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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #420 on: August 06, 2014, 01:12:12 pm »
Favourite all time leader= Gaz
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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #421 on: August 06, 2014, 01:43:31 pm »
Do I get muted if I say Hitler? After all, Germany (where the FSE servers are hosted) tries to pretend that he never existed. (*coughs*, ashamed)

He rose from an injured soldier (and a failed, impoverished artist in Vienna in the 1920s) to the steely leader of Germany.
He started opposing the Weimar Republic from 1923, yet, funnily enough, was invited to be the Germany Chancellor by the President.
He intensified Germany' secret re-arnament from 1933...
He cleverly broke GER's diplomatic isolation with 10 year non aggression pacts.
He had the balls (or startegic mind) to gradually start extending Germany's territorial reach in Europe.
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He gassed the Jews, Negroes, Catholics, Handicapped, Gypsies, Communists, etc etc, in order to create the puurrfect Aryan Master Race
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No wait, that's a bad thing.  WAIT admin! I meant that he advocated or multiculturalism, and equal employment terms for all, regardless of gender or ethnicity, all while maintaining a tolerant political environment, where political pluralism was the key.
What a man.
[Get the sarcasm, Internet? No? Then you should be mentioned in the spoiler above ^ too.]

Some of what you say is true, though some of it is unacceptable regardless of the (poor, in my opionon) humor and what you describe as sarcasm it contains.


The President, Hindenburg, did never like Hitler, but in fact he often disrespected, disregarded and on many occasions ridiculed him by , for example, calling him the "Bohemian corporal".

Hindenburg was old and he, officially,  made Hitler become the chancellor, but what happened in the background and what made Hindenburg decide so was not mentioned by you.

A national conservative "circle" , a group of politicians mostly of noble and wealthy birth advising him in his political decisions saw their own interests in Hitler becoming cancellor, and in order to increase their own power supported him.

Hindenburg was surrounded by DNVP and conservative politicians of other parties (such as von Papen). The "Deutsche Nationale Volkspartei" was a , as I said, conservative party that was somewhat still loyal to the emperor.

Additionally, Hitler received high financial support by several German concerns of the steel and arms industry because these expected a lot of contracts and money from him once he would lead and they expected him to protect them and the German economy from the socialists and communists who were , at the time, almost equal in strength with Hitler.
The companies' money allowed him to travel around all of Germany, hold speeches and hangup election posters in almost  every German town and village as well as pay decent wages to the SA members(many people joined the SA because you'd get food and decent pay in a time of mass unemployment and poverty).

This part of the population,  a small group of wealthy conservatives and industrials, highly supported Hitler and put him into power, it was neither himself ( as you claim) or his party, nor the German voters (in fact in the few years  before his cancellorship things lookes bad for him with loss in members, bad election results and a financial situation getting worse and worse).

The political elite which lead these circles of people, mostly DNVP members, also thought that they would only use Hitler.
Hitler had to coalite with them inorder to form a government and so had they with him.
The plan was to put him as the cancellor of a government with mainly DNVP ministers and a DNVP president, Hindenburg.
Like that they thought they would enchain Hitler and put him under control, use him to gain power and restore order themselves.

The political structure of Germany before his takeover, the easy to exploit constitution and the serveral laws allowed Hitler to quickly expand his control over government and country.

Once he was in power, he began to seize most of which remained still in other hands.
There was serveral laws made that basically got rid of any oppositon, there was an order to shot Communists (who were his strongest counterpart) on sight.
Additionally, the seperation of powers was removed, so noone could stop him in bringing the state under his control.

Laws to bring political enemies in the predecessors of concentration camps were on the way.

On his takeover, Hitler did not only kill his political enemies, but also many of those who had helped him into power and those who knew much about him, even members of the same circles, incuding people from the cultis scene who are said to have helped Hitler at the very start of his carreer.

Granted, Hitler did , for the moment, improve the economic situation, but true is also that the improvements  had a high price in from of extemely highdebts .
His plan was to let the defeated countries pay the bills (Poland, France ...).

Hitler did not like you said, singlehandedly take over Germany, it was his supporters that put him in the right position which he knew to exploit and use to his advantage, that's two different things.

Hitler brought terror and sorrow to Germany, Europe and the world, his successes, achievements and "positive traits" are nothing but microscopicly small and irrelevant compared to the tremendous and unspeakable terror, pain and death he caused, period.


I wrote this not only because of you but for everyone who also considers Hitler a great leader or even the greatest in history.

You are wrong.
« Last Edit: August 06, 2014, 02:42:50 pm by Shade »
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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #422 on: August 06, 2014, 02:26:32 pm »
Do I get muted if I say Hitler? After all, Germany (where the FSE servers are hosted) tries to pretend that he never existed. (*coughs*, ashamed)

He rose from an injured soldier (and a failed, impoverished artist in Vienna in the 1920s) to the steely leader of Germany.
He started opposing the Weimar Republic from 1923, yet, funnily enough, was invited to be the Germany Chancellor by the President.
He intensified Germany' secret re-arnament from 1933...
He cleverly broke GER's diplomatic isolation with 10 year non aggression pacts.
He had the balls (or startegic mind) to gradually start extending Germany's territorial reach in Europe.
Spoiler
He gassed the Jews, Negroes, Catholics, Handicapped, Gypsies, Communists, etc etc, in order to create the puurrfect Aryan Master Race
[close]
No wait, that's a bad thing.  WAIT admin! I meant that he advocated or multiculturalism, and equal employment terms for all, regardless of gender or ethnicity, all while maintaining a tolerant political environment, where political pluralism was the key.
What a man.
[Get the sarcasm, Internet? No? Then you should be mentioned in the spoiler above ^ too.]

Some of what you say is true, though some of it is unacceptable regardless of the (poor, in my opionon) humor and what you describe as sarcasm it contains.


The President, Hindenburg, did never like Hitler, but in fact he often disrespected, disregarded and on many occasions ridiculed him by , for example, calling him the "Bohemian corporal".

Hindenburg was old and he, officially,  made Hitler become the chancellor, but what happened in the background and what made Hindenburg decide so was not mentioned by you.

A national conservative "circle" , a group of politicians mostly of noble and wealthy birth advising him in his political decisions saw their own interests in Hitler becoming cancellor, and in order to increase their own power supported him.

Hindenburg was surrounded by DNVP politicians, "Deutsche Nationale Volkspartei", a , as I said, conservative party that was somewhat still loyal to the emperor.

Additionally, Hitler received high financial support by several German concerns of the steel and arms industry because these expected a lot of contracts and money from him once he would lead and they expected him to protect them and the German economy from the socialists and communists who were , at the time, almost equal in strength with Hitler.
The companies' money allowed him to travel around all of Germany, hold speeches and hangup election posters in almost  every German town and village as well as pay decent wages to the SA members(many people joined the SA because you'd get food and decent pay in a time of mass unemployment and poverty).

This part of the population,  a small group of wealthy conservatives and industrials, highly supported Hitler and put him into power, it was neither himself ( as you claim) or his party, nor the German voters (in fact in the few years  before his cancellorship things lookes bad for him with loss in members, bad election results and a financial situation getting worse and worse).

The political elite which lead these circles of people, mostly DNVP members, also thought that they would only use Hitler.
Hitler had to coalite with them inorder to form a government and so had they with him.
The plan was to put him as the cancellor of a government with mainly DNVP ministers and a DNVP president, Hindenburg.
Like that they thought they would enchain Hitler and put him under control, use him to gain power and restore order themselves.

The political structure of Germany before his takeover, the easy to exploit constitution and the serveral laws allowed Hitler to quickly expand his control over government and country.

Once he was in power, he began to seize most of which remained still in other hands.
There was serveral laws made that basically got rid of any oppositon, there was an order to shot Communists (who were his strongest counterpart) on sight.
Additionally, the seperation of powers was removed, so noone could stop him in bringing the state under his control.

Laws to bring political enemies in the predecessors of concentration camps were on the way.

On his takeover, Hitler did not only kill his political enemies, but also many of those who had helped him into power and those who knew much about him, even members of the same circles, incuding people from the cultis scene who are said to have helped Hitler at the very start of his carreer.

Granted, Hitler did , for the moment, improve the economic situation, but true is also that the improvements  had a high price in from of extemely highdebts .
His plan was to let the defeated countries pay the bills (Poland, France ...).

Hitler did not like you said, singlehandedly take over Germany, it was his supporters that put him in the right position which he knew to exploit and use to his advantage, that's two different things.

Hitler brought terror and sorrow to Germany, Europe and the world, his successes, achievements and "positive traits" are nothing but microscopicly small and irrelevant compared to the tremendous and unspeakable pain, terror and death he caused, period.

 Too long; didn't read. Copy-paste Textbook stuff that I could find on wiki if I gave a shit about Hitler. How exactly did you manage to take my post seriously?
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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #423 on: August 06, 2014, 02:37:37 pm »
I didn't take it seriously, I mentioned the "sarcasm", but it includes statements which simply are utterly false and dangerous and could be taken seriousy by others if not by you.

 I did not copy a single line from a textbook or wikipedia, thank you.

And if you would have read the edit I made then you would know that my reply wasn't only addressed to you.
« Last Edit: August 06, 2014, 02:42:00 pm by Shade »
"Zwei Dinge erfüllen das Gemüt mit immer neuer und zunehmender Bewunderung und Ehrfurcht, je öfter und anhaltender sich das Nachdenken damit beschäftigt: Der gestirnte Himmel über mir und das moralische Gesetz in mir."

- Immanuel Kant

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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #424 on: August 06, 2014, 02:42:50 pm »
And if you would have read the edit I made then you would know that my reply wasn't only addressed to you.

Well I didn't, please pardon me while I bask in my ignorance, O' Master.

Oh and..

You are wrong.
Wow the Communist hammer and sickle makes you so bada$$. Well, happily, Communism didn't work out any better, and now we have our liberal, multicultural, democratic societies. Yay for them.
Now you are free to engage in some rebuttal all of my arguments, and explain to me how insenstive and misinformed I am. Since you have nothing to do with your time, enlighten us with yet another wall of text. C.a.n.t   W.a.i.t.
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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #425 on: August 06, 2014, 03:37:34 pm »
Wow guys lets all just hug and make up :D

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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #426 on: August 06, 2014, 04:09:36 pm »
Sheikh Bedreddin
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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #427 on: August 06, 2014, 06:47:10 pm »


 ;)
 The hammer and sicle is pretty cool, yeah, badass if you will.

And arguably the communism you refer to did probably not wor out, mhm, I could say communism never really was in effect as in like Marx and Engels intended it and therefore can neither have failed nor succeeded, but you know...

Anyway, let's calm down  I didnt mean to offend or upset you, nor enlighten or teach you, neither did I claim you were misinformed(as I said, you were joking and parts of what you said were right)
 let's not fight over this I don't think it's really worth it.

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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #428 on: August 09, 2014, 12:32:50 pm »
Caliph Ibrahim
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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #429 on: August 12, 2014, 05:31:59 am »
Favourite all time leader= Gaz
I have to say this so I don't get demoted

If you think Jeljer will be amused by this you have another thing coming also why no #GamerkiethSwag ?
However Malakoth clrly best line Cpt EU. Dat video made me laught when I saw panos still as a Sgt.

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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #430 on: August 14, 2014, 02:49:37 am »
Che Guevara is up there for me. Here's a goodbye letter he wrote to his children if anyone is interested

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Dear Hildita, Aleidita, Camilo, Celia and Ernesto,

If you read this letter one day, it will mean that I am no longer alive. You will hardly remember me, and the smallest among you will have entirely forgotten me.

Your father was a man who acted as he thought best and who has been absolutely faithful to his convictions. Grow up into good revolutionaries. Study hard to master technique, which gives you mastery over nature. Remember that it is the Revolution which is important and that each of us, taken in isolation, is worth nothing. Above all be sensitive, in the deepest areas of yourselves, to any injustice committed against whoever it may be anywhere in the world.

Yours always, my children. I hope to see you again.
A big strong kiss from Daddy.
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Fuck off, Nazi scum

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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #431 on: August 14, 2014, 04:24:38 am »
Well, my favourite leader of all time is Hitler as well and the fact that I am German may cause a much bigger flamewar than there has been a few posts ago.

But the question was what the favourite leader would be and my favourite leader is the (in my opinion) best leader. So yeah, Hitler was an an amazingly good leader.

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And socialism/communism is much worse than fascism, btw. :P
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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #432 on: August 14, 2014, 09:18:01 am »
He wasn't a particularly good leader, just very savvy political leader who had a lot of funding from rich industrialists and wielded nationalism. - which helps in mobilising the forces of retardation.

There's a reason why intellectuals almost all are for a form of socialism, because its the superior position.

More leaders that get my dick hard are Buenoventura Durruti, Subcommandante Marcos, Brian Boru and Paul LeGentilhomme.
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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #433 on: August 14, 2014, 11:47:10 am »
And socialism/communism is much worse than fascism, btw. :P

How is a system that's built upon the principle to care for all, better then a system built on the principle to care for only the best?

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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #434 on: August 14, 2014, 01:59:05 pm »
And socialism/communism is much worse than fascism, btw. :P

How is a system that's built upon the principle to care for all, better then a system built on the principle to care for only the best?
Socialism killed hundreds of millions of people while fascism got exterminated quite fast.

That's why I don't find it arguable by Shade, posting this:
You are wrong.

It's like saying "Jack the Ripper was bad but Anders Breivik is okay."
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