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Competitive EU Events/Tournaments / Re: Cavalry 2v2 Tournament

« on: January 17, 2021, 12:30:47 am »

Name: DragonKing
Steam link: https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198403441359/
Referee Experience: a few tournaments

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The Mess Hall / Re: On Piktonss: The Trial of a Traitor, collected works.

« on: January 07, 2021, 09:54:57 pm »

There are still people who spend more time looking at what others are doing and finding evidence to incriminate them for cheating when they should be concentrating on themselves instead:p (on a module with up to 1000 players)

Anyway, I don't know you, but frankly I didn't find you very funny. This is only my humble opinion :p

you probably have a real reason, but try to ban suspicious people because they are good, I think it's not very fair and if they are real cheaters, put anti-cheating software

This is a joke/meme....

Honestly, I'm reassured that it's a joke. In this case it just wasn't funny

Once again, I don't know you and I probably misinterpreted the thing (the worry of a private joke posted on a public forum will you tell me ahah )

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The Mess Hall / Re: On Piktonss: The Trial of a Traitor, collected works.

« on: January 07, 2021, 06:24:19 pm »

There are still people who spend more time looking at what others are doing and finding evidence to incriminate them for cheating when they should be concentrating on themselves instead:p (on a module with up to 1000 players)

Anyway, I don't know you, but frankly I didn't find you very funny. This is only my humble opinion :p

you probably have a real reason, but try to ban suspicious people because they are good, I think it's not very fair and if they are real cheaters, put anti-cheating software

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Competitive EU Events/Tournaments / Re: The Fighting Pit - 5v5 Tournament

« on: December 29, 2020, 06:54:50 pm »

Hi Gibby, glad to be able to discuss such serious things with you since it seems to me that you were in the category of people disappointed by the game and therefore chose to stay on Warband. Not an offence, just a statement of fact and many players have done the same.

I would very much like to be able to continue this discussion on Steam or teamspeak or discord because I think that our debate does not really have a place on this thread. I will nevertheless answer here to these figures, true for some but false for others and often misunderstood or in any case, the interpretation that you make of them is not right

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For BannerLord, I propose that we look at the number of simultaneous connections on both games. 3,000 on Warband versus 15,000 on BannerLord. The revolution is here and time will prove me right: when Taleword closes the servers on Warband, you'll have to face the facts
Honestly, on this spade, I want to add that the game has really improved and the rider duels on this game are just so much better than on Warband. Honestly, this game is great:and it will continue to improve thanks to the active game community that is working with the developers to provide a better experience for players

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I am going to engage with this solely to give some actual data, some of which is directly from TW, to demonstrate not only that Warband has a higher percentage of MP players per population than Bannerlord, but that it actually has a higher total of MP players than it as well.

First, you give Warband 3,000. At this very moment Warband has 6,671 players, more than double your insanely low estimate.
Second, you are accurate that Bannerlord has ~15,000, as at this moment it has 15,891.

Your insane bias and misrepresentation aside, these raw figures prove nothing in the way of total MP population for several reasons. Perhaps most importantly, many Warband players use a non-steam version, so the actual number is higher than Steam shows. On Native alone, right now, there are 610 players in MP and two of the top servers, which cannot be counted in the aggregate as they are from other modules (nice browser TW), have ~100 players. I can see several others on the list with 20-50, so I'm going to be conservative and say that we add those two 100 servers to the 610, plus 4 more with 50, and we get to 1000 players in MP.

Warband has 6,671 players in total and ~1000 in MP. That's exactly 15% of the total population.

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Let's start with the figures I gave. They are changing and it goes without saying that the figures do not remain the same from one day to the next. Nevertheless, for a game that is in Early Access and has only one module against a game that has been installed for a long time with many mods and modules, excuse me for telling you but the domination of BannerLord is unquestionable and the fact that there are at least 2 times more players and at most 11 times more is huge. Moreover, you will notice that BannerLord has a stable base while for Warband, it varies according to the competitions and with always the same players. So to say that Warband is more popular than BannerLord is wrong.

For Bannerlord things are a little more complicated because we do not have numbers for the matchmaking, only the barren server browser which gives us a total of 176 players. As said, we can only speculate on the numbers in matchmaking, but I think if we are being generous we can theorise there are at least the same number in matchmaking as in the server browser, so if we multiply our 176 by two, we get 352 players.

these figures are wrong. Let's take an example and count the number of teams present at the BEAST tournament on BannerLord. There are 36 separate teams in 4 divisions, each with between 10 (minimum) and 18 players. This makes a total of at least 360 and at most 648 players. The average is in the 504 players active in skirmish competitions and this does not include the North Americans or players who do not compete but rather do events on the seats or in captain's mode.

However, don't think that I am only using speculation, as we do have cold hard numbers which Callum (TW Community Manager) gave to me upon release of Early Access, which was 6,000 in MP out of a 250,000 total. This is a MASSIVE 2.4% of the total population, six times lower than what Warband has.

The percentage here is meaningless since it is known that it is the singleplayer of BannerLord who advertised as for Warband before. Except that nowadays, nobody plays the Warband solo anymore but instead they play the BannerLord solo. The percentage of multiplayer players compared to the total number of players will therefore logically be higher on Warband than on BannerLord, which has many more people. Nine3, (TW Dev) can confirm aswell

Now, obviously the 250,000 Bannerlord had on release did not last, as we can see it has been reduced to 6% of the number with a mere 15,000, so we cannot use the 6,000 MP figure either. However, what we can use is the 2.4% figure which we got from using the figures provided by TaleWorlds. If we apply this to the 15,000 total players in Bannerlord we get 360 players, little more than 1/3 of the total players in Warband's MP.

So, for Bannerlord's MP, using my speculation we reach 352 players and using the data from TaleWorlds we get 360 players. With this in mind, I think it's fair to say that Bannerlord sits comfortably between 350 and 400 players in its MP.

So, here are the actual accurate final numbers for you DragonKing.

If there were only 300 players, I think we could talk about a real disaster, but as I said before, it's not the case. The number of players on BannerLord is very high. on the skirmish mod alone and in a European-only competition with only one game mode, we reach a approximatly more than 500 active players. i doubt that even on the Napoleonic Wars community (I can't talk about the native) reaches such a number.

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Warband total: 6,671
Warband MP: ~1000
Warband MP as a percentage of whole: 15%

Bannerlord total: 15,891
Bannerlord MP: 350-400
Bannerlord MP as a percentage of whole: 2.35%

Categorically, you are wrong to claim that Bannerlord has a more popular MP than Warband.

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so once again, I take the liberty of correcting your error by saying that there are more players on BannerLord than you assume. obviously the vast majority play solo. Everybody started that way on Warband and more and more players are going to occupy the multiplayer. This number will increase while yours will certainly decrease unfortunatly for Warband

I don't bother to check for the 1000 multiplayer players but once again it's on all the modules and I really doubt that you'll be able to bring them together on a single mod

I purposely kept that part of DK's bullshitery away in the former drama but I will add to what Gibby said that you can check the team rosters of the BEAST tournaments (which are now at their third edition) and you will see a pattern where almost none of the most active and arguably best players of the different competitive multiplayer modules throughout the last 6-7 years (NW, Native & even Mercenaries) can be spotted. Some went back to inactivity, some stayed on WB but only a slim percentage (below 1% I'd argue) actually kept hopes when it comes to BL multiplayer (in a competitive aspect).

That doesn't mean that BL doesn't have a competitive scene, but clearly, by delivering a clumsy and completely unfinished product, failing to listen to the people who actually knew what they were talking about (Gibby here can tell you a lot about it) and generally failing at understanding why their game had such a lasting highly competitive community throughout all these years, TW killed any potential for a strong, active and highly competitive multiplayer scene on BL.

That's not the point of the thread but let it be a lesson for people who actually don't mind straight-up lying to you to fuel their false narrative. You want to go play BL, tryhard and try to make the multiplayer scene at least as good as what warband was, go for it, nobody ain't stopping you. But trying to threaten players who still very much care about warband in telling them that they will be forced to play BL once TW close the servers is a disgusting approach that is bound to fail. If TW actually does that at some point, that won't make these players switch to BL.

Rant over, sorry about the off-topic.

Tardet, I don't agree with you and yet I'm not saying you're a piece of shit or that you say shit. I thought you were more courteous, but obviously not with everyone. The fact that you say that there is no dialogue between players and developers is once again untrue. Indeed, BannerLord favours singleplayer. Nevertheless, as I said on my previous posts, a dialogue has been made between developers and players from mutli. We sometimes play and test the game and the different patches together in order to give a feedback and that's the goal of an early access .

no need to criticize a newborn being born because he doesn't speak but if you help him to develop then he can become a Molière. It's an Ealry Acces forget the 8 years we had to wait and tell you that in a few months the game will be over. Do you want to help the game or just criticize it because it is not exactly as the Warband players expected it to be, i.e. a copy of Warband with best graphics

I think Tardet that you know the Warband community very well and certainly better than I do. But that doesn't mean that you know the BannerLord community. Your first impressions were right for a while but are not anymore. I strongly advise you to inform yourself instead of spitting on a game you'll have to go to since it's the sequel to Warband... Or maybe you'd rather die on Warband, it's up to you to see you're old enough for that

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Competitive EU Events/Tournaments / Re: The Fighting Pit - 5v5 Tournament

« on: December 28, 2020, 11:45:06 pm »

All right, thank you for giving me the opportunity to express myself. I wish you a good tournament and a lot of fun

See you soon on BannerLord or in a tournament with cuirassiers

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Competitive EU Events/Tournaments / Re: The Fighting Pit - 5v5 Tournament

« on: December 28, 2020, 11:40:17 pm »

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As a Cuirassier I don' feel offended in any way and I wish you good luck in hosting such an interesting tournament.
Great job Tardet and Skittles, It would be a pleasure to take part in this event.


I also wonder why is it taking so long for DK to finally leave Warband. I'm look forward to the day when I wake up and not have to look at the this insolent lady.

I couldn't wait to be asked! Very simply for 3 things:
1) the next tournaments ban cuirassiers teams which discourages me. I will be able to set up tournaments but it takes too much time and increases the stress.
2) I feel like I've earned everything I had to earn (1v1, 3v3, 5vs5, Nations cup, LB championship). and I've spent so many evenings playing more than 3 hours against toxic teams that I say stop. As DE14HANNES said, when we play we need to have fun. I saw, I came, I won and now they don't want me anymore so I'm going to the future Nevertheless, I like the game and come back for an evening to have a little fun and distraction, I say yes
3) I am very tired of always hearing players complaining about the cuirassiers. A lot of people who hate me for not too many reasons, often simply because I'm a cuirassier and because I argue in favour of my class. It has become a generality. After the lancers, it's the cuirassiers' turn to be ejected. and it disgusts me. I chose the cavalry for its diversity and this is what it becomes but this is the fate of any community, you will tell me and I will answer: maybe

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I respond to the fact with facts. You flee from cuirassiers matches because you are not having fun. I do the same because I'm not having fun anymore in fact, we follow the same reasoning. If that's a victim's reasoning according to you, then you're a victim too

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Competitive EU Events/Tournaments / Re: The Fighting Pit - 5v5 Tournament

« on: December 28, 2020, 11:36:54 pm »

You do understand DK that there is literally nothing preventing you from hosting a 5v5 tournament with heavies, on any given weekend. Feels like it would be a better time invested than endlessly arguing on this thread about something which is not going to change, no matter how 'saddening' it is.

Just because one tournament forbid all classes but one doesn't mean it has to become the norm in every other tournament. A the end of the day, you are the maker of your own destiny, and I'm convinced a 5v5 tournament with heavies and hussars both included would meet an equal (if not bigger) success as this one.

I admit it's not the first and last and if I have to organize a tournament just to participate, it's pretty demoralizing. Again, I really wish I could have played this tournament. I don't have the time to organize or even the desire anymore but obviously, I wish you all the best.

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Competitive EU Events/Tournaments / Re: The Fighting Pit - 5v5 Tournament

« on: December 28, 2020, 11:34:19 pm »

I also wonder why is DK leaving Warband?

I couldn't wait to be asked! Very simply for 3 things:
1) the next tournaments ban cuirassiers teams which discourages me. I will be able to set up tournaments but it takes too much time and increases the stress.
2) I feel like I've earned everything I had to earn (1v1, 3v3, 5vs5, Nations cup, LB championship). and I've spent so many evenings playing more than 3 hours against toxic teams that I say stop. As DE14HANNES said, when we play we need to have fun. I saw, I came, I won and now they don't want me anymore so I'm going to the future Nevertheless, I like the game and come back for an evening to have a little fun and distraction, I say yes
3) I am very tired of always hearing players complaining about the cuirassiers. A lot of people who hate me for not too many reasons, often simply because I'm a cuirassier and because I argue in favour of my class. It has become a generality. After the lancers, it's the cuirassiers' turn to be ejected. and it disgusts me. I chose the cavalry for its diversity and this is what it becomes but this is the fate of any community, you will tell me and I will answer: maybe

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Competitive EU Events/Tournaments / Re: The Fighting Pit - 5v5 Tournament

« on: December 28, 2020, 11:25:09 pm »

The rule is god like. Im rly happy like many other players, now its just about skill and not the class or the tiny map. DK you dont have to talk about LOL on this thread, this is completly different. There is no other way to make this 100% fair to all players. I mean i dont play against heavy teams. If this rule werent there, i would simply not come to these matches.

Once again (and sorry Tardet if I pollute your thread), I suggest you read what I wrote again. I used LOL but I could have talked about any other competitive game like OverWatch for example. The fact is whether you come or not you would lose because you can't adapt to cuirassiers gameplay. You are a really good player when it comes to hussars but only good against cuirassiers. and I don't want to offend you by saying this, I'm just giving the facts and my feelings (because, I am convinced that you would destroy me 10-0 if I made a hussar duel against you)

ye thats true, im not that good against heavys because i need the factor fun for playing good. I wouldnt rly care if i would get a lost to this, i didnt showed up Ger vs Pol because of that. if there is no fun in it, then its just feels like work.

we totally agree that we need to have fun when we play. Thank you for your honesty. Besides, I think you can have a lot of fun playing against another class. Personally, I've had a lot of fun. as well for hussars in Tier 1 of the Ciiges list who explain to me that they had fun playing against this class. because it allowed for a variety of tactics. Again, I understand that some people may not like it. However, to prevent those who do like it from playing is a bit sad. Especially since we're not talking about bringing a dozen teams of cuirassiers, but just a few who would like to put their title back in play

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Competitive EU Events/Tournaments / Re: The Fighting Pit - 5v5 Tournament

« on: December 28, 2020, 11:11:54 pm »

The rule is god like. Im rly happy like many other players, now its just about skill and not the class or the tiny map. DK you dont have to talk about LOL on this thread, this is completly different. There is no other way to make this 100% fair to all players. I mean i dont play against heavy teams. If this rule werent there, i would simply not come to these matches.

Once again (and sorry Tardet if I pollute your thread), I suggest you read what I wrote again. I used LOL but I could have talked about any other competitive game like OverWatch for example. The fact is whether you come or not you would lose because you can't adapt to cuirassiers gameplay. You are a really good player when it comes to hussars but only good against cuirassiers. and I don't want to offend you by saying this, I'm just giving the facts and my feelings (because, I am convinced that you would destroy me 10-0 if I made a hussar duel against you whereas if I played cuirassier, the result would be different)

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Competitive EU Events/Tournaments / Re: The Fighting Pit - 5v5 Tournament

« on: December 28, 2020, 10:56:50 pm »

Edit: not really in the cav comunity, 5vs5 tournaments have traditionally lasted for several weeks. you have this one, but also the 5vs5 league of the Nr4&2lr. in fact, over 3 years, the 5vs5 always lasted several weeks. It changed with the 3v3 format, duel format and your tournament aswell

I am playing since 2012 so when I say traditionally it means 'since cavalry tournament existed'. Here are examples of tournaments that happened from 2013 to 2014, that were 5v5s and lasted over one night:

https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=2494.0
https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=6132.0
https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=8185.0
https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=9692.0
https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=11247.0
https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=12158.0
https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=23528.0

I have looked over a bit and it does appear indeed that 5v5 has become the trend in the late years of NW (with very of them hosted from 2015 to 2017) so it wasn't only the 2Lr/Nr4's one but traditionally speaking, they have been on one night.

I do not question this fact. Nevertheless, if in 2017 the format has changed, it is for a good reason. It lasted more than 3 years because indeed the rider matches are longer. So you are wrong when you say that it is a tradition but changing traditions can also be a good thing. Afterwards, as Dokletian says, it can also work very well with duels and 3v3 format. You just have to see how it goes. It all depends on the time of the matches and the organization

Personally, I agree with Dokletian on this point, a quick tournament is better than one that lasts a whole month because the hype disappears expect for the favorits team. Still, the tournament should not last too long on one day to keep the spirit and concentration fresh. Besides, if everyone could participate with their own weapon, it would be even better

it is also true, and octanidas does well to point it out, that many players will not be able to stay a whole night especially if they work the next day

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Competitive EU Events/Tournaments / Re: The Fighting Pit - 5v5 Tournament

« on: December 28, 2020, 10:50:07 pm »

I can only remember the 5vs5 Tournament of DragonKing early this year which was played weekly and in my opinion a lot of fun. I only played one Tournament which was played on one evening and it felt exhausting. The funny thing is that the most interesting Matches had the weakest effort because of the time. I understand that it is usual in this Community to host such Events but i still don't understand why.

So again the question, how many hours is it supposed to last? I personally have neither the time nor the motivation to play three, four or even more hours at once.

I greatly appreciated to organized the tournament but also the matches. Especially this glorious and epic final. Glad you liked it too

Huehue Thyrell and myself created that idea in the last Fantasy League which said that 5 hussars and 1 cuirassier is needed on your roster and ingame

It was a very good idea and a tournament that I really enjoyed

Hussars: Try to play a fun, friendly, fast paced tournament

Cuirassiers:

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well yeah, I also want to kill people on a video game and try to win one more medal

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Competitive EU Events/Tournaments / Re: The Fighting Pit - 5v5 Tournament

« on: December 28, 2020, 09:56:41 pm »

I am not gonna repeat things I just said in the post above, I'm happy enough you got the chance to formulate a proper response (which if anything, shows how much your English has been improving in so little time) but I will leave it personally at that. No point explaining I disagree with some of your points just for the sake it as it won't bring anything valuable to the discussion.

Just for the record, however, when I was talking about a heavy competition, I was more thinking about a one-night tournament with teams (just like this one) rather than something last over weeks/months with regiments, for the exact reasons you mentioned. I remember that when we played to train vs you & the CI during the CL, we had internal battles in the 4e where half of us would go as heavies. On the heavy side these fights proved enjoyable/amusing for the little time we did them and that's why I assume some hussars wouldn't mind making for a change and play competition as heavies versus other heavies from time to time. I at least know I would.

Thank you especially for letting me express myself. It's a pity that we don't have the opportunity to continue our exchanges and that you prefer to point the finger at my English. I could give you the name of my teacher but that is not the point because you already have a good command of the language. Again, it is very sad that you cannot understand a part of the cavalry community. Well, especially for me because I won't be able to take part in this competition. In any case, I only have to wait for the edition of cuirassiers and if you need help creating it, call me. Finally, there must still be active cuirassiers until then because, as I said before, the last cuirassiers will not stay if nothing is offered to them

Because groupfighting tournaments have traditionally always been on one evening (thinking about PrideofNi's tournaments for instance). The 5v5 hosted by the 2Lr was an exception in that regards (as far as I know at least) and although perfectly run, it asked a lot more commitment from teams & admins.

Edit: not really in the cav comunity, 5vs5 tournaments have traditionally lasted for several weeks. you have this one, but also the 5vs5 league of the Nr4&2lr. in fact, over 3 years, the 5vs5 always lasted several weeks. It changed with the 3v3 format, duel format and your tournament aswell

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Competitive EU Events/Tournaments / Re: The Fighting Pit - 5v5 Tournament

« on: December 28, 2020, 09:37:14 pm »

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- Hussar is the only class allowed.

so I'm going to ask the drama question: "why?"

It's just surprising then that the cuirassiers teams won the last editions in 5vs5 format to put them aside like this. So very experienced players in this class will not be able to play it. Very unfortunate

If the idea is simply to play with just one class, then I suppose the community will shrink even further for what's left of it

Good luck for the rest of your tournament. I sincerely wish you a very good tournament while I'm going back to BannerLord

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I think that is because most likely every regiment in the fantasy league will be hussars. It's simply the most popular class. And sticking to one class makes the tournament more fair as everyone have the same conditions.

 I understand you point of view Lindbom and It is true that there are no really competitive cuirassiers regiments left compared to the overwhelming majority of hussar regiments. Nevertheless, it seems to me that what differentiates the very good player from the good player is his ability to adapt to his opponents. I think that there are still undefeated teams of cuirassiers and that some players dream of being able to face them again and finally defeat them after a lot of effort. Instead of forgetting HeavyCav teams under the pretext that they don't play in the same class, I propose to confront them. They are few in number but still present

Think about the time aswell. Its hosted on one night.

ah indeed, it's true that the matches between hussars and cuirassiers are long and maybe a time limit could have limited this problem? and then the matches in 5vs5 are not as long as the big matches between two big regiments of more than twenty players. Let's be honest, I don't remember, as far as I can remember, a match that was rather short in 5vs5 format

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- Hussar is the only class allowed.

so I'm going to ask the drama question: "why?"

It's just surprising then that the cuirassiers teams won the last editions in 5vs5 format to put them aside like this. So very experienced players in this class will not be able to play it. Very unfortunate

If the idea is simply to play with just one class, then I suppose the community will shrink even further for what's left of it

Good luck for the rest of your tournament. I sincerely wish you a very good tournament while I'm going back to BannerLord

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I mean all guys are having now the same cards to play with, not bad imo

but that was the case before. Playing with its advantages to the point of abusing them to win.Different advantages, of course, but as in E-sport games like LOL for example, a hero/class can dominate at one moment and be dominated at another. It all depends on how you use your advantages and many other factors

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- Hussar is the only class allowed.

so I'm going to ask the drama question: "why?"

It's just surprising then that the cuirassiers teams won the last editions in 5vs5 format to put them aside like this. So very experienced players in this class will not be able to play it. Very unfortunate

If the idea is simply to play with just one class, then I suppose the community will shrink even further for what's left of it

Good luck for the rest of your tournament. I sincerely wish you a very good tournament while I'm going back to BannerLord

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Also lowers the amount of toxicity a very small bit since heavies are prime targets for (fully deserved) abuse and insults.

It is true that some members of the hussar community (a minority, not all) are extremely toxic towards the cuirassier community, even going so far as to create unnecessary drama against them. I would say (at face value) that 5% of these players are the source of more than 95% of the insults in this regard. Maybe, if we want to fight against toxicity, fight against this type of players rather than the class in question

As far as I discussed it with Skittles (can't be 100% certain since nothing has been announced yet) the Fantasy League will be Hussars only, as it's easier to rate players (give them a prize in that case) based on one class rather than on two.
As this tournament's main goal is to serve as a seeding base for the Fantasy League, it makes sense to use the rules which are likely to be put in place once the event arises, to guarantee fairness and equal conditions to every participant.

I'm not gonna hide it though, except if I am to host a big league like the CL, I probably won't allow more than one class in the competitions I organize. I would be genuinely interested in hosting a cuirassier only tournament in future though, assuming there is an obvious interest for it. I just don't fix the two mix well together, and although I respect people thinking differently, at the end of the day the tournaments I host represent my competitive views, not those of the entire cavalry community.

All right, I can understand the idea of wanting to rank the Hussar players among themselves, which I think is important. But isn't a very good hussar able to adapt? Can't he manage to change his game against another kind of adversity? Isn't that what differentiates a very good player from a good player? A good regiment from a very good regiment which can adapt his own tactic?

Moreover, about the league, why not allow in the future fantasy league the cuirassiers players to play their class as Thyrell had very cleverly organised for his tournament? The style of one cuirassier for five hussars on the field

As far as a cuirassier league is concerned, this is frankly impossible due to the fact that there are no more or not enough solid cuirassier regiments. I think you are already informed on this point but it is a hope that I tried to apply 3 years ago when there were big cuirassier regiments and it didn't work. Now if it's to allow hussar players to play cuirassier, I don't see any point in making a league of cuirassiers but this will not be taken seriously by the players

I fully understand that it's no satisfactory answer from your perspective but I'd rather be fully transparent about my intentions. I was very clear about it not so long ago. I don't mind having other people hosting tournaments including heavies though, neither do I mind partaking in them, I simply don't have any interest in being the one who hosts them as it's not the vision of competition I share.

the fact that you acknowledge it honours you and I am grateful for this honesty. This is your tournament and it is legitimate for you to organise it as you see fit. I really would have liked to take part in it. It's a pity that with the absence of cuirassiers, you are finally taking away my weapon on which I have always played and that takes away all my initial interest that I had in the tournament

I think we'll be fine and if you think I'm wrong, then you clearly have not paid enough attention to what most people experience when they face heavies (be it in 5v5, regimental leagues, etc..). As for every thing, time will tell. Good luck in your Bannelord endeavours, let us know when the game is no longer utter garbage, I'm sure a lot of us would be willing to enjoy it with you.

I think you're wrong and we don't agree on this point. When I look at the other side of the community, I realise that we have always had a lot of diversity. That many people enjoy diversifying their style of play. Indeed, many have complained about cuirassiers. But again, they speak much more than those who have always and will continue to see cavalry matches not as tournaments just between hussars but also between hussars and cuirassiers. Indeed, there are probably more people who think that there should be only one class: hussars and this is a great regret for me.

For BannerLord, I propose that we look at the number of simultaneous connections on both games. 3,000 on Warband versus 15,000 on BannerLord. The revolution is here and time will prove me right: when Taleword closes the servers on Warband, you'll have to face the facts
Honestly, on this spade, I want to add that the game has really improved and the rider duels on this game are just so much better than on Warband. Honestly, this game is great:and it will continue to improve thanks to the active game community that is working with the developers to provide a better experience for players

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- Hussar is the only class allowed.

so I'm going to ask the drama question: "why?"

It's just surprising then that the cuirassiers teams won the last editions in 5vs5 format to put them aside like this. So very experienced players in this class will not be able to play it. Very unfortunate

If the idea is simply to play with just one class, then I suppose the community will shrink even further for what's left of it

Good luck for the rest of your tournament. I sincerely wish you a very good tournament while I'm going back to BannerLord

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It's not anything directly indicated against heavy players.  But it was simply put in place to create a level-playing field for everyone.  I feel it would create less drama overall.  I am sorry if you think this is aimed at anyone directly, it really isn't!

Just to add on to what Tardet has said, ""I would be genuinely interested in hosting a cuirassier only tournament in future though, assuming there is an obvious interest for it".  I also spoke with him not too long ago and we were saying we would be interested in doing something like this!

I totally understand the idea of making hussars cup but let's face it, making a heavy cup is completely impossible. This is the biggest tragedy: the cuirassiers regiments (14pk, 1erRC, DCL) all disbanded after winning all the tournaments in any format. We have always been a minority against a majority of hussars.It is true that there are no really competitive cuirassiers regiments left compared to the overwhelming majority of hussar regiments. It is also true that regiments of lancers and then cuirassiers were not much help.But like the lancers in the past, don't expect the cuirassiers to play a different class. I mean, this may have been the case for the SNC because it was a national issue, but I clearly doubt that cuirassiers will not play as hussars. once again, those who make dramas about cuirassiers are still few in number, but they are the authors of the great majority of the dramas and God knows they were numerous. By the way, there is still the 8pk and the regiments of hussars who will want to play cuirassiers, in short little interest. Not against, teams of cuirassiers are still existing and only ask to have the possibility to play to participate. Also for some players, don't hesitate to let me play cuirassier in the Draft Cup and I will be present on the front line on the battlefield

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I would like to say, your English has improved dramatically as of late.  Very well done to you, and there are some valid points throughout what you have said for both.  But again i'll always revert back to the equal playing field as my main point of keeping the same classes.

Thank you, I had very good teachers. Although I think it is sad that you do not go back on this position and of course I find it legitimate since it is your tournament and well, it's also the opinion of many players (Edit: but not all of them)

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Competitive EU Events/Tournaments / Re: The Fighting Pit - 5v5 Tournament

« on: December 28, 2020, 09:30:18 pm »

Retournes sur Bannerlord monstre.

rejoins moi vite, beauté