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Title: Rank Structure of the British Light Dragoons
Post by: Rhen on September 03, 2015, 10:39:24 pm

Rank structure of the British Light Dragoons during the set time-period

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Commissioned Officers          Colonel Lieutenant-Colonel Major Captain Lieutenant Cornet Non-Commissioned Officers          Staff Serjeant Serjeant Corporal Enlisted          Lance Corporal Private/Trooper Recruit

Title: Re: Rank Structure of the British Light Dragoons
Post by: Bravescot on September 04, 2015, 09:32:08 am

I've looked into it a wee bit and this is what I've turned up so far.

Trooper
Lance Corporal
Corporal
Serjeant
Staff Serjeant (Like Serjeant Major)

Cornet
Lieutenant
Captain
Major
Lieutenant Colonel
Colonel

Title: Re: Rank Structure of the British Light Dragoons
Post by: Rhen on September 04, 2015, 11:07:09 am

I could imagine this system, but,

I found something that said "Troopers" were called "Dragoons" because that is what they were,

Lance Corporal and Corporal, are they not the same as the later British light dragoon ranks during the Napoléonic Wars;
Lance Corporal of Horse, and Corporal of Horse, Staff Corporal of Horse? I think at least one of these is fictional,

And I also believe there were no Serjeants or Staff Serjeants. Not sure, though. :S

Title: Re: Rank Structure of the British Light Dragoons
Post by: Nick Lazanis on September 04, 2015, 12:35:39 pm

I'm pretty sure it's Corporal of horse or something.

Title: Re: Rank Structure of the British Light Dragoons
Post by: Numitor on September 04, 2015, 01:49:34 pm

Quote from: Nick Lazanis on September 04, 2015, 12:35:39 pm

I'm pretty sure it's Corporal of horse or something.

Only the Household Cavalry uses the Corporal of Horse rank. 'Line' cavalry regiments use the same ranks as the infantry.

Title: Re: Rank Structure of the British Light Dragoons
Post by: Bravescot on September 04, 2015, 02:05:22 pm

Quote from: Rhen on September 04, 2015, 11:07:09 am

I could imagine this system, but,

I found something that said "Troopers" were called "Dragoons" because that is what they were,

Lance Corporal and Corporal, are they not the same as the later British light dragoon ranks during the Napoléonic Wars;
Lance Corporal of Horse, and Corporal of Horse, Staff Corporal of Horse? I think at least one of these is fictional,

And I also believe there were no Serjeants or Staff Serjeants. Not sure, though. :S

As Numitor said Lance Corporal of Horse etc are used by the Household Calvary and are more modern then most people would think.

If a "Trooper" was called "Dragoon" then their is your lowest enlist rank.

Lance Corporal and Corporal were different. Serjeant and Staff Serjeant also both existed. Staff Serjeant had four chevrons and had two variants. Four Chevrons was troop level and four chevrons and a crown was squadron level. You wanted rank for this period. I'm sure I do not have to remind you that this is 1775-1783 we're talking about and not 1803-1815 where there had obviously been changes in the structure in the British Army.

Title: Re: Rank Structure of the British Light Dragoons
Post by: Rhen on September 04, 2015, 05:43:05 pm

Of course. I was just curious, and wondering about the real ones. So a discussion always helps - to get lots of facts from everywhere. I do know the difference between the time periods, but I'm not so good with the British rank structure; only the Prussian, Austrian and French ones.

Anyway, this would sort stuff out, so a big thanks to Numy and of course Bravescot!

Will edit the main post with the rank structure. :)

Title: Re: Rank Structure of the British Light Dragoons
Post by: hobbitcankill on September 04, 2015, 09:37:35 pm

Until 1961, lance corporal was only an appointment rather than a rank, given to privates who were acting NCOs, and could be taken away by the soldier's commanding officer (whereas a full corporal could only be demoted by court martial)[citation needed]. TheRoyal Engineers and Army Ordnance Corpsalso used the similar rank of second corporal, which was a substantive rank (also wearing one chevron), until 1920. Until 1920,bombardiers in the Royal Artillery were equivalent to second corporals and acting bombardiers were equivalent to lance corporals


Has any checked about Lance corporal  not being a rank?

Title: Re: Rank Structure of the British Light Dragoons
Post by: Rhen on September 04, 2015, 09:54:21 pm

You only refer to the engineer and artillery units in there. Don't see any infantry facts. But yah, LCpl was more an appointment than a rank, like BrgF. Feel free to find more proof for your statements and correct the current list, though. :)

Title: Re: Rank Structure of the British Light Dragoons
Post by: hobbitcankill on September 04, 2015, 09:59:41 pm

Quote from: Rhen on September 04, 2015, 09:54:21 pm

You only refer to the engineer and artillery units in there. Don't see any infantry facts. But yah, LCpl was more an appointment than a rank, like BrgF. Feel free to find more proof for your statements and correct the current list, though. :)

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Title: Re: Rank Structure of the British Light Dragoons
Post by: Rhen on September 04, 2015, 11:10:25 pm

I will stand with my words. x)

Title: Re: Rank Structure of the British Light Dragoons
Post by: hobbitcankill on September 04, 2015, 11:14:13 pm

Quote from: Rhen on September 04, 2015, 11:10:25 pm

I will stand with my words. x)

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Title: Re: Rank Structure of the British Light Dragoons
Post by: hobbitcankill on September 04, 2015, 11:18:08 pm

And I will edit my post about Lance corporal I just I was at dinsey land why doing that

Title: Re: Rank Structure of the British Light Dragoons
Post by: Earth Bby on September 07, 2015, 12:59:35 am

Hobbit keep it on topic.

Title: Re: Rank Structure of the British Light Dragoons
Post by: hobbitcankill on September 07, 2015, 02:40:30 am

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Title: Re: Rank Structure of the British Light Dragoons
Post by: hobbitcankill on September 07, 2015, 02:41:02 am

Hope that helps and dry marks

Title: Re: Rank Structure of the British Light Dragoons
Post by: Rhen on September 07, 2015, 12:47:19 pm

At least it is on topic  ::) :P

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