North American Gold 5v5 League [Season 3][Team Redemption - S3 Champions]

[Dan the Seagull Chef]

From the beginning the league was going to top 4 seeds which was put on the thread, I believe. Then Aurum put up the poll sometime later; then after a bit, decided to make it top 4 seeds. Idk why people complain or want to argue it now, especially after week 4 matches. Aurum put up 2 posts on the thread (maybe more) saying for people to give their thoughts on the playoff system. You saying it now after given the previous opportunities just doesn't look good.

And before you say "no he didn't"
here you go

Spoiler

Also i'm updating the rules down below.

Overtime
Max of 1 Bo6 OT (3-3 tie, 4 round wins to win)
3-3 Tiebreaker will be a ft4 (4 round wins to win, no ties after)
Each team will get 1 30 second timeout each OT period (so one 30 second timeout during the Bo6 and one during the ft4 period)

My logic for this is that I still like the bo6 format, but the matches can last for a bit too long and with the possibility of there being three ties (unlikely, but just incase) a series, it just makes sense to cut it off at a certain point. The minimum amount of rounds the overtime can be is 4 while the max is 13, which I think is a fair amount. It will give teams the chance to rebound if they played a bad round or two without it dragging out too long. For reference, SS vs BM last week was a total of 17 rounds of overtime which is a little excessive considering it could of gone even longer. Let me know what you guys think about this.

General Rules:
Officially putting this in writing, but both teams will have to be ready (R is typed) by 59:30. This'll give time for substitutions to happen and strats to be called without taking too long. Most games have been proceeding like this anyways.
Rosters will be 100% deadlocked by the end of Round 5. Meaning that if you have an inactive player in the playoffs, then you won't be able to swap that person out for a free agent.
Rounds will last a maximum of 5 minutes


Playoff information:
Single elimination format
Seeds 1 - 4
Round 1 will be a simple Bo3
Round 2 (Championship) will be a Bo5 - willing to change this if people think that a Bo5 would be way too much to play for.

Still toying around with the idea of a lower seeded "tournament" as well. Undrafted team vs seed 6 and winner plays seed 5. However there would be no prizepool unless people donated. So i'm not too sure if people would even want to play with that. Or maybe just say fuck it and do seeds 1-6 in the tournament. I'll put a poll up on the thread because I'm actually still really torn about this. I'm torn because it feels like seeds 1-2 don't get anything special for being top seeded but at the same time if seeds 5 and 6 are in the tournament then what was the actual point of having the regular season if everybody was going to be in the playoffs anyways. I mean seeds 3-6 will have to play an extra game in the playoffs but still. pls vote i need help

Lastly - Trading ends this week, so if you want to do a last minute trade then this is your chance.

but ye just let me know what yall think

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Spoiler

Also ill be having the playoff system announced by Sunday night or Monday. If anyone has some last minute thoughts make sure u post em

[close]

Why would he set and stone something, then ask about how people wanted to do a system? Aurum has concluded half this league on the go?

The 4 seed system was never set in stone. Originally I was just going to do a championship match but wastee had convinced me (rightfully so) that a playoff system would be better. If you actually read the post, you'll see that I was still looking for feedback on what I should do for the playoff system. I also don't see what the problem is. Most of the changes n shit that I added was based on feedback that I got from multiple people. I wanted to try and be as transparent as possibly and make the league as good as I could make it, so I was highly receptive to changing stuff. A lot of my shit was outdated too so it needed updating

smh giving in to terrorists

[Fartknocker]

Please ignore Cytiuz. Everyone go to sleep.

[Stroke0fd34th]

Regular season is for playoff seeding in every single sport other than soccer. There isn't enough teams to eliminate them from the playoffs. The top two teams should be rewarded with a bye week for their regular season performance and they get to scout the other teams during their matches. 3 seed plays 6 seed, 4 seed plays 5 seed. I don't get what the big deal would be to do this. More twitch viewers for you Aurum because there would be two teams not playing that could watch the matches and it extends the season a little bit. It would benefit everyone (more twitch streams and everyone gets to play NW a bit more).

If you're set on 4 teams then go for it, but at least consider the benefits of doing it this way.

I mean, Hockey the regular season determines who gets into the playoffs and who doesn't. In SMITE (idk about other games) not all the teams go to the playoff stage after the regular season.
Having everyone make the playoffs takes away from the importance of the regular season, if everyone's guaranteed to make it, then who cares? You could put in zero effort every match, still make the playoffs and then switch it on for play offs. Sure, you get better seeding on paper, but it makes no practical difference, like if your team has a tendency to play really well against say Corona, but really shit against Redemption, what's to stop people from just half-assing their matches to end up with seeding so they can play Corona first?
Like there's no point to a regular-season if you do that, at that point, it's literally just a bunch of scrims. Teams should have to play to earn their spots, they shouldn't be guaranteed just for participating.

Which is why the decision is being decided on basically at the end of the regular season.... the argument against saying it takes away from a important regular season is dumb in my opinion. Its the same argument from people wanting a 4 seed playoff, while I am not interpreting it is completely stupid. I think its better to point out how short the season already is. The Regular season does nothing for most teams. If you really wanted to have a impactful regular season it should have been extended. It is better to think abroad, and how we can make a playoff interesting. Either way the importance of the regular season at this point shouldn't be about elimination, but about seeding and making the playoff race easier. Scrimming will only make some players or teams so good, the only way some players get the reps they need is through regular season, and we don't have a lot of that as is. Why should a team, have a few bad performances and already be ruled out?

The length of the regular season shouldn't make a difference. Like we all knew we had 5 matches to perform our best in and show that we deserve our spot in the playoffs. If a team is having enough bad performances to be eliminated, why should they be given a spot?

No one is perfect, teams need time to adjust. Like I said to say teams who struggle are automatically unworthy of even PARTICIPATING in a chance to win, is judging someone who hasn't walked, on their inability to walk properly. None of these teams have had a proper amount of time to practice, which gives everyone reason to have them all play in a playoff to show off how they have improved. Like I said this is why this "playoff" decision should be determined after, so teams try hard through. We all have 1 match left, so for most teams it is already a "scrim" since some are predetermined to their disposition. Some already know what it takes to either win, or even if they have to try anymore. The season is so short, to argue that perfect performance for 4 weeks of actually playing, some players just coming back in the period, is absolutely insane.

No, it isn't. We're all comp players and have been for awhile. No one is learning to walk for the first time, and there've been scrims going on since a week before even the first match week, and most teams scrim multiple days a week and multiple times a night lol, that's over a 4 week period at this point, so the excuse of not having enough time to practice feels disingenuous.
At this point, some teams like Blademasters & Corona, yes, their last match doesn't really matter, but they've played to the point that they earned it, they clinched their spot and they get to reap the rewards of their efforts, for the rest of us, you know, we gotta keep playing our best for this last week and prove we also deserve to be in the playoffs with them.

That is fair to say, but for some teams they have to have everything add up for it to work in their favor, and yes they did lose some of their matches, but like I said concluding a 5 match season is like concluding a batters career based upon his first couple at bats .

I don't think that analogy really works tbh.

Think of it this way, let's say you're trying to determine your starting line up for your next match, and you have everyone duel for their spot on the starting line up. You only have 4 spots available and 6 players who want on the starting line up.
After the duels conclude and you have your starting 4, does it make more sense to let those 4 play, or to ask the owner of the league to change their tournament to a 6v6 so everyone can play, because maybe 2 guys were having an off day?

[Cytiuz]

Please ignore Cytiuz. Everyone go to sleep.

I cant feel my hands. I need more caffeine.

[Risk_]

Spoiler

Regular season is for playoff seeding in every single sport other than soccer. There isn't enough teams to eliminate them from the playoffs. The top two teams should be rewarded with a bye week for their regular season performance and they get to scout the other teams during their matches. 3 seed plays 6 seed, 4 seed plays 5 seed. I don't get what the big deal would be to do this. More twitch viewers for you Aurum because there would be two teams not playing that could watch the matches and it extends the season a little bit. It would benefit everyone (more twitch streams and everyone gets to play NW a bit more).

If you're set on 4 teams then go for it, but at least consider the benefits of doing it this way.

I mean, Hockey the regular season determines who gets into the playoffs and who doesn't. In SMITE (idk about other games) not all the teams go to the playoff stage after the regular season.
Having everyone make the playoffs takes away from the importance of the regular season, if everyone's guaranteed to make it, then who cares? You could put in zero effort every match, still make the playoffs and then switch it on for play offs. Sure, you get better seeding on paper, but it makes no practical difference, like if your team has a tendency to play really well against say Corona, but really shit against Redemption, what's to stop people from just half-assing their matches to end up with seeding so they can play Corona first?
Like there's no point to a regular-season if you do that, at that point, it's literally just a bunch of scrims. Teams should have to play to earn their spots, they shouldn't be guaranteed just for participating.

Which is why the decision is being decided on basically at the end of the regular season.... the argument against saying it takes away from a important regular season is dumb in my opinion. Its the same argument from people wanting a 4 seed playoff, while I am not interpreting it is completely stupid. I think its better to point out how short the season already is. The Regular season does nothing for most teams. If you really wanted to have a impactful regular season it should have been extended. It is better to think abroad, and how we can make a playoff interesting. Either way the importance of the regular season at this point shouldn't be about elimination, but about seeding and making the playoff race easier. Scrimming will only make some players or teams so good, the only way some players get the reps they need is through regular season, and we don't have a lot of that as is. Why should a team, have a few bad performances and already be ruled out?

The length of the regular season shouldn't make a difference. Like we all knew we had 5 matches to perform our best in and show that we deserve our spot in the playoffs. If a team is having enough bad performances to be eliminated, why should they be given a spot?

No one is perfect, teams need time to adjust. Like I said to say teams who struggle are automatically unworthy of even PARTICIPATING in a chance to win, is judging someone who hasn't walked, on their inability to walk properly. None of these teams have had a proper amount of time to practice, which gives everyone reason to have them all play in a playoff to show off how they have improved. Like I said this is why this "playoff" decision should be determined after, so teams try hard through. We all have 1 match left, so for most teams it is already a "scrim" since some are predetermined to their disposition. Some already know what it takes to either win, or even if they have to try anymore. The season is so short, to argue that perfect performance for 4 weeks of actually playing, some players just coming back in the period, is absolutely insane.

No, it isn't. We're all comp players and have been for awhile. No one is learning to walk for the first time, and there've been scrims going on since a week before even the first match week, and most teams scrim multiple days a week and multiple times a night lol, that's over a 4 week period at this point, so the excuse of not having enough time to practice feels disingenuous.
At this point, some teams like Blademasters & Corona, yes, their last match doesn't really matter, but they've played to the point that they earned it, they clinched their spot and they get to reap the rewards of their efforts, for the rest of us, you know, we gotta keep playing our best for this last week and prove we also deserve to be in the playoffs with them.

That is fair to say, but for some teams they have to have everything add up for it to work in their favor, and yes they did lose some of their matches, but like I said concluding a 5 match season is like concluding a batters career based upon his first couple at bats .

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Matches aren't first at bats, that's asinine. Maybe your first match is at the minimum, even then teams were doing tons of scrims before their first officials. Matches are bo3, which is minimum 2 groupfights with a possible OT. Compared to what NA has done previously with these leagues (only playing 1 gf on 1 map), we are all essentially playing each team twice of maybe three times (because of the bo3). There is plenty of time to gather your team, figure out strategy, line-ups, do scrims etc. You have a week in between each match to continue that and work on anything you want to. Then adjust and play your best to win. There will be a loser and that's just how it works. You can't say they "needed more time" or w/e because they lost. Every team knows they have to perform their best in the officials and a team has to come out on top. If you are upset about being judged for what you call "bad performances" well they are officials. Everyone knows it's an official going into the match and you have to play your best. If you lose, sure it could be called a bad performance but you can't try to negate the outcome and use it as an excuse now. As I said, your team and the other teams knew it was an official, there will be a winner and loser—simple as that.

On a side note, complaining about the regular season length is also really bad considering we are in week 4/5, should have been done way earlier if you truly had a problem with it.

Spoiler

From the beginning the league was going to top 4 seeds which was put on the thread, I believe. Then Aurum put up the poll sometime later; then after a bit, decided to make it top 4 seeds. Idk why people complain or want to argue it now, especially after week 4 matches. Aurum put up 2 posts on the thread (maybe more) saying for people to give their thoughts on the playoff system. You saying it now after given the previous opportunities just doesn't look good.

And before you say "no he didn't"
here you go

Spoiler

Also i'm updating the rules down below.

Overtime
Max of 1 Bo6 OT (3-3 tie, 4 round wins to win)
3-3 Tiebreaker will be a ft4 (4 round wins to win, no ties after)
Each team will get 1 30 second timeout each OT period (so one 30 second timeout during the Bo6 and one during the ft4 period)

My logic for this is that I still like the bo6 format, but the matches can last for a bit too long and with the possibility of there being three ties (unlikely, but just incase) a series, it just makes sense to cut it off at a certain point. The minimum amount of rounds the overtime can be is 4 while the max is 13, which I think is a fair amount. It will give teams the chance to rebound if they played a bad round or two without it dragging out too long. For reference, SS vs BM last week was a total of 17 rounds of overtime which is a little excessive considering it could of gone even longer. Let me know what you guys think about this.

General Rules:
Officially putting this in writing, but both teams will have to be ready (R is typed) by 59:30. This'll give time for substitutions to happen and strats to be called without taking too long. Most games have been proceeding like this anyways.
Rosters will be 100% deadlocked by the end of Round 5. Meaning that if you have an inactive player in the playoffs, then you won't be able to swap that person out for a free agent.
Rounds will last a maximum of 5 minutes


Playoff information:
Single elimination format
Seeds 1 - 4
Round 1 will be a simple Bo3
Round 2 (Championship) will be a Bo5 - willing to change this if people think that a Bo5 would be way too much to play for.

Still toying around with the idea of a lower seeded "tournament" as well. Undrafted team vs seed 6 and winner plays seed 5. However there would be no prizepool unless people donated. So i'm not too sure if people would even want to play with that. Or maybe just say fuck it and do seeds 1-6 in the tournament. I'll put a poll up on the thread because I'm actually still really torn about this. I'm torn because it feels like seeds 1-2 don't get anything special for being top seeded but at the same time if seeds 5 and 6 are in the tournament then what was the actual point of having the regular season if everybody was going to be in the playoffs anyways. I mean seeds 3-6 will have to play an extra game in the playoffs but still. pls vote i need help

Lastly - Trading ends this week, so if you want to do a last minute trade then this is your chance.

but ye just let me know what yall think

[close]

Spoiler

Also ill be having the playoff system announced by Sunday night or Monday. If anyone has some last minute thoughts make sure u post em

[close]

Why would he set and stone something, then ask about how people wanted to do a system? Aurum has concluded half this league on the go?

[close]

He already responded but yeah he had feedback from various people to change it and wanted to ask other people's opinions.

[sidney crosby]

vindica have been 2-0d in 3/4 matches and still have a chance to make playoffs, pretty lucky if you ask me

[Aurum]

Week 4 Bonus Recipient:

Cwater


Despite his cancerous duel style, cwater has been one of the most impactful players of this tournament. Mustering in the 2nd most kills in the league, at a whopping 212 kills. It's been a pleasure for me to watch Cwater because I don't really remember him from when I used to be active, hes someone fresh to watch for me. Congratulations Cwater and good luck towards the rest of the league. Payment of $10 has been sent out already.

also check out this epic clip from lawbringer last night: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/644901300

[Rutger Müller]

*blocks vigorously while calling everyone else scared to fight you*
"heh... nothin personal"

[Fartknocker]

*blocks vigorously while calling everyone else scared to fight you*
"heh... nothin personal"

Dueling Godfreid vs dueling Cwater:

[Sgt.Winters]

somebody_1982.mp4

[Cytiuz]

NA Competitive NW in a nut shell

[Aurum]

Week 4 Recap & Playoffs:



First off, I just want to say that that stupid fucking graphic i just made took me like an hour and a half. Anyways, week 4 has been concluded with Corona, Blademasters and Team Redemption coming out on top over their opponents. I think that it is now safe to say who is clearly on top of the league. Currently Corona and Blademasters are the only team with a positive W/L ratio. They are both equal in terms of point differential as well. Vindica and SS both secure their spot at the bottom with a -33 and -32 point differential. Team Redemption climbs out of the hole that they were in with a win over Squirtle Squad.


Playoffs:


The decision between a 6-seeded and a 4-seeded playoff system has been a source of controversy. I am sticking with my decision to go with a 4-seeded playoff bracket. I do genuinely feel bad for the teams that feel like they have been cheated out of the tournament. In hindsight I would of probably added another team or two (did not expect the amount of people that signed up after the draft and right before the draft) but it is what it is. I think that a team needs to deserve going into the playoffs, and a team that goes 1-4 during the regular season, in my eyes, doesn't deserve to move on to the playoffs. Imo, 6-seeding hurts the 3rd and 4th seeds too much for me to justify putting in the 5th and 6th seed. Posted below will be the information about the playoffs:

Playoff Information:
Top 4 Seeds
Round 1 of playoffs will start immediately after Week 5 (same timeframe, it's essentially week 6) and the Championship the following week.
Matches will all be Bo3
1st & 2nd Seeds will get first map pick

Clinched Playoffs:

#1 - Coronanana
#2 - Blademasters

Corona and Blademasters will end the season with 3 wins, no matter what. It is possible for 4 teams to have 3 wins so by default Corona and BM make it into the Playoffs.

Other Teams Playoff Chances:

Bonk Win over Corona: Clinched Playoff spot
Bonk Loss vs Corona & TR win vs BM: Bonk plays winner of SS vs Vindica

TR Win over Blademasters: Clinched Playoff spot
TR loss vs Blademasters & Bonk win vs Corona: TR plays winner of SS vs Vindica

Bonk & TR both lose: Point Differential will determine #3 and #4 seeding with SS vs Vindica winner's point differential tallied up as well.

Vindica or SS need to win their game vs each other and either TR or BONK need to lose their match.

I think that this is the best way to compromise between the people who wanted 4-seeding and 6-seeding. The bottom 4 seeds all keep their incentive to play their matches out as best as they can so week 5 isn't a waste of time. If there is a tie for a point differential outcome, then those two teams would play for 4th seed. If Vindica or SS end up playing for a 4th seed spot, then that match will play in week 6. As usual, let me know what you guys think.

[Aurum]

I am genuinely trying my best to make this the best that it can be. Also i don't think that "infographic" I made was worth the work lol. i fuckin suck at photoshop

[Kristine]

I am genuinely trying my best to make this the best that it can be. Also i don't think that "infographic" I made was worth the work lol. i fuckin suck at photoshop

i honestly thought windflower made this holy crap that's insane, good job.

[Windflower]

I am genuinely trying my best to make this the best that it can be. Also i don't think that "infographic" I made was worth the work lol. i fuckin suck at photoshop

just ask me next time woulda taken me 10 minutes smh