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Battle Cry of Freedom => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rejenorst on November 19, 2013, 02:05:34 pm
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Was wondering if anyone with a know-how of American accents could look at this list and tell me which accents would be ok for a Civil War setting? Or just write up their own with dos and donts?
Thank you!
http://dialectblog.com/northamerican-accents/
http://robertspage.com/dialects.html
I presume for example that a New Yorker accent would be out of place as an example...
EDIT: In regards to auditions:
In my experience of doing such stuff, just don't go too extreme and you should be fine. What is your regular accent if you don't mind me asking? Mine is a very light midlands accent (English) but voice versatility usually stamps that out :)
:edit: after reading the thread I now understand you are asking generally and not for yourself :p
walk-in voice actors? Hah! Home studio for the win! :3
It will be a mixed bag of voices and it will be tough going in terms of finding the appropriate voices.
There are a few resources at our disposal in terms of advertising on professional game voice acting web sites that feature voice actors from the Call Of Duty series to newspaper advertisements if needed.
This will be our recording program in terms of side by side options:
a) Two studios will likely be recording on a set day: One in the UK and one in either Canberra or Sydney sometime beginning of next year. I can also book another studio I am comfortable with in Canada for individual recordings as I've dealt with them before and they have been pretty good and reliable and can FTP upload me the recorded files. I would only do this if there are enough voice actors in the area.
b) Some voice actors will have their own semi-professional recording setups at their home (one voice actor I am dealing with is in this particular category)
c) Others I may attempt field recordings with (likely with a Yeti Pro and MD-421 microphone plugged into a DR-680 provided I can update my recording equipment in time (costs a pretty a penny (likely need 700 AUS dollars before I can upgrade effectively) and I am doing so independently of FSE as a contractor).
d) In some cases people will be/have been auditioning for parts. Those that we feel don't need any supervision we will book into studios in their area (I will likely skype call them and sort out the particulars of the actual acting and get them to make some notes to take with them and will give them the voice list spreadsheet). The studio we book will need to have an engineer on site and be able to transfer recordings to us (or the individual who is doing the voice acting). This is something we did with 2 of the NW voice actors previously. This will be a likely option for extremely good U.S. based voice actors where we would be happy to go the extra mile to get professional recordings.
In any case I thought I would mention this since anyone is free to audition. If you want to audition then PM me and I'll send you my email address. The auditions won't require any professional recording equipment and I don't mind if the samples clip but I would expect you to record yourself yelling and acting out the following (in a similar style to NW voices):
Ready, Aim, Fire, Shoulder arms. (try to sound commanding as your shouting over enemy fire to be heard by men 10-30 meters away from you)
Don't shoot (surrender scared sounding)
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watch gods and generals and Gettysburg if you want to know how accents sound in that time
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Nothing to crazy normal sounding people wouldnt hurt.
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watch gods and generals and Gettysburg if you want to know how accents sound in that time
+1
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Gods and generals, yes, Gettysburg, not so much.
Gods and generals seemed to spend quite a bit of time on the accents and getting them right.
Yes, Gettysburg does have some scenes in which the accents are right but gods and generals is just better in that way.
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I have seen Gods and Generals yes, I believe it will be difficult to get it that accurate as we will have walk in Voice actors hence I'll need to deal with the modern day accents. In some cases the actors may be able to get people to alter their accents accordingly but will have to see.
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It might be important to note that even if a ranker and an officer are from the same place they may have different accents. For example, East New England aristocrats have their own accent, (think J.F.K), different from the average man.
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Honestly for the southern faction just a simple Carolina drawl would be fine.
Here is a accent tag for a carolina drawl. Pretty much how everybody talked back then.
http://youtu.be/nZ7m7z6YXzo (http://youtu.be/nZ7m7z6YXzo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mXV0ZqXnj0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mXV0ZqXnj0)
A northern accent is pretty tough to nail because of how little they differentiate between eachother so it ends up being a mix. Something like a southern indiana accent could work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFRQ3jpTwY8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFRQ3jpTwY8)
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Honestly for the southern faction just a simple Carolina drawl would be fine.
Here is a accent tag for a carolina drawl. Pretty much how everybody talked back then.
http://youtu.be/nZ7m7z6YXzo (http://youtu.be/nZ7m7z6YXzo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mXV0ZqXnj0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mXV0ZqXnj0)
A northern accent is pretty tough to nail because of how little they differentiate between eachother so it ends up being a mix. Something like a southern indiana accent could work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFRQ3jpTwY8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFRQ3jpTwY8)
Being from North Carolina, I like the first link there. It's a little on the far side for me, but I still think it would be good. Second link isn't bad either.
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Honestly for the southern faction just a simple Carolina drawl would be fine.
Here is a accent tag for a carolina drawl. Pretty much how everybody talked back then.
http://youtu.be/nZ7m7z6YXzo (http://youtu.be/nZ7m7z6YXzo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mXV0ZqXnj0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mXV0ZqXnj0)
A northern accent is pretty tough to nail because of how little they differentiate between eachother so it ends up being a mix. Something like a southern indiana accent could work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFRQ3jpTwY8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFRQ3jpTwY8)
Being from North Carolina, I like the first link there. It's a little on the far side for me, but I still think it would be good. Second link isn't bad either.
Yeah, the first one is a bit strong, but then you have to remember that it is going to be different so it could sound a bit more dialed down.
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Ah cheers that is very helpful. What about for the North? What was the standard accent of the time that still exists today?
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Newkirk you and I know what NC people sound like...dey sound like dis rite hurr.
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Ah cheers that is very helpful. What about for the North? What was the standard accent of the time that still exists today?
Well, Northern accents vary, from Bostonian (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wBpSWxPo6o), New Yorker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwny52Ncatk), Philly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3lZFiyd_-0) and many others... really depends where they're from.
#Random Examples
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I think an upper-class so-called 'mid-Atlantic' Boston accent is probably the closest modern accent to what was common back then. Bearing in mind that your standard lower-class Boston and New York accents didn't exist.
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im living in north carolina to but im from italy so i leave it to your imgination to think of what i sound like muhaha
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im living in north carolina to but im from italy so i leave it to your imgination to think of what i sound like muhaha
(if I may ask) what part of NC?
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I know this may not be the post, but in character creation, you decide what state you want your battle scream comes from? Leaves less confusions? Just a suggestion
And if you deice to do this, get fans from these respective state to put on the heaviest inter-state accent they can put on.
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FSE may allow for voice selection in the character creation screen but I am unsure yet.
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I support this idea.
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Ah cheers that is very helpful. What about for the North? What was the standard accent of the time that still exists today?
Well, Northern accents vary, from Bostonian (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wBpSWxPo6o), New Yorker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwny52Ncatk), Philly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3lZFiyd_-0) and many others... really depends where they're from.
#Random Examples
Maybe a dialed down Philly, but Boston is a bit strong. Again I think a weak southern indiana accent would work.
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Ah cheers that is very helpful. What about for the North? What was the standard accent of the time that still exists today?
Well, Northern accents vary, from Bostonian (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wBpSWxPo6o), New Yorker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwny52Ncatk), Philly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3lZFiyd_-0) and many others... really depends where they're from.
#Random Examples
Maybe a dialed down Philly, but Boston is a bit strong. Again I think a weak southern indiana accent would work.
I was thinking Philly was good as well. New York and Bostonian accents are far too regional, and you wouldn't hear them anywhere outside of those selected areas, so they're not the best accents for representing the entire Union.
However, I have a question. Will each regiment get a different accent, or are they going to be the same across the faction? It would be interesting to hear a Brooklyn regiment with a brooklyn accent and a Texan regiment with a Texan accent, rather than just a generic northern and southern accent.
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Ah cheers that is very helpful. What about for the North? What was the standard accent of the time that still exists today?
Well, Northern accents vary, from Bostonian (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wBpSWxPo6o), New Yorker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwny52Ncatk), Philly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3lZFiyd_-0) and many others... really depends where they're from.
#Random Examples
Maybe a dialed down Philly, but Boston is a bit strong. Again I think a weak southern indiana accent would work.
I was thinking Philly was good as well. New York and Bostonian accents are far too regional, and you wouldn't hear them anywhere outside of those selected areas, so they're not the best accents for representing the entire Union.
However, I have a question. Will each regiment get a different accent, or are they going to be the same across the faction? It would be interesting to hear a Brooklyn regiment with a brooklyn accent and a Texan regiment with a Texan accent, rather than just a generic northern and southern accent.
That would be pretty cool. Dibs on Bronx lol.
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morrisville
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FSE may allow for voice selection in the character creation screen but I am unsure yet.
That would be absolutely badass. That feature was quite fun in Uncharted 3.
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Ser a 2 reasons I vont to hev sis nais dshermen accent:
1.: I'm German. :D
2.: The biggest group of foreign soldiers were Germans. 1860 there lived 1.3 millions of in Germany born people in the USA. 50% of them were willing to fight in the war which was the biggest percentaged amount from all ethnic groups.
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Ser a 2 reasons I vont to hev sis nais dshermen accent:
1.: I'm German. :D
2.: The biggest group of foreign soldiers were Germans. 1860 there lived 1.3 millions of in Germany born people in the USA. 50% of them were willing to fight in the war which was the biggest percentaged amount from all ethnic groups.
Thats a pretty good point, it would be pretty cool to have a German regiment in there if there was actually one. I'm to lazy to do my research right now.
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I would have thought it would have been the Irish, but that works too!
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In the 11th corps of the union army, the main language was german. Whole regiments and brigades spoke german for the official orders. So the language was pretty important!
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Ser a 2 reasons I vont to hev sis nais dshermen accent:
1.: I'm German. :D
2.: The biggest group of foreign soldiers were Germans. 1860 there lived 1.3 millions of in Germany born people in the USA. 50% of them were willing to fight in the war which was the biggest percentaged amount from all ethnic groups.
One of my ancestors moved from Prussia to the United States and fought there as well. I don't know much about him but apparently he first served in the Prussian army and then in the Union army. He served as a colonel in the 103rd New York Volunteer Infantry, 1861/62, he was later wounded in the war and was given a commission as brigadier general. He later returned to Germany in 1878 where he later died, possibly or in part due to the wound he had sustained during the war flaring up to cause infection.
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what was his name ?
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what was his name ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_W._von_Egloffstein
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Ser a 2 reasons I vont to hev sis nais dshermen accent:
1.: I'm German. :D
2.: The biggest group of foreign soldiers were Germans. 1860 there lived 1.3 millions of in Germany born people in the USA. 50% of them were willing to fight in the war which was the biggest percentaged amount from all ethnic groups.
Du ez Germon, butz du kon not eben faik ein faik Germon akzent... Es ist sehr schlect, ja... schlect.
German needs to be in this game, for sure. Get a good voice actor for a German-American English accent. WOuld be awesome to hear, and I would like, totes... like, seriously use it.
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There were also Dutch people... Pls no forget us.
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The Dutch definitely had presence in the war, but nowhere near the Germans and the Irish. There were regiments made up entirely of Germans and Irish... The Italians, Spanish, and Swedish I'd say are just slightly above the Dutch.
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Irish were in the war also. And Italians. And Polish. Hell there were even some North Africans fighting on both sides (As Zouaves too!).
The US Army was diverse to the point of insanity.
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I am not suprised why there weren't much Dutch there, useless shit war after all...
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I am not suprised why there weren't much Dutch there, useless shit war after all...
It's time to stop posting.
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I am not suprised why there weren't much Dutch there, useless shit war after all...
It's time to stop posting.
Why would you fight volunteerly to die which is not your cause...
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I am not suprised why there weren't much Dutch there, useless shit war after all...
It's time to stop posting.
Why would you fight voluntarily to die which is not your cause...
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Spoiler
It's time to stop posting.
2. Then why were there irish there, and germans, and swedes, and a whole shite more?
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I expect that there will be a Canadian accent option.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsgVspgy184&app=desktop
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The immigrants fought willingly for their new home, America. Unfortunately, the split in the nation caused Irish to fight against Irish, German to fight against German, etc., etc. It's a shame, really.
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One thing I would note is that Northern and Southern accents actually weren't that different before the war - it was following the Civil War that the southern accent began to develop its own identity, due to the tense relationship between the North and the South.
I know this might sound kinda silly, but if you do have a german accent could you have the immortal phrase: "gott shutze den Kaiser!" Yeah, I know it doesn't really have any real meaning in the Civil War but it would be a nice homage to the mod (and it would be funny to someone who isn't too fluent in German :P)
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"Gott mit Uns!" was the official battle cry of the 8th New York Volunteers. The regiment was entirely German, including the superior command staff.
8th New York Volunteer Infantry Regiment, "The German Rifles" They were the first designated "German Rifles." The 28th New York was the "Second German Rifles," and the 45th New York was the "Fifth German Rifles/Rangers." The 52nd New York was the "Third German Rifles." Idk where the 4th was, probabl a non-New York regiment.
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"Gott mit Uns!" was the official battle cry of the 8th New York Volunteers. The regiment was entirely German, including the superior command staff.
8th New York Volunteer Infantry Regiment, "The German Rifles" They were the first designated "German Rifles." The 28th New York was the "Second German Rifles," and the 45th New York was the "Fifth German Rifles/Rangers." The 52nd New York was the "Third German Rifles." Idk where the 4th was, probabl a non-New York regiment.
The 52nd were the Sigel Riflez.
The 68th were the 2nd Germa Rifles
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There's a poem written by a Dutch-American during the war. I forgot how it went, but it ended with 'Op voor het Tweede Vaderland!', which means as much as 'Up for the Second Fatherland!'
Dutch immigrants saw, like many Germans and other immigrants, the USA as their new fatherland and wanted to fight for it. Them there are the obvious boredom/adventure reasons.
That being said, the Dutch contribution was small, alltrough we don't know the exact number. There certainly were thousands of soldiers with Dutch blood, but there's always the question when exactly someone stops being a Dutchman and becomes an American. Dutch immigration was centered around west-Michigan, by the way.
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Yeah, the Dutch, as I said, had presence in the war, some coming from Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin (There were Dutchmen in the 2nd Wisconsin, the famous Iron Brigade regiment). The Irish and German undoubtedly played the biggest part in the immigrant soldiers. There were entire Irish and German communities in the New England area, and they still exist today. Whole regiments of Irishmen and Germans were formed, as I said. It's funny, because now the largest Dutch communities in the US are in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Utah. :P Even so, they're hardly "Dutch" anymore.
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The 25th Michigan had a full company out of 1st-generation Dutch immigrants, the 'Holland Rangers'. Not named after Holland the province, but after Holland, the cite in west-Michigan they came from. The city itself had been created in '54 when all the soldiers-to-be were small kids :P
I think one of the reasons the Dutch went unnoticed is that to the average American, Dutch=German. There was a corps (the 12th?) made fully out of Germans, nicknamed...The flying Dutchmen... :-\
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Well, to be fair the Dutch are Germanic and the word 'Dutch' could simply mean 'German' into the 20th century.
Johannes Wagner was also dubbed 'The Flying Dutchman' despite being obviously German.
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I would understand the use for German and Irish accents since Irish and German soldiers played such a big role in the war, but getting accents for all minorities that helped support the war would be difficult to say the least. Quality over quantity.
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In my experience of doing such stuff, just don't go too extreme and you should be fine. What is your regular accent if you don't mind me asking? Mine is a very light midlands accent (English) but voice versatility usually stamps that out :)
:edit: after reading the thread I now understand you are asking generally and not for yourself :p
walk-in voice actors? Hah! Home studio for the win! :3
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Can we agree that there should be a zombie voice pack like in Saints Row 3?
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In my experience of doing such stuff, just don't go too extreme and you should be fine. What is your regular accent if you don't mind me asking? Mine is a very light midlands accent (English) but voice versatility usually stamps that out :)
:edit: after reading the thread I now understand you are asking generally and not for yourself :p
walk-in voice actors? Hah! Home studio for the win! :3
It will be a mixed bag of voices and it will be tough going in terms of finding the appropriate voices.
There are a few resources at our disposal in terms of advertising on professional game voice acting web sites that feature voice actors from the Call Of Duty series to newspaper advertisements if needed.
This will be our recording program in terms of side by side options:
a) Two studios will likely be recording on a set day: One in the UK and one in either Canberra or Sydney sometime beginning of next year. I can also book another studio I am comfortable with in Canada for individual recordings as I've dealt with them before and they have been pretty good and reliable and can FTP upload me the recorded files. I would only do this if there are enough voice actors in the area.
b) Some voice actors will have their own semi-professional recording setups at their home (one voice actor I am dealing with is in this particular category)
c) Others I may attempt field recordings with (likely with a Yeti Pro and MD-421 microphone plugged into a DR-680 provided I can update my recording equipment in time (costs a pretty a penny (likely need 700 AUS dollars before I can upgrade effectively) and I am doing so independently of FSE as a contractor).
d) In some cases people will be/have been auditioning for parts. Those that we feel don't need any supervision we will book into studios in their area (I will likely skype call them and sort out the particulars of the actual acting and get them to make some notes to take with them and will give them the voice list spreadsheet). The studio we book will need to have an engineer on site and be able to transfer recordings to us (or the individual who is doing the voice acting). This is something we did with 2 of the NW voice actors previously. This will be a likely option for extremely good U.S. based voice actors where we would be happy to go the extra mile to get professional recordings.
In any case I thought I would mention this since anyone is free to audition. If you want to audition then PM me and I'll send you my email address. The auditions won't require any professional recording equipment and I don't mind if the samples clip but I would expect you to record yourself yelling and acting out the following (in a similar style to NW voices):
Ready, Aim, Fire, Shoulder arms. (try to sound commanding as your shouting over enemy fire to be heard by men 10-30 meters away from you)
Don't shoot (surrender scared sounding)
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Can we agree that there should be a zombie voice pack like in Saints Row 3?
I find this an amusing idea but I think there would be to many annoying kids/trolls using it to troll people.
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I was Reading the memoirs by Sam Watkins titles "Company Aytch". He was in Co,h of the 1st Tenesse and he was detailed to sneak into the Union Camp in a Union uniform and gain intel. When he approached his first picket he asked what unit it was but all he heard was a bunch of words he didnt understand. He repeated the question enough to figure out that the whole picket were Dutchman that didnt speak any English xD
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Where and when did this happen?
I wonder how he managed to understand they were Dutch and didn't assume they were German. Still, rather interesting. And important for possible re-enactment :P
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Where and when did this happen?
I wonder how he managed to understand they were Dutch and didn't assume they were German. Still, rather interesting. And important for possible re-enactment :P
Maybe he was properly educated? Not exactly uncommon for a man of higher rank...
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Where exactly is stated he was of higher rank?
Besides, Dutch wasn't really a language that anyone in the USA bothered to learn, besides the Dutch. I know the importance (or lack thereof) of my country in the 1860s. French and German, that was the shit. Russian, even. Not Dutch.
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Sam Watkins was a Private for the 4 years of the war. Im not sure how he was able to identify the difference. He was pretty educated to write a whole memoir as well as he quoted many facts and examples from the Napoleonic Wars.
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Sam Watkins was a Private for the 4 years of the war. Im not sure how he was able to identify the difference. He was pretty educated to write a whole memoir as well as he quoted many facts and examples from the Napoleonic Wars.
Scholared family?
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Sam Watkins was a Private for the 4 years of the war. Im not sure how he was able to identify the difference. He was pretty educated to write a whole memoir as well as he quoted many facts and examples from the Napoleonic Wars.
Eastern or Western theater? And doesn't it say when exactly, even a year or a month, this happened?
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I would need to look in the book again to find the date but I believe it was in Tennessee in 1863
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It might as well have been the 25th Michigan. They were mustered in late '62 and were present in the Army of the Tennessee.
Thanks, really. This could be pretty major for any possible ACW re-enactment here :P
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Minnesotan/Midwestern accent. Dontchano.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-XEHwUBubk[/youtube]
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hmm there where some soldiers in the in both army's that where schooled and just enlist as rankers and never went after ranks
P.s after German and Irish , Italians was the third largest group in the unions army's as i had 5 family memebers that fought with the 51st new York regiment 3 of them being killed and 1 of them losing a arm tough luck eh