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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #255 on: October 06, 2013, 01:10:31 pm »
The Netherlands had declared Neutrality.

In order words, refusing to aid the Axis against the democrats and Bolshevists. With Hitler's polarized "with us or against us" mentality, you're lucky he didn't burn the whole country down to make an example out of you for the other "racially unconscious." This is a man that would later try to turn Germany itself into a wasteland to punish the post-45 occupation we're talking about here.

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« Reply #256 on: October 06, 2013, 01:22:44 pm »
So we settled on the point Hitler was just a powerhungry madman that hated Commies and didn't really care about Germanic people, be they German, Dutch or Danish? Good.

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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #257 on: October 06, 2013, 01:30:19 pm »
I'd rather say being loved by Hitler was as dangerous as being hated.

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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #258 on: October 06, 2013, 02:34:22 pm »
So we settled on the point Hitler was just a powerhungry madman that hated Commies and didn't really care about Germanic people, be they German, Dutch or Danish? Good.

Not at all. Whilst Norwegians, Danes, Dutchies and other Germanic people might have been favoured after the war, for as long as they were A)Not directly helping the Germans or B)Had some tactical advantage that the germans needed, thus rendering the need for an invasion.

For example, Hitler invaded Norway because of their ports, which are perfectly located for raiding the north sea (And, thus, Allied-Soviet Convoys). He invaded Denmark because the Airfields in Northern Jylland would become useful (mainly for invading Norway).

Likewise, The Netherlands (And Belgium & Luxembourg) was nothing but a "side-step" for the invasion of France. They provided alterante routes to the Maginot Line.

The nazis did indeed believe the germanic peoples to be superior, but this didnt mean that they had to be invaded, and puppet nationalist regimes erected in the place of previous democratic government.

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« Reply #259 on: October 06, 2013, 02:45:44 pm »
You did not need the Netherlands to invade France, as the 1st World War showed.

On a site note, the Netherlands were governed by the Austrian nazi Seyss-Inquart as Reichscommissar. The Dutch Nationalist-socialist party and their leader were as ignored by the Germans as they were hated by the Dutch. There was no puppet government, only direct Nazi rule.

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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #260 on: October 06, 2013, 03:47:10 pm »
Ashkenazi's are defined as, for the most part, Germanic Jews.

He didn't seem so eager to unite them with him, eh?

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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #261 on: October 06, 2013, 04:00:20 pm »
You did not need the Netherlands to invade France, as the 1st World War showed.

On a site note, the Netherlands were governed by the Austrian nazi Seyss-Inquart as Reichscommissar. The Dutch Nationalist-socialist party and their leader were as ignored by the Germans as they were hated by the Dutch. There was no puppet government, only direct Nazi rule.

Firstly, you can not compare WW1 and WW2. Mainly, no Maginot Line. Germany could probably have invaded succesfully either way, but going trough the netherlands and Belgium was faster, took the french by surprise and caused France to fall in 6 weeks.

Regarding the direct rule. France was also ruled directly, but there was plans to, (if) the war was won, create a nationalist puppet state. It is probable that a similiar solution would have been implemented in The netherlands. Either that, or it would have been incorporated in the Grossdeutschland, along with other Germanic nations.

In Norway, Quisling, a norwegian facist, got put into power. In Denmark, the king remained, as he was 'aryan'(Until he later fled the country and a military government put in place).

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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #262 on: October 06, 2013, 04:20:25 pm »
The only reason to invade the Netherlands if your ultimate goal is France, is because of the fear of an stab-in-the-back attack. But as the Netherlands had declared neutrality, and its army was in a bad shape, that was really no valid reason. You only need to cross trough Belgium, as they showed in the first World War.

France was for a good part under Vichy-France rule. That's not the same as a Reichskommisar.

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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #263 on: October 06, 2013, 04:33:41 pm »
The only reason to invade the Netherlands if your ultimate goal is France, is because of the fear of an stab-in-the-back attack. But as the Netherlands had declared neutrality, and its army was in a bad shape, that was really no valid reason. You only need to cross trough Belgium, as they showed in the first World War.

France was for a good part under Vichy-France rule. That's not the same as a Reichskommisar.

France was the ultimate goal. The invasion of the Netherlands served two purposes. Firstly, to make an invasion of France easier (As I previously stated) and second to make sure there is no place in Europe were Allied soldiers can land uncontested. I dont know exactly what German strategists thought, But It is safe to say that they did not consider The netherlands as a threat, and therefore the abovementioned reasons were used to justify an invasion.

In World war 1, the Belgians proved to be a difficult obstacle for the germans. The German-Belgian border is not large. By invading through the netherlands, Germany could make full use of it's superiority in manpower.

And Yes, Petaín and his regime was granted Southern France and it's colonies, whilst the Germans occupied North & Western france. The reasons here were probably the same as in Belgium. Hitler wanted to safeguard the Northern European coastline agaisnt allied invasions, and the safest way to do that was to man it with German soldiers, and control the surrounding area directly.

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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #264 on: October 06, 2013, 05:11:03 pm »
You did not need the Netherlands to invade France, as the 1st World War showed.

You do not need the Netherlands for anything except building dykes and dams.
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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #266 on: October 12, 2013, 02:39:19 pm »
By the time the National-socialist rose to power in Germany, communism had been replaced by Stalinism in the USSR. Technically it had become less extreme communist under Lenin, and many believe Trotksi would have followed the same way of governing, but then Stalin came and he just fucked everything up for the sake of (unnecessary) industrializing.


(unnecessary) without the industrializing of Russia germany would have won the 2nd world war. Even do Stalin was a terrible person and his actions arent justified with this its just a sad thing in history that without his 5 years plan we would all be speaking german by now.
Well, Hitler didn't want to take over the world. He wanted to unite the Germanic peoples.

Last time I checked Russia wasn't Germanic.
Not sure if would have annexed Russia tho.

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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #267 on: October 12, 2013, 02:55:59 pm »
The only reason to invade the Netherlands if your ultimate goal is France, is because of the fear of an stab-in-the-back attack. But as the Netherlands had declared neutrality, and its army was in a bad shape, that was really no valid reason. You only need to cross trough Belgium, as they showed in the first World War.

France was for a good part under Vichy-France rule. That's not the same as a Reichskommisar.

Are you kidding me?

If the Germans didn't capture the Netherlands, the British would have used it to land on Europe in the future, the Brits didn't give a crap about Neutrality either, as they were about to launch an attack on neutral Norway, but were preempted by the Germans by just 6 hours.

Not to mention the Netherlands had valuable naval and airbases that could be used against Britain. Also, what do you know about Hitler not caring about the Germanic peoples? He was uniting them under a German banner, if that means attacking democratic puppet governments then so be it. He was securing land to be able to wage war against Europe's greatest enemy; the Bolsheviks.

Hitler couldn't let small things like not attacking Netherlands, Norway and Denmark get in the way of his military campaigns. Everyone knows that. Even the allies didn't mind betraying Czechoslovakia and Poland, nor did they care about Eastern Europe becoming Soviet satellite states and suffering immensively under 50 years of Communist rule. They had to step back from their ideology to figure out that working with the Soviets was the best way to win the war.

Honestly if you can't figure out that Hitler attacking Belgium and the Netherlands was the most logical course of action maybe you should think through it some more.

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By the time the National-socialist rose to power in Germany, communism had been replaced by Stalinism in the USSR. Technically it had become less extreme communist under Lenin, and many believe Trotksi would have followed the same way of governing, but then Stalin came and he just fucked everything up for the sake of (unnecessary) industrializing.


(unnecessary) without the industrializing of Russia germany would have won the 2nd world war. Even do Stalin was a terrible person and his actions arent justified with this its just a sad thing in history that without his 5 years plan we would all be speaking german by now.
Well, Hitler didn't want to take over the world. He wanted to unite the Germanic peoples.

Last time I checked Russia wasn't Germanic.
Not sure if would have annexed Russia tho.
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No, it was planned to set up several puppet states, so not an outright annexation; if you want to read more about them you can search Reichskommisariat Ostland, Reichskomissariat Ukraine, Reichkomissariat Moskowien and Reichkomissariat Kaukasien.
« Last Edit: October 12, 2013, 02:58:22 pm by Archduke_Sven »


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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #268 on: October 12, 2013, 03:24:23 pm »
Adolf Hitler, Stalin and MacEwan..
Joke ofc!
MY fav leader is a Welligton. Shame that he wasn't in colonies during rebellion.
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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #269 on: October 12, 2013, 11:33:46 pm »
What do you mean by suffering under Communist rule? only the rich people did there was no crimes in the communist states everyone had a job compared to the capitalist with the high amount of unemployed people, homeless etc. And dont drag the KGB or the GRU into this the USA was and are still using the CIA the exact same way as the sovjet used to the KGB and GRU. And it was the Sovjet union who won the war D-Day was completly uncessary the decisive moment of the war was at Stalingrad, Leningrad and Kursk.


Grammar nazis please leave me alone im swedish, english isnt my native langue.