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US Presidential Election 2016

Hillary Clinton (the iron clitoris)
3 (11.5%)
Jeb Bush (three times the charm)
2 (7.7%)
Bernie Sanders (Bring the Revolution 2016)
3 (11.5%)
I'm not an American (not free) so I can't vote in your wanker election
13 (50%)
Non-voting American because I'm apathetic and there's no hope
5 (19.2%)

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Re: Politics Thread. #FreeBurgundy
« Reply #1635 on: October 15, 2014, 05:38:31 pm »
Or just change your system to something...democratic.

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Re: Politics Thread. #FreeBurgundy
« Reply #1636 on: October 15, 2014, 05:39:40 pm »
two parties - 1 party = totalitarianism

much demucracy


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Re: Politics Thread. #FreeBurgundy
« Reply #1637 on: October 15, 2014, 05:55:50 pm »
You can't just make a law that insists you have several parties in your system. That's implanting democracy from above, which just doesn't work.

Abolishing the electoral college, replacing majority vote with representative vote and no longer elect governors directly. It's simply unfair that the state where you reside in decides how much your vote is worth, considering someone (in theory) has as much to do with the president as the next guy. The electoral college is made even more undemocratic trough 'First Past the Post', where your vote is ignored if you are a minority. Every vote should be worth exactly the same, and whoever gets the most votes, wins.

As for the election of the senate and the house of representatives, third parties are kept out (and therefor, political minorities also) by having an independent election for every seat, meaning that hypothetically, a state that has 10 seats and where there are 10% vote for party A, 20% for party B, 10% for party C and 60% for Party D, party D would get all the seats. This is while 40% of the voters do not want to be represented by party D. This leads to bandwagoning, where voters no longer vote for the party of their preferred choice, but the party they hate the least which still has a change of getting in. How can anyone defend this system? Representative voting is the way.

This would of course lead to an explosion of parties that are voted into the senate and House, but hey, that's democracy. No longer would there be a single party in charge; Parties would actually have to form coalitions and agree to cooperation, which means that on a variety of issues, middle grounds will be reached, instead of one party getting everything they want.

I am aware of the fact that American politics circle more around persona then around parties, but I'm confident that with changes, that mindset can change. Political participation will rise, because now people can truly get THEIR say into state and national politics. While one can argue that this would not benefit how well the system works, the situation can't really get any worst in the USA. Democracy is, eventually, about the people having a say in how they are governed.

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Re: Politics Thread. #FreeBurgundy
« Reply #1638 on: October 15, 2014, 09:35:20 pm »
Soz no rand Paul with his curly pubes for hair

That's a shame, it appears I'll not vote, then. :(
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Re: Politics Thread. #FreeBurgundy
« Reply #1639 on: October 16, 2014, 10:24:59 am »
You can't just make a law that insists you have several parties in your system. That's implanting democracy from above, which just doesn't work.

Abolishing the electoral college, replacing majority vote with representative vote and no longer elect governors directly. It's simply unfair that the state where you reside in decides how much your vote is worth, considering someone (in theory) has as much to do with the president as the next guy. The electoral college is made even more undemocratic trough 'First Past the Post', where your vote is ignored if you are a minority. Every vote should be worth exactly the same, and whoever gets the most votes, wins.

As for the election of the senate and the house of representatives, third parties are kept out (and therefor, political minorities also) by having an independent election for every seat, meaning that hypothetically, a state that has 10 seats and where there are 10% vote for party A, 20% for party B, 10% for party C and 60% for Party D, party D would get all the seats. This is while 40% of the voters do not want to be represented by party D. This leads to bandwagoning, where voters no longer vote for the party of their preferred choice, but the party they hate the least which still has a change of getting in. How can anyone defend this system? Representative voting is the way.

This would of course lead to an explosion of parties that are voted into the senate and House, but hey, that's democracy. No longer would there be a single party in charge; Parties would actually have to form coalitions and agree to cooperation, which means that on a variety of issues, middle grounds will be reached, instead of one party getting everything they want.

I am aware of the fact that American politics circle more around persona then around parties, but I'm confident that with changes, that mindset can change. Political participation will rise, because now people can truly get THEIR say into state and national politics. While one can argue that this would not benefit how well the system works, the situation can't really get any worst in the USA. Democracy is, eventually, about the people having a say in how they are governed.
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Re: Politics Thread. #FreeBurgundy
« Reply #1640 on: October 16, 2014, 06:13:59 pm »
I believe this fits here, it's meant as comical. Ples no take seriously
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Re: Politics Thread. #FreeBurgundy
« Reply #1641 on: October 17, 2014, 12:17:31 am »
I believe this fits here, it's meant as comical. Ples no take seriously
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Re: Politics Thread. #FreeBurgundy
« Reply #1642 on: October 17, 2014, 07:50:21 pm »
Pursuant to the new forum policy against 100+ page threads, this thread needs to be locked. You're more than welcome to create Version 2 of the thread and continue the game banter.
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