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Israel: Zionist or Holy Defender of Civilisation?
« on: July 22, 2014, 09:32:40 pm »
There's threads about Ukraine and Iraq. Let's talk about Israel. So what you guys think about this death in Gaza and fun stuff?

Also, Anonymous is hacking a bunch of Israeli websites in retaliation.
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Re: Israel: Zionist or Holy Defender of Civilisation?
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2014, 09:37:04 pm »
To be fair to Israel, they've given Hamas every opportunity to stop, including the whole creation of the Gaza strip, and yet they keep firing rockets at Israeli cities, hiding behind civilians and hoping that the International community will bully Israel into giving things up. Honestly, I don't blame Israel in the slightest and, although there are plenty of deaths which probably could be avoided, if they were just out to kill people, they wouldn't bother with the whole roof knocking, trying to get civilians to evacuate in 3 different ways etc.

While Israel isn't necessarily in the right, their targets are valid, having missiles under etc, whereas Hamas just spams rockets at cities with no military relevance. To be honest I'm sort of surprised the International community hasn't done more against Hamas, but I suppose people just look at numbers killed, without realising the reasons behind the numbers.

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Re: Israel: Zionist or Holy Defender of Civilisation?
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2014, 10:40:22 pm »
...I'm going to abstain from this one due to bias.

But I'll just leave this note, violence breeds more violence, and sooner or later someone needs to end the cycle.
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Re: Israel: Zionist or Holy Defender of Civilisation?
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2014, 12:20:18 am »
The one thing you have to understand when condemning the Palestines or Hamas because they 'throw away every chance', is that, no matter the situation, they will Always feel like they are acting out of defense for their people. Israel, however, thinks the exact same way so neither party is gonna quit.

The sad truth is probably that the creation of Israel simple was a bad idea that we can't roll back anymore.

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Re: Israel: Zionist or Holy Defender of Civilisation?
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2014, 12:29:38 am »
Palistine sees their claim as legit because they lived there when Israel was created.

Israel sees their claim as legit because their ancestors lived there hundreds of years ago.

All comes down to which claim do you think holds water better. Personally I used to side with Palestine because their claim makes more sense than "My ancestor lived there thousands of years ago". I mean I'm a semite, my family was Jewish and decended from the Isralites, do I get a stake of land there myself?

Also I have  fairly large problem with the idea of a Jewish state. I may be a God fearing man but I always have been and always will be a secularist. Any state based on relgion or ethnicity will devolve into an aparthied state sooner or later.

And this goes for ALL religions and races, not Judaism exclusively.
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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2014, 12:53:57 am »
The only annoying thing is that it gives a "reason" for the maghrebis in France to destroy everything because they stand with Palestine.

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Re: Israel: Zionist or Holy Defender of Civilisation?
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2014, 12:56:54 am »
The Israelis started that riot, they were running through the streets with chairs and bats.

That being said... the Maghrebis went overboard, to put it lightly.
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Re: Israel: Zionist or Holy Defender of Civilisation?
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2014, 07:28:40 pm »
The one thing you have to understand when condemning the Palestines or Hamas because they 'throw away every chance', is that, no matter the situation, they will Always feel like they are acting out of defense for their people. Israel, however, thinks the exact same way so neither party is gonna quit.

The sad truth is probably that the creation of Israel simple was a bad idea that we can't roll back anymore.
The latter I can agree with 100%.

However I'd disagree with the former. Instead of acting out of defence for their people, the Palestinians act out of defence for their own land, as it were. I mean, personally, I don't see storing missiles under civilian homes as a particularly good way of defending my citizens, but maybe that's my western bias talking. Oh yeah, also that whole "children are ok to use as suicide bombers" policy. I have some slight reservations about that. If we could use British chavs for that instead, I'd be totally ok though.

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Re: Israel: Zionist or Holy Defender of Civilisation?
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2014, 07:45:46 pm »
Israel's got to realize there has to be a better way to deal with HAMAS instead of glassing Gaza. It might cost them a few extra Israelis but I'd concider that fair trade to save... what 50 Palestinians?
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Re: Israel: Zionist or Holy Defender of Civilisation?
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2014, 08:02:59 pm »
Who is breaking the rules of war?

Israel is not respecting civilian rights, whilst Hamas is using civilians as shields for military installations... Where do we draw the line?


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Re: Israel: Zionist or Holy Defender of Civilisation?
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2014, 08:07:33 pm »
I propose the "they're both criminals and should all be dealt with" policy.
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Re: Israel: Zionist or Holy Defender of Civilisation?
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2014, 08:42:56 pm »
I just had to go and hide in my basement because I was fired upon.
Your argument is invalid.
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Re: Israel: Zionist or Holy Defender of Civilisation?
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2014, 08:48:36 pm »
? I don't think it affects my argument, or anyone's for that matter, at all.
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Re: Israel: Zionist or Holy Defender of Civilisation?
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2014, 08:51:45 pm »
Let me shed some light:
This whole mess started just because of the way Israel was created. The people who wanted to make a country, back in 1948, were people who tried to earn back their country because of that biblical right, which is to most, a stupid matter. So imagine this: a few rich mofos come to your home, ask you to leave, and if you say on they just sit on your sofa, drinking your beer and declaring the house of their own. What could have happen: the founders of Israel could have just asked the Arabian authorities if they can share the land with them, making it a country with 2 nationalities. But, they preferred having a Zionist, Jewish only country. That's why I must hide in my basement. Also, it's because my government is f-ing stupid.
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