesn't want to upset the current momentum in the EU towards disintegration.

Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on March 25, 2017, 01:56:18 pm
Its economy is in the shit, its demographics are terrible, but Duuring seriously believes Russia is poised to annex parts of Eastern Europe. Lol.

I never said that. I said that relying on nuclear weapons to avoid conflict is retarded.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Rutger Müller on March 25, 2017, 03:32:13 pm
Its economy is in the shit, its demographics are terrible, but Duuring seriously believes Russia is poised to annex parts of Eastern Europe. Lol.

I never said that. I said that relying on nuclear weapons to avoid conflict is retarded.
I agree with you commie shill but what other choice do we have? its been the only reason another major global conflict hasn't broken out since WW2
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 25, 2017, 03:44:35 pm
Its economy is in the shit, its demographics are terrible, but Duuring seriously believes Russia is poised to annex parts of Eastern Europe. Lol.

I never said that. I said that relying on nuclear weapons to avoid conflict is retarded.

Google "Cold War" :-|
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 25, 2017, 04:00:40 pm
Its economy is in the shit, its demographics are terrible, but Duuring seriously believes Russia is poised to annex parts of Eastern Europe. Lol.

I never said that. I said that relying on nuclear weapons to avoid conflict is retarded.

Eh? You literally said he might invade Belarus

No, but he might invade Belarus.

Also it's not retarded, we avoided WWIII between NATO and the Warsaw Pact because of them.

Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on March 25, 2017, 11:33:03 pm
Nuclear weapons have become one of the shittiest coercive weapons superpowers have these days, it's in almost all grand-strategic studies and a widely accepted fact in NATO militaries. Doesn't mean we should get rid of them, though. Gunboat diplopmacy still works better, especially carriers.

And granted, the Russian military isn't the superpower Putin wants the world to believe it is, it is rotten with corruption and really it's not that well equipped (save some exception here and there), but the bulk of it is out-of-date cold war stuff not up for major warfighting. This is changing, but it's very, very slowly doing so.

Russia also doesn't have the manpower or the simple fucking money to pay for a major invasion. Europe still has the largest army in the world and yes, they WILL all contribute when the Bear comes crashing the party.

Still, one shouldn't discount the fact that even with old equipment and corruption, EUrope hasn't been preparing for major warfighting for almost 30 years - a fact people easily discount as irrelevant, but almost no air force in europe, for example has trained on a relatively large scale on air-to-air combat against a developed nation since the cold war.

Since the war on terror began, there have been very, very little training missions going larger than a battalion for most european country (until Bison Drawkso, which was a major logistical disaster)

Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 26, 2017, 11:54:40 pm
In case anyone thought populism was going to go away....

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-26/mnuchin-not-worried-about-robotization-americas-workforce-despite-shocking-new-repor
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on March 27, 2017, 01:05:19 am
Oh yeah, he might very well invade Belarus, which isn't part of NATO or the EU or even trying to. Not to annex it, but considering it's militairy dependecy on Russia, another Crimean scenario is entirely possible. Then again, there is not much to gain or lose if Belarus tries to leave the Russian orbit. So yeah, he might, but probably not.

If nukes were the only reason war was avoided in the Cold War, why did we even bother to spend zillion of dollars in conventional forces? Any attack would have surely resulted in nuclear war, right?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 27, 2017, 01:32:11 am
Because the USSR wasn't the only opponent of the USA between 1945 and 1991, hence Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, 1st Gulf War...
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on March 27, 2017, 12:11:24 pm
Sure, the USA. But let me recall that the Netherlands had 1.900 Tanks, of which exactly zero saw action. Surely an attack on the Netherlands would have resulted in all other nations throwing nukes around?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 27, 2017, 02:14:01 pm
Surely an attack on the Netherlands would have resulted in all other nations throwing nukes around?

Who cares anyway. It's only the fucking Dutch.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: 12apist on March 27, 2017, 02:36:43 pm
war = boom :(
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on March 27, 2017, 03:01:56 pm
why did we even bother to spend zillion of dollars in conventional forces? Any attack would have surely resulted in nuclear war, right?

For the largest part of the cold war, the US actually neglected their army and navy (save for the subs). At one points 75% of the entire defense budget was going to Strategic Bomber Command. The army was in a pretty shit state.
UNtil they realised nuclear holocaust wasn't THAT likely a scenario and they started building their forces again.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 27, 2017, 04:21:28 pm
That can't possibly be true. The US military spent long periods of the Cold War in active warzones like Vietnam, Korea, the Gulf, etc. Highly doubt military planners would neglect the army/navy with all that going on. Source?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: BabyJesus on March 27, 2017, 07:31:46 pm
That can't possibly be true. The US military spent long periods of the Cold War in active warzones like Vietnam, Korea, the Gulf, etc. Highly doubt military planners would neglect the army/navy with all that going on. Source?
Vietnam was great
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on March 27, 2017, 11:00:52 pm
When Americans starts seeing Russia as a potential ally.. What a meme.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on March 27, 2017, 11:09:43 pm
When Americans starts seeing Russia as a potential ally.. What a meme.
Keep your friends close and enemies closer? idk why the two largest nuclear powers in the world having close cooperation is a bad thing.
Has international pressure to change Russia's ways changed anything? Doesn't seem like it
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on March 28, 2017, 09:20:09 am
Source?

Lieutenant-Colonel PhD. Boot, during a course on military systems, when the B-52 was discussed.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on March 28, 2017, 11:38:15 am
When Americans starts seeing Russia as a potential ally.. What a meme.

They aren't even Commies anymore, it's fine.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cazasar on March 28, 2017, 12:43:04 pm
What happened to you Canada :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z4Gg2vd7e0
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 28, 2017, 02:26:09 pm
FSE only recognise two genders, that's discriminatory against trans-people.

(https://i.gyazo.com/a198df41bfab4ac36a543f4f4d582c13.png)

Come on Olafson, it's 2017-there are over 71 genders and more are being discovered every day.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Jakester on March 28, 2017, 02:40:05 pm
FSE only recognise two genders, that's discriminatory against trans-people.

(https://i.gyazo.com/a198df41bfab4ac36a543f4f4d582c13.png)

Come on Olafson, it's 2017-there are over 71 genders and more are being discovered every day.

There are only 2 genders, get your liberal conspiracy filth out of here.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: MrTiki on March 28, 2017, 03:28:12 pm
When Americans starts seeing Russia as a potential ally.. What a meme.
Keep your friends close and enemies closer? idk why the two largest nuclear powers in the world having close cooperation is a bad thing.
Has international pressure to change Russia's ways changed anything? Doesn't seem like it
It's not about the fact that they're both large, powerful and have nuclear weapons. The issue with befriending Russia is their blatant corruption, silencing of the press, locking up political opponents/dissidents and disregard for modern borders. Pretending that it isn't happening does nothing to help the US's image as a supposed bastion of liberty and justice.
Obviously it extends to many other countries as well, including Saudi Arabia, China, Turkey and so on, but we all know that consumers love cheap shit and oil and the US wouldn't want to do anything to harm its relationship with its main suppliers.
Not that I believe any of that crap about the US anyway, but if they're going to spout that bullshit everywhere the least they could do is attempt to uphold it.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on March 28, 2017, 04:13:56 pm
But why spending even a dime on conventional warfare if even throwing a rock at a West-German border guard would have started nuclear war and destroyed civilization as we know it? Sure, there is the occasional jab in Korea or Vietnam, but why were there so many troops stationed in Europe?

The only definitive answer is that we did and could not rely on nukes or M.A.D. to protect the balance of power. There is no point in doing a second strike if you know the first one will leave you completely destroyed anyway, other then vengance.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on March 28, 2017, 06:00:12 pm
They were there because the Soviets put vast numbers there too so the US and NATO reciprocated. And Korea and Vietnam were hardly 'occasional jabs'. The US fights a serious war roughly every 15 years.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on March 30, 2017, 06:29:14 pm
Russia-NATO talks about Ukraine conflict failed. A very positive thing is that NATO and Russia did exchange information about troop building and exercises on the borders, to prevent accidents.

This really shows: "we really don't like each other, but we also really don't want to fight each other."
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on March 31, 2017, 10:52:51 am
NATO always gives information on large exercises and invites Russian and Belarussian officials to observe them. It's such standard procedure.

Russia, at the other hand, likes to do 'snap exercises' which come as a surprise for troops and NATO officials alike. Just for fun. Just like they enjoy sending aircrafts into our airspace for shit and giggles.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on March 31, 2017, 12:32:21 pm
Russia-NATO talks about Ukraine conflict failed. A very positive thing is that NATO and Russia did exchange information about troop building and exercises on the borders, to prevent accidents.

This really shows: "we really don't like each other, but we also really don't want to fight each other."

Ah ha they still move troops into Ukraine without reprocussion and Trump seems to be fine with it.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Ambiguous on March 31, 2017, 12:50:05 pm
Russia-NATO talks about Ukraine conflict failed. A very positive thing is that NATO and Russia did exchange information about troop building and exercises on the borders, to prevent accidents.

This really shows: "we really don't like each other, but we also really don't want to fight each other."

Ah ha they still move troops into Ukraine without reprocussion and Trump seems to be fine with it.
Who are you addressing when you say "they"
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on March 31, 2017, 01:16:56 pm
But now that both sides shared, at least it shows some measure of goodwill.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on March 31, 2017, 09:47:09 pm
But now that both sides shared, at least it shows some measure of goodwill.

Ukrainians are dying every day and you rejoice about Russian goodwill through an action considered standard procedure.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on April 01, 2017, 01:09:44 am
But now that both sides shared, at least it shows some measure of goodwill.

Ukrainians are dying every day and you rejoice about Russian goodwill through an action considered standard procedure.

War is war, get over it.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Karth on April 01, 2017, 02:28:55 am
Lol that war is still going on, rest of world is like, wuh  ???
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Ambiguous on April 01, 2017, 09:26:39 pm
It's a shame not so many people care about Ukraine anymore :/
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on April 02, 2017, 12:54:36 pm
Not much you can do about it
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: MrTiki on April 02, 2017, 06:32:55 pm
Lol that war is still going on, rest of world is like, wuh  ???
But wait Trump is still saying stupid things so lets pay attention to him instead of the conflicts around the world that are still ongoing!
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Ambiguous on April 02, 2017, 06:46:59 pm
Reading through this is depressing  :'(
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on April 02, 2017, 08:52:29 pm
 :(
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on April 02, 2017, 10:07:01 pm
It's a shame not so many people care about Ukraine anymore :/

I don't care enough to go and die there, if that's what you mean. If Duuring wants an EU military so badly maybe he'd be willing to be sent to his death by Brussels Berlin.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: MrTiki on April 03, 2017, 12:10:28 am
Careful mate, that much edge and you might hurt someone.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on April 03, 2017, 01:07:11 am
Careful mate, that much edge and you might hurt someone.

Riddlez tone it down mate
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Ambiguous on April 03, 2017, 07:27:45 am
Yeah Riddlez, we aren't all sheeple here.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on April 03, 2017, 08:13:31 am
I is confucius now....

Side note though.... it's not like an EU military would be deployed to Ukraine.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Ambiguous on April 03, 2017, 08:19:52 am
I is confucius now....

Side note though.... it's not like an EU military would be deployed to Ukraine.
We can always hope (https://forums.taleworlds.com/Smileys/phpbb/contrib_fruity.gif)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on April 03, 2017, 06:27:42 pm
I'd rather be occupied by Russia over the EU, lol
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Karth on April 03, 2017, 07:29:34 pm
You are already occupied by Murican forces  ;D
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on April 03, 2017, 07:58:07 pm
but... rule britannia!! taste british steel yankee scum!!
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: MrTiki on April 03, 2017, 09:56:44 pm
Riddlez tone it down mate
I mean it can't exactly be a surprise that there are jobs out there that I'm very glad are done by other people (manual and menial labour, military stuff etc). I'm just highlighting your facetiousness with shitposts.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Ambiguous on April 04, 2017, 08:30:13 am
huzzah to shitposts.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Nero_ on April 04, 2017, 12:56:57 pm
So when are we going to talk about African politics
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Ambiguous on April 04, 2017, 01:03:25 pm
So when are we going to talk about African politics
I mean the Gambian National Assembly election is on Thursday you wanna talk about that Nero?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Nero_ on April 04, 2017, 01:44:23 pm
So when are we going to talk about African politics
I mean the Gambian National Assembly election is on Thursday you wanna talk about that Nero?
is gambia like a province in africa?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: joer5835 on April 04, 2017, 02:06:32 pm
is gambia like a province in africa?
Gambia belongs to Africa in the same way a fire belongs to ancient Rome.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Nero_ on April 04, 2017, 02:31:01 pm
is gambia like a province in africa?
Gambia belongs to Africa in the same way a fire belongs to ancient Rome.
good reference to my name mister
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on April 04, 2017, 03:42:58 pm
is gambia like a province in africa?
Gambia belongs to Africa in the same way a fire belongs to ancient Rome.
good reference to my name mister

Eh? I thought this was Milo Yiannopoulos' FSE account.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Nero_ on April 04, 2017, 05:16:57 pm
is gambia like a province in africa?
Gambia belongs to Africa in the same way a fire belongs to ancient Rome.
good reference to my name mister

Eh? I thought this was Milo Yiannopoulos' FSE account.
yes the statistics show
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on April 04, 2017, 10:04:55 pm
The suspense is killing me Nero

What do the statistics show?!
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on April 04, 2017, 10:10:22 pm
The suspense is killing me Nero

What do the statistics show?!
Classic, racist remark that has become typical of you Ricky .P - Making such sarcastic remarks in such a snide tone about Gambia is honestly disgusting. No wonder you're a UKIP supporter. Gambia is a sovereign nation that deserves equal respect like any other nation.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Nero_ on April 05, 2017, 03:14:18 pm
i was refering to milo always talking about statistics soz
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Ambiguous on April 05, 2017, 04:42:40 pm
i was refering to milo always talking about statistics soz
cuck
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on April 05, 2017, 05:36:50 pm
The suspense is killing me Nero

What do the statistics show?!
Classic, racist remark that has become typical of you Ricky .P - Making such sarcastic remarks in such a snide tone about Gambia is honestly disgusting. No wonder you're a UKIP supporter. Gambia is a sovereign nation that deserves equal respect like any other nation.

Absolutely correct, I sincerely apologise for anything I've said that may have been insensitive in regards to Gambia.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on April 05, 2017, 07:14:34 pm
The suspense is killing me Nero

What do the statistics show?!
Classic, racist remark that has become typical of you Ricky .P - Making such sarcastic remarks in such a snide tone about Gambia is honestly disgusting. No wonder you're a UKIP supporter. Gambia is a sovereign nation that deserves equal respect like any other nation.

Absolutely correct, I sincerely apologise for anything I've said that may have been insensitive in regards to Gambia.

It's 'The Gambia' not 'Gambia' you racist xenophobes.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Ambiguous on April 05, 2017, 07:16:30 pm
The suspense is killing me Nero

What do the statistics show?!
Classic, racist remark that has become typical of you Ricky .P - Making such sarcastic remarks in such a snide tone about Gambia is honestly disgusting. No wonder you're a UKIP supporter. Gambia is a sovereign nation that deserves equal respect like any other nation.

Absolutely correct, I sincerely apologise for anything I've said that may have been insensitive in regards to Gambia.

It's 'The Gambia' not 'Gambia' you racist xenophobes.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: William on April 07, 2017, 04:00:07 am
Well boys, it was a good run. Hopefully we'll kill all the men so they can't rape your women.

Godspeed to you all

edit: typo
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on April 07, 2017, 04:15:47 am
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/06/us-launches-missiles-into-syria-in-response-to-chemical-weapons-attack.html


oh no
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on April 07, 2017, 04:43:42 am
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/06/us-launches-missiles-into-syria-in-response-to-chemical-weapons-attack.html


oh no
I doubt much will come of it.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on April 07, 2017, 04:45:34 am
Reports are that Russian troops are/were manning the anti-air batteries. It'll only escalate if any of them are caught in the fire.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: MrTiki on April 07, 2017, 03:07:40 pm
When they said that Trump never flip flops ;D
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Karth on April 07, 2017, 04:14:02 pm
Good for Trump, he actually had the balls to do something about it and I support that sort of response.  Don't think it will escalate to a full out war, Syria knows it would obviously lose
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on April 07, 2017, 04:21:46 pm
The likelihood Assad used chemical weapons is incredibly small, but whatever. I'd wager the whole thing is a set-up, though between who and why I have no idea.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Karth on April 07, 2017, 04:40:06 pm
The likelihood Assad used chemical weapons is incredibly small, but whatever. I'd wager the whole thing is a set-up, though between who and why I have no idea.
Nah, it's not in this day and age where it can be set up.  US has 24/7 reconnaissance and surveillance over syrias Air Force activity, its more geospatial intelligence, so it would be pretty easy to identify if it was a Syrian based helicopter dropping chemical gas bombs on civilians, or any other Syrian operated aircraft. 
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on April 07, 2017, 05:10:16 pm
The likelihood Assad used chemical weapons is incredibly small, but whatever. I'd wager the whole thing is a set-up, though between who and why I have no idea.
Nah, it's not in this day and age where it can be set up.  US has 24/7 reconnaissance and surveillance over syrias Air Force activity, its more geospatial intelligence, so it would be pretty easy to identify if it was a Syrian based helicopter dropping chemical gas bombs on civilians, or any other Syrian operated aircraft.

Oh please, as if intelligence is always that clear cut. Obama and Kerry were bragging 24 months ago that Assad had given up 100% of his chemical weapons (hint: he had almost none anyway). Makes no sense for Assad to use chemical weapons, allegedly he didn't have any to begin with, and the footage of the 'attack' is a bit suspicious (shows people handling victims without gloves for a start, which is the very first thing I was taught not to do when I did my CBRN training as a reservist). Anyway the US response makes no sense either-you don't blow up a area where you suspect chemical weapons are being stored that's just dumb.

Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: LiquidSkorpion on April 07, 2017, 05:52:26 pm
Good for Trump, he actually had the balls to do something about it and I support that sort of response.  Don't think it will escalate to a full out war, Syria knows it would obviously lose
It was a surprisingly fast response and sent a clear message that he handles things differently than Obama. I for one did not think the Trump administration would involve themselves, even after the chemical attack. However, I am rather pleased with it. It's about time someone stepped up and did something.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: MrTiki on April 07, 2017, 06:18:04 pm
Hang on so the fact that for the past few years he was opposing any sort of intervention in Syria (instead you should be focusing on Making America Great Again) and now overnight changes his view because of chemical weapons (gee when did we last hear about WMDs in the Middle East?) doesn't ring any alarm bells or maybe indicate that he's a populist who will say whatever he wants to garner attention and votes?



Regardless, whatever your views on who released chemical weapons and for what reason, a very clear distinction needs to be made between previous US intervention in Syria and this last attack.
The US has been arming rebels but has never directly attacked Syrian forces before, instead attacking IS. The US has now openly attacked Syria as a sovereign nation.
This is yet another case of the US not "technically" being at war, but instead attacking countries, free of any consequence to themselves. It's an imperialistic worldview, and is exactly what created IS in the first place; attacking a sovereign nation with no authority at all, striking because of some WMDs. We have no idea if that air base had anything to do with chemical weapons.

But no, all the other times the US has intervened have gone so well right? Like how you won the Vietnam War, the various Gulf Wars, the war in Afghanistan, the "War on Terror" and so on...
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: William on April 07, 2017, 06:31:02 pm
The likelihood Assad used chemical weapons is incredibly small, but whatever. I'd wager the whole thing is a set-up, though between who and why I have no idea.
Nah, it's not in this day and age where it can be set up.  US has 24/7 reconnaissance and surveillance over syrias Air Force activity, its more geospatial intelligence, so it would be pretty easy to identify if it was a Syrian based helicopter dropping chemical gas bombs on civilians, or any other Syrian operated aircraft.

Oh please, as if intelligence is always that clear cut. Obama and Kerry were bragging 24 months ago that Assad had given up 100% of his chemical weapons (hint: he had almost none anyway). Makes no sense for Assad to use chemical weapons, allegedly he didn't have any to begin with, and the footage of the 'attack' is a bit suspicious (shows people handling victims without gloves for a start, which is the very first thing I was taught not to do when I did my CBRN training as a reservist). Anyway the US response makes no sense either-you don't blow up a area where you suspect chemical weapons are being stored that's just dumb.
Exactly. Why risk international attention when you're about to shutdown these CIA backed rebels once and for all?!

There's just something so fishy about a leader liked by his own people and a person who had a secular government which provided a haven for Christians, having a mysterious rebellion break out and and then having those rebels backed by U.S. only to find out they're ISIS. FeelsBadMan
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: LiquidSkorpion on April 07, 2017, 06:46:21 pm
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The likelihood Assad used chemical weapons is incredibly small, but whatever. I'd wager the whole thing is a set-up, though between who and why I have no idea.
Nah, it's not in this day and age where it can be set up.  US has 24/7 reconnaissance and surveillance over syrias Air Force activity, its more geospatial intelligence, so it would be pretty easy to identify if it was a Syrian based helicopter dropping chemical gas bombs on civilians, or any other Syrian operated aircraft.

Oh please, as if intelligence is always that clear cut. Obama and Kerry were bragging 24 months ago that Assad had given up 100% of his chemical weapons (hint: he had almost none anyway). Makes no sense for Assad to use chemical weapons, allegedly he didn't have any to begin with, and the footage of the 'attack' is a bit suspicious (shows people handling victims without gloves for a start, which is the very first thing I was taught not to do when I did my CBRN training as a reservist). Anyway the US response makes no sense either-you don't blow up a area where you suspect chemical weapons are being stored that's just dumb.
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Exactly. Why risk international attention when you're about to shutdown these CIA backed rebels once and for all?!

There's just something so fishy about a leader liked by his own people and a person who had a secular government which provided a haven for Christians, having a mysterious rebellion break out and and then having those rebels backed by U.S. only to find out they're ISIS. FeelsBadMan
It is strange how as soon as they are finally getting the rebels under control they bring international attention to themselves. Something definitely reeks here but I'm afraid we will never truly know what happened.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on April 07, 2017, 08:08:37 pm
Looking at the facts and how the civil war was going for Assad, I just cannot see him ordering a chemical weapon strike. Trump had literally just wrote him off saying he'll more or less leave Assad alone, then Assad orders a chemical strike knowing Trump won't be able to turn a blind eye?

It's not the first time the rebels have tried to pull a false flag, either.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: William on April 07, 2017, 08:50:37 pm
From the outside perspective, it all just doesn't make sense. The whole deep state theory gets deeper and deeper everyday. Someone, or something is pushing for this war to escalate and won't let it cool down.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: MrTiki on April 07, 2017, 09:52:12 pm
Looking at the facts and how the civil war was going for Assad, I just cannot see him ordering a chemical weapon strike. Trump had literally just wrote him off saying he'll more or less leave Assad alone, then Assad orders a chemical strike knowing Trump won't be able to turn a blind eye?

It's not the first time the rebels have tried to pull a false flag, either.
Did the rebels have the capability to do so? I mean considering they're flying jets (multiple times remember, considering the followup attacks on the hospitals/clinics) in what is largely Russian/Regime controlled territory. As of March 8th there had been no Coalition airstrikes in that region, only Russian, which leads me to believe that there is air superiority in favour of Russia/Assad there. Surely they'd just have been shot out of the sky?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on April 07, 2017, 10:00:01 pm
I hope to fuck the U.S doesn't further attacks against Assad. A regime change is honestly the last thing Syria needs right now.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Karth on April 07, 2017, 10:00:42 pm
Should just wait for the bipartisan OPCW investigational findings, sorties have continuously been flying out from those Syrian air bases for a while now, I'm sure it was always a target
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Rutger Müller on April 08, 2017, 12:24:55 am
Good for Trump, he actually had the balls to do something about it and I support that sort of response.  Don't think it will escalate to a full out war, Syria knows it would obviously lose
It was a surprisingly fast response and sent a clear message that he handles things differently than Obama. I for one did not think the Trump administration would involve themselves, even after the chemical attack. However, I am rather pleased with it. It's about time someone stepped up and did something.

I agree. I think it sends a clear message that we aren't going to let innocent people get attacked in anyway. Under Obama, nothing would have happened. I am glad Trump sends a message. Also, Hillary said we should have hit all the air fields; however, Trump's response was direct, limited, and targeted one.
yes... Trump is being a very good goy it seems
Spoiler
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on April 08, 2017, 05:56:36 pm
Moving on from Trump...

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theglobeandmail.com%2Fnews%2Fnational%2Farticle31388144.ece%2FBINARY%2Fw620%2FDC20160629-01.JPG&hash=ac45146b354aad26a01cb3b6c61c7f2f8e22e001)

Here's a picture of Justin Trudeau's photographer taking pictures of Justin Trudeau sitting at his desk signing photographs of himself. They say an image tells a thousand words...

Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on April 08, 2017, 08:15:17 pm
Moving on from Trump...

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theglobeandmail.com%2Fnews%2Fnational%2Farticle31388144.ece%2FBINARY%2Fw620%2FDC20160629-01.JPG&hash=ac45146b354aad26a01cb3b6c61c7f2f8e22e001)

Here's a picture of Justin Trudeau's photographer taking pictures of Justin Trudeau sitting at his desk signing photographs of himself. They say an image tells a thousand words...
Maxime Bernier please win the conservatives.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on April 08, 2017, 08:24:43 pm
I'm supporting Erin O'Toole, but Bernier would be my second choice with O'Leary a distant third. Anyone but Michael Chong (barely a conservative) basically.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on April 09, 2017, 01:21:23 am
It seems we can blame the likes of Kushner and co. for Trump's recent actions (which have been praised by Israel, Saudi Arabia and about anyone else who wants to expand their territory).

Trump seems to have changed his mind on yet another issue he highlighted during his campaign - "draining the swamp".

Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JDz352yOV8
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He's removed Bannon from his security council. Not good news for anyone who isn't a fan of globalism.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on April 09, 2017, 03:26:34 am
I'm supporting Erin O'Toole, but Bernier would be my second choice with O'Leary a distant third. Anyone but Michael Chong (barely a conservative) basically.
I'd be ok with O'Toole if he actually stood a chance. Bernier and O'Leary are miles ahead of almost every person in that race. I considered buying a membership to vote but idk that much really, Trudeau will likely see two terms unless Bernier pulls of some good PR.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: BabyJesus on April 09, 2017, 10:20:11 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/3i8RjAj.png)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Karth on April 09, 2017, 10:42:48 pm
Lol if Assad wants to retaliate he could target the thousand or so US troops already on Syria on the premise of 'incursion on sovereign territory', but he won't he will just write a strongly worded statement
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on April 09, 2017, 10:52:24 pm
It'd be proper banter if Assad chemical struck a US base
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on April 09, 2017, 11:30:56 pm
It'd be proper banter if Assad chemical struck a US base
That would be some awesome banter
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on April 10, 2017, 12:17:42 am
Getting back to French politics, I saw this being shared on Twitter and it looks interesting. Couple of spelling mistakes but it's written by a French journalist so that's to be expected: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8_-ZtIWsAAvZ8X.jpg

Not been following French politics (mainly because I'm British and we don't care about what happens in a country 30 miles away or so) but can anyone who has comment on it?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: ClaSh on April 10, 2017, 09:41:35 am
Getting back to French politics, I saw this being shared on Twitter and it looks interesting. Couple of spelling mistakes but it's written by a French journalist so that's to be expected: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8_-ZtIWsAAvZ8X.jpg

lol, twas funny
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Ambiguous on April 10, 2017, 10:02:25 am
It'd be proper banter if Assad chemical struck a US base
That would be some awesome banter
All aboard the banter nuke.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on April 11, 2017, 12:23:44 am
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/syria-trudeau-assad-attacks-1.4063464

I hope he falls down a well.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Ambiguous on April 11, 2017, 07:28:45 am
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/syria-trudeau-assad-attacks-1.4063464

I hope he falls down a well.
+1 to that.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on April 11, 2017, 05:17:11 pm
Trump seems to have made quite a bit of progress with China. I personally think speculation that his little firework show over Syria was a show for Xi Jinping is much more believable than a far-fetched ploy with Putin. But who knows anymore, amiright.

I wish
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: junedragon on April 11, 2017, 05:36:41 pm
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/syria-trudeau-assad-attacks-1.4063464

I hope he falls down a well.
+1 to that.

Nice hair though
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on April 11, 2017, 08:07:14 pm
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/syria-trudeau-assad-attacks-1.4063464

I hope he falls down a well.
+1 to that.

Nice hair though
StillNotReady
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on April 12, 2017, 10:40:33 am
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/syria-trudeau-assad-attacks-1.4063464

I hope he falls down a well.

You know that's literally what the coalition at first proclaimed? Literally almost all of Europe went into the operation with this in mind.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on April 12, 2017, 09:35:49 pm
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/syria-trudeau-assad-attacks-1.4063464

I hope he falls down a well.

You know that's literally what the coalition at first proclaimed? Literally almost all of Europe went into the operation with this in mind.
I mean it doesn't make it any better. Its retarded to think that Syria will become more stable if Assad capitulates.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Rutger Müller on April 12, 2017, 10:31:59 pm
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/syria-trudeau-assad-attacks-1.4063464

I hope he falls down a well.

You know that's literally what the coalition at first proclaimed? Literally almost all of Europe went into the operation with this in mind.
I mean it doesn't make it any better. Its retarded to think that Syria will become more stable if Assad capitulates.
nah, lets remove the only secular and semi stable government in the region
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: MrTiki on April 13, 2017, 01:28:16 am
Well lets put it this way, if you're going to openly attack a sovereign nation, you'd better have a damn good reason (like intending to depose the leader for using chemical weapons against civilians).
If you're not willing to do that, then why attack them at all? Just leave them alone to keep fucking themselves over and make America great again. I mean that's what Trump kept telling people that they should be doing, at least while it wasn't him calling the shots.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on April 13, 2017, 01:59:01 am
Well lets put it this way, if you're going to openly attack a sovereign nation, you'd better have a damn good reason (like intending to depose the leader for using chemical weapons against civilians).
If you're not willing to do that, then why attack them at all? Just leave them alone to keep fucking themselves over and make America great again. I mean that's what Trump kept telling people that they should be doing, at least while it wasn't him calling the shots.
True, those missiles cost over 100 million and where basically a waste of time.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Karth on April 13, 2017, 04:58:49 am
Not really, I'd agree they were a waste if Assad uses chemical weapons again, but thus far he has not
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on April 13, 2017, 11:16:23 am
True, those missiles cost over 100 million and where basically a waste of time.

more like a million, but yeah.


I mean it doesn't make it any better. Its retarded to think that Syria will become more stable if Assad capitulates.

That's not what they're saying. They don't need Assad to capitulate. They want a regime change. A new leader, who will negotiate with..... well, the rest of the world.
Don't think that Russia is really negotiating with him. They're strongarming him. Assad doesn't talk to anyone and the reason the West wants him gone is not only because of what he did DURING the Syrian civil war, but also before it. He is a completely loose cannon.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on April 13, 2017, 08:42:09 pm
True, those missiles cost over 100 million and where basically a waste of time.

more like a million, but yeah.


I mean it doesn't make it any better. Its retarded to think that Syria will become more stable if Assad capitulates.

That's not what they're saying. They don't need Assad to capitulate. They want a regime change. A new leader, who will negotiate with..... well, the rest of the world.
Don't think that Russia is really negotiating with him. They're strongarming him. Assad doesn't talk to anyone and the reason the West wants him gone is not only because of what he did DURING the Syrian civil war, but also before it. He is a completely loose cannon.
Each missile costs over 1 million to make, and he fired 59. The number found on Wikipedia is 1.87m per unit.
Well the west can't force Assad to resign, Putin probably doesn't want him too. The rebels would likely be worst than Assad. So how do you remove Assad and install a "better" option?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Rutger Müller on April 13, 2017, 09:01:20 pm
"Assad is a lose cannon"

OYYY VEYYY
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Ambiguous on April 13, 2017, 11:11:08 pm
"Assad is a lose cannon"

OYYY VEYYY
good goy
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on April 16, 2017, 07:05:07 pm
Lmao, Erdogan won his referendum.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on April 16, 2017, 07:31:16 pm
Lmao, Erdogan won his referendum.
Oh sweet Jesus.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: joer5835 on April 16, 2017, 09:59:59 pm
It currently stands at 51% in favour ater 98% of the votes counted. I can't say I am surprised, I kinda suspected this would happen. I had hoped the referendum would fail, but alas. What I do find interesting is how really close it is, 51% is a really low majority. I was expecting somewhere around 55-60% in favour, not 51. I guess Turkey is way more divided than we thought.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on April 16, 2017, 10:11:36 pm
It currently stands at 51% in favour ater 98% of the votes counted. I can't say I am surprised, I kinda suspected this would happen. I had hoped the referendum would fail, but alas. What I do find interesting is how really close it is, 51% is a really low majority. I was expecting somewhere around 55-60% in favour, not 51. I guess Turkey is way more divided than we thought.
Won't be divided any more. All hail Erdogan.
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on April 16, 2017, 11:32:54 pm
Erdogan is a dangerous fool, but I admire some things about him.

For starters, I love how he's chosen political correctness as his weapon to use against Europe and uses it in such a mocking and blatant manner.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on April 17, 2017, 12:13:24 am
Jesus, the majority of Turks living in Europe voted 'Yes'. Good luck with that by the way, I'm sure it isn't a problem or anything...

I expect Brussels will do as little as possible, maybe send a verbal warning or a few negative tweets. Merkel will say nothing of course because she needs the Turkish vote in October & she doesn't have the guts to police the Mediterranean, so has to rely on Erdogan to do it for her in return for a hefty bribe. Between Putin, Trump and Erdogan I don't know who's done more to make the EU look weaker.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on April 17, 2017, 10:59:39 am
There is a reason the U.S. has done nothing to Turkey, too...

I thought the U.S. hated dictators? Sure.... as long as they're not an ally, play a vital part in missile defense AND happen to be in control of one of the two sea routes to Russia... How's that for a strategic ally?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on April 17, 2017, 12:01:50 pm
Damn, the French elections have actually gotten very interesting due to Melenchon. There's four candidates (Le Pen, Fillon, Macron, Melenchon) all within 3-5% of each other in the polls and only two go through. Melenchon has the momentum and it's very possible he could knock Macron off the No.2 spot and go into the final round against Le Pen, in which case the choice will be between two strongly eurosceptic candidates. Or he could knock Le Pen into third place and go up against Macron, in which case he'd stand a much better chance of winning than she would.

Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: BabyJesus on April 18, 2017, 08:14:29 pm
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on April 18, 2017, 09:25:53 pm
Jesus, the majority of Turks living in Europe and which voted in the referendum voted 'Yes'

Fixed that for you. Quite a number of people can vote but don't really care about Turkish politics one way or the other.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on April 19, 2017, 09:00:13 pm
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classic BBC
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Karth on April 19, 2017, 11:11:35 pm
Well technically they were random white people, he didn't have his eyes set on 'Joe Thomas'
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on April 20, 2017, 12:26:42 am
The headline is purposely misleading
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on April 23, 2017, 07:10:23 pm
Well yeah to garner more clicks.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on April 23, 2017, 08:16:05 pm
Looks like they're saying it'll be Macron-Le Pen if the projections hold up, though given polling stations literally just closed I'm assuming it's more of an exit poll so treat with caution.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: joer5835 on April 23, 2017, 10:32:00 pm
It's been predicted for weeks that it would eventually be Macron vs. Le Pen. The biggest surprise is to see that Melenchon ended up quite a bit lower than most expected. He's just below Fillon if the current exit polls are anything to go by. I was expecting him to at least overtake Fillon and maybe get very close to both Macron and Le Pen.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on April 23, 2017, 11:02:02 pm
Macron Président!! Macron Président!! Macron Président!!
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on April 23, 2017, 11:48:24 pm
I'm sure everyone is truly shocked that you, Furrnox, of all people support the globalist money whore who apologised for colonisation...
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: William on April 24, 2017, 06:34:47 pm
I'm sure everyone is truly shocked that you, Furrnox, of all people support the globalist money whore who apologised for colonisation...
I'm shook right now.

however, I think this is going to be a really hard victory for Le Pen because everyone else is supporting the globalist and she only advanced due to there being so many other choices in the first round. Hopefully nationalism and the love for rational thinking will triumph but if it doesn't, the EU will continue to take sovereignty away from countries and populism will take a serious blow.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on April 25, 2017, 06:11:39 am
Nationalism and rational thinking don't really mix bud.  ;)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cazasar on April 25, 2017, 06:40:49 am
I'm sure everyone is truly shocked that you, Furrnox, of all people support the globalist money whore who apologised for colonisation...
I'm shook right now.

however, I think this is going to be a really hard victory for Le Pen because everyone else is supporting the globalist and she only advanced due to there being so many other choices in the first round. Hopefully nationalism and the love for rational thinking will triumph but if it doesn't, the EU will continue to take sovereignty away from countries and populism will take a serious blow.
You are aware that globalism and the EU are one of the main reasons peace lasted for so long on our planet?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: junedragon on April 25, 2017, 07:23:47 am

I'm sure everyone is truly shocked that you, Furrnox, of all people support the globalist money whore who apologised for colonisation...
I'm shook right now.

however, I think this is going to be a really hard victory for Le Pen because everyone else is supporting the globalist and she only advanced due to there being so many other choices in the first round. Hopefully nationalism and the love for rational thinking will triumph but if it doesn't, the EU will continue to take sovereignty away from countries and populism will take a serious blow.
You are aware that globalism and the EU are one of the main reasons peace lasted for so long on our planet?

(https://i.imgur.com/mXyupD1.gif)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on April 25, 2017, 11:08:38 am
I'm sure everyone is truly shocked that you, Furrnox, of all people support the globalist money whore who apologised for colonisation...
I'm shook right now.

however, I think this is going to be a really hard victory for Le Pen because everyone else is supporting the globalist and she only advanced due to there being so many other choices in the first round. Hopefully nationalism and the love for rational thinking will triumph but if it doesn't, the EU will continue to take sovereignty away from countries and populism will take a serious blow.
You are aware that globalism and the EU are one of the main reasons peace lasted for so long on our planet?

Yeah, that or nuclear weapons.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Ambiguous on April 25, 2017, 11:23:21 am
I'm sure everyone is truly shocked that you, Furrnox, of all people support the globalist money whore who apologised for colonisation...
I'm shook right now.

however, I think this is going to be a really hard victory for Le Pen because everyone else is supporting the globalist and she only advanced due to there being so many other choices in the first round. Hopefully nationalism and the love for rational thinking will triumph but if it doesn't, the EU will continue to take sovereignty away from countries and populism will take a serious blow.
You are aware that globalism and the EU are one of the main reasons peace lasted for so long on our planet?

Yeah, that or nuclear weapons.
Mutually Assured Destruction is great.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cazasar on April 25, 2017, 02:48:40 pm
Darn that gif was a great argument, im really convinced now.

Wars are mostly fought for economical reasons. Due to globalism war hurts economy more then it gives you anything. If im wrong pls tell me why and dont answer in shitty futurama gifs.

On another note: Anyone here watch Designated Survivor on Netflix? The PC narrative is horrible and really hurts a good show.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: junedragon on April 25, 2017, 03:56:58 pm
Darn that gif was a great argument, im really convinced now.

Wars are mostly fought for economical reasons. Due to globalism war hurts economy more then it gives you anything. If im wrong pls tell me why and dont answer in shitty futurama gifs.

On another note: Anyone here watch Designated Survivor on Netflix? The PC narrative is horrible and really hurts a good show.

The League of Nations was the first attempt and failed hard. The EU, the UN, and all the other pseudo one world government bullshit have been hilariously powerless to prevent conflicts. They failed with Korea. They failed with Vietnam. They failed to calm down the cold war at all. They failed Poland and much of Eastern Europe who they left to be annexed and brutally opressed for decades. They failed in Yugoslavia. They failed in Darfur. They failed in Rwanda. They failed in Iraq (repeatedly) and Kuwait. They failed in Afghanistan. Never in the history of mankind have institutions with such a  comprehensive track record of failure accumulated as much power and taxpayer money as the globalist ones today.

There are two and only two reasons we haven't seen World War III:

1) Mutuallly Assured Destruction

and

2) Bypassing all the globalist institutions and their convoluted BS, the direct Washington-Moscow Hotline

Also your premise that war is financially motivated is fundamentally flawed. Financial gain can be a motive, but war is, at its core, about control. Hitler called it Lebensraum (and enforced racial "purity"). The USSR wanted to "export" their revolution. The US and USSR both viewed enforcing their will in Korea and Vietnam as vital national interests. Even Saddam, who was seen as invading Kuwait for thwir oil fields, actually seemed more interested in enforcing perceived ancestral claims on the land.  Also just look at how much the US has spent on the "war on terror".

Declaring war in this time period is declaring that in spite of the UN et. al. you believe you have suffficient power to bypass their efforts via force of arms. This is especially true for major powers who know they risk something far more important than money if they escalate a conflict too far; their very existence. This is also why we have seen so many proxy wars as they have been the only means of acquiring "allies" (protectorates in reality) in key areas to project power just like a global game of chess.

WWIII hasnt been prevented by the EU, the UN, or any such body. Its been prevented because no one has attained the confidence that they can escalate a conflict anywhere near that extent without being wiped off the face of the planet.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on April 25, 2017, 04:57:29 pm
And I think the existence of a hegemon that has shown willingness to intervene in regional wars is a bit of a deterrent
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: William on April 25, 2017, 05:31:33 pm
What sucks is that the world population is growing at an extreme rate and we won't have the resources to support this many people. It's time for a good war honestly so we can remedy this problem /s

Nationalism and rational thinking don't really mix bud.  ;)
Oil (Islam) and Water (Secularism/Christians) cannot mix no matter how much you stir the mixture. You fools keep trying to coexist but how can you coexist with something that shares little to no common values and morals.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Rutger Müller on April 25, 2017, 06:30:53 pm
Nationalism and rational thinking don't really mix bud.  ;)
putting your country first and wanting to improve it is now irrational
who else but...
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on April 25, 2017, 08:48:13 pm
Nationalism and rational thinking don't really mix bud.  ;)
putting your country first and wanting to improve it is now irrational
who else but...
(https://i.redd.it/uoo7eb3rhvgy.png)
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Hell hath no fury like a Swede lusting for brown cock
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on April 25, 2017, 10:35:19 pm
Immense national pride within a nation, with two nationalistic self/nation serving leaders managed to cause both world wars that crippled the country and Europe each time. But nationalism is the best ofc.

I think Nationalism is good, but if you only look to serve your nation then that's when I start to worry. The only conflicts that have occurred in Europe since WW2 have been internal struggles mostly dealing with civil unrest post-communism. If you look at how often nations fought prior to the world wars you notice its a lot more. And it was usually because of a leader looking into their countries "national interst."
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on April 25, 2017, 11:35:24 pm
What sucks is that the world population is growing at an extreme rate and we won't have the resources to support this many people. It's time for a good war honestly so we can remedy this problem /s

When you claim to be a rational thinker and say the solution to the worlds problems is a "good war".
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: MrTiki on April 26, 2017, 12:30:34 am
Anyone who believes in the mighty protective power of MAD just hasn't watched enough "Yes Minister".

But seriously though, nuclear weapons are only a last resort, and as such are something we would only ever use if the USSR Russia were to nuke/invade us personally. What if they fly planes into our airspace? No nukes. What if they annex part of Ukraine? No nukes. What if they annex all of Eastern Europe? Still no nukes. What if they take over the entire planet except for nations with nuclear weapons? No thermonuclear annihilation.
And anyway it's not like they'll stop terrorist attacks or guerrilla style attacks a la Crimea. They're essentially only for use against other nuclear attacks, ergo, they're completely pointless.
Just scrap them (pretend we still have some if you must?). They're a huge waste of money.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Rutger Müller on April 26, 2017, 03:33:57 am
What sucks is that the world population is growing at an extreme rate and we won't have the resources to support this many people. It's time for a good war honestly so we can remedy this problem /s

When you claim to be a rational thinker and say the solution to the worlds problems is a "good war".
when you don't even acknowledge the plebbit tier "/s"
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on April 26, 2017, 10:33:19 am
Anyone who believes in the mighty protective power of MAD just hasn't watched enough "Yes Minister".

But seriously though, nuclear weapons are only a last resort, and as such are something we would only ever use if the USSR Russia were to nuke/invade us personally. What if they fly planes into our airspace? No nukes. What if they annex part of Ukraine? No nukes. What if they annex all of Eastern Europe? Still no nukes. What if they take over the entire planet except for nations with nuclear weapons? No thermonuclear annihilation.
And anyway it's not like they'll stop terrorist attacks or guerrilla style attacks a la Crimea. They're essentially only for use against other nuclear attacks, ergo, they're completely pointless.
Just scrap them (pretend we still have some if you must?). They're a huge waste of money.

If it wasn't for nuclear weapons there would have been a third world war between NATO and the Warsaw Pact. Anyway they're here to stay, more countries are getting them and you can't realistically expect Kim Jong-Un, Putin or the Iranians to give up theirs.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on April 27, 2017, 02:45:12 am
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/04/25/schumer-its-not-a-negotiation-no-wall/

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Trump's started to do some disastrous things ever since he started taking presidential counsel off of his daughter.

It's funny, a few weeks ago I was stumped as to why Ben Shapiro was flaming Ivanka's role in the White House so much on FB... he was right lol
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on April 27, 2017, 12:18:56 pm
What sucks is that the world population is growing at an extreme rate and we won't have the resources to support this many people. It's time for a good war honestly so we can remedy this problem /s

Nationalism and rational thinking don't really mix bud.  ;)
Oil (Islam) and Water (Secularism/Christians) cannot mix no matter how much you stir the mixture. You fools keep trying to coexist but how can you coexist with something that shares little to no common values and morals.

Humans are not bacteria that will continue to grow exponentially. We are not going to continue duplicating ourselfs and then suddenly burst into flames because we are producing to much heat. The population can only grow as much as there are resources to support the population. So yeah... If there are only enough resources to support 7 billion people, then there wont be 8 billion people because the 1 billion extra is just going to die off. Besides that, almost all countries are developing into industrialized countries (slower or faster, but they are) and as such the population is going to stabilize at some point. It is only a matter of time until the current trend in industrialized countries (Low birth rate) kicks over to currently non industrialized countries.

The current population growth is not going to continue forever, it is going to stop and the worlds population will stabilize at some point.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on April 27, 2017, 09:23:44 pm
Yeah, reassuring foreign leaders that a multinational important trade deal isn't going to be arbitrarily blown up immediately is such an inconsistent move from his campaign goals. Lol.
The US dept of commerce recently informed the Canadian government that a duty would be applied on Canadian lumber exports ( I think), so I don't think he's thrown protectionism out of the window.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on April 27, 2017, 09:30:19 pm
Yeah, reassuring foreign leaders that a multinational important trade deal isn't going to be arbitrarily blown up immediately is such an inconsistent move from his campaign goals. Lol.
The US dept of commerce recently informed the Canadian government that a duty would be applied on Canadian lumber exports ( I think), so I don't think he's thrown protectionism out of the window.
lol, like the U.S hasn't done enough to the lumber industry.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on April 27, 2017, 11:17:00 pm
Yeah, reassuring foreign leaders that a multinational important trade deal isn't going to be arbitrarily blown up immediately is such an inconsistent move from his campaign goals. Lol.
The US dept of commerce recently informed the Canadian government that a duty would be applied on Canadian lumber exports ( I think), so I don't think he's thrown protectionism out of the window.
lol, like the U.S hasn't done enough to the lumber industry.
The only thing I was really worried about with Trump was his protectionism. Our economy has suffered enough
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on April 28, 2017, 05:11:20 am
Leaving an agreement like NAFTA would require more than one executive order, and probably would have to go through congress, too. As the British people know, triggering Article 50 does not mean you've left, it means you intend to leave, and i'll bet my house the executive order was the same intention - notifying of intent and beginning the process. Or, maybe, just even beginning renegotiation.

Let's talk about that picture:

No wall: Erecting a border wall is not an easy process, but something he said he'd do and is doing is increasing CDP funding : https://gyazo.com/86ee1e11ba3e2302f0d2977087aed951 (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/photo-essays/2017-04-26/guns-drones-and-night-vision-where-trump-s-border-patrol-goes-shopping)

No lock her up: I'm glad no one actually took that seriously. I'm glad he's not doing that, only an Obama DOJ would target political adversaries for political gain, and as Sessions has said multiple times he's not down for that.

Muslim ban: The myth that it's a "Muslim" ban has already been debunked, but calling it shitty just seems desperate. Why is it shitty - the fact that the 9th circuit struck it down, or the fact that it's only 6 countries? Still, it'll face the supreme court soon enough.

Israel is our greatest ally: Well, no, the UK or Canada is, and it's been a long standing tradition of the US to support Israel, but if you're specifically talking about greatest ally in the Middle East, wouldn't most Trump supporters rather see the Israelis over the Saudis in US foreign policy?

No mass deportations: Glad to see you're always high, or just not in touch with anyone in the US south - deportations on masse have for sure been occuring :
http://www.businessinsider.com/mexico-preparations-for-mass-deportations-by-donald-trump-2017-2

Obamacare 2.0: Well, even though it failed, it clearly differed from Obamacare on a lot of important concepts: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/06/us/politics/republican-obamacare-replacement.html?_r=1

Cabinet full of billionares and globalists: Billionares for sure, but as much as I can recall the only quasi-globalists on the team are Ivanka and Jared, and they only have advisory roles in cabinet, so.. Also important to note that there isn't anything wrong with billionares as cabinet members, is there? Many like Tillerson have overseas connections and contacts that others simply don't have.

Most hated president: Giving him this title like 110 days in? Give me a fucking break lol, that's grasping at straws. If his numbers rest at the dislike levels they sit at now at the end of term i'll eat my hat.

No reversal of the demographic shift: Like this would ever happen overnight. This point is insane - how can you possibly expect to change one of the foundations of society in less than half a year? Are you high?

Honestly, this just seems like you didn't go in depth on many of these issues.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on April 28, 2017, 05:22:16 am
Might want to extend your sources to be broader than WSJ, NYT and /pol/ bait
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: BabyJesus on April 28, 2017, 06:08:45 am
Someone want to write my political science final exam for me?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on April 28, 2017, 07:30:50 am
Might want to extend your sources to be broader than WSJ, NYT and /pol/ bait
Yes
Someone want to write my political science final exam for me?
I gotchu. Got 40.5/50 on my political theory exam
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Karth on April 28, 2017, 06:06:05 pm
NAFTA is a waste, we don't need Canada or Mexico cuz we are America  8)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on April 28, 2017, 09:02:58 pm
NAFTA is a waste, we don't need Canada or Mexico cuz we are America  8)
no plz
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on April 28, 2017, 09:28:23 pm
NAFTA is a waste, we don't need Canada or Mexico cuz we are America  8)
Yea the U.S has never needed Canada or Mexico.
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: joer5835 on April 28, 2017, 10:27:13 pm
Never forget the timeless epic Saving Private Ramirez.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on April 28, 2017, 10:49:17 pm
The Longest Día
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on April 29, 2017, 02:04:29 am
That wasn't Mexico wtf
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: BabyJesus on April 29, 2017, 06:15:35 am
NAFTA is a waste, we don't need Canada or Mexico cuz we are America  8)
Yea the U.S has never needed Canada or Mexico.
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Mexico better than Canada and Great Britain confirmed?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on April 29, 2017, 06:55:11 am
Having to gang up to defeat one country hahaha, do the Allies have no shame?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: MrTiki on April 30, 2017, 12:46:06 am
No mass deportations: Glad to see you're always high, or just not in touch with anyone in the US south - deportations on masse have for sure been occuring :
http://www.businessinsider.com/mexico-preparations-for-mass-deportations-by-donald-trump-2017-2
En masse means happening all at once.
As for mass deportations, well...
>135 deportees
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on April 30, 2017, 02:42:42 am
No mass deportations: Glad to see you're always high, or just not in touch with anyone in the US south - deportations on masse have for sure been occuring :
http://www.businessinsider.com/mexico-preparations-for-mass-deportations-by-donald-trump-2017-2
En masse means happening all at once.
As for mass deportations, well...
>135 deportees
For some reason, I was thinking on mass, but wanted to say en masse, and typed the middle. Canadian education system!
But you're right, my terminology was wrong
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on April 30, 2017, 04:48:57 am
Trump hasn't put the Mexicans and concentration camps yet, declared Women 2nd class citizens, and formed the 4th Reich yet.

I'm disappointed I voted for him.

Perhaps trusting Huff post/NYT about his policy during the campaign was a bad move.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: MrTiki on May 02, 2017, 12:46:11 pm
France mimicking the US
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-39779548/watch-le-pen-plagiarises-fillon-speech
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on May 02, 2017, 05:16:33 pm
France mimicking the US
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-39779548/watch-le-pen-plagiarises-fillon-speech

who doesn't want to mimic the best country on earth 8)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Karth on May 02, 2017, 05:32:35 pm
Travel warning issued against all of Europe, all Europeans are terrorists confirmed  8)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: LiquidSkorpion on May 02, 2017, 05:35:53 pm
Does that travel warning apply to every country in Europe?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Karth on May 02, 2017, 05:58:24 pm
Does that travel warning apply to every country in Europe?
https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/Europe.html
Pretty much yea, although cites specific countries with recent terrorist attacks like U.K. And France
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: LiquidSkorpion on May 02, 2017, 06:01:44 pm
"Expires September 1st" Lol. Wow
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on May 02, 2017, 06:24:45 pm
Its silly anyway. It's not like Europe is in a Civil War or something.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on May 02, 2017, 08:11:23 pm
Its silly anyway. It's not like Europe is in a Civil War or something.

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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 02, 2017, 08:53:24 pm
Travel warning issued against all of Europe, all Europeans are terrorists confirmed  8)

Not even mad, ISIS are humiliating us at this point:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/28/islamic-state-fighters-infiltrate-europe-posing-injured-libyan-soldiers
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on May 02, 2017, 08:55:33 pm
So ridiculous that Trump is placing checks on EU travellers, all we've done is let several million unchecked people from a warzone into our countries jeez what a tyrant.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on May 02, 2017, 09:05:29 pm
Er - a travel warning for all of the EU? Might as well post a travel warning to Canada too
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 02, 2017, 09:22:53 pm
It's all right lads. They're women and kids, they can't harm us. Just look at those 14 """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""teenagers"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" brought into London last year  :)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on May 02, 2017, 09:23:09 pm
Since the Muslim travel ban failed it looks like hes trying to make up in other ways. Hes already been breaking promises left right and centre. This is fucking stupid seeing there has been a continuation of no terrorist attacks on the U.S since the election. But hey, if it makes muh voter base feel safe.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 02, 2017, 09:57:40 pm
But hey, if it makes muh voter base feel safe.

Well durr, people vote with their hearts, which is why we have crazy self-destructive liberal governments on one hand and someone like Trump on the other.

Everything will be fine as long as Trump nukes North Korea, forget the wall. Wasn't a big deal anyway.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: MrTiki on May 03, 2017, 02:04:08 am
Hang on though, a travel warning is very different. Surely that means that the US is saying "be careful travelling to these countries" rather than doing anything to limit immigration.
That's standard following terrorist attacks etc, although applying it to the entirety of Europe is a bit pointless; IS aren't about to bomb Portugal.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on May 03, 2017, 02:47:52 am
That's standard following terrorist attacks etc, although applying it to the entirety of Europe is a bit pointless; IS aren't about to bomb Portugal.

Why wouldn't they?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on May 03, 2017, 03:07:06 am
That's standard following terrorist attacks etc, although applying it to the entirety of Europe is a bit pointless; IS aren't about to bomb Portugal.

Why wouldn't they?
Because its discount Spain.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Karth on May 03, 2017, 04:21:47 am
Hang on though, a travel warning is very different. Surely that means that the US is saying "be careful travelling to these countries" rather than doing anything to limit immigration.
That's standard following terrorist attacks etc, although applying it to the entirety of Europe is a bit pointless; IS aren't about to bomb Portugal.
No putting a travel alert administered by the state dept is not normal for Europe, this is a first. And I know schools and universities do take it seriously, regarding summer programs and trips to Europe I'm sure there will be a decline

A travel warning is saying: we highly discourage going to those countries, imminent danger (like Afghanistan or Sudan lol)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on May 03, 2017, 04:25:59 am
Yeah I read through the list. Afghanistan, Sudan, Eritrea...

Isreal and Turkey also make sense, kind of. Then comes Europe :P All of it...
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on May 03, 2017, 07:41:05 am
Yeah I don't get this lol
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on May 03, 2017, 07:32:21 pm
So ridiculous that Trump is placing checks on EU travellers, all we've done is let several million unchecked people from a warzone into our countries jeez what a tyrant.

 How often does one have to point out that nearly all terrorist attacks weren't performed by refugees?


On a completely different note: the Bundeswehr is having its own moment of shame.... dayum...
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on May 03, 2017, 07:36:53 pm
Yeah I read through the list. Afghanistan, Sudan, Eritrea...

Isreal and Turkey also make sense, kind of. Then comes Europe :P All of it...

Israel and Turkey are on almost all warning lists in Western countries... They're both on the Red-flag list for the DoD for most countries...

Sure, the largest parts of Israel and Turkey as as safe as any large city (talking world cities like Istanbul or Jerusalem) but the simple fact an armed conflict is taking place near or on its borders or has taken place in very recent times make it an orange or a red flag.

Or any country with an unstable or dictatorial government. All the countries on the lists make perfect sense... except all countries in Europe. By all accounts, the European continent hasn't ever been as safe as it is at the moment.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 03, 2017, 08:34:54 pm
How often does one have to point out that nearly all terrorist attacks weren't performed by refugees?

How often do the NA & European intelligence agencies have to point out that there are going to be more attacks via the refugee flow? Inserting terrorists into the West is atop of ISIS' 2017 agenda.
The CIA said last year that the terrorist group’s official strategy is to hide its operatives among refugees entering Europe and the United States via human flows out of the Middle East and North Africa.

They've already had plenty of success:

- Two of the airport and Metro attacks in Brussels last year had fought in Syria and gained entry back into Belgium.

- The German press has reported refugee knife and ax attacks on innocents.
 - Nov. 13, 2015, massacre in Paris — two posed as refugees from Syria — and the Christmastime truck carnage in Berlin.

- Shortly before he left his post as NATO commander, Air Force Gen. Philip Breedlove said in March that the Islamic State had injected 1,500 fighters into Europe. (That year, a Syrian Islamic State operative told Britain’s Daily Express that more than 4,000 fighters had already been smuggled into Europe.)

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/29/isis-finds-success-infiltrating-terrorists-into-re/

By all accounts, the European continent hasn't ever been as safe as it is at the moment.

Yes, Riddlez, your precious EU clearly has an airtight grip on ISIS and vetting the refugees.

Funny how a group of mass murders in the Middle East have identified the weaknesses of your empathy politics, yet you're still oblivious. Really though, what can we except from such an out of touch idealist like yourself.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on May 03, 2017, 09:14:59 pm
Oh please, the murder rate in the US is 4.3 times higher than the murder rate in Germany or 5.57 times higher than the murder rate in the Netherlands... 

Is the US save? Yes! Is the EU save? Yes!
And it is true, it is probably the safest time on the European continent since like ever.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on May 03, 2017, 09:17:24 pm
Terror attacks are nothing new in Europe, it is, admittedly, in a form that is rather new, but then again, one cannot expect something like this to stay the same.

ANd Europe doesn't have to have an airtight grip on ISIS to be safe, the terror attacks are sporadic, most of them are not even linked to ISIS (except people claiming they do it in name of, which is bad in and on intself, but really there is no securing against lone wolfs like that - they would've found another excuse to kill people, this time it was ISIS). Yes what Breedlove said is very worrying indeed, but the fact the EU has identified 1500 ISIS fighters says something about the security services in Europe, be it individually. And really, going off the claims of a single 'ISIS operative' to take a wild guess at how many ISIS fighters are in Europe is letting yourself fall prey to fear, which is exactly what the goal of terrorists is.

They will not by a long shot even come remotely close to destabalising Europe by the rate at which they're going through us, not even remotely close.
Not to downplay the impact terrorist attacks have on individual ives - they're horrible and ruin families - they are insignificant losses when compared to the death toll caused by smoking, car accidents or people falling down stairs.

If I were to claim car accidents will bring down the stability of Europe and make a serious argument about it, I'd be put in a mental hospital. But somehow, we think terrorists will conquer the lands of Europe and have of force-choked on the qu'ran in a matter of years...


And while ISIS fighters posed a refugees on 13/11, they were still French. THe Brussels attacks were performed by Belgiums... Nice attacks were performed by a Tunesian who had been living in France since 2005 (6 years before the Syrian civil war started)
Granted the German 2016 attacks were performed by someone who entered as a refugee, but that is it for the larger terror attacks. The rest were so small scaled and only perpetrated in name of ISIS rather than the terrorists themselves being likely to actually have been part of ISIS that I still cannot see the point of how enormous a threat ISIS is to the EU.

Yes, they must be fought. Yes, major resources should be made available to counter-terrorism. But no, it is not a significant stability threat to European countries.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on May 03, 2017, 09:23:44 pm
The IRA was more of threat than ISIS ever was/will be.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on May 03, 2017, 09:26:06 pm
The IRA was more of threat than ISIS ever was/will be.
When you look in mirrors do you even see yourself?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Karth on May 03, 2017, 09:27:54 pm
The IRA was more of threat than ISIS ever was/will be.
Err wouldn't go to that extent...
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on May 03, 2017, 09:33:24 pm
I am talking about ISIS operations in the EU. Ofc they are a large threat in the middle east and if they manage to get an actual stable foothold there, that would be a major problem, but as it stands right now with occasional sporadic terrorist attacks, they pose no huge threat.

I mean sure, I see your point and my comparison is not the best... All I am saying is that the IRA did this shit for 30 years.

Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: LiquidSkorpion on May 03, 2017, 09:40:45 pm
IRA has killed roughly 3700 people in its 30 years of existence. ISIS has killed roughly 400 in Europe in 3 years.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on May 03, 2017, 09:43:50 pm
So multiply that by ten and you get roughly the same count...

Edit:

Also, I count "just" 278 people killed by ISIS since 2013.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: LiquidSkorpion on May 03, 2017, 09:48:25 pm
Yeah. Wasnt trying to discredit it.

Figures differ on the source, hence the roughly. Also, im pretty sure the 400 is with Turkey as well, otherwise it is moreso 300ish.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 03, 2017, 10:03:37 pm
Oh please, the murder rate in the US is 4.3 times higher than the murder rate in Germany or 5.57 times higher than the murder rate in the Netherlands... 

Is the US save, yes! Is the EU save, yes!
And it is true, it is probably the safest time on the European continent since like ever.

I fear you've fallen victim to the media or the words of Barrack Obama. Between January 2009 and December 2015 the European Union suffered 303 deaths from mass public shootings, while the US had 199. These mass shootings are defined as an attacked in a public place where four or more people are killed.

Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcrimeresearch.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F06%2FAnnual-Death-Rate-from-MPS-Europe-and-US-2009-to-2015.jpg&hash=4c816cfd4eb8e3e81482bd5644733c0618d78c93)

http://crimeresearch.org/2016/01/compared-to-europe-the-us-falls-in-rank-for-fatalities-and-frequency-of-mass-public-shootings-now-ranks-11th-in-fatalities-and-12th-in-frequency/

Schildkraut and Elsass shared the summary information from their database with PolitiFact. Here’s their table:

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/sTbiw2S8fHl89qyY6AXbohcKkvXrCTKg33VwEQ-n-JieBT9aW1mr8d8s65TxJJj-nOCRfN6e1L_wJ8qC8efdaa530z35xQ_cwcGE2g-n98rRB7SprMFZrnpjhvEUgxNKyK_h_OU)

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/22/barack-obama/barack-obama-correct-mass-killings-dont-happen-oth/

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As you can see, the EU isn't exactly as free from political extremists and school shooters (the American favourites) as you'd like to believe. I wouldn't start drawing comparisons, personally.

And while ISIS fighters posed a refugees on 13/11, they were still French. THe Brussels attacks were performed by Belgiums... Nice attacks were performed by a Tunesian who had been living in France since 2005 (6 years before the Syrian civil war started)
Granted the German 2016 attacks were performed by someone who entered as a refugee, but that is it for the larger terror attacks. The rest were so small scaled and only perpetrated in name of ISIS rather than the terrorists themselves being likely to actually have been part of ISIS that I still cannot see the point of how enormous a threat ISIS is to the EU.

ISIS isn't an ideology, however the home grown terrorists kill in the same name as them. Killing in the name of "ISIS" isn't a far stretch different from killing in the name of Islam itself. As Steven Chilton pointed out before, ISIS is very much driven by their conservative and traditional interpretation of Islam. I'm not claiming that ISIS are going to bring the EU to heel, but it stands to reason than the refugees are much more susceptible to radicalization after they are abandoned by EU governments after being let through the front door, and as a result, more likely to commit further mass
murders (which you incorrectly stated they haven't done already). As for the French ( ;D ) terrorists:

Cut the virtue signalling bullshit Riddlez
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/DF4E/production/_89466175_paris_attack_teams_624_27_04_16.jpg)
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The IRA was more of threat than ISIS ever was/will be.

The difference being the IRA had a specific goal and weren't killing strictly in the name of religion. Moreso, the IRA were made up of Irish born fighters and were not imported to Europe by silly idealistic leftists like yourself.

Jesus Christ Olafson, you fucking ooze white guilt. That's the fine German curriculum for you (I have a friend in Germany who attends public high school, he goes into great detail about it. Funny stuff).
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on May 03, 2017, 10:26:48 pm
I couldn't find a single death caused by terror on U.S soil that could have been prevented had Trumps travel ban been in place since 2000. Majority of terrorist attacks since 9/11 have all been radicalized born U.S citizens. Same with all of the recent attacks in the EU. There is almost not factual proof too show how a travel ban would curb attacks on the U.S. But evidence doesn't seem to really affect him nor is it required when he makes claims.

Edit: 1 death
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on May 03, 2017, 10:38:37 pm
I wonder, how many of those terror attacks were committed be people who had recently been radicalized by or in the 6 countries listed? Which may not have been in the travel ban, ofc, but still shows those countries pose security threats
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on May 04, 2017, 01:38:58 am
I wonder, how many of those terror attacks were committed be people who had recently been radicalized by or in the 6 countries listed? Which may not have been in the travel ban, ofc, but still shows those countries pose security threats
Very few. A majority seemed to be radicalized by international terrorist groups, or claimed to have committed their killings in the name of a terror group based in one of those countries. It shows they pose a security threat, but its all rhetoric in terms of what a government should actually do about it. Its like how animal rights activists use seals as a way to turn people against hunters. Seals probably are the smallest problem but they make such an easy example with which to win people over. Radicalized refugees are just an easy way to claim an actual problem shouldn't be solved, because the numbers show - people fleeing tyranny and civil war don't want to get extradited to a country they just fled from. I give zero fucks about Muslims or their problems but claiming they are a major threat to national security that requires immediate attention is just plain illogical.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on May 04, 2017, 01:47:35 am
Eh, but I was not talking about mass shootings. I was talking about the murder rate in general.

Btw. from your own link:
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given the EU’s larger population, the per million people fatality rate for the US and the EU as a whole are virtually identical (0.62 for the US and 0.60 for the EU).  By contrast, the injury rate in the EU is much higher (0.61 for the US and 1.34 for the EU).

So my point still stands, the US is just as save as the EU.

I also was not counting Turkey or any of the other countries that are outside of the EU. Hence the 200ish count.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: MrTiki on May 04, 2017, 02:08:22 am
Conway, would you mind sharing your source? Just curious as to where you can find out the specific details of each terrorist attack etc.

Also RickPerry, you realise that the EU has over double the US population right? That's including the Paris attacks, which are single handedly half of the total number killed. I'm not saying not to include it, but if you were to look up until October 2015 instead it'd be a ridiculous difference (over twice as many deaths per capita in the US if I'm not mistaken). If you were to extend it to include 2016, you'd have a massive relative drop in the EU and a massive increase in the US (Orlando etc).

Now, if you look at total number of mass shootings, in the past 50 years (until the end of 2016) there have only been 90 in the US (by your metric). That being said, there have only been ~292 in the entire rest of the world.

If you have a point to make you can make statistics say whatever you want.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on May 04, 2017, 02:26:49 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States - Majority of all attacks where U.S born with non Islamic ideals. Specific Islamic section allows you to view it quicker. Only one to kill someone that was on the list banned was from Somalia. Checked back to each killers origin as its listen on the page linked by their name.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on May 04, 2017, 02:44:53 am
I looked it up earlier and it seems that most Terrorist attacks in Europe and the US are caused/have been caused by separatist movements (Right wing/Left wing bullshit), now I tried to find the link again but I just can not find the source.
But this is what I remember. Tell me if I am wrong, I might remember it wrong.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 04, 2017, 02:50:51 am
Btw. from your own link:
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given the EU’s larger population, the per million people fatality rate for the US and the EU as a whole are virtually identical (0.62 for the US and 0.60 for the EU).  By contrast, the injury rate in the EU is much higher (0.61 for the US and 1.34 for the EU).

So my point still stands, the US is just as save as the EU.

Depends on who you are, since EU attacks tend to claim more lives thus increasing the chance someone like you and I are caught up in them:

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Deaths from mass public shootings where at least 15 people have been killed (1970 through January 30, 2017)
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcrimeresearch.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F04%2FScreen-Shot-2017-01-30-at-Monday-January-30-6.39-AM-768x159.png&hash=a27591471f68c99c0d6fbaf11ace56236410d6c1)
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I'd encourage you to read the list of the largest mass shootings throughout the world:

Religion of peace (http://crimeresearch.org/2017/01/with-39-killed-in-tunisia-attack-the-top-three-mass-public-shootings-are-outside-the-united-states/)

Also RickPerry, you realise that the EU has over double the US population right? That's including the Paris attacks, which are single handedly half of the total number killed. I'm not saying not to include it, but if you were to look up until October 2015 instead it'd be a ridiculous difference (over twice as many deaths per capita in the US if I'm not mistaken). If you were to extend it to include 2016, you'd have a massive relative drop in the EU and a massive increase in the US (Orlando etc).

I can make it fairer, if you'd like:

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"Obama doesn’t need to look any further than France, which last year suffered 532 casualties (killings and woundings) versus 396 in the US during the first seven full years of the Obama administration from 2009 through 2015."

get culturally enriched
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on May 04, 2017, 11:33:26 am
Great memes here tbh
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on May 04, 2017, 01:20:42 pm
Yeah. Wasnt trying to discredit it.

Figures differ on the source, hence the roughly. Also, im pretty sure the 400 is with Turkey as well, otherwise it is moreso 300ish.

You could argue a lot about the numbers, but a number of Intelligence agencies do not count deaths cuased by terrorists with no ties to ISIS besides claiming it's in their name.

ISIS itself is rather weak and not even close to their power they had two years ago...They've lost a lot of their resources and since 2013, since they've been in the medai such a fuckton, it has become a political priority to hunt them down, which Europe has done rather successfully. The fight on their land is going well (not for ISIS).

Their current threat is at its lowest in a long time, but mostly because they suck at conventional warfare and therefore have lost most of their means to fight... I mean... there are multiple SOF who claim you barely needed cover when fighting terrorists when it initially started. This has changed, though still... they're shit fighters.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 04, 2017, 08:50:28 pm
Great memes here tbh

Doesn't really matter if ISIS suddenly disappeared from the ME all together, there's still this to worry about (1m 44s is the best part):

https://youtu.be/S4K4okVa7dU

The video might be banned in Germany so apologies in advance, Olafson
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on May 05, 2017, 01:06:08 pm
A considerable number of clips from that vid were from riots cuaed by football, political protests in South-America and anti-government protests in Turkey
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Jakester on May 05, 2017, 06:46:20 pm
A considerable number of clips from that vid were from riots cuaed by football, political protests in South-America and anti-government protests in Turkey
Arguably the most concerning part of that was the comments made by some of the Muslims in the video, and the ideology they carry. Also the clips from that German University, this all is just a big problem and to be perfectly honest Europe should not be taking in these refugees in such high numbers with so little concern over who they are.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 05, 2017, 08:16:09 pm
A considerable number of clips from that vid were from riots cuaed by football, political protests in South-America and anti-government protests in Turkey

The beginning clips are very much authentic - there are many cases of refugees being dumped somewhere very nice and scenic by the government. The most popular case in the UK is that of Longford, a pleasant little village that was terrorised by refugees after they pulled up in a bus and set up camp in people's gardens.

Arguably the most concerning part of that was the comments made by some of the Muslims in the video, and the ideology they carry. Also the clips from that German University, this all is just a big problem and to be perfectly honest Europe should not be taking in these refugees in such high numbers with so little concern over who they are.

Pretty much. Though the """refugees""" chimping out and screaming "MONEYYYY!" at the camera isn't enough evidence of ill intent for Riddlez and Mr "The IRA are worse than ISIS" Olafson.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: William on May 05, 2017, 08:23:59 pm
I'm pretty sure most EU apologists would take it up the ass by a rapeugee and still claim that it's good because they've been culturally enriched like never before ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on May 05, 2017, 09:21:37 pm
Pretty much. Though the """refugees""" chimping out and screaming "MONEYYYY!" at the camera isn't enough evidence of ill intent for Riddlez and Mr "The IRA are worse than ISIS" Olafson.

Hardly. I just don't believe refugees are different people than any of us. Actual war refugees are mostly desperate. This leads to erratic behaviour when, after a journey (aka hell) of a couple of weeks of trafvelling through hostile land, you are denied what you are desperate for. Be that something as simple as safety, or simply because where you come from is a shit place to exist.

And then there's others. You can genuinly believe you want a better chance at life. I mean who can blame anyone who wants that? And you have another group who are lazy as fuck and wouldn't have thrived in any country, much less their own. If you're not willing to contribute to the society you live in then you can't be expected to have any sort of success anywhere else.

For that last group, I can without any remorse proclaim they're not our problem (I'm not talking about war or political refugees, I am a firm believer in humanitarian law, we're obligated to take them in). So they can fuck off for all I care. If you're not born a useless shit in Europe, then we are entitled to be assholes and filter you out from our lands.
For that first group... If they come here, I believe (and you can argue with that, this is just what I feel) we are obligated to give them a chance and thus a place here. Yes, their coiuntry needs them harder than we do, but they'r already here and by all international law we must give them a chance. That they can't or won't stay in their own country is not their fault, it's a leadership error and a failure to help other country by the international community (another belief, I strongly advise not to argue with that one, you won't change my mind). If anyone claims 'that is not our problem', then I think that to be medieval. Everyone profits from a world of developed countries, it would solve more problems than I can think of.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on May 05, 2017, 09:45:34 pm
Given all refugees from Syria had to pass through at least one safe country to get to Europe, under international law they are no longer classed as refugees.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cazasar on May 05, 2017, 10:44:09 pm
I'm pretty sure most EU apologists would take it up the ass by a rapeugee and still claim that it's good because they've been culturally enriched like never before ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
wat

Im for the EU and against Refugess. Does that fit into your black and white world?

What is it with linear world views anyway. I feel like political diversity simply stopped to exist.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on May 05, 2017, 11:09:01 pm
Given all refugees from Syria had to pass through at least one safe country to get to Europe, under international law they are no longer classed as refugees.

Then my other points still stand.
Can't blame them for choosing Germany, The Netherlands over 'safe' countries. Besides, those countries are at maximum capacity anyways.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on May 05, 2017, 11:17:31 pm
Given all refugees from Syria had to pass through at least one safe country to get to Europe, under international law they are no longer classed as refugees.

Then my other points still stand.
Can't blame them for choosing Germany, The Netherlands over 'safe' countries. Besides, those countries are at maximum capacity anyways.

And the UK agreed to accept a large number from Calais who were complaining France wasn't good enough, as well as men in their 30s posing as children.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Karth on May 06, 2017, 12:35:17 am
Do any of you actually think allowing millions of refugees into Europe is beneficial to your own country's economic/social development? 'cultural enrichment' lol
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on May 06, 2017, 12:34:20 pm
Definitely not cultural enrichtment... really dont get that argument. At the moment it doesnt nessecarily benefit anything really... though there will come a time in the foreseeable future where we either need to fuck more, or need moor immigrants.


On a completely seperate note: the Dutch commander of the armed forces went on record stating populism is an indirect threat to our country's safety. I don't disagree, I am suprised he is getting involved in political affairs publicly... the military usually tries to stay well clear of that.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on May 06, 2017, 03:30:06 pm
Definitely not cultural enrichtment... really dont get that argument. At the moment it doesnt nessecarily benefit anything really... though there will come a time in the foreseeable future where we either need to fuck more, or need moor immigrants.

Well given the EU average fertility rate is 1.58 children per woman I'd say time's essentially already run out-I guess Europe won't be colonising the Solar System anytime soon.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cazasar on May 06, 2017, 04:33:18 pm
Definitely not cultural enrichtment... really dont get that argument. At the moment it doesnt nessecarily benefit anything really... though there will come a time in the foreseeable future where we either need to fuck more, or need moor immigrants.


On a completely seperate note: the Dutch commander of the armed forces went on record stating populism is an indirect threat to our country's safety. I don't disagree, I am suprised he is getting involved in political affairs publicly... the military usually tries to stay well clear of that.
No we dont need to fuck more and we dont need more fucking immigrants.

Jobs are declining, automatisation will elimate almost all low income Jobs. We need to decrease our Numbers now or face a dystopian future were the majority of people will be unemployed.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: MrTiki on May 07, 2017, 10:03:52 pm
Vive l'Empereur.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 07, 2017, 10:11:19 pm
http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/124522113

pure comedy
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on May 07, 2017, 10:14:34 pm
It's 4chan... it could be a staged comedy show for all we know... I mean... who knows what truly goes on there?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on May 07, 2017, 10:19:18 pm
The fact that the alt-right has been cucked so far this year is what I call comedy. Le Pen and Wilders lost, Farage fell off the face of the earth and Trump has done fuck all in 100+ days.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 07, 2017, 10:24:27 pm
Anyone who opposes the EU is alt-right!

You Europhiles and your labels  ::)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on May 07, 2017, 10:28:08 pm
Anyone who opposes the EU is alt-right!

You Europhiles and your labels  ::)
I mean they've basically been held in providence by the alt-right, despite all of them being relatively shitty politicians.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 07, 2017, 10:32:23 pm
I'm sure your Rothschild banker candidate will have the best interests of the French people in mind.

Don't forget to make sure armed military are guarding the polling booths so that you are not culturally enriched while casting your vote.

france yes
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: William on May 07, 2017, 10:35:32 pm
Can't argue with democracy, even if it voted in the other favor. I just love how the media blacked out and didn't report on the emails as if the bias wasn't already strong enough. I hope there's some rife stuff in there for the next few years.

Anyhow, to close with some final words: France, once the people that stopped the Muslim invasion of Europe, have now embraced Islam. It's all come full circle.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on May 07, 2017, 10:48:06 pm
I don't know why we're complaining, as Le Pen said this whole election has been a win for the Euro-skeptic right. The PS in ruins, the republicans weak, and the last two candidates in the French election being a social liberal and fiscal/defense centre-right? No one can argue France has shifted right and even if they stay centre-right I'm fine with that. I'll take a Macron win over anyone else in that election if it means the top two French parties become the renamed FN and a centrist EM. This is like if both Democrat and Republican candidates lost to the Libertarians and a centrist independent, and that's a win for everyone involved.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on May 07, 2017, 11:05:25 pm
He won't have a majority in the French Parliament so the next 5 years will be difficult for him. Le Pen was obviously never going to win before 2022, but FN have clearly made a lot of progress and we'll see how many Assembly members and senators they get. Italy is the one to watch and an Italian exit from the Eurozone is still more likely than not, which should be enough to bring the whole project crashing down. That doesn't even rely on 5 Star winning in 2018 by the way, it could just as easily be triggered by an Italian banking collapse or a combination of the two.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on May 07, 2017, 11:20:37 pm
I just love how the media blacked out and didn't report on the emails as if the bias wasn't already strong enough. I

They didn't report it because it's illegal.

Quote from Dutch Media NOS (I translated it myself so bear with me please):


"The hack is major news, still French media reports nothing about it. They are not allowed to publish the contents of the emails. Publication is seen as a crime. According to French Election Law, it's illegal anyhow to speak to campaign workers just before election day."


They also report it's extremely likely the contents will be spilled all over the media as soon as tomorrow.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 07, 2017, 11:44:10 pm
They were no where as near as bad as Clinton's, anyway.

Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Duuring on May 08, 2017, 01:02:15 am
"Next time guys! Surely, next time!"
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on May 08, 2017, 03:57:02 am
"Next time guys! Surely, next time!"
-Democracts in 2016
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 08, 2017, 05:33:38 am
Also, the army was put in place because of the massive rioting of the people that did not want to vote for either Macaroni or Le Penis. Not because of "le scary Muslims", you massive sperg.

Incorrect as usual, armed officers and sniffer dogs were placed on sight among terror threats:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4481796/Louvre-courtyard-evacuated-security-alert.html?ito=social-facebook

massive rioting

Hahaha, don't flatter yourself. I checked up on the riots to find they'd already been quelled within the hour. Absolutely pathetic, but I wouldn't expect else from subhuman Anfaggots like yourself.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 08, 2017, 06:47:49 am
Is that the best you can do?

One of your articles is pure speculation of what could break out (it didn't):
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/22/presidential-election-could-lead-rioting-french-cities-intelligence/

The other talks about 50,000 police and elite soldiers standing on guard due to the ISLAMIC TERROR that has plagued the country:
Quote
"Speaking after an emergency meeting of top security officials, Prime Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said all elite units were on top alert for the election to back up the 50,000 police already earmarked for special election duty."

"Nothing must be allowed to impede the fundamental democratic process of our country. It falls to us not to give in to fear and intimidation and manipulation which would play into the hands of the enemy."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-21/paris-shooting-france-enlists-elite-soldiers-to-guard-election/8462522

Do the French consider their own civilians "the enemy"?

Do you read your articles before linking them as source? Your "riots" had an impact of fucking zilch.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 08, 2017, 07:18:59 am
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Do the French consider their own civilians "the enemy"?

Isn't that the reason behind all the support for Le Pen? Because she is going to fight for "their interests."?

So which is it?

The PM clearly stated that the armed guards were assigned to their post to ward off "intimidation and manipulation", the two things Islamic terrorists currently strive for. As if that wasn't enough evidence within itself, the article then states the threat level of terror in France - Jesus Christ, the entire article is based on Islamic terror, rioting doesn't cross the mind of the reader.

Tell me, do you have a wardrobe full of tinfoil hats or does the same one suffice over and over? Not everything is a hidden message from the elite. The PM's reasoning for stationing guards is one sound and based upon the fact that hundreds have been killed by the very real threat that is Islamic terror. The fact you think you and your blackblock buddies are on their level, and would have the attention of the government, is pure ignorance.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on May 08, 2017, 12:12:57 pm
Can we like.... Keep the voices down a bit? This thread has been going fine for at least 100 pages... please let the ad-hominems not influence that streak. Show we're better tha US politics thread.

Spoiler
I'm not really asking
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More on topic:

Those soldiers are mostly for show and preventing a panic. It is an established idea in counter-terrorism that the more visible you are, the more the crowd things you're getting things done, but the less you're actually achieving.
The most successfull counter-terrorism operations (as had been deployed after the Brussel Bombings) were for the far, far greatest part invisible to the public. Systems then were unlocked that are normally prevented from being used by privacy law (yes, that is a things, does actually happen and is abided by (yeah I was surprised too).

A regular increased presence is only a little less capable than the soldiers you see on the pictures. Yes I am aware that is contra-intuitive, but that is how it goes. Especially in the major cities there is armed police spec-ops on-scene within 5 minutes. In those couple minutes, sure, The Legion can make a difference but it is necligable to the costs and effort it is to keep the lads on the streets. More police almost reaches the same effect.

Spoiler
And because I know you're going to ask for sources:
Gendarmerie general, couple of staff officers
A marine major
Former Military intelligence director
Some civilian Ph.D. lecturers
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on May 08, 2017, 12:52:48 pm
Not trying to gloat, but are things seriously that bad that France (and other EU countries) had to put armed police and the actual military on the streets during an election? From a British perspective that seems insane.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: joer5835 on May 08, 2017, 01:37:32 pm
Can't really comment on France, but I believe it was to counter both protests and give people the feeling that they were safe. Even if nothing has happened for quite a while, people will always feel insecure. Perhaps some natural Frenchie can shed some light on this, as we're all just speculating on it.

As for other countries, there were no soldiers deployed to guard polling booths during the Dutch elections.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on May 08, 2017, 01:42:10 pm
Not trying to gloat, but are things seriously that bad that France (and other EU countries) had to put armed police and the actual military on the streets during an election? From a British perspective that seems insane.

It is insane. As I said it's noting but show.


As for other countries, there were no soldiers deployed to guard polling booths during the Dutch elections.

Technically there were, since the KMar are military personnel as well... buit otherwise? No. The army is only considered to being deployed at the highest threat level or on individual occasions, such as the Brussel Bombings when I think a single company was deployed for border control.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 08, 2017, 07:14:13 pm
This is coming from the guy that thinks the EU is some sort of race mixing project lel.

Eh? Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi (may peace be upon him) said that, not me.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on May 08, 2017, 09:59:59 pm
Well that didn't take long.

http://www.politico.eu/article/juncker-the-french-spend-too-much-money/

And this from a man who was allegedly drunk again at a UN summit in Cyprus last week. Juncker has already ruled out a second term (quite unusual I might add-he's basically admitted he's not up to it) but he should go now to spare himself further embarrassment.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on May 08, 2017, 10:35:16 pm
Aren't French soldiers deployed under Operation Sentinel?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Op%C3%A9ration_Sentinelle
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: MrTiki on May 09, 2017, 02:00:30 am
They are, but that's not related to the elections. A massive number of soldiers and police are already deployed 24/7 in France atm. It's been that way for ages, which from what I heard has been really taking its toll on both military and police forces through exhaustion from the sheer number of hours they're having to put in.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on May 09, 2017, 02:17:29 am
Well that didn't take long.

http://www.politico.eu/article/juncker-the-french-spend-too-much-money/

And this from a man who was allegedly drunk again at a UN summit in Cyprus last week. Juncker has already ruled out a second term (quite unusual I might add-he's basically admitted he's not up to it) but he should go now to spare himself further embarrassment.

Juncker is a twat just look up the contreversies revolving him as PM of Luxembourg.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Portals on May 09, 2017, 02:29:36 am
Can't argue with democracy, even if it voted in the other favor. I just love how the media blacked out and didn't report on the emails as if the bias wasn't already strong enough. I hope there's some rife stuff in there for the next few years.

Anyhow, to close with some final words: France, once the people that stopped the Muslim invasion of Europe, have now embraced Islam. It's all come full circle.

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Zhere's shome top notch ideology straight from zhe trashcan. I mean, I'm talking shome really pure schtuff.*sniff* Maybe this garbage has been schtinking for a while in the hot shun. Uh vote for Macron ish apperantly a vote for scharia law, and embracing Islam and so on and so on.I guess things just sorta come together when looking into the trash. tugs shirt Zhis ish shuch a silly train of tought it's shurprishing that it even exist. I suppose ideology ish a powerful thing
*sniff*
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cara on May 09, 2017, 10:34:50 am
They are, but that's not related to the elections. A massive number of soldiers and police are already deployed 24/7 in France atm. It's been that way for ages, which from what I heard has been really taking its toll on both military and police forces through exhaustion from the sheer number of hours they're having to put in.

Exactly. However, it's also right that it has been increased for the elections, considering our intelligence did thwart at least 3 attacks (one was imminent against one candidate).


On the contrary of what I've read here, there is a big difference between the military deployed to prevent a terrorist attack to happen in Paris, the regular police forces deployed to secure the election (I'm one of those) and the riot police deployed to face the post-election demonstration. I know it's hard to understand but there is a big legal difference in how you can use these forces. And the 8 may demonstration against the president-elect was not massive, it was the usual far-left/anarchists people.


About the "Macronleaks", there was no black-out from french news :
- Most major newspapers did mention it but did not reveal the content for two reasons (stated by Le Monde's director) : 1/ they refuse to be used by these wikileaks activists the day before the election 2/ They weren't able yet to read it all and see if there was something relevant or only personnal stuff and meetings organisation.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on May 09, 2017, 02:16:00 pm
Wasn't there also suspicions that some of the "leaks" where fake?

Anyhow former PM Manuel Valls links up with En Marche! Opinions?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cara on May 09, 2017, 04:07:41 pm
Wasn't there also suspicions that some of the "leaks" where fake?

Anyhow former PM Manuel Valls links up with En Marche! Opinions?

Yeah exactly as Richard Ferrand, Macron's spokesman, said today in a newsconference. A judge has opened an investigation we will see.

He said it but "En Marche!" replied that he didn't follow their investiture protocol ;) He is politically close of Macron but he is too linked to the precedent presidency.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on May 09, 2017, 04:20:10 pm
Oh wow what an idiot.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on May 09, 2017, 06:11:40 pm
Anyhow former PM Manuel Valls links up with En Marche! Opinions?

He needs a lifeboat and En Marche! is the only one available. Duh.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on May 09, 2017, 10:16:29 pm
Weren't even WikiLeaks skeptical about the relevance of the leaks? That's what I saw from them on Twitter at least
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on May 12, 2017, 05:19:33 pm
Looks like the French are working on their next set of demands from the rest of the EU-lets hope sufficient pieces of silver can be found in time. Never understood why Britain always got the blame for not putting 'Europe' first.

http://www.euractiv.com/section/future-eu/opinion/an-outside-the-box-solution-to-brexit-and-the-strasbourg-seat/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1494600819
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on May 12, 2017, 05:32:52 pm
Strasbourg is the logical choice
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on May 13, 2017, 12:22:09 am
Can't say that I care where it's put if Strasbourg is the most cost effective choice then sure why not?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on May 13, 2017, 10:15:47 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixEahmx0Btw

Sad! Down with Trump!

Completely legit news
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on May 13, 2017, 01:10:41 pm
It is noteworthy, indeed. And I am not kidding. It says a lot how a person wants to come across.

Or it is a subtle note of power to people he needs/wants to coerce into doing something. If that is the case, he probably didn't think about it himself (because really, nobody does)
If it's not, then it's extremely childish and inconsiderate. Again, says something about a person's character.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Peppers on May 13, 2017, 03:56:56 pm
Rly makes U think
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 14, 2017, 12:50:22 am
Really gets the noggin' joggin'


really stimulates the synapses
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on May 14, 2017, 03:07:10 am
Makes those neurons fire
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on May 15, 2017, 11:40:55 am
Though, really... The fact you need to report on it either means:
- Your country has so few problems there is nothing else to report
- There genuinly is nothing to report that day
- Your journalists aren't capable of doing more
- There is news, but it's too complex to dumb down for a news report
Spoiler
Nah really those reporters were all hoping for a scandal, couldn't find one, so they created one.

It's all a leftist conspiracy of the Goldman-Sachs news agencies who want to reinstall communism.

Spoiler
Nah really it was the democrats
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on May 15, 2017, 12:13:47 pm
Really hitting hard with good points Riddlez. Really makes me do the :thinking:
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on May 15, 2017, 01:30:06 pm
Here to inspire
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on May 15, 2017, 05:02:35 pm
Though, really... The fact you need to report on it either means:
- Your country has so few problems there is nothing else to report
- There genuinly is nothing to report that day
- Your journalists aren't capable of doing more
- There is news, but it's too complex to dumb down for a news report
Spoiler
Nah really those reporters were all hoping for a scandal, couldn't find one, so they created one.

It's all a leftist conspiracy of the Goldman-Sachs news agencies who want to reinstall communism.

Spoiler
Nah really it was the democrats
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Alex Jones would be impressed.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on May 15, 2017, 11:09:08 pm
I AM Alex Jones
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on May 16, 2017, 03:52:52 am
Was it the
"democrats"
or the
"Democrats"
Cause that's important
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on May 16, 2017, 05:44:26 pm
Well, because stupid questions don't exist: with a capital D
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on May 16, 2017, 09:10:25 pm
Not really a stupid question ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 21, 2017, 03:01:39 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw3w3bt9JGI
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on May 21, 2017, 07:56:06 am
Saudi Arabia one of the most oppressive countries in the middle east and ally to the USA "the land of the free".
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Jakester on May 21, 2017, 05:51:20 pm
Saudi Arabia one of the most oppressive countries in the middle east and ally to the USA "the land of the free".
at least the Saudi country is not deeply enveloped in civil war from a series of terrible dictators. They can at least be worked with to be less oppressive in the future, whereas most other countries in the middle east (excluding Israel) literally have no government in power and instead are fighting each other.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: William on May 21, 2017, 06:59:52 pm
Saudi Arabia one of the most oppressive countries in the middle east and ally to the USA "the land of the free".
They aren't a great country and SA funds a lot of Sunni terrorists but they're a major trade ally and military ally in the region. It's better to have a friend, however bad he may be, then be alone when you charge in. 

From what I've heard there is a massive trade deal that is/went down but I'd be interested to see if Trump could get SA to take in Syrian refugees so Europe can stop cucking itself over them
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on May 21, 2017, 07:29:05 pm
I can see why they are valuable to the U.S in the region. But its honestly stupid to sell them a fuckton of weapons seeing they don't really co-operate with the U.S as much as they should and, you know. Hate Israel. 
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on May 21, 2017, 10:12:49 pm
I can see why they are valuable to the U.S in the region. But its honestly stupid to sell them a fuckton of weapons seeing they don't really co-operate with the U.S as much as they should and, you know. Hate Israel.

Who else is going to buy them? Plus I think you'll find the Saudis don't hate Israel nearly as much as most other Middle Eastern states, and that's mainly down to US influence. Israel and Saudi Arabia have co-operated plenty of times behind the scenes.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on May 21, 2017, 10:25:19 pm
Saudi Arabia one of the most oppressive countries in the middle east and ally to the USA "the land of the free".
They aren't a great country and SA funds a lot of Sunni terrorists but they're a major trade ally and military ally in the region. It's better to have a friend, however bad he may be, then be alone when you charge in. 

From what I've heard there is a massive trade deal that is/went down but I'd be interested to see if Trump could get SA to take in Syrian refugees so Europe can stop cucking itself over them
Besides, it's better to have Saudia Arabia as a stable ally in the Middle East, with Iraq and Syria in shambles and Iran as a religious state.
You realize those states don't accept refugees because those countries already repress political liberty, right? Taking in refugees from an active rebellion in a close country doesn't seem like the best move for your political stability. They also control OPEC (which fucked Canada, by the way) and as Steven said, they aren't hellbent on destroying Israel. Doesn't make them a 10/10 ally but it's more like 7/10, and in the mid east you take what you can get

Edit: Holy shit, anyone else see the deals reaching in Saudi Arabia? this is truly history
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on May 22, 2017, 08:25:30 pm
Theodin, Canada's oil industry (or should I say, Alberta's oil industry) is fucked mainly by Quebec, especially that moron Coderre in Montreal who objects to pipelines on environmental grounds but then dumps 8 billion litres of raw sewage into the Saint Lawrence River. Naturally the Quebecois expect their equalisation payments to be funded by Albertan oil however. Tbh we should have done what the Americans did in Louisiana with the Cajun and properly make them integrate, but it's way too late for that now.

Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on May 22, 2017, 08:39:45 pm
Theodin, Canada's oil industry (or should I say, Alberta's oil industry) is fucked mainly by Quebec, especially that moron Coderre in Montreal who objects to pipelines on environmental grounds but then dumps 8 billion litres of raw sewage into the Saint Lawrence River. Naturally the Quebecois expect their equalisation payments to be funded by Albertan oil however. Tbh we should have done what the Americans did in Louisiana with the Cajun and properly make them integrate, but it's way too late for that now.
A lot of the Frenchies in Louisiana where forced out of Newfoundland and Acadia by the British Government. Would have been to many in Quebec, they caused enough rebellions as it was.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on May 22, 2017, 10:25:28 pm
Theodin, Canada's oil industry (or should I say, Alberta's oil industry) is fucked mainly by Quebec, especially that moron Coderre in Montreal who objects to pipelines on environmental grounds but then dumps 8 billion litres of raw sewage into the Saint Lawrence River. Naturally the Quebecois expect their equalisation payments to be funded by Albertan oil however. Tbh we should have done what the Americans did in Louisiana with the Cajun and properly make them integrate, but it's way too late for that now.
Oh for sure. Also the fact that BC won't let pipelines through either, leaving all the oil trapped in Alberta with no real way to get it out.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on May 23, 2017, 12:43:34 am
BC can do no wrong, they have the word 'British' in the title  ;)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on May 23, 2017, 02:07:31 am
BC can do no wrong, they have the word 'British' in the title  ;)
True I forgot
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on May 23, 2017, 04:59:55 am
Saudi Arabia one of the most oppressive countries in the middle east and ally to the USA "the land of the free".
They aren't a great country and SA funds a lot of Sunni terrorists but they're a major trade ally and military ally in the region. It's better to have a friend, however bad he may be, then be alone when you charge in. 

From what I've heard there is a massive trade deal that is/went down but I'd be interested to see if Trump could get SA to take in Syrian refugees so Europe can stop cucking itself over them
Besides, it's better to have Saudia Arabia as a stable ally in the Middle East, with Iraq and Syria in shambles and Iran as a religious state.
You realize those states don't accept refugees because those countries already repress political liberty, right? Taking in refugees from an active rebellion in a close country doesn't seem like the best move for your political stability. They also control OPEC (which fucked Canada, by the way) and as Steven said, they aren't hellbent on destroying Israel. Doesn't make them a 10/10 ally but it's more like 7/10, and in the mid east you take what you can get

Edit: Holy shit, anyone else see the deals reaching in Saudi Arabia? this is truly history

Like Saudi Arabia isn't a religious state..
Saudi Arabia is worse towards women than even Iran is.

Iran is even more democratic then Saudi Arabia and that's saying something.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on May 23, 2017, 05:10:58 am
Saudi Arabia one of the most oppressive countries in the middle east and ally to the USA "the land of the free".
They aren't a great country and SA funds a lot of Sunni terrorists but they're a major trade ally and military ally in the region. It's better to have a friend, however bad he may be, then be alone when you charge in. 

From what I've heard there is a massive trade deal that is/went down but I'd be interested to see if Trump could get SA to take in Syrian refugees so Europe can stop cucking itself over them
Besides, it's better to have Saudia Arabia as a stable ally in the Middle East, with Iraq and Syria in shambles and Iran as a religious state.
You realize those states don't accept refugees because those countries already repress political liberty, right? Taking in refugees from an active rebellion in a close country doesn't seem like the best move for your political stability. They also control OPEC (which fucked Canada, by the way) and as Steven said, they aren't hellbent on destroying Israel. Doesn't make them a 10/10 ally but it's more like 7/10, and in the mid east you take what you can get

Edit: Holy shit, anyone else see the deals reaching in Saudi Arabia? this is truly history

Like Saudi Arabia isn't a religious state..
Saudi Arabia is worse towards women than even Iran is.
Where did I say that Saudi Arabia wasn't? Of course they're a religious state, but the difference is Iran believes in the destruction of infidelity, and Saudi Arabia doesn't. There's difference between a religious fanatic state and a religious state
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on May 23, 2017, 05:19:21 am
Okay dude in one of the countries you get lashed for spending to much time with a person of the opposite sex if you're not related. Guess which one does that.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/34513278/what-you-can-be-flogged-for-in-saudi-arabia

That list is pretty cool over all.

True 7/10 ally.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/263646/lashing-and-flogging-islam-and-iran-dr-majid-rafizadeh

Iran is pretty bad to though.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on May 23, 2017, 05:44:00 am
No one is denying the justice practiced in Iran and Saudia Arabia is terrible and cruel. But again, Saudia Arabia's foreign policy goals are NOT the destruction of Israel and worldwide Islam by force if need be. Moreover, they cooperate with the US diplomatically and militarily and at least attempt to cut funding to terror groups in the region. Iran gets a total of 0/3 with those. That's why Saudia Arabia is an ally - who else in the region can say they do those three things?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on May 23, 2017, 08:07:47 am
"While Saudi Arabia is often a secondary source of funds and support for terror movements who can find more motivated and ideologically invested benefactors (e.g. Qatar), Saudi Arabia arguably remains the most prolific sponsor of international Islamist terrorism, allegedly supporting groups as disparate as the Afghanistan Taliban, Al Qaeda, Lashkar-e-Taiba and the Al-Nusra Front."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism

There's also this but that's only allegations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_Saudi_role_in_September_11_attacks

I think no democratic nation should ally itself with a nation like Saudi Arabia who have no democratic ideals and treat about 50% of their population like shit.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Olafson on May 23, 2017, 11:02:53 am
Please. Any country should be friends with them. They have oil.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Cazasar on May 23, 2017, 12:27:18 pm
I just want to point out that while Irans Goverment might have some weird ideas, the difference to Saudia Arabia is that most Iranian People do NOT agree with them and would rather see the country more open and free (look at the last election, or speak to People from Iran). My father visits Iran quite often due to work, and tbh its not nearly as shitty as you make it out to be. I advice you look up how for example the young adults of Iran behave/party, they just arent very religious at all. Iran > Saudi Wahabism Arabia anyday fam
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on May 23, 2017, 01:07:03 pm
True the Sweden hijab controversy opened my eyes to a liberal movement in Iran.
I applaud them for their efforts and the criticism they gave to our government.

Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: William on May 23, 2017, 05:36:13 pm
People forget that Iran used to be incredibly secular under the rule of the Shaw. Here's a good visual representation
http://www.businessinsider.com/iran-before-the-revolution-in-photos-2015-4/#ese-reforms-included-the-structuring-of-iran-around-a-central-persian-identity-the-often-brutal-suppression-of-tribes-and-their-laws-in-exchange-for-strong-a-central-government-and-the-expansion-of-womans-rights-7 (http://www.businessinsider.com/iran-before-the-revolution-in-photos-2015-4/#ese-reforms-included-the-structuring-of-iran-around-a-central-persian-identity-the-often-brutal-suppression-of-tribes-and-their-laws-in-exchange-for-strong-a-central-government-and-the-expansion-of-womans-rights-7)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on May 23, 2017, 06:47:01 pm
Well yeah I think that's a big reason to why there's such a large liberal movement in Iran.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on May 23, 2017, 07:51:30 pm
That, and the internet.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: William on May 24, 2017, 06:02:40 pm
In my opinion, I personally prefer a secular Iran to that of a Wahhabi state such as Saudi Arabia but the U.S.  will never ally with Iran because of the revolution and its aftermath, and their alliance with Russia and the strong North Korean connection. Hopefully if a liberal movement does show up, it will propel Iran forward in a positive manner, or so we can hope. I don't think a Conservative U.S. President would be the person to extend the peace flag though so Iran is going to be in the dust for quite some time
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on May 25, 2017, 06:13:12 pm
Of course it's always better to be a secular state but very few countries in the world actually are just look at the Republicans in the US.
They want to pass so many laws based on religious "morals" it's insanity.

Now I'm not saying that the US isn't a secular nation, but what I am saying is that there's politicians in most countries secular or not who take their god into consideration before making a decision which is bad.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Marceaux on May 25, 2017, 06:26:51 pm
Im still sad that Le Pen lost...
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on May 25, 2017, 06:28:57 pm
Good, I'm still sad that Donald Trump is your president constantly making a fool of himself.
(Also he's making policies which are bad for the entire planet.)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: William on May 25, 2017, 06:44:49 pm
Glad the POTUS is calling out NATO members about 2% spending of their GDP for defense. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that all the member nations need to pay if they expect us start world war 3 for them, especially a small country such as Lithuania or Latvia

I think we should nuke Sweden to make an example of those who don't pay the 2% rule /s
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on May 25, 2017, 06:47:51 pm
That doesn't make any sense we're not even in NATO.

Nice bait though.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on May 25, 2017, 06:58:45 pm
Good, I'm still sad that Donald Trump is your president constantly making a fool of himself.
(Also he's making policies which are bad for the entire planet.)
Who are you virtue signalling to?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on May 25, 2017, 07:09:10 pm
"clean coal"
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 25, 2017, 07:28:58 pm
Edit: Lol that avatar, nice try though
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on May 25, 2017, 08:54:23 pm
How about you just make one huge post instead of waiting until someone posts to express your grievances/baits, otherwise you're just gonna be ignored
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 25, 2017, 11:22:56 pm
Trump met with world leaders at the NATO headquarters today, hilarity ensued:

Very short videos of the highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWISsAanWWw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WqJkWntgSg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH5XeHaEEaY
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Marceaux on May 26, 2017, 05:02:45 am
Trump met with world leaders at the NATO headquarters today, hilarity ensued:

Very short videos of the highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWISsAanWWw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WqJkWntgSg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH5XeHaEEaY
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This man Trump is the biggest meme to ever touch the earth. That fucking NATO diss had me lmfao!!! and the fucking Montenegro guy getting pushed to the side honestly had me on the floor rofling!!!
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: BabyJesus on May 26, 2017, 05:29:57 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVGrZb5gCbE
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Hadhod on May 26, 2017, 06:12:57 am
Gotta love how Macron beats Trump at his own game
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Noorwegian on May 26, 2017, 11:29:34 am
Trump met with world leaders at the NATO headquarters today, hilarity ensued:

Very short videos of the highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWISsAanWWw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WqJkWntgSg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH5XeHaEEaY
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This man Trump is the biggest meme to ever touch the earth. That fucking NATO diss had me lmfao!!! and the fucking Montenegro guy getting pushed to the side honestly had me on the floor rofling!!!

And Montenegro who just joined NATO... I'm sure they're regretting it already hahah
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 26, 2017, 02:04:23 pm
You may get the impression that Trump was off the rails during the meet up, but that's not really the case. If you watch the full broadcast you'll notice there's was A LOT of tension between Trump and the Europhile leaders, with both sides playing games throughout the day.

Especially Macron! He was... less than respectful.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Hadhod on May 26, 2017, 02:24:10 pm
You may get the impression that Trump was off the rails during the meet up, but that's not really the case. If you watch the full broadcast you'll notice there's was A LOT of tension between Trump and the Europhile leaders, with both sides playing games throughout the day.

Especially Macron! He was... less than respectful.
LOL

Trump is such a moron it hurts. He brought up this retarded primal alpha male demeanour and when other country leaders start paying him back in his own coin he starts to behave like a petulant child.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cahph7TR0YA
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 26, 2017, 02:31:57 pm
You may get the impression that Trump was off the rails during the meet up, but that's not really the case. If you watch the full broadcast you'll notice there's was A LOT of tension between Trump and the Europhile leaders, with both sides playing games throughout the day.

Especially Macron! He was... less than respectful.

Trump is such a moron it hurts. He brought up this retarded primal alpha male demeanour and when other country leaders start paying him back in his own coin he starts to behave like a petulant child.

Certainly nothing alpha about snubbing the man who just paid for your nice building. That's the opposite of alpha, actually. It's full bitch mode.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on May 26, 2017, 07:38:22 pm
Trump met with world leaders at the NATO headquarters today, hilarity ensued:

Very short videos of the highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWISsAanWWw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WqJkWntgSg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH5XeHaEEaY
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This man Trump is the biggest meme to ever touch the earth. That fucking NATO diss had me lmfao!!! and the fucking Montenegro guy getting pushed to the side honestly had me on the floor rofling!!!

And Montenegro who just joined NATO... I'm sure they're regretting it already hahah
I don't think you regret joining a military alliance with half of Europe and the only superpower remaining because your head of state gets moved aside at a conference by the US President. Where's the logic there???
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on May 26, 2017, 07:58:23 pm
Looks like we have a late entry as to which world "leader" can be the biggest douche-bag at the NATO summit, so Trump and Macron may have to step up their game if they wish to compete...

Spoiler
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAxVI_1WAAAUBrP.jpg:large)
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on May 26, 2017, 08:40:47 pm
He's a douche because of his socks?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on May 26, 2017, 08:59:46 pm
He's a douchebag because he thinks other world leaders give a fuck about that sort of thing. I think they've concluded he's a lightweight judging by what happened next:

Spoiler
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAxROWLV0AAxJku.jpg:large)
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on May 26, 2017, 09:08:58 pm
He fucking is a lightweight. Watching Mulcair grilling him in parliament can make my day. His entire government can't answer fucking questions.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on May 26, 2017, 09:20:28 pm
Looks like we have a late entry as to which world "leader" can be the biggest douche-bag at the NATO summit, so Trump and Macron may have to step up their game if they wish to compete...

Spoiler
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAxVI_1WAAAUBrP.jpg:large)
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FacePalm
Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on May 26, 2017, 09:25:22 pm
I don't know much about Canadian politics he might be a lightweight (I don't know) but I don't think showing off your socks make you a douche lol.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on May 26, 2017, 09:28:31 pm
One more day until the Tories get a new leader. Please god have it be Bernier. If O'Leary gets it I'm voting NDP probably.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on May 26, 2017, 09:32:14 pm
One more day until the Tories get a new leader. Please god have it be Bernier. If O'Leary gets it I'm voting NDP probably.
He dropped out ages ago lol
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on May 26, 2017, 09:37:32 pm
One more day until the Tories get a new leader. Please god have it be Bernier. If O'Leary gets it I'm voting NDP probably.
He dropped out ages ago lol
I got worried for a second and though Bernier dropped out, cool that he'll be the next leader then.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on May 26, 2017, 09:58:07 pm
With all the fuck ups Trump has made I am suprised there isn't yet an uproar... Literally if ANY other country leader did this, they'd be cast aside and sent to the shitters.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on May 26, 2017, 10:02:42 pm
Pence policy wise is just as bad as Trump but at least he's more well spoken...
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Jakester on May 26, 2017, 10:47:32 pm
With all the fuck ups Trump has made I am suprised there isn't yet an uproar... Literally if ANY other country leader did this, they'd be cast aside and sent to the shitters.
Political drama and accusations are nothing. Sure he isn't the best president, but he certainly started off with a hell of a disadvantage considering half of the US is brainwashed and the other half are stubborn, so you pick your poison but the amount of people who can make their own decisions is very low. Anyone who thinks Trump shouldn't be president right now is just stupid, and removing him does no good either. Hell, you can even impeach him and still not remove him, but the fact of the matter is at the end of 4 years you can see what he did and didn't do, and judge him then. I can guarantee you he will make America stronger in the world standing, whether it be through reminding NATO members to pay their dues or increasing military spending, or up scaling general soldiers and personnel equipment.
On the other hand, I feel very sorry for EU countries like Poland and Hungary that are having their national sovereignty taken away from them as they resist, and I really think they ought to escape Brussels and the EU before their countries get sent straight to shit. This "migrant crisis" has plenty of better alternatives then sending more and more Islamist Fundamentalists and Radicals to Europe, dilluting and practically eradicating European Culture should you all not be careful.

Spoiler
When I say Radical and Fundamentalists, the majority of Muslims ARE radical, and here is a video and the study referenced in the video that show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/26/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/
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EDIT: Also, as I posted this I remembered that people often time say not all Muslims are terrorists or radicals and that, and yes, I am aware of that. Anyone can find an example of a specific group of people that are nice. Not all Germans were Nazis, and obviously not all Muslims are extremists and fundamentalists. The problem is that so many of them are, that it is a larger problem and a fast growing population. Many schools being set up in these countries, often called Madrassas, teach extremism and ideals that are following very strict interpertations of the Quran, and these are very popular in countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan where state funded education is often times missing.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: junedragon on May 26, 2017, 10:56:22 pm
With all the fuck ups CNN has manufactured with 0 evidence and baseless, vague rumors from "anonymous sources" about memos that may or may not exist
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on May 26, 2017, 10:59:40 pm
One more day until the Tories get a new leader. Please god have it be Bernier. If O'Leary gets it I'm voting NDP probably.

I'm hoping O'Toole gets in, seems like a great guy and the antidote to Trudeau's bullshit. Seems like Bernier will probably win though bar a major upset-he's my second choice so I don't mind. As long as Michael Chong does badly I'm happy.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: William on May 26, 2017, 11:00:51 pm
Doesn't help that the U.K. doesn't even trust us with intelligence because of how rampant the leaks are. There's a difference between exposing corruption and collusion compared to interfering with active terrorist plots and information such as that with the Manchester Attack. The best part is that the NTY and Washington Post have wet dreams thinking about posting these leaks when in reality it's doing more damage to the country.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on May 26, 2017, 11:18:34 pm
When Hillary Clinton used her email to send classified information to people with clearance Republicans freaked out.
Donald Trump gave classified information to the Russians but when he did it Republicans where okay with it.


Also "I just fired the head of the FBI. He was crazy, a real nut job... I faced great pressure because of Russia. That's taken off." -Donald J Trump
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on May 27, 2017, 01:03:01 am
When Hillary Clinton used her email to send classified information to people with clearance Republicans freaked out.
Donald Trump gave classified information to the Russians but when he did it Republicans where okay with it.


Also "I just fired the head of the FBI. He was crazy, a real nut job... I faced great pressure because of Russia. That's taken off." -Donald J Trump
While everyone's heard that sensational story, what no one knows is:
1. The relevance of the intelligence
2. The classification level
3. Whether Israel/CIA told him he could
4. What Russia gave in return
etc. But oh, Trump gave someone intelligence, must be a Russian puppet!

It's like you all ignored that Comey, in typical Comey fashion, told a high ranking politician that they weren't under investigation when he was ready to commence investigation. He also mislead CONGRESS, which is a big no no. But because Trump's been accused of being a Russian puppet, and he fired an incompetent FBI director, he MUST be a Russian puppet!
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: MrTiki on May 27, 2017, 01:43:42 am
The point is more that just because he's president doesn't mean he can't make poor decisions. The whole point of having an intelligence service is to decide what to do with information that's gathered. The president is not automatically a genius at economics, intelligence, warfare etc just by assuming the role.
Personally I find Trump's attitude towards intelligence agencies (both the censoring and free distribution) alarming. But then, why would he want the American public to be made aware of his involvements with Russia, considering the Cold-cold-war both Russia and the West seem set on.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Marceaux on May 27, 2017, 01:57:29 am
Why do people care if US and Russia are working together and are becoming closer allies? As a citizen of the US i would love to see US and Russia form a tightly knit alliance that no other nation's on earth could contest. Why does the US always have to be the "good guy" cant we stop with the caring big brother act and start looking out for ourselves.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on May 27, 2017, 02:10:18 am
Why do people care if US and Russia are working together and are becoming closer allies? As a citizen of the US i would love to see US and Russia form a tightly knit alliance that no other nation's on earth could contest. Why does the US always have to be the "good guy" cant we stop with the caring big brother act and start looking out for ourselves.

US the new edgy bad boy.

Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 27, 2017, 02:31:53 am
US the new edgy bad boy.

Spoiler
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(https://i.gyazo.com/81d52e57bb734914cfa551f0203f9973.png)
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on May 27, 2017, 04:59:17 am
All it takes to be an edgey bad boy is not hating Russia?

I better start cutting my wrists then.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on May 27, 2017, 05:04:21 am
That's not even close to what he said.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: junedragon on May 27, 2017, 05:05:27 am
All it takes to be an edgey bad boy is not hating Russia?

I better start cutting my wrists then.

You best build a bunker in your backyard and start looking for Reds under your beds cause its McCarthyism 2.0, now with less evidence!

Remember to report suspicious activities to the House Committee on Un-American Activities or you may be a RUSSIAN SYMPATHIZER
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: BabyJesus on May 27, 2017, 07:01:46 am
Impeach trump so Hillary becomes president because that's how the line of succession works
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on May 27, 2017, 09:42:16 am
When Hillary Clinton used her email to send classified information to people with clearance Republicans freaked out.
Donald Trump gave classified information to the Russians but when he did it Republicans where okay with it.


Also "I just fired the head of the FBI. He was crazy, a real nut job... I faced great pressure because of Russia. That's taken off." -Donald J Trump
While everyone's heard that sensational story, what no one knows is:
1. The relevance of the intelligence
2. The classification level
3. Whether Israel/CIA told him he could
4. What Russia gave in return
etc. But oh, Trump gave someone intelligence, must be a Russian puppet!

It's like you all ignored that Comey, in typical Comey fashion, told a high ranking politician that they weren't under investigation when he was ready to commence investigation. He also mislead CONGRESS, which is a big no no. But because Trump's been accused of being a Russian puppet, and he fired an incompetent FBI director, he MUST be a Russian puppet!
All of your points are irrelevant Trump commited high treason and he's to stupid to realize it.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on May 27, 2017, 01:55:42 pm
Lmao, Trump is hilarious
Spoiler
https://twitter.com/BBCJLandale/status/868418708502441986
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 27, 2017, 03:48:34 pm
English is the only language worth listening to  8)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on May 27, 2017, 04:12:42 pm
It is exactly this kind of stunts that I meant.... International politics is literally about details like that. It wouldn't be suprising at all if during negotiations this would be brought up.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Marceaux on May 27, 2017, 04:25:22 pm
Why do people care if US and Russia are working together and are becoming closer allies? As a citizen of the US i would love to see US and Russia form a tightly knit alliance that no other nation's on earth could contest. Why does the US always have to be the "good guy" cant we stop with the caring big brother act and start looking out for ourselves.

US the new edgy bad boy.

Please elaborate?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on May 27, 2017, 05:16:16 pm
It is exactly this kind of stunts that I meant.... International politics is literally about details like that. It wouldn't be suprising at all if during negotiations this would be brought up.

Shit boys the Italians are pissed that Trump didn't wear the stylin headphones they provided.

Guess I better stock up on Dejornos
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 27, 2017, 06:12:20 pm
It is exactly this kind of stunts that I meant.... International politics is literally about details like that. It wouldn't be suprising at all if during negotiations this would be brought up.

Shit boys the Italians are pissed that Trump didn't wear the stylin headphones they provided.

Guess I better stock up on Dejornos

Spicer to the rescue:
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Who do you believe?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on May 27, 2017, 09:14:49 pm
When Hillary Clinton used her email to send classified information to people with clearance Republicans freaked out.
Donald Trump gave classified information to the Russians but when he did it Republicans where okay with it.


Also "I just fired the head of the FBI. He was crazy, a real nut job... I faced great pressure because of Russia. That's taken off." -Donald J Trump
While everyone's heard that sensational story, what no one knows is:
1. The relevance of the intelligence
2. The classification level
3. Whether Israel/CIA told him he could
4. What Russia gave in return
etc. But oh, Trump gave someone intelligence, must be a Russian puppet!

It's like you all ignored that Comey, in typical Comey fashion, told a high ranking politician that they weren't under investigation when he was ready to commence investigation. He also mislead CONGRESS, which is a big no no. But because Trump's been accused of being a Russian puppet, and he fired an incompetent FBI director, he MUST be a Russian puppet!
All of your points are irrelevant Trump commited high treason and he's to stupid to realize it.
Good talk, i'm convinced now
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: junedragon on May 27, 2017, 09:33:16 pm
When Hillary Clinton used her email to send classified information to people with clearance Republicans freaked out.
Donald Trump gave classified information to the Russians but when he did it Republicans where okay with it.


Also "I just fired the head of the FBI. He was crazy, a real nut job... I faced great pressure because of Russia. That's taken off." -Donald J Trump
While everyone's heard that sensational story, what no one knows is:
1. The relevance of the intelligence
2. The classification level
3. Whether Israel/CIA told him he could
4. What Russia gave in return
etc. But oh, Trump gave someone intelligence, must be a Russian puppet!

It's like you all ignored that Comey, in typical Comey fashion, told a high ranking politician that they weren't under investigation when he was ready to commence investigation. He also mislead CONGRESS, which is a big no no. But because Trump's been accused of being a Russian puppet, and he fired an incompetent FBI director, he MUST be a Russian puppet!
All of your points are irrelevant Trump commited high treason and he's to stupid to realize it.


commited high treason and he's to stupid to realize it.


commited high treason and he's to stupid to realize it.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: BabyJesus on May 27, 2017, 10:00:04 pm
Lmao, Trump is hilarious
Spoiler
https://twitter.com/BBCJLandale/status/868418708502441986
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trump probably is fluent in Italian and has his eyes closed so he could hear better
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on May 27, 2017, 11:36:28 pm
Lmao, Trump is hilarious
Spoiler
https://twitter.com/BBCJLandale/status/868418708502441986
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trump probably is fluent in Italian and has his eyes closed so he could hear better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krtnt191Drg
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Peppers on May 27, 2017, 11:41:29 pm
You're really making me think here... Dhanald drumpf is finished now... I'm smelling peaches..... IMPEACHES  >:(
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 27, 2017, 11:53:19 pm
Lmao, Trump is hilarious
Spoiler
https://twitter.com/BBCJLandale/status/868418708502441986
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trump probably is fluent in Italian and has his eyes closed so he could hear better

-snip-

Ending spoiler
Landa should have been successful in escaping at the end, would have been a perfect ending imo  :(
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on May 27, 2017, 11:55:11 pm
Bonjourno kills mes everytime.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 28, 2017, 12:22:16 am
Spoiler
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 ???
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on May 28, 2017, 01:45:10 am
Any Canadians following the Conservative leadership election? Looking very close between Bernier and Scheer but looks like latter might just nudge it.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on May 28, 2017, 01:56:14 am
Any Canadians following the Conservative leadership election? Looking very close between Bernier and Scheer but looks like latter might just nudge it.
Didn't even realize Bernier had competition :o. Will be interesting to see.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on May 28, 2017, 02:37:21 am
Well, Scheer won with 51% of the votes after 12 rounds of preference voting. Major upset.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on May 28, 2017, 02:56:15 am
Cool, hes young so that may get more votes. Bernier could have won over Quebec though which is worth a lot of seats.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on May 28, 2017, 03:12:31 am
Scheer comes across as a really nice guy, none of this fake shit Trudeau does either, he's pretty genuine from what I can see. He also wasn't hankering after the job for years like a lot of the others and probably just wanted to be Speaker. Hope he wins at the next election.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on May 28, 2017, 03:44:03 am
Scheer comes across as a really nice guy, none of this fake shit Trudeau does either, he's pretty genuine from what I can see. He also wasn't hankering after the job for years like a lot of the others and probably just wanted to be Speaker. Hope he wins at the next election.
I'd say he'll have a fair chance honestly. If he can grill Trudeau in the house of commons and is a decent campaigner that's all it should take.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on May 28, 2017, 01:46:11 pm
he's pretty genuine from what I can see.

Politicians are never genuine
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: MrTiki on May 28, 2017, 02:22:51 pm
June you do occasionally say things that I can respect, but when you start criticising people based on their use of a second language you lose all credibility and just come across as an asshole.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on May 28, 2017, 03:12:16 pm
Scheer comes across as a really nice guy, none of this fake shit Trudeau does either, he's pretty genuine from what I can see. He also wasn't hankering after the job for years like a lot of the others and probably just wanted to be Speaker. Hope he wins at the next election.
I'd say he'll have a fair chance honestly. If he can grill Trudeau in the house of commons and is a decent campaigner that's all it should take.

I read up a little on his Wikipedia page (I know great source) but according to the page he wants to remove the carbon tax. So is he one of those cuckservatives who don't believe in global warming?

If that is the case then that would make him a terrible candidate on it's own.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: junedragon on May 28, 2017, 05:25:10 pm
June you do occasionally say things that I can respect, but when you start criticising people based on their use of a second language you lose all credibility and just come across as an asshole.

1) I didn't realize it was Furrnox/a swede when I first posted it

2) I'm sorry but when you make 2 rudimentary grammar/spelling errors in a one sentence comment calling someone else stupid you're just asking for it
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on May 28, 2017, 05:41:11 pm
Scheer comes across as a really nice guy, none of this fake shit Trudeau does either, he's pretty genuine from what I can see. He also wasn't hankering after the job for years like a lot of the others and probably just wanted to be Speaker. Hope he wins at the next election.
I'd say he'll have a fair chance honestly. If he can grill Trudeau in the house of commons and is a decent campaigner that's all it should take.

I read up a little on his Wikipedia page (I know great source) but according to the page he wants to remove the carbon tax. So is he one of those cuckservatives who don't believe in global warming?

If that is the case then that would make him a terrible candidate on it's own.
Mfw Canada's emissions were already meeting clean standards before we introduced a carbon tax but apparently introducing more useless taxes means we want to destroy the environment
You're really a headline warrior Furrnox
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on May 28, 2017, 07:36:08 pm
Scheer comes across as a really nice guy, none of this fake shit Trudeau does either, he's pretty genuine from what I can see. He also wasn't hankering after the job for years like a lot of the others and probably just wanted to be Speaker. Hope he wins at the next election.
I'd say he'll have a fair chance honestly. If he can grill Trudeau in the house of commons and is a decent campaigner that's all it should take.

I read up a little on his Wikipedia page (I know great source) but according to the page he wants to remove the carbon tax. So is he one of those cuckservatives who don't believe in global warming?

If that is the case then that would make him a terrible candidate on it's own.
Furrnox, its not that he doesn't believe in global warming. Its that the carbon tax is pointless and just ramps up the price on everything for almost no environmental benefit. The extra 2000$ it may cost some people will be hard on poor families or people with only minimum wage jobs. And if you live in Canada (it being very big) you need to travel quite a bit so its not even going to stop people from using cars because no one is biking 2 hours to pickup groceries. We're around number 10 in terms of Greenhouse emissions. Even if the tax did drop our emissions it wouldn't make a dent in the grand scheme of things.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: StevenChilton on May 28, 2017, 07:37:27 pm
Scheer comes across as a really nice guy, none of this fake shit Trudeau does either, he's pretty genuine from what I can see. He also wasn't hankering after the job for years like a lot of the others and probably just wanted to be Speaker. Hope he wins at the next election.
I'd say he'll have a fair chance honestly. If he can grill Trudeau in the house of commons and is a decent campaigner that's all it should take.

I read up a little on his Wikipedia page (I know great source) but according to the page he wants to remove the carbon tax. So is he one of those cuckservatives who don't believe in global warming?

If that is the case then that would make him a terrible candidate on it's own.
Furrnox, its not that he doesn't believe in global warming. Its that the carbon tax is pointless and just ramps up the price on everything for almost no environmental benefit. The extra 2000$ it may cost some people will be hard on poor families or people with only minimum wage jobs. And if you live in Canada (it being very big) you need to travel quite a bit so its not even going to stop people from using cars because no one is biking 2 hours to pickup groceries. We're around number 10 in terms of Greenhouse emissions. Even if the tax did drop our emissions it wouldn't make a dent in the grand scheme of things.

To be fair a Canadian carbon tax would do wonders for job creation...in the US.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on May 28, 2017, 07:42:38 pm
This is fucking beautiful.
Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLdEYw3ginA
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on May 28, 2017, 07:53:41 pm
"I'm just here so I don't get fined" - Justin Trudeau, 2017
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on May 28, 2017, 09:07:17 pm
Scheer comes across as a really nice guy, none of this fake shit Trudeau does either, he's pretty genuine from what I can see. He also wasn't hankering after the job for years like a lot of the others and probably just wanted to be Speaker. Hope he wins at the next election.
I'd say he'll have a fair chance honestly. If he can grill Trudeau in the house of commons and is a decent campaigner that's all it should take.

I read up a little on his Wikipedia page (I know great source) but according to the page he wants to remove the carbon tax. So is he one of those cuckservatives who don't believe in global warming?

If that is the case then that would make him a terrible candidate on it's own.
Furrnox, its not that he doesn't believe in global warming. Its that the carbon tax is pointless and just ramps up the price on everything for almost no environmental benefit. The extra 2000$ it may cost some people will be hard on poor families or people with only minimum wage jobs. And if you live in Canada (it being very big) you need to travel quite a bit so its not even going to stop people from using cars because no one is biking 2 hours to pickup groceries. We're around number 10 in terms of Greenhouse emissions. Even if the tax did drop our emissions it wouldn't make a dent in the grand scheme of things.

It gives an incentive for people to get green cars I realize that carbon tax is a complicated issue so I won't go any further.
I think it's funny that 2 billion out of the 5 the tax makes is put into repairing/building roads.

This is fucking beautiful.
Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLdEYw3ginA
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I saw that the other day, pretty bad.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on May 29, 2017, 12:30:05 am
Watching the NDP debate they actually got some decent people. Charlie Angus is ok but Pat Stogran is actually interesting me. Retired army Col, not the best spoken but by far the most likable and the one who could actually rally voters. He doesn't seem to go along with all the bullshit that Ashton and Signh get on with.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Jakester on May 29, 2017, 12:53:51 am
Here's for your carbon tax...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtN5njDZjVM
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on May 29, 2017, 03:23:22 pm
Always the sentimental sob-stories about someone somewhere who can't afford this or that any longer because of this and that law that is introduced.


SKip the grandstanding and make a fucking point already.

I do agree that carbon tax is a useless meme to look like you're doing something. Much more can be made on putting more rules on industry. But oh Gawd we're so scared to that because uh mah moneyz if they leave. It's bullshit. Large companies really don't like to move and especially the industry in the West is there for a good reason. If Western countries en bloc would up environmental standards (like is possible in the EU, as done with ship emissions in the North Sea), you'll gain much more. Putting extra strain on the consumer won't achieve any respectable gain for the environment.

It's like here in the NL. Government (the Green Party) to impose tax on the kilo's of garbage people throw away. Let alone the impossibility to achieve it pratically, consumers only provide for 15% of national garbage. A whopping 70-something-% is (mostly burned) by industry. Yet politicians see no gain in imposing even minor rules on them, which would barely cost more but save roughly 20% in junk sent to the ovens.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: junedragon on May 29, 2017, 07:25:38 pm
I can't speak for European countries, but our laws and regulations at the federal level in Canada (and Provincial) and the US are a complete mess. The problem is simple; everyone wants a law/regulation. x group wants a new law for their region, x groups wants a law on airports in theirs, x group wants laws to protect y group(s), x group wants speed limit changes on y highway, x group wants y regulations on z industry, x group wants mandatory sentencing for gun crime, x group wants them for gun crimes involving a robbery, x group wants mandatory minimums for street racing, x group wants mandatory minimums for reckless driving killing pedestrians, x group wants mandatory minimums for running over a pedestrian at a crosswalk near a school between the hours of 8am and 3pm, etc. etc. Everyone wants a law and politicians have been all too happy to give them as:

A) It looks good on them
and
B) Its a lot easier to add laws than it is to remove old ones.

As a result our Criminal Code, federal regulations/laws, provincial statutes, etc. are an absolute mess (and especially business regulations in the US, which having been built up in layer after layer after layer of red-tape and regulations are a nightmare to process, especially for small businesses) in dire need of some housekeeping. But no one is willing to do it because:

A) It would be a massive undertaking to clean up the Criminal Code for example
and
B) It would have little political value in terms of gaining votes (and would likely have negative impact cause anything even remotely perceived to be taking laws away which x group supports would result in outcry, even if it was simply being consolidated)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on May 29, 2017, 09:40:14 pm
Put in a commission, let them do the work. Take their findings to the house 1:1 and spin it in the media as if you've saved the country.

Riddlez has a solution for all.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Noorwegian on May 30, 2017, 12:23:15 am
Trump met with world leaders at the NATO headquarters today, hilarity ensued:

Very short videos of the highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWISsAanWWw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WqJkWntgSg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH5XeHaEEaY
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This man Trump is the biggest meme to ever touch the earth. That fucking NATO diss had me lmfao!!! and the fucking Montenegro guy getting pushed to the side honestly had me on the floor rofling!!!

And Montenegro who just joined NATO... I'm sure they're regretting it already hahah
I don't think you regret joining a military alliance with half of Europe and the only superpower remaining because your head of state gets moved aside at a conference by the US President. Where's the logic there???

It was a joke :P
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on May 30, 2017, 12:43:55 am
Trump met with world leaders at the NATO headquarters today, hilarity ensued:

Very short videos of the highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWISsAanWWw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WqJkWntgSg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH5XeHaEEaY
[close]

This man Trump is the biggest meme to ever touch the earth. That fucking NATO diss had me lmfao!!! and the fucking Montenegro guy getting pushed to the side honestly had me on the floor rofling!!!

And Montenegro who just joined NATO... I'm sure they're regretting it already hahah
I don't think you regret joining a military alliance with half of Europe and the only superpower remaining because your head of state gets moved aside at a conference by the US President. Where's the logic there???

It was a joke :P
Oh
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: junedragon on May 30, 2017, 01:09:49 am
My god people were mocking Trump for his signature but take a look at Merkel's... and wtf is Juncker's even?


Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.4cdn.org%2Fpol%2F1496085788947.jpg&hash=6e5b43504a985a39f773b158a2cd9ca35dce30ed)
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 30, 2017, 01:15:20 am
My god people were mocking Trump for his signature but take a look at Merkel's... and wtf is Juncker's even?


Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.4cdn.org%2Fpol%2F1496085788947.jpg&hash=6e5b43504a985a39f773b158a2cd9ca35dce30ed)
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Looks like Shinzō Abe had to do a bit of maths while signing  ;D
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on May 31, 2017, 12:00:49 am
Merkel's isn't even that bad. Drunkard Juncker's though is pretty awful.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on May 31, 2017, 03:06:05 pm
Trump pulled back from the Paris Agreement.

Way to go.

Well it's still better than uf they'd stayed in. Tney'd have delayed everything and caused nothing but trouble.

The sheer meme this guy is, though. Calling accelerated global warming a 'fairy tale'.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on May 31, 2017, 03:13:00 pm
Trump pulled back from the Paris Agreement.

Way to go.

Well it's still better than uf they'd stayed in. Tney'd have delayed everything and caused nothing but trouble.

The sheer meme this guy is, though. Calling accelerated global warming a 'fairy tale'.
No warming in 10 years.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on May 31, 2017, 05:00:02 pm
Theodin yes let's just go against all scientific evidence.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: MrTiki on May 31, 2017, 05:30:31 pm
Not gonna bite (for once).
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on May 31, 2017, 05:33:00 pm
Than I won't too! Look how easy that was
Theodin yes let's just go against all scientific evidence.
Nice try tho
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on May 31, 2017, 07:14:30 pm
Trump pulled back from the Paris Agreement.

Way to go.

Well it's still better than uf they'd stayed in. Tney'd have delayed everything and caused nothing but trouble.

The sheer meme this guy is, though. Calling accelerated global warming a 'fairy tale'.

Great. The only thing melting would've been Trump's budget otherwise.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Marceaux on May 31, 2017, 07:30:25 pm
Than I won't too! Look how easy that was
Theodin yes let's just go against all scientific evidence.
Nice try tho

Blindly defending someone and ignoring facts. What's your IQ Theo?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: LiquidSkorpion on May 31, 2017, 08:13:59 pm
Than I won't too! Look how easy that was
Theodin yes let's just go against all scientific evidence.
Nice try tho

Blindly defending someone and ignoring facts. What's your IQ Theo?
Well, it's not blindly. And I dont see any facts that have been posted on this thread.

And his IQ is probably higher than yours. He did get CR afterall.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: BabyJesus on May 31, 2017, 08:21:18 pm
Climate change is a myth created by the Chinese in order to make America less competitive
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on May 31, 2017, 09:09:51 pm
Climate change is a myth created by the Chinese in order to make America less competitive
:/
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on May 31, 2017, 10:40:42 pm
Than I won't too! Look how easy that was
Theodin yes let's just go against all scientific evidence.
Nice try tho

Blindly defending someone and ignoring facts. What's your IQ Theo?
Well, it's not blindly. And I dont see any facts that have been posted on this thread.

And his IQ is probably higher than yours. He did get CR afterall.

CR means jack shit.

The overwhelming majority of scientists agree that global warming is real. So I don't see why we would need to post any evidence when it's clearly accepted science.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Jakester on May 31, 2017, 10:51:19 pm
Than I won't too! Look how easy that was
Theodin yes let's just go against all scientific evidence.
Nice try tho

Blindly defending someone and ignoring facts. What's your IQ Theo?
Well, it's not blindly. And I dont see any facts that have been posted on this thread.

And his IQ is probably higher than yours. He did get CR afterall.

CR means jack shit.

People who deny global warming are science deniers.
I believe in climate change, but calling them science deniers is outright wrong and completely different from what your post used to say.
Global warming is natural, and the only thing that I've seen to be true is that with the oceans heating up it releases more carbon dioxide into the air, but other than that we're not doing that much. Almost everyone believes in science, and I'm sure Theodin does too, so before you just go out and generalize everyone, you should probably say something that doesn't make you look like an idiot. The equivilant to what you just said is "People who don't eat meat condemn food production."
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on May 31, 2017, 10:53:24 pm
Hey look, generalization and knee jerk reactions. I'm for sure going to explain when you lead off with those! Lol
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on May 31, 2017, 10:55:58 pm
Than I won't too! Look how easy that was
Theodin yes let's just go against all scientific evidence.
Nice try tho

Blindly defending someone and ignoring facts. What's your IQ Theo?
Well, it's not blindly. And I dont see any facts that have been posted on this thread.

And his IQ is probably higher than yours. He did get CR afterall.

CR means jack shit.

The overwhelming majority of scientists agree that global warming is real. So I don't see why we would need to post any evidence when it's clearly accepted science.
I believe in climate change, but calling them science deniers is outright wrong and completely different from what your post used to say.
Global warming is natural, and the only thing that I've seen to be true is that with the oceans heating up it releases more carbon dioxide into the air, but other than that we're not doing that much. Almost everyone believes in science, and I'm sure Theodin does too, so before you just go out and generalize everyone, you should probably say something that doesn't make you look like an idiot. The equivilant to what you just said is "People who don't eat meat condemn food production."

You can't say that you believe in science and then disagree with bits and pieces because it doesn't suit your agenda.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Marceaux on May 31, 2017, 11:06:44 pm
Than I won't too! Look how easy that was
Theodin yes let's just go against all scientific evidence.
Nice try tho

Blindly defending someone and ignoring facts. What's your IQ Theo?
Well, it's not blindly. And I dont see any facts that have been posted on this thread.

And his IQ is probably higher than yours. He did get CR afterall.

You are clearly joking. At least I hope so...
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on June 01, 2017, 12:00:51 am
Have you decided upon a final edit, Furrnox?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on June 01, 2017, 12:01:51 am
Congratulations Marceaux, you've rustled all 130 of my jimmies.

First of all, saying that the earth hasn't warmed in 14 years isn't me being an uninformed dingus - it's a paraphrase of the IPCC's 5th assesment report's findings on warming, which were confirmed by basically everyone in saying that the earth's average temperature has not gone up since late 1990's - here's a good article from The Economist explaining the hiatus: http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21598610-slowdown-rising-temperatures-over-past-15-years-goes-being

Now, you talk about consensus. It's always thrown around that there's a huge consensus among the science community that global warming is anthropogenic and humans, mostly in the form of C02 emissions, are the cause. As Politifact says, it's a lot broader than that:
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From the limited means we have to survey world temperature, we can say with relative confidence two things: that A) the earth is warming and B) human activity does cause warming. Climate skeptics do not disagree with this statement - why challenge basic data?
good forbes article
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2015/01/06/97-of-climate-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/#7fa552423f9f
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politifact article
http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2016/apr/04/don-beyer/don-beyer-says-97-percent-scientists-believe-human/
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What climate skeptics challenge is the effect this will have on society, how accurately we can model climate changes, and whether treaties like Paris and Kyoto will be effective for the environment and for the economy. A perfect example of this is the Green Energy Act in Ontario, which crippled our energy infrastructure, drove away industry, made Ontarians at times pay triple the cost they used to pay to give subsidies to energy providers that only provide 2 percent of their total power, and put the province in immeasurable debt. Climate skeptics think we shouldn't bankrupt overselves on the altar of questionable climate models. Here's a good article that you should read on this topic:
if you say national review is a poor source without reading the article i'm banning you
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/447215/climate-change-activists-science-deniers-environmentalism-public-policy
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But I'm just a stupid science denier.

Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Conway on June 01, 2017, 12:08:12 am
Until the U.S and China start cutting back on climate emissions then other countries really don't effect much. Its good to help give intensive towards more sustainable things that hurt the environment less, but its not worth crippling a country all together for it. No doubt nature plays a part in climate change, but I find it hard to believe that humans don't play the larger part in it.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on June 01, 2017, 12:34:50 am
That global warming have stagnated is great but that doesn't mean we should go back to no regulations and pumping out as much CO2 & CH4 as we want as Trump suggests.
We should continue to look for renewable and envioromental friendly alternatives to prepare for the future.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on June 01, 2017, 12:37:42 am
That global warming have stagnated is great but that doesn't mean we should go back to no regulations and pumping out as much CO2 & CH4 as we want as Trump suggests.
We should continue to look for renewable and envioromental friendly alternatives to prepare for the future.
Not what I said.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on June 01, 2017, 12:46:23 am
I know what you said and I agree that the 97% argument have been missused.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on June 01, 2017, 12:54:28 am
amazin
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: MrTiki on June 01, 2017, 01:42:43 am
97% of scientists say that national review is a poor source.
Deny that, bitch.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on June 01, 2017, 02:27:20 am
97% of scientists say that national review is a poor source.
Deny that, bitch.
Damn.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: junedragon on June 01, 2017, 03:30:45 am
Than I won't too! Look how easy that was
Theodin yes let's just go against all scientific evidence.
Nice try tho

Blindly defending someone and ignoring facts. What's your IQ Theo?

Well Theodin just provided both, now where are your alternative facts marceaux? We are waiting tic tic

I expect big things from someone who must have such a high IQ as yours.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: VetroG on June 01, 2017, 05:16:26 am
I finnaly see where all the cool kids hang out I guess I'm one now!!  8)

jk I'm a fatty help
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Marceaux on June 01, 2017, 05:46:54 am
Than I won't too! Look how easy that was
Theodin yes let's just go against all scientific evidence.
Nice try tho

Blindly defending someone and ignoring facts. What's your IQ Theo?

Well Theodin just provided both, now where are your alternative facts marceaux? We are waiting tic tic

I expect big things from someone who must have such a high IQ as yours.

My job is done here. ;)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: VetroG on June 01, 2017, 05:58:14 am
Guys come on stop getting at each other even though I'm known for starting a lot of shit in my past. Lets all please enjoy this amazing game while it lasts, there is no need to be fighting over some IQ bullshit when it has nothing to do with really anything... I really hope we can just get over this and move on and I know for a 100% fact after I post this comment I'm gonna get shat on by a lot of people, but please lets just enjoy each other and have fun. I'm not respected by the NW Community but lets please drop it thanks. 
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Jakester on June 01, 2017, 06:04:35 am
Guys come on stop getting at each other even though I'm know for starting a lot of shit in my past. Lets all please enjoy this amazing game while it lasts, there is no need to be fighting over some IQ bullshit when it has nothing to do with really anything... I really hope we can just get over this and move on and I know for a 100% fact after I post this comment I'm gonna get shat on by a lot of people, but please lets just enjoy each other and have fun. I'm not respected by the NW Community but lets please drop it thanks.
You're clearly new around here. This is the politics thread, and this thread is meant for stuff like this. Just because you want to stick up for your reg leader's perverted sense of "higher IQ" and his upper intelligence when realistically he's failed to prove anything to this forum.

Now, hopefully leftist globalism doesn't destroy Europe before its too late. Continue standing strong Poland, and your friends in Eastern Europe! Don't let refugees in if you don't want them!
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: VetroG on June 01, 2017, 06:07:34 am
Guys come on stop getting at each other even though I'm know for starting a lot of shit in my past. Lets all please enjoy this amazing game while it lasts, there is no need to be fighting over some IQ bullshit when it has nothing to do with really anything... I really hope we can just get over this and move on and I know for a 100% fact after I post this comment I'm gonna get shat on by a lot of people, but please lets just enjoy each other and have fun. I'm not respected by the NW Community but lets please drop it thanks.
You're clearly new around here. This is the politics thread, and this thread is meant for stuff like this. Just because you want to stick up for your reg leader's perverted sense of "higher IQ" and his upper intelligence when realistically he's failed to prove anything to this forum.

Now, hopefully leftist globalism doesn't destroy Europe before its too late. Continue standing strong Poland, and your friends in Eastern Europe! Don't let refugees in if you don't want them!
Jake I'm not new around here no offense but ive been in this game longer than you. I'm just saying the kind of things said between Marc and other players... Needs to end. Also I never was sticking up for anyone wherever you got that from I'm just saying it probs needs to be dropped. I'm done now dad
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: LiquidSkorpion on June 01, 2017, 06:28:10 am
Guys come on stop getting at each other even though I'm know for starting a lot of shit in my past. Lets all please enjoy this amazing game while it lasts, there is no need to be fighting over some IQ bullshit when it has nothing to do with really anything... I really hope we can just get over this and move on and I know for a 100% fact after I post this comment I'm gonna get shat on by a lot of people, but please lets just enjoy each other and have fun. I'm not respected by the NW Community but lets please drop it thanks.
You're clearly new around here. This is the politics thread, and this thread is meant for stuff like this. Just because you want to stick up for your reg leader's perverted sense of "higher IQ" and his upper intelligence when realistically he's failed to prove anything to this forum.

Now, hopefully leftist globalism doesn't destroy Europe before its too late. Continue standing strong Poland, and your friends in Eastern Europe! Don't let refugees in if you don't want them!
Jake I'm not new around here no offense but ive been in this game longer than you. I'm just saying the kind of things said between Marc and other players... Needs to end. Also I never was sticking up for anyone wherever you got that from I'm just saying it probs needs to be dropped. I'm done now dad
LOL

But seriously, this thread is for actual talk, not the senseless banter which you are known for. Keep your shit off of it.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: VetroG on June 01, 2017, 07:00:22 am
Guys come on stop getting at each other even though I'm know for starting a lot of shit in my past. Lets all please enjoy this amazing game while it lasts, there is no need to be fighting over some IQ bullshit when it has nothing to do with really anything... I really hope we can just get over this and move on and I know for a 100% fact after I post this comment I'm gonna get shat on by a lot of people, but please lets just enjoy each other and have fun. I'm not respected by the NW Community but lets please drop it thanks.
You're clearly new around here. This is the politics thread, and this thread is meant for stuff like this. Just because you want to stick up for your reg leader's perverted sense of "higher IQ" and his upper intelligence when realistically he's failed to prove anything to this forum.

Now, hopefully leftist globalism doesn't destroy Europe before its too late. Continue standing strong Poland, and your friends in Eastern Europe! Don't let refugees in if you don't want them!
Jake I'm not new around here no offense but ive been in this game longer than you. I'm just saying the kind of things said between Marc and other players... Needs to end. Also I never was sticking up for anyone wherever you got that from I'm just saying it probs needs to be dropped. I'm done now dad
LOL

But seriously, this thread is for actual talk, not the senseless banter which you are known for. Keep your shit off of it.
Excuse yourself I didn't cause jack kiddo it was my Colonel and you talking about IQ LOOOOOL yeah shut the fuck up I'm just trying to make this a fun community and place to be around. Unlike you being a regular shit hole to everyone acting like you're a know it all or a someone and you always get in peoples business shut up. And the "Keep your shit off of it" motherfucker what are you gonna do about it you're a joke to me right now what could you POSSIBLY do lmao
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: junedragon on June 01, 2017, 07:21:32 am
Lets keep on topic
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on June 01, 2017, 07:22:39 am
21e has never been very good at coming out on top on forum banter. Just stop before you get btfo some more.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: VetroG on June 01, 2017, 07:25:07 am
Ok sorry for everything it wont happen again.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on June 01, 2017, 08:08:05 am
S'all good
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on June 01, 2017, 12:09:11 pm
Funny thing is... Even if you don't believe in global warming (of which there are far more sceptics than climate change) or climate change in general, you'd have to be a complete science denier to say humanity isn't destroying this planet.

I mean, everything that causes climate change is also doing something else to harm this planet (acidifying ocean as an example).
Even if you don't believe in that, renewable energy is a must since we're not going to last much longer on carbon-based fuel from fossil sources.

And if you deny that.... Well you're either overoptimistic about space travel or you should start primary school.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on June 01, 2017, 03:28:47 pm
There is a difference between "Change is needed" and "IF WE DON'T CHANGE RIGHT NOW WE ARE LITERALLY ALL GOING TO DIE AHHHHHHH. QUICK, LETS ALL PAY TRIPLE FOR ENERGY RIGHT THIS SECOND.". Exaggerating the situation by saying we are "destroying the planet" makes the situation seem alot more dire than it really is, and calling everyone who disagrees with you "science deniers" and insulting them just makes you look like a real negative covfefe tbh.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on June 01, 2017, 05:43:05 pm
The situation is quite dire to be honest. It may look liek it isn't because the margin is usually larger than 50 years in which things will go awry seriously.
THe problem is that not a lot can change in 50 years.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Marceaux on June 01, 2017, 05:44:40 pm
I do not need to prove a point when your idiotic arguments make the point for me. I could type out 10 pages of reasoning but no matter how much i type or whatever facts/evidence i provide it wont magically cure your retardation and make your brain start working properly.


Funny thing is... Even if you don't believe in global warming (of which there are far more sceptics than climate change) or climate change in general, you'd have to be a complete science denier to say humanity isn't destroying this planet.

I mean, everything that causes climate change is also doing something else to harm this planet (acidifying ocean as an example).
Even if you don't believe in that, renewable energy is a must since we're not going to last much longer on carbon-based fuel from fossil sources.

And if you deny that.... Well you're either overoptimistic about space travel or you should start primary school.

^ This
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: BabyJesus on June 01, 2017, 05:51:37 pm
Eh I'll probably kill myself before I have to actually worry about climate change
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on June 01, 2017, 05:58:14 pm
Perhaps but if you'll ever consider getting children then this topic should be very important to you.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on June 01, 2017, 05:58:29 pm
I think we have more pressing matters to direct funding to. Currently, the cost is greater than the reward in regards to how much it costs to set up renewable energy sources, and how much energy those sources actually yield.

That and the fact that Europe isn't going to save the world without some cooperation from the east, which only a fool would believe is going to happen anytime soon.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on June 01, 2017, 06:08:17 pm
I think the main current issue is that Trump wants to ignore climate change & renewable energy altogether and go back to "clean coal".
Even going as far as to cut almost all government research on the subject.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on June 01, 2017, 06:39:51 pm
I do not need to prove a point when your idiotic arguments make the point for me. I could type out 10 pages of reasoning but no matter how much i type or whatever facts/evidence i provide it wont magically cure your retardation and make your brain start working properly.

Shut up, you literally think Paladins is better than Overwatch. Everything that comes out of your mouth is nonsense. Please make an argument so you can get thrashed.

I think the main current issue is that Trump wants to ignore climate change & renewable energy altogether and go back to "clean coal".
Even going as far as to cut almost all government research on the subject.

Taking the focus away from climate change & renewable energy =/= ignoring it. It just is not one of his top concerns, nor should it be.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Marceaux on June 01, 2017, 07:00:05 pm
I do not need to prove a point when your idiotic arguments make the point for me. I could type out 10 pages of reasoning but no matter how much i type or whatever facts/evidence i provide it wont magically cure your retardation and make your brain start working properly.

Shut up, you literally think Paladins is better than Overwatch. Everything that comes out of your mouth is nonsense. Please make an argument so you can get thrashed.

I think the main current issue is that Trump wants to ignore climate change & renewable energy altogether and go back to "clean coal".
Even going as far as to cut almost all government research on the subject.

Taking the focus away from climate change & renewable energy =/= ignoring it. It just is not one of his top concerns, nor should it be.

Ap0c why are you always so angry?
(https://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/keep-calm-it-s-just-little-man-syndrome.png)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on June 01, 2017, 07:06:52 pm
Stop. Literally every-time you post I can literally visual you frothing at the mouth. You can call it little man syndrome, but the only little man here is you. Anytime someone tells you the truth about how you (and for the most part, your whole regiment) are trash at NW, you throw out pages of rants clawing at whatever small achievements you managed to scrap together. I alone have probably accomplished more than your whole regiment, and that is pretty sad.

Please, you are gonna have to do better than that my boy.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on June 01, 2017, 07:07:28 pm
Please stop instigating here Marceaux. Please let us keep this thread open, it's a new record.
Personally, I think in Western countries coal should be gradually phased out or diminished in favor of Nuclear. Solar, wind and hydro are all way too inefficient at this technological stage, and why destroy the energy industry for unclear environmental reward? The question of nuclear waste removal remains but I think it's better to try to solve that than to A) lay off thousands of workers at power plants or B) dump money we don't have into wasted green energy schemes.
Besides, air and water quality in North America at least is cleaner than it's been in decades. Why panic?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Marceaux on June 01, 2017, 07:09:36 pm
Stop. Literally every-time you post I can literally visual you frothing at the mouth. You can call it little man syndrome, but the only little man here is you. Anytime someone tells you the truth about how you (and for the most part, your whole regiment) are trash at NW, you throw out pages of rants clawing at whatever small achievements you managed to scrap together. I alone have probably accomplished more than your whole regiment, and that is pretty sad.

Please, you are gonna have to do better than that my boy.

I am still better looking than you little man.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on June 01, 2017, 07:11:52 pm
Please take regimental fights off this thread, Marceaux and Apoc. Discuss politics or nothing at all.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: LiquidSkorpion on June 01, 2017, 07:12:28 pm
Hey! That's my CR!

Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Marceaux on June 01, 2017, 07:13:50 pm
Please take regimental fights off this thread, Marceaux and Apoc. Discuss politics or nothing at all.

Will do, sorry for the banter. :P
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Jakester on June 01, 2017, 11:31:04 pm
I do not need to prove a point when your idiotic arguments make the point for me. I could type out 10 pages of reasoning but no matter how much i type or whatever facts/evidence i provide it wont magically cure your retardation and make your brain start working properly.


Funny thing is... Even if you don't believe in global warming (of which there are far more sceptics than climate change) or climate change in general, you'd have to be a complete science denier to say humanity isn't destroying this planet.

I mean, everything that causes climate change is also doing something else to harm this planet (acidifying ocean as an example).
Even if you don't believe in that, renewable energy is a must since we're not going to last much longer on carbon-based fuel from fossil sources.

And if you deny that.... Well you're either overoptimistic about space travel or you should start primary school.

^ This
We're not running out of carbon based fuels, so I'm not quite sure what you're talking about there. We will be able to use oil and other fuels for a long time to come. And to point at the USA and Europe as the problems for climate change is unrealistic and really just childish, isn't it. The problem is that even with this Paris accord, with climate change efforts, that the big problems come from China and Russia. China will not hinder itself like the USA has for the past years in the name of the world, or the environment, so your best bet is to just adapt to the new climate. Russia and China are both guilty about lying on how much they're polluting, and it seems like the international community doesn't care about them, but when the U.S. puts serious strains on its economy for multiple years in an attempt to reduce a tiny amount of emissions, its ridiculous. Any progress the world tries to make is completely reversed by China alone, so until they change nothing will change. No, you cannot SJW your way into China and force them to change -- they won't. You can't ask them to save the planet, because they'll talk the talk and won't take any action. The US is acting in it's best interest for its own people by leaving the Paris accord, and if you think it's not for the best of America then you're just wrong.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Marceaux on June 01, 2017, 11:49:45 pm
The problem is this, do you do what is better for the world or for your country. If no nation chooses the world then we all die eventually and no countries win.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: junedragon on June 02, 2017, 01:06:19 am
The problem is this, do you do what is better for the world or for your country. If no nation chooses the world then we all die eventually and no countries win.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on June 02, 2017, 06:58:09 pm
I do not need to prove a point when your idiotic arguments make the point for me. I could type out 10 pages of reasoning but no matter how much i type or whatever facts/evidence i provide it wont magically cure your retardation and make your brain start working properly.


Funny thing is... Even if you don't believe in global warming (of which there are far more sceptics than climate change) or climate change in general, you'd have to be a complete science denier to say humanity isn't destroying this planet.

I mean, everything that causes climate change is also doing something else to harm this planet (acidifying ocean as an example).
Even if you don't believe in that, renewable energy is a must since we're not going to last much longer on carbon-based fuel from fossil sources.

And if you deny that.... Well you're either overoptimistic about space travel or you should start primary school.

^ This
We're not running out of carbon based fuels, so I'm not quite sure what you're talking about there. We will be able to use oil and other fuels for a long time to come. And to point at the USA and Europe as the problems for climate change is unrealistic and really just childish, isn't it. The problem is that even with this Paris accord, with climate change efforts, that the big problems come from China and Russia. China will not hinder itself like the USA has for the past years in the name of the world, or the environment, so your best bet is to just adapt to the new climate. Russia and China are both guilty about lying on how much they're polluting, and it seems like the international community doesn't care about them, but when the U.S. puts serious strains on its economy for multiple years in an attempt to reduce a tiny amount of emissions, its ridiculous. Any progress the world tries to make is completely reversed by China alone, so until they change nothing will change. No, you cannot SJW your way into China and force them to change -- they won't. You can't ask them to save the planet, because they'll talk the talk and won't take any action. The US is acting in it's best interest for its own people by leaving the Paris accord, and if you think it's not for the best of America then you're just wrong.

Except US puts out a whole lot more CO2 per capita than China, and China have also recently shown interest in further lowering their pollution by investing in renewable energy.

(Also let's not forget that China is part of the Paris accord.)


Sources
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/05/china-invest-renewable-fuel-2020-energy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on June 02, 2017, 10:31:13 pm
China sees the strategic relevance of investing in renewable energy. Something the Dutch military is only starting to grasp now... still a ways ahead of the rest of NATO though.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on June 02, 2017, 10:54:35 pm
China sees the strategic relevance of investing in renewable energy. Something the Dutch military is only starting to grasp now... still a ways ahead of the rest of NATO though.
? More like the Chinese are tired of their terrible air quality (http://www.popsci.com/why-is-smog-in-china-so-bad).
The best renewable energy source for strategic relevance is not solar, wind or hydro - it's nuclear, something the US has known since the 60's at least. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Naval_reactors)
Also, most of you live in the US. You should know your air quality has been steadily improving since 1990 - https://gispub.epa.gov/air/trendsreport/2016/
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on June 02, 2017, 10:56:40 pm
As far as I know nuclear isn't currently renewable.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on June 02, 2017, 11:02:13 pm
As far as I know nuclear isn't currently renewable.

But the point of renewables, as the name suggests, is to tackle the 'well what happens when we run out?' argument, but that won't happen for at the very, very least 70 years, and it's extremely likely we'll have renewable nuclear sources by then.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on June 02, 2017, 11:07:01 pm
You're most likely right.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on June 03, 2017, 04:14:56 pm
Still, nuclear will at least last a couple hundred more years.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Karth on June 03, 2017, 06:13:45 pm
Nuclear energy is the way too go, and we don't have smog pollution on any scale close to China. There are so many nuclear plants on the east coast
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Marceaux on June 03, 2017, 06:16:56 pm
Nuclear energy is the way too go, and we don't have smog pollution on any scale close to China. There are so many nuclear plants on the east coast

(https://www.ccair.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/LA-smog.jpg)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on June 03, 2017, 06:28:11 pm
"On any scale close to China"


Lol that's nothing Marceaux
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on June 03, 2017, 06:28:37 pm
One picture =/ evidence of a smog problem in the United States.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: junedragon on June 03, 2017, 06:31:03 pm
Nuclear energy is the way too go, and we don't have smog pollution on any scale close to China. There are so many nuclear plants on the east coast

(https://www.ccair.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/LA-smog.jpg)


"On any scale close to China"


Lol that's nothing Marceaux


Beijing: "Hold my beer"
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs1.ibtimes.com%2Fsites%2Fwww.ibtimes.com%2Ffiles%2Fstyles%2Flg%2Fpublic%2F2015%2F12%2F06%2Fbeijing-smog-alert.jpg&hash=3c5a85448679b9cd51c7fd8b92e3529f7a286979)

(https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2015/12/01/08/Beijing-Smog.jpg)
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Marceaux on June 03, 2017, 06:41:31 pm
"On any scale close to China"


Lol that's nothing Marceaux

Clearly its nothing close to China. But it is getting worse and this could happen in a variety of cities across the country if we do not switch to alternative energy sources and cleaner/healthier standards across the board.

Do you think its ok to continue bad trends until a problem arises? Why not be proactive and prevent it before it happens?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: BabyJesus on June 03, 2017, 07:02:10 pm
Nuclear energy is the way too go, and we don't have smog pollution on any scale close to China. There are so many nuclear plants on the east coast

(https://www.ccair.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/LA-smog.jpg)
what city is that? LA? o that is LA

https://www.nrc.gov/reactors/operating/map-power-reactors.html (https://www.nrc.gov/reactors/operating/map-power-reactors.html)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Riddlez on June 03, 2017, 07:02:20 pm
Hev you even been reading my posts on this thread?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on June 03, 2017, 07:11:59 pm
"On any scale close to China"


Lol that's nothing Marceaux

Clearly its nothing close to China. But it is getting worse and this could happen in a variety of cities across the country if we do not switch to alternative energy sources and cleaner/healthier standards across the board.

Do you think its ok to continue bad trends until a problem arises? Why not be proactive and prevent it before it happens?
False - https://gispub.epa.gov/air/trendsreport/2016/
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: McPero on June 03, 2017, 09:47:11 pm
wtf where are sloveian elections
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Marceaux on June 03, 2017, 10:31:02 pm
"On any scale close to China"


Lol that's nothing Marceaux

Clearly its nothing close to China. But it is getting worse and this could happen in a variety of cities across the country if we do not switch to alternative energy sources and cleaner/healthier standards across the board.

Do you think its ok to continue bad trends until a problem arises? Why not be proactive and prevent it before it happens?
False - https://gispub.epa.gov/air/trendsreport/2016/

So you think the US is perfect and clean? Do you not think we can do better? Do you not believe change as a whole is necessary for the countries of the world to advance? I guess you prefer the barbaric world we have atm and are content with maintaining the idiocy that goes on across the globe.

I just fail to see your point of view completely, you constantly defend actions that will have harmful repercussions for every living creature on this planet. Are financial gains for the US that important to you as an individual human being?

I am genuinely not trying to argue with or trigger you i just do not see where you stand really.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on June 03, 2017, 10:39:18 pm
"On any scale close to China"


Lol that's nothing Marceaux

Clearly its nothing close to China. But it is getting worse and this could happen in a variety of cities across the country if we do not switch to alternative energy sources and cleaner/healthier standards across the board.

Do you think its ok to continue bad trends until a problem arises? Why not be proactive and prevent it before it happens?
False - https://gispub.epa.gov/air/trendsreport/2016/

So you think the US is perfect and clean? Do you not think we can do better? Do you not believe change as a whole is necessary for the countries of the world to advance? I guess you prefer the barbaric world we have atm and are content with maintaining the idiocy that goes on across the globe.

I just fail to see your point of view completely, you constantly defend actions that will have harmful repercussions for every living creature on this planet. Are financial gains for the US that important to you as an individual human being?

I am genuinely not trying to argue with or trigger you i just do not see where you stand really.
Let's break this down
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So you think the US is perfect and clean? Do you not think we can do better? Do you not believe change as a whole is necessary for the countries of the world to advance? I guess you prefer the barbaric world we have atm and are content with maintaining the idiocy that goes on across the globe.
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No country is perfect or clean. In fact, the poorer the country gets, the less clean it is, so I think we can do better through technological advancement and innovation, and if perfection isn't possible, at least we can get close. Idk what you mean by saying barbaric - what's barbaric to you that relates to pollution? Dung fires and burning sticks for heat because you can't afford energy? Or nuclear fuel that provides clean power that fuels the economy that drives innovation? I prefer the latter, thanks. I don't really think "change" should harm the economy if the economy drives change.

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I just fail to see your point of view completely, you constantly defend actions that will have harmful repercussions for every living creature on this planet. Are financial gains for the US that important to you as an individual human being?
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What am I defending? Trump getting out of the Paris agreement when the US didn't even ratify Kyoto but yet managed to reduce emissions at record levels? Or advocating caution in abandoning the energy sector? You're being overly dramatic - who is being killed by taking the US out of the Paris agreement? That is not a logical argument or connection in any sense of the word.

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I am genuinely not trying to argue with or trigger you i just do not see where you stand really.
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Well, that's what an argument looks like, but who am I to know, all I do is source statistics anyways
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: McPero on June 03, 2017, 10:53:56 pm
We all know that cars could use oxigen and hydrogen as fuel producing energy and water as result. Though inovation is kept secret since some people wanna sell oil. Electric cars are not the future they are autistic.

Even better personal cars should be banned and countries should have free public transport. This would really help at making earth clean.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Marceaux on June 03, 2017, 11:02:30 pm
"On any scale close to China"


Lol that's nothing Marceaux

Clearly its nothing close to China. But it is getting worse and this could happen in a variety of cities across the country if we do not switch to alternative energy sources and cleaner/healthier standards across the board.

Do you think its ok to continue bad trends until a problem arises? Why not be proactive and prevent it before it happens?
False - https://gispub.epa.gov/air/trendsreport/2016/

So you think the US is perfect and clean? Do you not think we can do better? Do you not believe change as a whole is necessary for the countries of the world to advance? I guess you prefer the barbaric world we have atm and are content with maintaining the idiocy that goes on across the globe.

I just fail to see your point of view completely, you constantly defend actions that will have harmful repercussions for every living creature on this planet. Are financial gains for the US that important to you as an individual human being?

I am genuinely not trying to argue with or trigger you i just do not see where you stand really.
Let's break this down
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So you think the US is perfect and clean? Do you not think we can do better? Do you not believe change as a whole is necessary for the countries of the world to advance? I guess you prefer the barbaric world we have atm and are content with maintaining the idiocy that goes on across the globe.
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No country is perfect or clean. In fact, the poorer the country gets, the less clean it is, so I think we can do better through technological advancement and innovation, and if perfection isn't possible, at least we can get close. Idk what you mean by saying barbaric - what's barbaric to you that relates to pollution? Dung fires and burning sticks for heat because you can't afford energy? Or nuclear fuel that provides clean power that fuels the economy that drives innovation? I prefer the latter, thanks. I don't really think "change" should harm the economy if the economy drives change.

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I just fail to see your point of view completely, you constantly defend actions that will have harmful repercussions for every living creature on this planet. Are financial gains for the US that important to you as an individual human being?
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What am I defending? Trump getting out of the Paris agreement when the US didn't even ratify Kyoto but yet managed to reduce emissions at record levels? Or advocating caution in abandoning the energy sector? You're being overly dramatic - who is being killed by taking the US out of the Paris agreement? That is not a logical argument or connection in any sense of the word.

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I am genuinely not trying to argue with or trigger you i just do not see where you stand really.
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Well, that's what an argument looks like, but who am I to know, all I do is source statistics anyways

Firstly overall i am not being specific to the Paris agreement or energy. Although i feel strongly we should have went along with it.

I just see you deny things without putting your pov out there. So what is your suggestion then for environmental policies not only stateside but globally and the future of energy? Because it seems like you support every thing that comes out of Trump and his administration. And that is where i have a problem.

And you say i am dramatic but look at the leader of our nation and the dramatic actions he has taken and seemingly will continue to take. Do you think these actions genuinely benefit the US and better yet the World?

My point is much larger then what we are discussing presently (energy etc). Its just you imply that what the US is doing is right regardless of how it may affect people internationally. Seemingly only because you support our current leader whole heartily.

This is how you appear to me in your arguments. "My opinion is fact and no one or nothing has any argument against it. Because i heard this or i read that. Or Trump said this." You refuse to even consider the opposition or put thought behind it before you jump up to defend the things you think to be true. You seem unwilling to discuss and consider alternatives.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on June 03, 2017, 11:28:44 pm
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"Firstly overall i am not being specific to the Paris agreement or energy. Although i feel strongly we should have went along with it."
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Then what specifically are you talking about?

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"I just see you deny things without putting your pov out there. So what is your suggestion then for environmental policies not only stateside but globally and the future of energy? Because it seems like you support every thing that comes out of Trump and his administration. And that is where i have a problem."
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It doesn't seem you like you've read my previous posts. I'd also like to know where I said that I support everything that comes out of Trump and his administration. Otherwise you're putting words into my mouth.

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"My opinion is fact and no one or nothing has any argument against it. Because i heard this or i read that. Or Trump said this." You refuse to even consider the opposition or put thought behind it before you jump up to defend the things you think to be true. You seem unwilling to discuss and consider alternatives."
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All I have done is present facts. What are you refuting here? I don't understand - all I've done is show why you're wrong in saying the US has a damaged environment that's getting worse. What have I heard and what have I read? And where are you getting all this???? When did I quote Trump?????????????? What am I refusing to consider or discuss?????????????????????????
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Marceaux on June 03, 2017, 11:58:30 pm
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"Firstly overall i am not being specific to the Paris agreement or energy. Although i feel strongly we should have went along with it."
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Then what specifically are you talking about?

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"I just see you deny things without putting your pov out there. So what is your suggestion then for environmental policies not only stateside but globally and the future of energy? Because it seems like you support every thing that comes out of Trump and his administration. And that is where i have a problem."
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It doesn't seem you like you've read my previous posts. I'd also like to know where I said that I support everything that comes out of Trump and his administration. Otherwise you're putting words into my mouth.

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"My opinion is fact and no one or nothing has any argument against it. Because i heard this or i read that. Or Trump said this." You refuse to even consider the opposition or put thought behind it before you jump up to defend the things you think to be true. You seem unwilling to discuss and consider alternatives."
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All I have done is present facts. What are you refuting here? I don't understand - all I've done is show why you're wrong in saying the US has a damaged environment that's getting worse. What have I heard and what have I read? And where are you getting all this???? When did I quote Trump?????????????? What am I refusing to consider or discuss?????????????????????????

You are denying with anything possible that the US is damaging its environment, which it is and will now be worse due to Trump having no care at all for the environment and protecting it "Clean Coal etc". And you are basing your opinion directly off the ideas and plans presented by Trump and have continued to defend those actions without giving any merit or credibility to the other sides concerns. Which is where my problem arises.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on June 04, 2017, 12:13:02 am
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"Firstly overall i am not being specific to the Paris agreement or energy. Although i feel strongly we should have went along with it."
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Then what specifically are you talking about?

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"I just see you deny things without putting your pov out there. So what is your suggestion then for environmental policies not only stateside but globally and the future of energy? Because it seems like you support every thing that comes out of Trump and his administration. And that is where i have a problem."
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It doesn't seem you like you've read my previous posts. I'd also like to know where I said that I support everything that comes out of Trump and his administration. Otherwise you're putting words into my mouth.

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"My opinion is fact and no one or nothing has any argument against it. Because i heard this or i read that. Or Trump said this." You refuse to even consider the opposition or put thought behind it before you jump up to defend the things you think to be true. You seem unwilling to discuss and consider alternatives."
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All I have done is present facts. What are you refuting here? I don't understand - all I've done is show why you're wrong in saying the US has a damaged environment that's getting worse. What have I heard and what have I read? And where are you getting all this???? When did I quote Trump?????????????? What am I refusing to consider or discuss?????????????????????????

You are denying with anything possible that the US is damaging its environment, which it is and will now be worse due to Trump having no care at all for the environment and protecting it "Clean Coal etc". And you are basing your opinion directly off the ideas and plans presented by Trump and have continued to defend those actions without giving any merit or credibility to the other sides concerns. Which is where my problem arises.
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"You are denying with anything possible that the US is damaging its environment"

I'd like to know where I do that.

"which it is and will now be worse due to Trump having no care at all for the environment and protecting it "Clean Coal etc"."

You're ignoring the trends and statistics. I bet next year the emissions will continue to fall, as they have for the last 20 years.

"And you are basing your opinion directly off the ideas and plans presented by Trump"

I'd like to know where you see me do that

"have continued to defend those actions without giving any merit or credibility to the other sides concerns."

Why do I have to? You haven't presented any evidence to give me reason to
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Marceaux on June 04, 2017, 12:32:21 am
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"Firstly overall i am not being specific to the Paris agreement or energy. Although i feel strongly we should have went along with it."
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Then what specifically are you talking about?

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"I just see you deny things without putting your pov out there. So what is your suggestion then for environmental policies not only stateside but globally and the future of energy? Because it seems like you support every thing that comes out of Trump and his administration. And that is where i have a problem."
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It doesn't seem you like you've read my previous posts. I'd also like to know where I said that I support everything that comes out of Trump and his administration. Otherwise you're putting words into my mouth.

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"My opinion is fact and no one or nothing has any argument against it. Because i heard this or i read that. Or Trump said this." You refuse to even consider the opposition or put thought behind it before you jump up to defend the things you think to be true. You seem unwilling to discuss and consider alternatives."
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All I have done is present facts. What are you refuting here? I don't understand - all I've done is show why you're wrong in saying the US has a damaged environment that's getting worse. What have I heard and what have I read? And where are you getting all this???? When did I quote Trump?????????????? What am I refusing to consider or discuss?????????????????????????

You are denying with anything possible that the US is damaging its environment, which it is and will now be worse due to Trump having no care at all for the environment and protecting it "Clean Coal etc". And you are basing your opinion directly off the ideas and plans presented by Trump and have continued to defend those actions without giving any merit or credibility to the other sides concerns. Which is where my problem arises.
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"You are denying with anything possible that the US is damaging its environment"

I'd like to know where I do that.

"which it is and will now be worse due to Trump having no care at all for the environment and protecting it "Clean Coal etc"."

You're ignoring the trends and statistics. I bet next year the emissions will continue to fall, as they have for the last 20 years.

"And you are basing your opinion directly off the ideas and plans presented by Trump"

I'd like to know where you see me do that

"have continued to defend those actions without giving any merit or credibility to the other sides concerns."

Why do I have to? You haven't presented any evidence to give me reason to

You are denying global warming dude, i do not need to argue anything else.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Theodin on June 04, 2017, 12:34:55 am
Congratulations Marceaux, you've rustled all 130 of my jimmies.

First of all, saying that the earth hasn't warmed in 14 years isn't me being an uninformed dingus - it's a paraphrase of the IPCC's 5th assesment report's findings on warming, which were confirmed by basically everyone in saying that the earth's average temperature has not gone up since late 1990's - here's a good article from The Economist explaining the hiatus: http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21598610-slowdown-rising-temperatures-over-past-15-years-goes-being

Now, you talk about consensus. It's always thrown around that there's a huge consensus among the science community that global warming is anthropogenic and humans, mostly in the form of C02 emissions, are the cause. As Politifact says, it's a lot broader than that:
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(https://i.gyazo.com/5debac155892facf0c1c107c439747ef.png)
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From the limited means we have to survey world temperature, we can say with relative confidence two things: that A) the earth is warming and B) human activity does cause warming. Climate skeptics do not disagree with this statement - why challenge basic data?
good forbes article
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2015/01/06/97-of-climate-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/#7fa552423f9f
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politifact article
http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2016/apr/04/don-beyer/don-beyer-says-97-percent-scientists-believe-human/
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What climate skeptics challenge is the effect this will have on society, how accurately we can model climate changes, and whether treaties like Paris and Kyoto will be effective for the environment and for the economy. A perfect example of this is the Green Energy Act in Ontario, which crippled our energy infrastructure, drove away industry, made Ontarians at times pay triple the cost they used to pay to give subsidies to energy providers that only provide 2 percent of their total power, and put the province in immeasurable debt. Climate skeptics think we shouldn't bankrupt overselves on the altar of questionable climate models. Here's a good article that you should read on this topic:
if you say national review is a poor source without reading the article i'm banning you
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/447215/climate-change-activists-science-deniers-environmentalism-public-policy
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But I'm just a stupid science denier.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Karth on June 04, 2017, 01:29:48 am
More London attacks.  A shame some Europeans (not all) still fail to address radical Islam as a real and actual threat.  Oh and I guess our travel alert was justified after all (since I last posted it lol)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Peppers on June 04, 2017, 02:51:45 am
More London attacks.  A shame some Europeans (not all) still fail to address radical Islam as a real and actual threat.  Oh and I guess our travel alert was justified after all (since I last posted it lol)
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Rly makes you think (https://i.redditmedia.com/ABX2RSOfGDrl5XcdS5T-a9yGpJAputVI5kqr8o5jWvQ.jpg?w=490&s=046024523768d926fb8addef2f5306fa)
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Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Marceaux on June 04, 2017, 03:00:49 am
More London attacks.  A shame some Europeans (not all) still fail to address radical Islam as a real and actual threat.  Oh and I guess our travel alert was justified after all (since I last posted it lol)
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Rly makes you think (https://i.redditmedia.com/ABX2RSOfGDrl5XcdS5T-a9yGpJAputVI5kqr8o5jWvQ.jpg?w=490&s=046024523768d926fb8addef2f5306fa)
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Damn mooselims
(https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/mooslim_01.jpg?w=300&h=282)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: MrTiki on June 04, 2017, 03:42:08 am
More London attacks.  A shame some Europeans (not all) still fail to address radical Islam as a real and actual threat.  Oh and I guess our travel alert was justified after all (since I last posted it lol)
Is this really the time for an "I told you so"? No wonder no one likes you.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on June 04, 2017, 03:44:54 am
More London attacks.  A shame some Europeans (not all) still fail to address radical Islam as a real and actual threat.  Oh and I guess our travel alert was justified after all (since I last posted it lol)

Radical Islam is a threat in the middle east they don't scare me here.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/07/iraq-terrorism-isis-world/489974/
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Edwin on June 04, 2017, 03:55:27 am
Is this really the time for an "I told you so"? No wonder no one likes you.

In his defense this is probably going to become a weekly occurrence, so there's no "right" time to say it.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Peppers on June 04, 2017, 04:38:18 am
Well it is Ramadan... so it's been at an increase due to "celebrations".
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: junedragon on June 04, 2017, 04:40:45 am
Well it is Ramadan... so it's been at an increase due to "celebrations".

But who's counting...

(https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thereligionofpeace.com%2Fimages%2FRamadan-Bombathon-2017.jpg%3F3&hash=6dd464546886cdf128f18a7c6693ef49)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: BabyJesus on June 04, 2017, 04:41:22 am
More London attacks.  A shame some Europeans (not all) still fail to address radical Islam as a real and actual threat.  Oh and I guess our travel alert was justified after all (since I last posted it lol)

Radical Islam is a threat in the middle east they don't scare me here.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/07/iraq-terrorism-isis-world/489974/
people actually read the Atlantic?
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: junedragon on June 04, 2017, 04:44:50 am
More London attacks.  A shame some Europeans (not all) still fail to address radical Islam as a real and actual threat.  Oh and I guess our travel alert was justified after all (since I last posted it lol)

Radical Islam is a threat in the middle east they don't scare me here.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/07/iraq-terrorism-isis-world/489974/

Not a threat in europe cause they havent managed to kill as many children yet so we should ignore it and wait until one plot succeeds in killing thousands. Bold strategy cotton lets see if it pays off.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Peppers on June 04, 2017, 04:47:27 am
I'm afraid it's too late  :-[
(https://theendofzion.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/rotherham-muslim-rape-gangs.jpg)
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Furrnox on June 04, 2017, 04:48:57 am
More London attacks.  A shame some Europeans (not all) still fail to address radical Islam as a real and actual threat.  Oh and I guess our travel alert was justified after all (since I last posted it lol)

Radical Islam is a threat in the middle east they don't scare me here.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/07/iraq-terrorism-isis-world/489974/

Not a threat in europe cause they havent managed to kill as many children yet so we should ignore it and wait until one plot succeeds in killing thousands. Bold strategy cotton lets see if it pays off.

More like I don't think they're a threat because they can't achieve anything but killing some people (which in itself is horrible of course) since they'll never be able to create a caliphate or topple a regime here.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Marceaux on June 04, 2017, 04:51:03 am
Drop more MOABS plz.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: junedragon on June 04, 2017, 04:51:33 am
More London attacks.  A shame some Europeans (not all) still fail to address radical Islam as a real and actual threat.  Oh and I guess our travel alert was justified after all (since I last posted it lol)

Radical Islam is a threat in the middle east they don't scare me here.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/07/iraq-terrorism-isis-world/489974/

Not a threat in europe cause they havent managed to kill as many children yet so we should ignore it and wait until one plot succeeds in killing thousands. Bold strategy cotton lets see if it pays off.

More like I don't think they're a threat because they can't achieve anything but killing some people (which in itself horrible of course) since they'll never be able to create a caliphate or topple a regieme here.

Get back to me in a few years when you swedes are a minority in your own country and thousands more women and children lie dead (hopefully not raped first) across the continent. Because lets be real, these attacks are only the beginning. They have finally realized that lone wolf/small group attacks are nigh impossible to detect in time and can be extremely effective. It only goes downhill from here.
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Peppers on June 04, 2017, 04:54:14 am
More London attacks.  A shame some Europeans (not all) still fail to address radical Islam as a real and actual threat.  Oh and I guess our travel alert was justified after all (since I last posted it lol)

Radical Islam is a threat in the middle east they don't scare me here.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/07/iraq-terrorism-isis-world/489974/

Not a threat in europe cause they havent managed to kill as many children yet so we should ignore it and wait until one plot succeeds in killing thousands. Bold strategy cotton lets see if it pays off.

More like I don't think they're a threat because they can't achieve anything but killing some people (which in itself is horrible of course) since they'll never be able to create a caliphate or topple a regime here.

This video is really making me think it's coming sooner then later. This is in a public market no real police presence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A76DLK20L4o
Title: Re: Dutch, German & French Elections Thread, or The General Political Thread
Post by: Jakester on June 04, 2017, 04:55:47 am
Theodin, thank you for preaching the good word and backing it up with facts. You're just proving the fact that some left wing nuts like Marceaux are unable to comprehend another perspective that contradicts theirs.