Go Greens!Are they really green, like for the nature and stuff or retarded treacherous bastards who want to destroy your nation from inside?
Everyone supports UKIPEvery autist, who doesn't think about what they're voting for.
Not sure if joke.
I think you could hardly call the SNP a localised party in these elections. From what I've heard, them be playing large role now.
I think you could hardly call the SNP a localised party in these elections. From what I've heard, them be playing large role now.
Well they wont stand anywhere else in the UK other than Scotland.
I think you could hardly call the SNP a localised party in these elections. From what I've heard, them be playing large role now.
Well they wont stand anywhere else in the UK other than Scotland.
I thought they were gaining popularity, even in other parts of the country.
Some random Labour people came to our house to ask us to vote Labour next month. I explained to them that this is a Home County, and shut the door.Wai. They already dun goof'd. I don't want them butchering the NHS any more than they already did.
#Tories2k15 :P
Please tell me you are joking.
the NHS in the area in which I've been living for nearly a year now (and my father for three, he moved out earlier than the rest of us from Greece) has been pretty decent - no waiting lists and some very nice and friendly doctors. Perhaps its my relative bias comparing everything to the shithole Greek healthcare was turned into after austerity, but all of our encounters with them have been very smooth - I can't say that we felt the NHS cuts even recently. But I would vote for Tory regardless -The NHS itself is obviously not private, so you've been experiencing public healthcare, which works fine - when you don't fuck with it. YOU might not feel the NHS cuts, but it's vulnerable patients who definitely do, as do healthcare staff. Patients have to be practically pushed out of hospital in some areas due to the bed shortages. It's easy to brush off the complaints and say "it's not affecting me, so it's obviously not an issue", but when you actually look into it, it has a huge impact on society as a whole. Staff working longer hours and fewer beds available definitely don't have a positive impact on society let me tell you.
Because saying Dutch healthcare is 'about as privatized at it comes' is nothing short of a complete lie. While it's true that we have introduced some free market elements in healthcare, it's still subsided and often completely paid for by the government trough the 'Personal budget' (Not sure how to translate that in English, we know it as 'Persoonsgebonden budget'. Besides the fact we have extended laws regulating mandatory healthcare.
Shell, an insurance company? Shell?Read. I did notsay Shell is an insurance company. Don't belittle even more than you already do. My point was clear.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Dutch_Shell
They're in a lawsuit about not wanting to provide certain treatment? But companies do not pay for healthcare in any way...
ukip is the way forward
Could me pass me an article about this case?
Could me pass me an article about this case?
No article, told story.
Could me pass me an article about this case?
No article, told story.
Hahaha. Okay bby.
Can the mod and other Dutch person stop posting off topic?
Can the mod and other Dutch person stop posting off topic?
*Senior Mod.
Challengers debate was tame. A little bit of shouting but nobody said anything new.
Challengers debate was tame. A little bit of shouting but nobody said anything new.
And this surprises you?
Challengers debate was tame. A little bit of shouting but nobody said anything new.
And this surprises you?
Yes. This was an amazing opportunity to say whatever they wanted about the Tories without any retaliation. They tried I suppose but they went for the attacks on UKIP instead and considering UKIP support keeps dropping there's not much point anymore. The hardcore UKIP vote will stay with them.
I'd vote labour, but I'm inbred so......
I still also don't understand why Labour keep ruling out a coalition with the SNP. IT IS THEIR ONLY CHANCE OF WINNING. Not only that but they are ideologically similar parties. The Conservatives have done a good job at de-legitimizing the SNP's right to govern and scaring the people. The people are still stupid enough to believe it all. "How dare those damn nationalists try and take part in our democracy!!!"
To be honest, without saying who I am voting for, why would/ do people think that UKIP and the Greens are Good people to run a country considering what they have said in the past? P.S. SNP with Nicola Sturgent is not any better as she constantly changes what she says she will do every day.
I was going to vote SNP, but Leanne Wood really impressed me on the debates so now I'm voting Plaid Cymru.wat
To be honest, without saying who I am voting for, why would/ do people think that UKIP and the Greens are Good people to run a country considering what they have said in the past? P.S. SNP with Nicola Sturgent is not any better as she constantly changes what she says she will do every day.
It will be Labour + SNL, or new elections.Labour and Saturday Night Live?
Considering UKIP has like 2 or 3 seats in the polls, meh.
Tories won't form a coalition with UKIP, they might have a supply and confidence deal with them if they form a Con-Lib-DUP coalition which is most likely to happen to my mind...
Tories won't form a coalition with UKIP, they might have a supply and confidence deal with them if they form a Con-Lib-DUP coalition which is most likely to happen to my mind...the less influence UKIP, the Greens and the SNP have the better.
Can someone explain what exactly is wrong with Ukip? Is it just because they're libertarian, or do they have some other retarded policies that isolate potential supporters?
Ah k so most Brits are nanny state leachers. Makes more sense now. I thought for a second there was an actual reason people disliked ukip.
People always either hate Israel or mass immigration but never both. :(
Can someone explain what exactly is wrong with Ukip? Is it just because they're libertarian, or do they have some other retarded policies that isolate potential supporters?
Ah k so most Brits are nanny state leachers. Makes more sense now. I thought for a second there was an actual reason people disliked ukip.
i guess on the other end of the political spectrum you could say they are run by jews and therefore its unethical to support them which i completly agree with
but what do i know
Ah k so most Brits are nanny state leachers. Makes more sense now. I thought for a second there was an actual reason people disliked ukip.
i guess on the other end of the political spectrum you could say they are run by jews and therefore its unethical to support them which i completly agree with
but what do i knowSpoilerWhy do you think it's unethical to support Jews?[close]
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Can someone explain what exactly is wrong with Ukip? Is it just because they're libertarian, or do they have some other retarded policies that isolate potential supporters?
Yeah it isn't all what Sven said but he did his best to belittle the left.
UKIP, and Nigel Farage in particular, are going about the campaign talking about how they are the party of the people and are so incredibly different from the "political class". However there's a large hypocrisy in that their leader has been a full time politician for 16 years, there only two elected members were both MPs before becoming UKIP ones and they have the lowest percentage of female candidates out of all the 6 main parties.
They also make a big fuss about the media bias against them. However, UKIP are on TV more than any other minor party and nearly as much as the two main ones. Despite having only two elected MPs.
Thirdly, their candidates have a habit of being a bit OTT with their freedom of speech. All the parties have their fuck ups, just UKIP seem to have a lot of them. They've had to ban former members of the old right-wing parties from joining to help prevent further cock ups.
Fingers crossed for Hillary :)
Can someone explain what exactly is wrong with Ukip? Is it just because they're libertarian, or do they have some other retarded policies that isolate potential supporters?
Yeah it isn't all what Sven said but he did his best to belittle the left.
UKIP, and Nigel Farage in particular, are going about the campaign talking about how they are the party of the people and are so incredibly different from the "political class". However there's a large hypocrisy in that their leader has been a full time politician for 16 years, there only two elected members were both MPs before becoming UKIP ones and they have the lowest percentage of female candidates out of all the 6 main parties.
They also make a big fuss about the media bias against them. However, UKIP are on TV more than any other minor party and nearly as much as the two main ones. Despite having only two elected MPs.
Thirdly, their candidates have a habit of being a bit OTT with their freedom of speech. All the parties have their fuck ups, just UKIP seem to have a lot of them. They've had to ban former members of the old right-wing parties from joining to help prevent further cock ups.
Gotta disagree with most of your points. UKIP quite clearly are different to the rest of the political class (not saying they're any better or worse, just different). Farage actually had a career in the private sector and had his own business before he went into politics, he only got elected after actually doing something with his life. All the others, Cameron, Clegg, Miliband etc all went the exact same route: graduated from Oxbridge, went to work for their relative political parties in central office and then became SpAds, progressing on to become MPs around the age of 32. All three of them have only really ever worked in politics and have little experience of the outside world. Cameron has the most experience of the private sector, as he worked at a PR company for two years. Miliband has never worked outside the public sector.
Probably true about its MPs being former Tories and the relative lack of female candidates.
Come on, you find that in all the parties, it's just the media like to play up the stereotype of UKIP being homophobic etc and focus in on it. I'd argue the media elite is just as narrow and from the same liberal North London background as the politicians. They love to bash UKIP whenever possible.
I probably won't vote for them, but they do raise a lot of legitimate points about the current narrow eliteness of UK politics and how distanced the main parties are from the concerns of their voters.
Can someone explain what exactly is wrong with Ukip? Is it just because they're libertarian, or do they have some other retarded policies that isolate potential supporters?
Yeah it isn't all what Sven said but he did his best to belittle the left.
UKIP, and Nigel Farage in particular, are going about the campaign talking about how they are the party of the people and are so incredibly different from the "political class". However there's a large hypocrisy in that their leader has been a full time politician for 16 years, there only two elected members were both MPs before becoming UKIP ones and they have the lowest percentage of female candidates out of all the 6 main parties.
They also make a big fuss about the media bias against them. However, UKIP are on TV more than any other minor party and nearly as much as the two main ones. Despite having only two elected MPs.
Thirdly, their candidates have a habit of being a bit OTT with their freedom of speech. All the parties have their fuck ups, just UKIP seem to have a lot of them. They've had to ban former members of the old right-wing parties from joining to help prevent further cock ups.
Gotta disagree with most of your points. UKIP quite clearly are different to the rest of the political class (not saying they're any better or worse, just different). Farage actually had a career in the private sector and had his own business before he went into politics, he only got elected after actually doing something with his life. All the others, Cameron, Clegg, Miliband etc all went the exact same route: graduated from Oxbridge, went to work for their relative political parties in central office and then became SpAds, progressing on to become MPs around the age of 32. All three of them have only really ever worked in politics and have little experience of the outside world. Cameron has the most experience of the private sector, as he worked at a PR company for two years. Miliband has never worked outside the public sector.
Probably true about its MPs being former Tories and the relative lack of female candidates.
Come on, you find that in all the parties, it's just the media like to play up the stereotype of UKIP being homophobic etc and focus in on it. I'd argue the media elite is just as narrow and from the same liberal North London background as the politicians. They love to bash UKIP whenever possible.
I probably won't vote for them, but they do raise a lot of legitimate points about the current narrow eliteness of UK politics and how distanced the main parties are from the concerns of their voters.
It never ceases to amaze how much of the electorate buy into these stereotypes and bandwagons when it comes to UK politics. 'UKIP is different, everyone vote for them!'. People were saying the exact same thing about the Lib Dems in 2010 and look at how people have discarded them now because, guess what, Lib Dems were a political party same as UKIP and everyone else. The whole 'all politicians are evil and stupid... except this one!' mentality really needs to die and be replaced by actual research into the parties and their policies. David Cameron summed it up perfectly during the Channel 4 Battle for Number 10 when asked 'What are Ed Miliband's best qualities?'. He answered that he believed everyone who went into politics did so for the best reasons and that everyone believes what they're doing is the right thing for the country, just that everyone has different opinions and priorities. Some are more ethically and motivationally questionable (UKIP) and some are more naive and even dangerous (not mentioning any names), but none are in-disguise Bond villains who will burst into maniac laughter upon winning the election to fleets of black helicopters flying overhead.
One thing I will say about Farage is that he's incredibly charismatic and that serves him very well. It really is a shame what cause he puts that charisma towards, but it wins him voters nonetheless. Combine that with the convenient lumping of all of the country's problems into one pot labeled 'Foreigners', the offering of two simple overnight solutions to it (almost too good to be true, right?) and you have a popularity explosion among the more nationalistic and more credulous of the voter base. A few PR shots of Farage holding a pint followed by an assault on the posh, university educated political elite couldn't hurt either. It's depressing just how well it worked, even if it looks like it will fall well short tomorrow.
In totally unrelated news: UKIP candidate Robert Blay has been suspended after threatening to shoot a Conservative MP of Asian descent for not being British enough for parliament.
I could see tory and Ukip happening.
I could see tory and Ukip happening.
However if Nigel is unable to win his seat then Ukip is screwed
There were so many people around campus getting people to vote, so hopefully there should be pretty good turnout in my constituency. Should be interesting results, as it's the Sheffield Hallam constituency (Nick Clegg's) and from the sound of it it might go Labour.
It would definitely put the Lib Dems in a pretty tough spot if he lost it, and have pretty major implications for any coalitions (although I'm sure the Lib Dems will already have a contingency plan).
ukip will win guys dont worry, they will deport all the immigrants and then form a union with israel
So what happens now?This country gets fucked for another 5 years
Well goodbye Nigel Farage, Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband
Well goodbye Nigel Farage, Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband
I like how the internet community loves UKIP yet they won't leave the house to vote, rippyriprip.
Well goodbye Nigel Farage, Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband
I like how the internet community loves UKIP yet they won't leave the house to vote, rippyriprip.
When you live in the only area UKIP won...Poor you......Spoiler(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thespinalley.co.uk%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F04%2FNigel-Farage-ukip-times.jpg&hash=1f6d45df8fe821a490e53f909d87249c954a7acf)[close]
Well goodbye Nigel Farage, Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband
I like how the internet community loves UKIP yet they won't leave the house to vote, rippyriprip.
Its a shame really, if they had more seats it would be good to have them, but i guess the props go to em :'(When you live in the only area UKIP won...Poor you......Spoiler(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thespinalley.co.uk%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F04%2FNigel-Farage-ukip-times.jpg&hash=1f6d45df8fe821a490e53f909d87249c954a7acf)[close]
Props do not go to them, they suck.Its a shame really, if they had more seats it would be good to have them, but i guess the props go to em :'(When you live in the only area UKIP won...Poor you......Spoiler(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thespinalley.co.uk%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F04%2FNigel-Farage-ukip-times.jpg&hash=1f6d45df8fe821a490e53f909d87249c954a7acf)[close]
Wonder if UKIP will exist after 2017. They wont pick up much momentum from this result, farage might be gone and regardless of the result of the EU referendum they can't really gain from it.
All we can hope for now is leaving the EUProps do not go to them, they suck.Its a shame really, if they had more seats it would be good to have them, but i guess the props go to em :'(When you live in the only area UKIP won...Poor you......Spoiler(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thespinalley.co.uk%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F04%2FNigel-Farage-ukip-times.jpg&hash=1f6d45df8fe821a490e53f909d87249c954a7acf)[close]
Has it's drawbacks aswell though.All we can hope for now is leaving the EUProps do not go to them, they suck.Its a shame really, if they had more seats it would be good to have them, but i guess the props go to em :'(When you live in the only area UKIP won...Poor you......Spoiler(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thespinalley.co.uk%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F04%2FNigel-Farage-ukip-times.jpg&hash=1f6d45df8fe821a490e53f909d87249c954a7acf)[close]
The pros are better the the consHas it's drawbacks aswell though.All we can hope for now is leaving the EUProps do not go to them, they suck.Its a shame really, if they had more seats it would be good to have them, but i guess the props go to em :'(When you live in the only area UKIP won...Poor you......Spoiler(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thespinalley.co.uk%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F04%2FNigel-Farage-ukip-times.jpg&hash=1f6d45df8fe821a490e53f909d87249c954a7acf)[close]
The pros are better the the consHas it's drawbacks aswell though.All we can hope for now is leaving the EUProps do not go to them, they suck.Its a shame really, if they had more seats it would be good to have them, but i guess the props go to em :'(When you live in the only area UKIP won...Poor you......Spoiler(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thespinalley.co.uk%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F04%2FNigel-Farage-ukip-times.jpg&hash=1f6d45df8fe821a490e53f909d87249c954a7acf)[close]
'Brussels' has so agenda. Nothing is decided without agreement from the Council of Ministers or the European Parliament.
What, you actually think that Britain should have the power of veto over the EU? Nothing would get done. The point of the EU was supposed to be economic cooperation between European nations, not "Britain get's to do what it wants but the rest of us have to follow the rules". It's a democracy, things don't always go your way (*hint* the new government).'Brussels' has so agenda. Nothing is decided without agreement from the Council of Ministers or the European Parliament.
But there's 28 member states, of which Britain is just one. We get outvoted all the time because our goals and interests are different from mainland Europe. Now that the power of veto has been stripped from most decisions, it's even worse for us.
What, you actually think that Britain should have the power of veto over the EU? Nothing would get done. The point of the EU was supposed to be economic cooperation between European nations, not "Britain get's to do what it wants but the rest of us have to follow the rules". It's a democracy, things don't always go your way (*hint* the new government).'Brussels' has so agenda. Nothing is decided without agreement from the Council of Ministers or the European Parliament.
But there's 28 member states, of which Britain is just one. We get outvoted all the time because our goals and interests are different from mainland Europe. Now that the power of veto has been stripped from most decisions, it's even worse for us.
Of course, there are other things that come along with it, like human rights and food quality control, which personally I'm glad are in place.
The Tories want to repeal the human rights section, which is pretty fucking atrocious, all things considered. If they want to make their own extra human rights, just add some now, don't repeal the old one and make a new one. It leaves huge scope for loopholes (probably to do with terrorism/monitoring communication I'd imagine) and abuse. I honestly see no reason to take away any human rights, only add new ones.
Honestly the next 5 years are going to be shit for average Britons. The NHS is going to be overworked and under financed, with more profits being handed out to private companies (and with the TTIP, the NHS will be vulnerable to law suits if it doesn't allow companies to take over a portion of the market), more people will lose benefits and community centres will close, and all this simply to cut costs for companies to attract them to the UK.
Every country has veto-power in the council of ministers.
Voting is a right you have as a citizen. Being a convicted criminal doesn't suddenly mean you lose your citizenship, thus you should have the ability to vote.
That's because we are transferring powers to the directly elected European Parliament - Because people complain the EU is not democratic! The European Commission is appointed by that parliament.
That's because we are transferring powers to the directly elected European Parliament - Because people complain the EU is not democratic! The European Commission is appointed by that parliament.
Of which Britain has around 12% of the MEPs (the majority of which are pro-EU integration, where as the majority of the UK population aren't, as apart from UKIP the only people that would stand to be MEPs for the other parties are those that are pro-EU). The EU Parliament is a veneer of democracy, it merely approves legislation it doesn't propose it, the complete opposite to what the UK Parliament does. Face it, the UK and the rest of the EU have diverging interests. They want more integration, more homogenisation, Britain doesn't. We're not even members of the Euro. The European Parliamentary elections used to be the only election where UKIP did well, purely because people did not want the UK to hand over any more powers to the EU.
StevenChilton, do you really think all other 27 member states and their populations want more integration, and the UK is the only one holding it back? Really?
REALLY?
Besides, yes, 12% of the MEP's are elected by the UK. What's your point? That's unfair? They should elect 51% and have the rest divided under the 27 other members? Would that be fair enough for your taste?
Just to clarify about the human rights act, I feel like it's likely that the Tories could use it as an excuse to leave the EU. They'll try to scrap it, the EU will complain, they'll stir up the media making speeches about how the EU is always telling us what to do, then they'll have the referendum about leaving and, surprise surprise, the population will have been bombarded with enough bullshit to want to leave.
Not sure how likely it is to happen, personally I really hope it doesn't, but unfortunately they can essentially do whatever they want now.
Not sure I like the sound of Gove being the one to write the Bill of Rights :-\my parents are teachers and what the Tories might do concerns them greatly, they hate Gove with a passion.
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I would rather have the Monster raving loony party then the respect partyFree ice-cream on weekends? I'm not complaining.
Where was the respect party standing? I never heard anything about them...
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.yougov.com%2Fcumulus_uploads%2Finlineimage%2F2015-04-22%2FEURef.png&hash=36fdb7305f34b19ab4540374a96a61d1143d7525)As long as the Tories try to make the EU better for us, instead of some fag in Brussels making all of our decisions then there should be no major problem. Also if we stay, it is amusing to watch Farage, barrage the EU president and members
On the subject of the poll, just going to leave this here. It seems somewhat volatile, but it's also easy to see a clear upward trend for the 'stay in' vote. I only expect that to rise the closer we get to 2017.
Before you start speaking about the EU, maybe you should try to understand how it works. Your ignorance is so blatantly obvious it hurts my eyes.
Before you start speaking about the EU, maybe you should try to understand how it works. Your ignorance is so blatantly obvious it hurts my eyes.
Before you start speaking about the EU, maybe you should try to understand how it works. Your ignorance is so blatantly obvious it hurts my eyes.inb4 i get banned
Remember it's the immigrants who steal the jobsBefore you start speaking about the EU, maybe you should try to understand how it works. Your ignorance is so blatantly obvious it hurts my eyes.
Lefty bureaucrats making ma laws and steelin ma jobs!!!!11!!11one!!
Remember it's the immigrants who steal the jobsBefore you start speaking about the EU, maybe you should try to understand how it works. Your ignorance is so blatantly obvious it hurts my eyes.
Lefty bureaucrats making ma laws and steelin ma jobs!!!!11!!11one!!
Ayy, but to be fair, the immigration problem does need to be sorted.Remember it's the immigrants who steal the jobsBefore you start speaking about the EU, maybe you should try to understand how it works. Your ignorance is so blatantly obvious it hurts my eyes.
Lefty bureaucrats making ma laws and steelin ma jobs!!!!11!!11one!!
Immigrants imposed on us by the EU to corrode the British way of life! Just so the immigrants can send our benefits back to Brussels to feed themselves!
all those polish people
stealing benefits
taking our jobs
Ayy, inb4 he steals your shekels to fix the greek economyall those polish people
stealing benefits
taking our jobs
lol ur greek
lol ur greekthat's the irony
all those polish people
stealing benefits
taking our jobs
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see you later GAYLabour
Just be thankful there aren't any Islamic countries in the EU.The independent state of Bradistan, formerly known as Bradford
Just be thankful there aren't any Islamic countries in the EU.The independent state of Bradistan, formerly known as Bradford
Just be thankful there aren't any Islamic countries in the EU.
Take Bosnia, not TurkeyJust be thankful there aren't any Islamic countries in the EU.
inb4 bosnia and turkey
First Meeting of the New Conservative Government
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Very satisfied with the election (If you couldn't tell by my name). Couldn't have turned out better! 8)
watVery satisfied with the election (If you couldn't tell by my name). Couldn't have turned out better! 8)
oooo a gurl :3
Very satisfied with the election (If you couldn't tell by my name). Couldn't have turned out better! 8)
oooo a gurl :3
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Stfu Moosekid and get to bed
Labour is 100% dead, it'll be a slow death but there's no foreseeable recovery. They've lost Scotland and they'll never get that back, and they're on the edge of losing Unite who'll take a lot of the smaller unions with them and with that a huge chunk of Labour's money.
Labour is 100% dead, it'll be a slow death but there's no foreseeable recovery. They've lost Scotland and they'll never get that back, and they're on the edge of losing Unite who'll take a lot of the smaller unions with them and with that a huge chunk of Labour's money.
Good.
Labour is 100% dead, it'll be a slow death but there's no foreseeable recovery. They've lost Scotland and they'll never get that back, and they're on the edge of losing Unite who'll take a lot of the smaller unions with them and with that a huge chunk of Labour's money.
Good.