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Which nation do you support the most in the era?

France
20 (19.2%)
Prussia
38 (36.5%)
Britain
46 (44.2%)

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Offline Audiate

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Re: France or Prussia? Poll
« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2013, 10:27:09 am »
 I made a chart. :I

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Pros- Much better uniforms
- Better weaponry
- Generally, I find France pretty unique and interesting
- Fits in with weaponry: dat Chassepot.
- I liked the Partisans in this war a lot
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- More successful in battles, but that honestly shouldn't count
- They had famous German discipline
- NGC brought more trained soldiers from many German States, instead of the French Partisans
Cons- On average, poor training of soldiers
- Poor military organization
- Poor generals
- Pretty uninteresting uniforms; Hmm? Pickelhaube? And what else...?
- Generally uninteresting; for me, Germany has ALWAYS been pretty uninteresting; strong yet uninteresting knights, to soldiers, to fucking Nazis... honestly, Germany only gets remotely interesting to me when the Nazi Party came around, and they were just terrible, all jokes aside

 Anyway, that's why I voted France.

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Re: France or Prussia? Poll
« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2013, 11:38:40 am »
- Pretty uninteresting uniforms; Hmm? Pickelhaube? And what else...?
- Generally uninteresting; for me, Germany has ALWAYS been pretty uninteresting; strong yet uninteresting knights, to soldiers, to fucking Nazis... honestly, Germany only gets remotely interesting to me when the Nazi Party came around, and they were just terrible, all jokes aside


I hate you. Your chart is so wrong that it's almost stupid.

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Re: France or Prussia? Poll
« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2013, 12:36:09 pm »
I hate you. Your chart is so wrong that it's almost stupid.

Doesn't make any sense either

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Re: France or Prussia? Poll
« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2013, 08:21:17 pm »
I hate you. Your chart is so wrong that it's almost stupid.

 And what points have you made? You only really supported my claims that the Pickelhaube was really the only interesting piece of clothing in the German army. Saying that it's "wrong" doesn't help either.

 I'm just describing why I dislike Prussia. The history of the German States is long and involved, but to me, it's just not that interesting. The closest I could get to enjoying it was playing as the Holy Roman Empire in CK2. There were plenty of German poets and writers and philosophers that I appreciate, but that doesn't add much to the military history of Germany, its States, and everything in between.

I hate you.

 Your blunt aggressiveness makes me dislike you lots, too, pal.

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Re: France or Prussia? Poll
« Reply #34 on: June 10, 2013, 03:10:02 am »
Vive La France.

But Prussia and German History has a special place in my heart <3
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Re: France or Prussia? Poll
« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2013, 08:31:00 am »
- More successful in battles, but that honestly shouldn't count
Should be changed to crushed/alienated the enemy.

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Re: France or Prussia? Poll
« Reply #36 on: June 11, 2013, 03:02:49 pm »
Wow, I have only seen a poll this even when I uploaded a poll about "Tits or Ass"!

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Re: France or Prussia? Poll
« Reply #37 on: June 11, 2013, 04:49:21 pm »
Wow, I have only seen a poll this even when I uploaded a poll about "Tits or Ass"!

You dirty boy.

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Re: France or Prussia? Poll
« Reply #38 on: June 15, 2013, 10:00:30 pm »
- More successful in battles, but that honestly shouldn't count
Should be changed to crushed/alienated the enemy.

 If France had as strong generals as Prussia did, France would have probably won most, if not all of the battles. The French army was bigger and stronger. I'd even say French troops fought harder (believe it or not), but they had really poor organization. If one French line beat down a Prussian line, they most likely had little to do in the rest of the battle. A good general would have redirected inactive troops onto enemy flanks/supporting friendly lines.

 On a slightly related note, "French cowardliness" was only emphasized around this time, which I find ridiculous. If Napoleon III had found better leaders/if France had better schooling for them, the Second French Empire would have had significantly more success in the wars Napoleon III was tossing his country into willy-nilly.
 Don't forget, though... Napoleon Bonaparte abandoned his troops, what was it, three times? Assembled up armies, and bailed when things weren't going well. SFE soldiers were more ballsy than Napoleon! (...militia withstanding.)

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Re: France or Prussia? Poll
« Reply #39 on: June 15, 2013, 10:16:30 pm »
The Allied North German Confederation had over 1.2 million troops, whereas Napoleon III was able to muster a little over 900,000. So, in no way was the French army larger than the NGC army. On top of that, Napoleon III tried so hard to be like his uncle Napoleon I, that he even mimicked his army formations, marching formations, and battle formations. With the modernization to both armies, and the technology of the time, the guns used were far more accurate than the guns used during the time of Napoleon I. So, Napoleonic Era warfare was obsolete during this time, which is why most armies of the time evolved into using skirmish warfare. Let's do a battle calculation between NGC Regiment A and French Regiment B:

NGC Regiment A is fortified, in cover. French Regiment B marches towards the readied NGC Regiment A in a Napoleonic Battle Line. What happens? Since the NGC Regiment A is in a very loose formation, spread for 100's of meters, and the French Regiment B is marching at the common time towards them, French Regiment B will be utterly annihilated by 1000 Dreyse Rifle-equipped NGC soldiers, who can shoot one round every 5-10 seconds. First of all, the mental effect being dealt to the French is incomparable to anything else I can think of. One soldier in French Regiment B can watch 50+ plus of his comrades get mowed down within seconds. This is why the French casualties for the war were so massive. The French sustained more than 750,000 casualties in the Franco Prussian War, whereas the NGC received far less at a number around 118,000.

Now, with that said, can you see where "French Cowardliness" comes from? The French Generals were doing something sensible, which was retreating their soldiers who were getting slaughtered. It's actually sad. I can't even imagine the happiness of the French soldiers that got to return home from this bloodbath of a war.

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Re: France or Prussia? Poll
« Reply #40 on: June 15, 2013, 10:28:26 pm »
 As for the #'s, I just checked, and I read some statistics seriously wrong. My bad.

 The French cowardliness thing derives from what many'a'people talk about in TeamSpeak: France being significantly less impressive in battles after the Napoleonic Wars.

 Anyway, since I got those numbers mixed up, I guess I'll read up on FPW again. I've focused more on Middle/South Europe and Colonial history of SFE (Italy, Crimea, India, Indochina, Africa, etc.).

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Re: France or Prussia? Poll
« Reply #41 on: June 16, 2013, 12:42:39 pm »
The French cowardliness thing derives from what many'a'people talk about in TeamSpeak: France being significantly less impressive in battles after the Napoleonic Wars.

You have no idea how annoying it is when they say it.....


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Re: France or Prussia? Poll
« Reply #42 on: June 16, 2013, 06:33:06 pm »
The French cowardliness thing derives from what many'a'people talk about in TeamSpeak: France being significantly less impressive in battles after the Napoleonic Wars.

You have no idea how annoying it is when they say it.....

 Oh I do. It really irritates me.

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Re: France or Prussia? Poll
« Reply #43 on: June 17, 2013, 02:40:28 am »
Vive la France.
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Re: France or Prussia? Poll
« Reply #44 on: June 17, 2013, 11:14:36 pm »
For der kaiser Prussai :D Cause of the Piclehaube,Weapons,Music,Uniforms,And military tactic etc!