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Title: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: Archduke Sven on November 28, 2013, 06:16:05 pm
So, as long as we follow the rules of 86a STGB, we'll be fine or?

Because as some may know, it's still allowed to show imagery/mention previous items associated with Nazi Germany in a historical context, or one to show art etc according to 86a STGB.

Or is it a complete ban on all things related to Nazi Germany and to National Socialism on the forums in general?
Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: AeroNinja on November 28, 2013, 06:18:23 pm
Why actually still talking about nazism and stuff :P   I just don't see the point of it...
Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: Archduke Sven on November 28, 2013, 06:25:08 pm
Why actually still talking about nazism and stuff :P   I just don't see the point of it...

It's not talking about it, its a question.

I just don't like seeing history sweeped under the carpet like it never happened.

Anyhow i was referring to imagery, not neccesarily discussion as that is clearly not allowed according to rule 12.
Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: SeanBeansShako on November 28, 2013, 06:27:47 pm
Depends on the context of said picture. Also, if you edit or cut out any hateful images things should be good to go. Just PM a moderator with the picture and ask if it is cool to be safe.

Example: A picture of a German Panzer unit on the march or Elite Guard standing outside a government building is fine. Anything like the Nuremberg Parades or Death Camp related is too strong.
Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: Archduke Sven on November 28, 2013, 06:52:13 pm
Depends on the context of said picture. Also, if you edit or cut out any hateful images things should be good to go. Just PM a moderator with the picture and ask if it is cool to be safe.

Example: A picture of a German Panzer unit on the march or Elite Guard standing outside a government building is fine. Anything like the Nuremberg Parades or Death Camp related is too strong.

So like it was before basically?
Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: AeroNinja on November 28, 2013, 06:54:55 pm
Why actually still talking about nazism and stuff :P   I just don't see the point of it...

It's not talking about it, its a question.

I just don't like seeing history sweeped under the carpet like it never happened.

Anyhow i was referring to imagery, not neccesarily discussion as that is clearly not allowed according to rule 12.
Ooh ok soz.
Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: Menelaos on November 28, 2013, 06:58:25 pm
Aren't we trying to spread awareness of the horrible things at the time, not repress them?
Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: AeroNinja on November 28, 2013, 07:01:16 pm
Aren't we trying to spread awareness of the horrible things at the time, not repress them?
If it wont be remembered, why think about new wars. I can't imagine what is happening in syria and these lands. They just can't stop it. If they think more about the cruel times of old, I don't want to see a new World war.
Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: Archduke Sven on November 28, 2013, 07:02:08 pm
Aren't we trying to spread awareness of the horrible things at the time, not repress them?
If it wont be remembered, why think about new wars. I can't imagine what is happening in syria and these lands. They just can't stop it. If they think more about the cruel times of old, I don't want to see a new World war.

wat....
Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: AeroNinja on November 28, 2013, 07:03:04 pm
Aren't we trying to spread awareness of the horrible things at the time, not repress them?
If it wont be remembered, why think about new wars. I can't imagine what is happening in syria and these lands. They just can't stop it. If they think more about the cruel times of old, I don't want to see a new World war.

wat....
Wat yes wat.
Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: McEwan on November 28, 2013, 07:15:29 pm
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So like it was before basically?
No; as Nurdbot said, we're putting emphasis on that we want and expect users to check in with moderators if they wish to post images or other content relating to such topics. Even if there is the slightest doubt,  it will be much better if you make sure with the moderators.
Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: Joseph Graham on November 28, 2013, 07:29:06 pm
I'm not sure if this is already covered or not but would it be possible to see an additional addendum covering the far-left as well as the far-right? Extremism is extremism, after all.
Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on November 28, 2013, 07:43:56 pm
I'm not sure if this is already covered or not but would it be possible to see an additional addendum covering the far-left as well as the far-right? Extremism is extremism, after all.

Eh, it seems fair. Stalin did as many horrid things as Hitler.
Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: Richard_Miller on November 28, 2013, 09:47:56 pm
I'm not sure if this is already covered or not but would it be possible to see an additional addendum covering the far-left as well as the far-right? Extremism is extremism, after all.

So posting images of Russian gulags would be just as bad as posting images from nazi death camps
Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: MagicTeatowel on November 28, 2013, 10:28:51 pm
We've already discussed this . . . . I would look at the moderators (I believe it was Reje's) conclusion on the matter.
Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: SeanBeansShako on November 28, 2013, 10:44:48 pm
If we do this we might as well enact a Chinese government style black out on all political symbols and images because a majority of them have a pretty bloody past directly or by association and then disable the Image tag all together. All moderation and development staff don't have time to go on a political symbol witch hunt.

Basically, If you are not sure how offensive the image is check up with a moderator.
Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: Menelaos on November 28, 2013, 11:27:06 pm
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7e/Jidf_logo.png)

Is this offensive?
Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: SeanBeansShako on November 29, 2013, 12:12:26 am
No. I assume it is trying to be funny if they aren't being serious. Call me when they get associated with a mass genocide of the 21st century and triggering a world war.
Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: Archduke Sven on November 29, 2013, 12:21:41 am
No. I assume it is trying to be funny if they aren't being serious. Call me when they get associated with a mass genocide of the 21st century and triggering a world war.

There were quite a few of those mass genocides  :-\
Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: Nipplestockings on November 29, 2013, 12:38:11 am
No. I assume it is trying to be funny if they aren't being serious. Call me when they get associated with a mass genocide of the 21st century and triggering a world war.

The JIDF is not a joke. They're virtually a hate group... except against everything non-Jewish.
Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: Menelaos on November 29, 2013, 01:41:34 am
I'll assume it's fine to use all hate groups then.

https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=7037.msg240289#msg240289
Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: PrideofNi on November 29, 2013, 01:55:10 am
I'll assume it's fine to use all hate groups then.

https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=7037.msg240289#msg240289

That's a terrorist group who have murdered quite a few people and an obvious attempt to try and make a joke out of it; it was just terrible humour on Greenbeard's behalf.
Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: Brewtifull on November 29, 2013, 02:20:34 pm
Common sense and general decency spring to mind with regards to these topics.
Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: MagicTeatowel on November 29, 2013, 07:23:29 pm
That should just be a rule, = Use Common Sense.
Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: SeanBeansShako on November 29, 2013, 07:27:33 pm
Using common sense does help a lot too. Makes things much easier for us!
Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: Rejenorst on November 30, 2013, 01:03:16 am
I'll just copy paste the PM I sent to Joe in order to help clarify. As Sean said; use common sense and report anything that is inappropriate:

Known terrorist group support would come under rule 1 as it would be advocating violence against others, in addition it would come under FSE right. Nazi symbols will only be policed due to legal issues, this may impact on a few reenactment groups unfortunately. While FSE doesn't wish to burden itself by removing every symbol of every political group that may have sparked controversy in the past such as Soviet Russia; it will not tolerate threads that glorify violence perpetrated by such groups in the past.
Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: Menelaos on November 30, 2013, 05:05:41 am
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F8%2F8d%2FGavrilo_Princip_cropped.jpg&hash=600d878694cdb632df552058c69a0547e505d452)

Can we reference century old terrorism?
Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: Rejenorst on November 30, 2013, 05:44:15 am
Depends on the context, those affected and whether your endorsing it in the reference. If you just want to mention or refer back to an act of terrorism that occurred x amount of years ago I would assume that would be fine provided its part of a conversation.

If someone makes a thread dedicated to some act of terror it will be considered endorsement or unnecessarily insensitive for a gaming forum.

 

Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: Vincenzo on November 30, 2013, 11:48:24 am
Use common sence, don't edge the rules, try to avoid posting something that might offend someone and don't try to troll people with things that are supposedly allowed because its not in the rules.

follow above and don't get banned. easy does it.
Title: Re: Just a question about rule 12
Post by: alpkerem on November 30, 2013, 11:56:16 am
wow. much explanation. such easy.