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Title: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Pinkknight on December 02, 2012, 06:57:41 pm

Basicly moving this over from TW, thanks for Skass and Furrnox for your work earlier! :D.

The purpose of this thread is to have a list of ranks of the armies in the Napoleonic Wars which are as historically accurate as possible, though im aware of the fact that those will propably never be 100% accurate or complete. Im not going to list any ranks above Colonel as this is just thought for regiments, also the ranks above that are probably known by everyone anyway.
"But this doesn't contain my regiments ranks!" Well, either i have made a mistake then or your regiment isn't using completely accurate ranks. You dont have to use these if you dont like them. This is just to give people an idea how they might structure their ranks or how to improve their ranking system.

Feel free to correct me anytime if you spot a mistake, but only if you have a correction that is provable (a link of a trustable website would allready be enough).


What the threadlooking for:

- Naval ranks of  all nations, major as minor.
- Ranks of any minor nation

Please PM me if you know anything that could be added.
Also feel free to ask any question in this thread.


Please note: I wont put any german minor nations into the list as they are mostly the same as Prussian or Austrian ones.




Major Factions

Britain
Foot
Spoiler
Colonel
Lieutenant Colonel
Major
Captain
Lieutenant
Ensign

Regimental Serjeant Major
Serjeant Major
Colour Serjeant
Serjeant
Corporal

Private
[close]
Skirmishers
Spoiler
Colonel
Lieutenant Colonel
Major
Captain
Lieutenant
Second Lieutenant
(Ensign)

Regimental Serjeant Major
Serjeant Major
Colour Serjeant
Serjeant
Corporal
Chosen Man

Riflemen
[close]
Cavalry
Spoiler
Colonel
Lieutenant Colonel
Major
Captain
Lieutenant
Cornett

Corporal of Horse
Corporal

Trooper
[close]
Artillery
Spoiler
Colonel
Lieutenant Colonel
Major
Captain
Lieutenant

Battery Serjeant
Serjeant
Bombardier
Lance Bombardier

Cannoneer
[close]
Naval
Spoiler
-
[close]

France
Foot
Spoiler
Colonel [Colonel]
Chef de Bataillon [Lieutenant Colonel]
Major [Major]
Capitaine [Captain]
Lieutenant [First Lieutenant]
Sous Lieutenant [Second Lieutenant]

Sergent-Major [Seargent Major]
Sergent [Seargent]
Caporal-Fourrier [Corporal First Class]
Caporal [Corporal]

Soldat [Private]
[close]
Skirmishers
Spoiler
Colonel [Colonel]
Major[Lieutenant Colonel]
Chef de Bataillon [Major]
Capitaine [Captain]
Lieutenant [First Lieutenant]
Sous Lieutenant [Second Lieutenant]

Sergent-Major [Seargent Major]
Sergent [Seargent]
Caporal-Fourrier [Corporal First Class]
Caporal [Corporal]

Soldat [Private]
[close]
Cavalry
Spoiler
Colonel [Colonel]
Major/[Lieutenant Colonel]
Chef d'Escadron [Major]
Capitaine [Captain]
Lieutenant [First Lieutenant]
Sous Lieutenant [Second Lieutenant]

Marechal-des-logis Chef[Seargent Major]
Marechal-des-logis [Seargent]
Brigadier-Fourrier [Corporal First Class]
Brigadier[Corporal]

Cavalier [Private]
[close]
Artillery
Spoiler
Colonel [Colonel]
Major [Lieutenant Colonel]
Chef de Bataillon [Major]
Capitaine [Captain]
Lieutenant [First Lieutenant]
Sous Lieutenant [Second Lieutenant]

Sergent-Major [Seargent Major]
Sergent [Seargent]
Caporal-Fourrier [Corporal First Class]
Caporal [Corporal]

Canonnier de première classe
[Private First class]
Canonnier de deuxième classe[Private Second Class]
[close]
Naval
Spoiler
-
[close]

Prussia
Foot
Spoiler
Oberst [Colonel]
Oberstleutnant[Lieutenant Colonel]
Major [Major]
Hauptmann/Capitaine(Kapitän) [Captain]
Oberleutnant/Premierlieutenant [First Lieutenant]
Leutnant/Secondelieutenant [Second Lieutenant]
Fähnrich [Ensign/Colourseargent]

Feldwebel [Seargent]
Unteroffizier/Corporal [Corporal]
Gefreiter [Lance Corporal]

Musketier/Füsilier/Grenadier/Gemeiner (Depending on Troopkind)[Private]
[close]
Skirmishers
Spoiler
Oberst [Colonel]
Oberstleutnant [Lieutenant Colonel]
Major [Major]
Hauptmann/Capitaine [Captain]
Oberleutnant/Premierlieutenant [First Lieutenant]
Leutnant/Secondelieutenant [Second Lieutenant]
Fähnrich [Ensign/Colourseargent]

Feldwebel [Seargent]
Oberjäger [Corporal]
Gefreiter [Lance Corporal]

Jäger [Private]
[close]
Cavalry
Spoiler
Oberst [Colonel]
Oberstleutnant [Lieutenant Colonel]
Major [Major]
Rittmeister [Captain]
Oberleutnant/Premierlieutenant [First Lieutenant]
Leutnant/Secondelieutenant [Second Lieutenant]
Fähnrich/Kornett [Ensign/Colourseargent]

Wachtmeister [Seargent]
Unteroffizier/Corporal [Corporal]
Gefreiter [Lance Corporal]

Reiter [Private]
[close]
Artillery
Spoiler
Oberst [Colonel]
Oberstleutnant [Lieutenant Colonel]
Feuerwerksmeister [Major]
Feuerwerkshauptmann/Rittmeister [Captain]
Oberfeuerwerksleutnant/Premierlieutenant [First Lieutenant]
Feruerwerksleutnant/Secondelieutenant [Second Lieutenant]
Stückjunker [Ensign/Colourseargent]

Oberfeuerwerker/ [Seargent]
Unteroffizier/Corporal [Corporal]
Bombardier [Lance Corporal]

Kanonier [Private]
[close]
Naval
Spoiler
-
[close]

Austria
Foot
Spoiler
Oberst [Colonel]
Oberstlieutnant[Lieutenant Colonel]
Major [Major]
Hauptmann [Captain]
Oberlieutenant [First Lieutenant]
Unterlieutenant [Second Lieutenant]
Fähnrich [Ensign/Colourseargent]

Feldwebel/Wachtmeister [Seargent]
Corporal/Korporal [Corporal]
Gefreyter [Lance Corporal]

Musketier/Füsilier/Grenadier/Gemeiner (Depending on Troopkind)[Private]
[close]
Skirmishers
Spoiler
Oberst [Colonel]
Oberstlieutnant[Lieutenant Colonel]
Major [Major]
Hauptmann [Captain]
Oberlieutnant [First Lieutenant]
Unterileutenant [Second Lieutenant]
Fähnrich [Ensign/Colourseargent]

Oberjäger [Seargent]
Corporal/Korporal/Zugführer [Corporal]
Gefreyter [Lance Corporal]

Jäger [Private]
[close]
Cavalry
Spoiler
Oberst [Colonel]
Oberstleutnant[Lieutenant Colonel]
Major [Major]
Rittmeister [Captain]
Oberlieutnant [First Lieutenant]
Unterlieutenant [Second Lieutenant]
Fähnrich/Kornett [Ensign/Colourseargent]

Feldwebel/Wachtmeister [Seargent]
Corporal/Korporal [Corporal]
Gefreyter [Lance Corporal]

Reiter [Private]
[close]
Artillery
Spoiler
Oberst [Colonel]
Oberstleutnant[Lieutenant Colonel]
Feuerwerksmeister/Major [Major]
Feuerwerkshauptmann [Captain]
Feurerwerksoberleutnant [First Lieutenant]
Feuerwerksleutnant [Second Lieutenant]
Fähnrich [Ensign/Colourseargent]

Feldwebel/Wachtmeister/Oberfeuerwerker [Seargent]
Corporal/Korporal/Feuerwerker [Corporal]
Bombardier [Lance Corporal]

Kanonier [Private]
[close]
Naval
Spoiler
-
[close]

Russia
Foot
Spoiler
Полковник - Polkovnik[Colonel]
Подполковник - Podpolkovnik[Lieutenant Colonel]
Майор - Mayor [Major]
Капитан - Kapitan [Captain]
Штабс-капитан - Shtabs-Kapitan["Staffcaptain"]
Поручик - Poruchik [First Lieutenant]
Подпоручик - Podporuchik [Second Lieutenant]
Прапорщик - Praporshchik [Propably Ensign]

Фельдфебель - Feldfebel [Seargent First Class]
Портупей-прапорщик - Portupey-praporshchik [Seargent Second Class]
Подпрапорщик - Podpraporshchik [Seargent Third Class]
Младший унтер-офицер - Mladshiy Unter-ofitser [Corporal]

Рядовой - Ryadovoy [Private]
[close]
Skirmishers
Spoiler
Spoiler
Полковник - Polkovnik[Colonel]
Подполковник - Podpolkovnik[Lieutenant Colonel]
Майор - Mayor [Major]
Капитан - Kapitan [Captain]
Штабс-капитан - Shtabs-Kapitan["Staffcaptain"]
Поручик - Poruchik [First Lieutenant]
Подпоручик - Podporuchik [Second Lieutenant]
Прапорщик - Praporshchik [Propably Ensign)]

Фельдфебель - Feldfebel [Seargent First Class]
Портупей-прапорщик - Portupey-praporshchik [Seargent Second Class]
Подпрапорщик - Podpraporshchik [Seargent Third Class]
Младший унтер-офицер - Mladshiy Unter-ofitser [Corporal]

Рядовой - Ryadovoy [Private]
[close]
[close]
Cavalry
Spoiler
Полковник - Polkovnik[Colonel]
Подполковник - Podpolkovnik[Lieutenant Colonel]
Майор - Mayor [Major]
Ротмистр - Rotmistr [Captain]
Штаб-ротмистр - Shtab-Rotmistr ["Staffcaptain"]
Поручик - Poruchik [First Lieutenant]
Подпоручик - Podporuchik [Second Lieutenant]
Корнет - Kornet [Kornett]

Вахмистр - Vakhmistr [Seargent First Class]
Эстандарт-юнкер - Estandart-yunker [Colour Seargent (?)]
Подпрапорщик - Podpraporshchik [Seargent Third Class]
Младший унтер-офицер - Mladshiy Unter-ofitser [Corporal]

Рядовой - Ryadovoy [Private]
[close]
Artillery
Spoiler
Полковник - Polkovnik[Colonel]
Подполковник - Podpolkovnik[Lieutenant Colonel]
Майор - Mayor [Major]
Капитан - Kapitan [Captain]
Штабс-капитан - Shtabs-Kapitan["Staffcaptain"]
Поручик - Poruchik [First Lieutenant]
Подпоручик - Podporuchik [Second Lieutenant]
Прапорщик - Praporshchik [Ensign]

Фельдфебель - Feldfebel [Seargent First Class]
Портупей-юнкер - Portupey-yunker [Seargent Second Class]
Подпрапорщик - Podpraporshchik [Seargent Third Class]
Фейерверкер - Feyyerverker [Corporal]

Рядовой - Ryadovoy [Private]
[close]
Naval
Spoiler
Rankers
Матрос 2 статьи - Matros 2 stati - Seaman 2nd Class
Матрос 1 статьи - Matros 1 stati - Seaman 1st Class

Under-Officers
Квартирмейстер - Kvartirmeyster - Quartermaster
Боцманмат - Botsmanmat - Botswain's Mate
Боцман - Botsman - Botswain
Кондуктор - Konduktor - Conductor

Over-Officers
Мичман - Michman - Midshipman
Лейтенант - Leytenant - Lieutenant

Staff-Officers
Капитан-лейтенант - Kapitan-Leytenant - Captain-Lieutenant
Капитан 2 ранга - Kapitan 2 ranga - Captain of the 2nd Rank
Капитан 1 ранга - Kapitan 1 ranga - Captain of the 1st Rank*
Капитан-командор - Kapitan-Komandor - Captain-Commander
Контр-адмирал - Kontr-Admiral - Counter-Admiral (Rear Admiral)
Вице-адмирал - Vitse-Admiral - Vice-Admiral
Адмирал - Admiral - Admiral  (Durr Hurr)
Генерал-адмирал - General-Admiral - General-Admiral
[close]







Minor Nations
Sweden
Foot
Spoiler
Överste [Colonel]
Överstelöjtnant [Lieutenant Colonel]
Major [Major]
Kapten [Captain]
Kaptenlöjtnant [Captain-Lieutenant]
Löjtnant [Lieutenant]
Fänrik [Ensign]

Fältväbel[Seargent Major]
Fanjunkare [Colour Seargent]
Sergeant [Seargent]
(Rustmästare) [?]
Korpral [Corporal]
Vicekorpral [Lance Corporal]

Menig[Private]
[close]
Skirmishers
Spoiler
Överste [Colonel]
Överstelöjtnant [Lieutenant Colonel]
Major [Major]
Kapten [Captain]
Kaptenlöjtnant [Captain-Lieutenant]
Löjtnant [Lieutenant]
Fänrik [Ensign]

Fältväbel[Seargent Major]
Fanjunkare [Colour Seargent]
Sergeant [Seargent]
(Rustmästare) [?]
Korpral [Corporal]
Vicekorpral [Lance Corporal]

Menig[Private]
[close]
Cavalry
Spoiler
Överste [Colonel]
Överstelöjtnant [Lieutenant Colonel]
Major [Major]
Ryttmästare [Cavalry Captain]
Ryttmästarelöjtnant [Captain-Lieutenant]
Löjtnant [Lieutenant]
Kornett [Ensign]

Fältväbel[Seargent Major]
Fanjunkare [Colour Seargent]
Sergeant [Seargent]
Korpral [Corporal]
Vicekorpral [Lance Corporal]

Menig[Private]
[close]
Artillery
Spoiler
Översten vid artilleriet [Colonel of the Artillery]   
Överstelöjtnant [Lieutenant Colonel]
Major [Major]
Kapten [Captain]
Löjtnant [Lieutenant]
Fänrik [Ensign]

Fältväbel [Sergeant Major]
Styckjunkare [Color Sergeant]
Sergeant [Sergeant]
Konstapel    [Corporal]
Lärkonstapel [Lance Corporal]

Hantlangare [Private]
[close]
Naval
Spoiler
Överste - Colonel
Överstelöjtnant - Lieutenant Colonel
Örlogskapten - Major
Kapten - Captain
Kaptenlöjtnant - Captainlieutenant
Löjtnant - Lieutenant
Fänrik - Ensign

Fältväbel - Sergeant Major
Sergeant - Sergeant
Högbåtsman - ?
Korpral - Corporal
Vicekopral - Lance Corporal

Menig / Matros - Private / Seaman
[close]

The Netherlands
Foot
Spoiler
Kolonel - Colonel
Luitenant-Kolonel - Lieutenant Colonel
Majoor - Major
Kapitein - Captain
Adjudant-Majoor - ???
Luitenant - Lieutenant
Tweede Luitenant - 2nd Lieutenant
Vaandrig - Ensign

Adjudant - ???
Sergeant-Majoor - (Company) Sergeant-Major
Sergeant - Sergeant
Fourrier - Quartermaster Corporal
Korporaal - Corporal

Soldaat/Fusilier/Grenadier - Private
[close]
Skirmishers
Spoiler
Kolonel - Colonel
Luitenant-Kolonel - Lieutenant Colonel
Majoor - Major
Kapitein - Captain
Adjudant-Majoor - ???
Luitenant - Lieutenant
Tweede Luitenant - 2nd Lieutenant
Adjudant - ???

Sergeant-Majoor - (Company) Sergeant-Major
Sergeant - Sergeant
Fourrier - Corporal
Korporaal - Lance Corporal

Jager - Private
[close]
Cavalry
Spoiler
Kolonel - Colonel
Luitenant-Kolonel - Lieutenant Colonel
Majoor - Major
Ritmeester - Captain
Adjudant-Majoor - ???
Luitenant - Lieutenant
Tweede Luitenant - 2nd Lieutenant

Adjudant - ???
Opper-Wachtmeester - Staff Sergeant
Wachtmeester - Sergeant
Korporaal - Corporal

Huzaar/Karabinier/Kurrasier/Lancier etc - Private
[close]
Artillery
Spoiler
Kolonel - Colonel
Luitenant-Kolonel - Lieutenant Colonel
Majoor - Major
Kapitein - Captain
Adjudant-Majoor - ???
Luitenant - Lieutenant
Tweede -Luitenant - 2nd Lieutenant

Adjudant - ???
Opper-Wachtmeester - Staff Sergeant
Sergeant- Sergeant
Korporaal - Corporal

Kannonier - Private
[close]
Naval
Spoiler
-
[close]

Portugal
Foot
Spoiler
Coronel [Colonel]
Tenente-Coronel [Lieutenant Colonel]
Major [Major]
Capitão [Captain]
Tenente [Lieutenant]
Alferes [Ensign]

Sargento-mor [Sergeant-Major]
Sargento-Chefe [Chief Sergeant]
Sargento-Ajudante [Staff Sergeant]
Primeiro-Sargento [First Sergeant]
Segundo-Sargento [2nd Sergeant]
Furriel [Quartermaster]
Segundo-Furriel [2nd Quartermaster]
Cabo-ajudante [Staff Corporal]
Primeiro Cabo [1st Corporal]
Segundo Cabo [2nd Corporal]

Soldado/Praça [Private]
[close]
Skirmishers
Spoiler
-
[close]
Cavalry
Spoiler
-
[close]
Artillery
Spoiler
-
[close]
Naval
Spoiler
-
[close]

Poland
Foot
Spoiler
Pułkownik [Colonel]
Podpułkownik [Lieutenant Colonel]
Major [Major]
Kapitan [Captain]
Porucznik [Lieutnenant]
Podporucznik [Second Lieutnenant]
Chorąży [Ensign]

Starszy Sierżant [Staff Sergeant]
Sierżant [Sergeant]
Starzy Kapral [Corporal]
Kapral [Lance Corporal]

Szeregowy [Private]
[close]
Skirmishers
Spoiler
-
[close]
Cavalry
Spoiler
-
[close]
Artillery
Spoiler
-
[close]
Naval
Spoiler
-
[close]

Denmark
Foot
Spoiler
Oberst [Colonel]
Oberstløjtnant  [Lieutenant Colonel]
Major [Major]
Kaptajn [Captain]
Løjtnant [Lieutenant]
Sekondløjtnant [2nd Lieutenant]

Oversergent [Staff Sergeant]
Sergent [Sergeant]
Korporal [Corporal]
Overkonstabel [Lance Corporal]

Menig [Private]
[close]
Skirmishers
Spoiler
-
[close]
Cavalry
Spoiler
-
[close]
Artillery
Spoiler
-
[close]
Naval
Spoiler
-
[close]

Italy
Foot
Spoiler
Colonnello - Colonel
Tenente Colonello - Lieutenant Colonel
Maggiore - Major
Primo Capitano - First Captain
Capitano - Captain
Tenente - Lieutenant
Sottotenente - Second Lieutnenant

Sergente Maggiore - Sergeant Major
Sergente - Sergeant
Caporalmaggiore - Corporal Major
Caporale - Corporal

Soldato - Private
[close]
Skirmishers
Spoiler
-
[close]
Cavalry
Spoiler
-
[close]
Artillery
Spoiler
-
[close]
Naval
Spoiler
-
[close]
Spain
Foot
Spoiler
Coronel - Colonel
Teniente Coronel - Lieutenant Colonel
Comandante - Major
Capitan - Captain
Teniente - Lieutenant
Alferez - Ensign
Subteniente - Sublieutenant

Sargento Primero - Staff Sergeant
Sargento - Sergeant
Cabo Mayor - Corporal Major
Cabo Primero - Corporal
Cabo - Lance Corporal

Soldado - Private
[close]
Skirmishers
Spoiler
-
[close]
Cavalry
Spoiler
-
[close]
Artillery
Spoiler
-
[close]
Naval

Greece
Foot
Spoiler
Stratigos - General
Antistratigos - Lieutenant General
Ypostratigos - Major General
Taxiarchos - Brigadier

Syntagmatarchis - Colonel
Antisyntagmatachis - Lieutenant Colonel
Tagmatarchis - Major

Lochagos - Captain
Ypolochagos - Lieutenant
Anthypolochagos - Second Lieutenant
Lochias - Sergeant
Dekaneas - Corporal
Ypodekaneas - Lance Corporal
Stratiotis - Private
[close]
Skirmishers
Spoiler
-
[close]
Cavalry
Spoiler
-
[close]
Artillery
Spoiler
-
[close]
Naval
Spoiler
-
[close]
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Blade on December 02, 2012, 07:00:37 pm
Good job pinky!  ;)
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Pinkknight on December 02, 2012, 07:02:18 pm
Good job pinky!  ;)


Thank Skass and Furrnox for their work first :D.
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Duuring on December 02, 2012, 07:20:06 pm
I would like to point out that corporal-fourrier, or brigade-fourrier, aren't 'corporal first classes' but corporal-quatermasters, in charge of the paperwork and bagage of their respective companies.

Keeping that in mind, in Dutch, a corporal is 'korporaal', while fourrier means corporal quatermaster as well. No first class rubbish.

Finally, a French sergeant-major was a company sergeant-major. There was the rank of Adjudant sous-officier, which was the highest ranking NCO in the batallion.
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Jocam on December 02, 2012, 08:48:21 pm
If you need translations for the  ??? dutch ranks, just message me =D
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Duuring on December 02, 2012, 09:11:12 pm
The problem isn't with the translation, but what rank they represent. For the rank of adjudant-majoor, there's no proper english or french translation.

Some more stuff :, the rank of 'onder-luitenant' is complete rubbish - it should be 'tweede luitenant', translated as 2nd lieutenant.
The rank of sergeant-majoor is should also be translated as (company) sergeant-major.
The Dutch name of a sergeant of the artillery should be 'sergeant', not wachtmeester (cos thats a cav rank).
And finally, I have to question the ranks of 'wachtmeester' and 'ritmeester'. They do exist now, but every time I read something on Dutch cavalry they talk about sergeants and captains. That doesn't prove or disaprove anything though, I just thought it was worth mentioning
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Jacob on December 02, 2012, 11:18:27 pm
Really nice work :)
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Stunned Lime on December 02, 2012, 11:34:43 pm
To fix you there the UK Arty ranks were Recruit,Cannoneer,Lance Bombardier(LCpl),Bombardier(Cpl),Battery Serjeant etc...
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: James Stewart on December 03, 2012, 12:30:40 am
I believe in Sweden they had a rank called "Filthy".
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Stunned Lime on December 03, 2012, 04:15:02 am
I believe in Sweden they had a rank called "Filthy".

Haha that episode where from Sharpe where the Sjt calls everyone filth! :P Woow we have the same profile pic intresting :O
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Pinkknight on December 03, 2012, 01:46:03 pm
Really nice work :)

Thanks, but you have to thank Skass and Furrnox for doing the most work, I just moved the thread over here basicly xD

To fix you there the UK Arty ranks were Recruit,Cannoneer,Lance Bombardier(LCpl),Bombardier(Cpl),Battery Serjeant etc...

Updated :P

I believe in Sweden they had a rank called "Filthy".

Tavington pls
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Youp on December 03, 2012, 02:54:45 pm
Nice thread! Glad to see that someone has time to make this :)
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Pinkknight on December 03, 2012, 07:59:41 pm
Nice thread! Glad to see that someone has time to make this :)

Thanks :D.


Uptaded thread, now also looking for Marine ranks for all factions!
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Duuring on December 03, 2012, 09:05:45 pm
Marines have the same rank as the infantry. Don't you mean naval ranks?
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: USE4life on December 03, 2012, 09:23:18 pm
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Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Pinkknight on December 03, 2012, 09:28:35 pm
Marines have the same rank as the infantry. Don't you mean naval ranks?

Yes, I mean Naval xD
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Pinkknight on December 05, 2012, 09:44:57 am
Still looking for more ranks! :D
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Wolfy on December 05, 2012, 10:54:49 am
Good work!Should really help people out  :D
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Pinkknight on December 06, 2012, 04:29:27 pm
Good work!Should really help people out  :D

It should! :D. All I need is more ranks to get some work, GO GET SOME PLEASE! :D
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Duuring on December 06, 2012, 10:53:40 pm
Maybe add the ranks of the colourbearers?

Premier port-aigle for the French, with the deuxieme and troiseme being sergeants (or sergeant-majors, can't recall) who had the task to protect the premier (a second lieutenant who carried the eagle).

Vaandrig (equalivent of ensign) for the Dutch.
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Pinkknight on December 06, 2012, 11:17:56 pm
Maybe add the ranks of the colourbearers?

Premier port-aigle for the French, with the deuxieme and troiseme being sergeants (or sergeant-majors, can't recall) who had the task to protect the premier (a second lieutenant who carried the eagle).

Vaandrig (equalivent of ensign) for the Dutch.

Where abouts should the French rank be in the order? :P, I'll add the Dutch one :D
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Menelaos on December 07, 2012, 01:46:43 pm
Austria didn't have a navy lolwut. I guess Prussia had a small one but I'm no expert on it.
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Duuring on December 07, 2012, 02:55:18 pm
It's the other way around - Prussia had no navy. Austria...I'm not 100% sure, but I believe they had a really small ineffective navy, which 'disappeared' when Triest was taken from them.
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Johan on December 07, 2012, 06:03:18 pm
Cheers for the ranks!
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Duuring on December 07, 2012, 06:10:17 pm
Maybe add the ranks of the colourbearers?

Premier port-aigle for the French, with the deuxieme and troiseme being sergeants (or sergeant-majors, can't recall) who had the task to protect the premier (a second lieutenant who carried the eagle).

Vaandrig (equalivent of ensign) for the Dutch.

Where abouts should the French rank be in the order? :P, I'll add the Dutch one :D

Premier port-aigle was a sous-luitenant, the deuxieme and troiseme were sergeant-majors, but with seniority over the regular sergeant-majors.

You made a spelling mistake in 'vaandrig', and you forgot the change the skirmisher ranks of korporaal and fourrier :P

Work, you lazy Swede!
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Stunned Lime on December 07, 2012, 07:36:27 pm
There were also Horse Guards in British Cavalry! I believe it was the equivalent of Lcpl :P Not rly sure... If someone could correct me please go ahead :D
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: GoldenEagle on December 07, 2012, 09:48:18 pm
I like how the Italians have either O or E at the end of every rank :D
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Jocam on December 08, 2012, 06:56:16 pm
The problem isn't with the translation, but what rank they represent. For the rank of adjudant-majoor, there's no proper english or french translation.

Some more stuff :, the rank of 'onder-luitenant' is complete rubbish - it should be 'tweede luitenant', translated as 2nd lieutenant.
The rank of sergeant-majoor is should also be translated as (company) sergeant-major.
The Dutch name of a sergeant of the artillery should be 'sergeant', not wachtmeester (cos thats a cav rank).
And finally, I have to question the ranks of 'wachtmeester' and 'ritmeester'. They do exist now, but every time I read something on Dutch cavalry they talk about sergeants and captains. That doesn't prove or disaprove anything though, I just thought it was worth mentioning


well, they speak of captains, but officailly, the rank are still used, so if you would be promoted, they'd ritmeester or wachtemeester
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Pinkknight on December 08, 2012, 11:08:24 pm
I like how the Italians have either O or E at the end of every rank :D

So do I, I find it hillarious c:
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Psycho on December 13, 2012, 03:46:11 am
A couple of French Naval ranks I believe.

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Ranks:

Officiers Supérieurs:
Capitaine de Vaisseau
Tag - Capitaine
Battalion Commander

Capitaine de Frégate
Tag - CdF
Advisor to the Battalion Commander
Officiers Subalternes:
Lieutenant de Vaisseau
Tag - Lt
Secondary Commander

Sous-Lieutenant
Tag - SLt
Officer in Training
Sous-Officiers:
Premiere-Maître
Tag - PMtr
Father of the Battalion, bearded veteran,
answers only to the Capitaine.

Maître
Tag - Mtr
Senior NCO, aid to the Lt.

Second-Maître
Tag - SMtr
Artillery Gunner
Matelots:
Matelot Breveté
Tag - MltB
A true veteran of battle, and
a long time member of the Marins.

Matelot
Tag  - Mlt
A Sailor, and a full-fledged soldier.
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Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Bluehawk on December 14, 2012, 07:28:37 pm
Russian naval ranks for 1798-1827, from the same source as the other Russian ranks in this thread.

Rankers
Матрос 2 статьи - Matros 2 stati - Seaman 2nd Class
Матрос 1 статьи - Matros 1 stati - Seaman 1st Class

Under-Officers
Квартирмейстер - Kvartirmeyster - Quartermaster
Боцманмат - Botsmanmat - Botswain's Mate
Боцман - Botsman - Botswain
Кондуктор - Konduktor - Conductor

Over-Officers
Мичман - Michman - Midshipman
Лейтенант - Leytenant - Lieutenant

Staff-Officers
Капитан-лейтенант - Kapitan-Leytenant - Captain-Lieutenant
Капитан 2 ранга - Kapitan 2 ranga - Captain of the 2nd Rank
Капитан 1 ранга - Kapitan 1 ranga - Captain of the 1st Rank*
Капитан-командор - Kapitan-Komandor - Captain-Commander (Commodore)
Контр-адмирал - Kontr-Admiral - Counter-Admiral (Rear Admiral)
Вице-адмирал - Vitse-Admiral - Vice-Admiral
Адмирал - Admiral - Admiral  (obviously)
Генерал-адмирал - General-Admiral - General-Admiral**

Some of these ranks are obviously positions on a ship that would only be filled by one or two people, yet are placed in a hierarchy for the purposes of pay, and so that on shore, they can fit within the army and civil ranking structures. Any regiment planning on using these ranks will have to exercise common sense in assigning them to their members. Where a rank contains "1", it is read as "первого" - "pervogo" and note that the г is pronounced like a в in this genitive suffix. Where a rank contains "2", it is read as "второго" - "vtorogo".

*Captain of the 1st Rank is equal in grade to the army Colonel, so a naval unit should not exceed this rank but be aware that Naval Infantry (Marines) regiments used army ranks, not naval ones (and their officers were often transferred from regular infantry regiments, army academies etc).
** This rank was vacant during the whole reign of Alexander I and isn't relevant to NW.
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Menelaos on December 26, 2012, 01:46:15 am
Grande Armée rank   Modern U.S. equivalent
Général de division,
Lieutenant général   Lieutenant General
Général de brigade,
Maréchal de camp (in 1815)   Major General
Adjudant-commandant   Brigadier General
Colonel   Colonel
Major   Lieutenant Colonel
Chef de bataillon or Chef d'escadron[51]   Major
Capitaine adjutant-major   Staff Captain
Capitaine   Captain
Lieutenant   First Lieutenant
Sous-lieutenant   Second Lieutenant
Non-commissioned officers
Adjudant sous-officier   Chief Warrant Officer
Adjudant-Chef   Warrant Officer
Adjudant   Sergeant-Major
Sergent-Major or Maréchal des logis Chef[51]   First sergeant
Sergent or Maréchal des Logis[51]   Sergeant
Caporal-Fourrier or Brigadier-Fourrier[51]   Company clerk/supply Sergeant
Caporal or Brigadier (Cavalry, Horse Artillery and Gendarmerie)[51]   Corporal
Soldat or Cavalier(Cavalry) or Canonnier(Artillery)   Private

It was missing a few in France.
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Dasvi2018 on December 29, 2012, 07:36:14 am
Ok here is some greek ones

Stratigos - General
Antistratigos - Lieutenant General
Ypostratigos - Major General
Taxiarchos - Brigadier

Syntagmatarchis - Colonel
Antisyntagmatachis - Lieutenant Colonel
Tagmatarchis - Major

Lochagos - Captain
Ypolochagos - Lieutenant
Anthypolochagos - Second Lieutenant
Simaioforos - Ensign
Lochias - Sergeant
Dekaneas - Corporal
Ypodekaneas - Lance Corporal
Stratiotis - Private

Note: These ranks look like the modern ones because the ranks haven't been changed a lot since the Byzantines e.x Lochagos was the leader of a 100 men hoplite unit , the Loxos and his lieutenants were called ypolochagoi - literally sub-captains.

If you want naval ranks i can bring them. Just say it in the thread

Dasvi2018

EDIT : Added Simaioforos - Ensign
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Dealen on December 29, 2012, 07:45:16 am
Awesome Intel hope a lot of people will get a use out of this!  8)
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Blobmania on December 29, 2012, 09:22:56 am
I would suggest making the Naval CO and Naval NCO ranks as seperate columns, as there's so many of them.
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: William Trumper-Jones on December 31, 2012, 04:45:39 am
British Naval Ranks:

Navy Ranks

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Officers

Admiral of the Fleet
Admiral
Vice Admiral
Rear Admiral
Commodore
Captain
Lieutenant (1st Lt, 2nd Lt, 3rdLt + 4th Lt, Dependant on size of vessel)
Sailing Master (Ranked as Lt)
Midshipman

Crew:

Purser
Carpenter
Cook
Bosun

Bosun's Mate
Sailor
Cabin Boy's
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Marine Ranks

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Officers

Lieutenant Colonel
Major
Captain
Lieutenant

NCO's

Serjeant Major
Serjeant
Corporal

Enlisted

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Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: smothdude on January 03, 2013, 07:38:16 pm
I believe in Sweden they had a rank called "Filthy".

I believe they were actually called "Scroungers"
Filthy Scroungers
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Riotblade on January 06, 2013, 06:47:22 am
Preettty helpful thanks!
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Dom13WorstNW on January 08, 2013, 12:17:58 pm
Really nice job this will help a lot of new regiments
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Hekko on January 08, 2013, 12:46:11 pm
I wish to register twocomplaints!

First of all, the UK cavalry NCO-ranks should be the same as for the infantry, the only ones to use Corporal of Horse and the variations thereof were the household cavalry.

Secondly, the translation/explanation of CdB for the French should be liuetenant colonel, because they had thesame job; leading batallions.
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: sir Luca on January 11, 2013, 11:46:52 am
I have to disagree with what is written about Polish ranks.

Duchy of Warsaw did not have a Navy.
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Odysseus on January 11, 2013, 05:35:48 pm
I'm pretty sure those Austrian Infantry ranks are a little off, pretty sure it goes like this:

Officer
Oberst
Oberstleutnant
Major
Hauptmann
Oberleutnant
Unterleutnant
NCO
Feldwebel
Korporal
Gefreiter
Enlisted
Füsilier / Grenadier

That's up to Colonel at least.
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Jocam on January 26, 2013, 06:54:31 pm
Think this can use a bump
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Mr. Kochi on February 15, 2013, 12:44:25 am
Just a small detail. I actually found that during the early Napoleonic Wars (not sure when this was abolished, though), there used to be a rank in the British Army called "Captain-Lieutenant". The idea was that, since colonels didn't show up in battle very often, their companies were left without a commanding officer. Therefore, one of the lieutenants was promoted to acting-captain, with the rank being "Captain-Lieutenant".

However, he wasn't paid more money, and kept his uniform as it was. The only difference was his commanding role.
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Ililsa on February 20, 2013, 06:54:46 pm
I wish to register twocomplaints!

First of all, the UK cavalry NCO-ranks should be the same as for the infantry, the only ones to use Corporal of Horse and the variations thereof were the household cavalry.

This. Though there was at least one, which was Troop Sergeant Major, previously Troop Quartermaster.
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Pinkknight on February 20, 2013, 10:40:49 pm
I've basicly quit, so anyone who has the time can go on with this list ;).
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: MrRiv on February 21, 2013, 12:24:10 am
I've got a list of Polish Cavalry Ranks.  I'm not too sure of their validity, but they make sense.  I'll seperate them by their Polish name, the abbreviation, and the English Counterpart.  I also incleded some comments, cause the ranks are a bit odd.

szeregowiec              szer.        Private                (General term for ranker)
dragon                      drag.        Dragoon             (Private for Dragoon regiments)
ulan                           ul.            Lancer                (Private for Lancer regiments)
starszy dragon          st.drag.   Older Dragoon    (Lance Corporal for Dragoon regiments)
starszy ulan              st. ul.       Older Lancer       (Lance Corporal for Lancer regiments)
kapral                       kapr.        Corporal
plutonowy                plut.          Lance Sergeant
wachmistrz              wachm.    Sergeant of Horse
podporucznik           ppor.        Second-Lieutenant
porucznik                 por.          Lieutenant
rotmistrz                  rtm.          Captain of Horse
major                       mjr.          Major
podpulkownik          pplk.         Lieutenant-Colonel
pulkownik                plk.           Colonel

I tried my best with these.  It's all I could find on the subject.
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Jocam on February 21, 2013, 02:25:30 pm
Since Pinky quit, I could make a new post with the opdated ranking system, if you guys want to?
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Cop on February 21, 2013, 09:26:33 pm
Since Pinky quit, I could make a new post with the opdated ranking system, if you guys want to?
I say go for it if you want.
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Joker11 on February 21, 2013, 09:28:50 pm
Since Pinky quit, I could make a new post with the opdated ranking system, if you guys  want to?
I say go for it if you want.
yea cop can do it
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Jocam on February 21, 2013, 09:58:48 pm
Made the topic
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Felix on February 23, 2013, 12:29:50 am
British Naval Ranks:

Navy Ranks

Spoiler
Officers

Admiral of the Fleet
Admiral
Vice Admiral
Rear Admiral
Commodore
Captain
Lieutenant (1st Lt, 2nd Lt, 3rdLt + 4th Lt, Dependant on size of vessel)
Sailing Master (Ranked as Lt)
Midshipman

Crew:

Purser
Carpenter
Cook
Bosun

Bosun's Mate
Sailor
Cabin Boy's
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Marine Ranks

Spoiler
Officers

Lieutenant Colonel
Major
Captain
Lieutenant

NCO's

Serjeant Major
Serjeant
Corporal

Enlisted

Private[/spoiler[/img]]
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Are these Marine ranks confirmed to be accurate?  ??? As I've seen many regiments using different marine ranks for specifically a 'Royal Marines' regiment.

If anyone could confirm them, would be much appreciated!  :D
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Rikugun Taishō Ito on April 21, 2013, 04:42:09 am
BAWMP!
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Stoniestpepper on September 22, 2014, 05:16:47 pm
For cav it would be Squadron Corporal Major - Company Serjeant Major

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_sergeant_major

"In the Household Cavalry, squadron corporal major (SCM)"
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Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Michael Fish on September 22, 2014, 10:07:48 pm
Correction to the Artillery, Lance Bombardier does not exist, and Bombardier takes it's place, it is lower than Corporal, in between Lieutenant and Captain there is a rank of 2nd Captain, abbreviated to 2Cpt

Bombardier Rank source
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Originally, the Royal Artillery had corporals (but not lance-corporals) and a bombardier was junior to a corporal and wore a single chevron. Unlike a lance-corporal, a bombardier held full non-commissioned rank and not an acting appointment. The rank was equivalent to second corporal in the Royal Engineers and Army Ordnance Corps.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_(rank)
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2nd Captain Source
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A rank of second captain existed in the Ordnance at the time of the Battle of Waterloo.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_(British_Army_and_Royal_Marines)
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Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Riddlez on September 22, 2014, 11:14:22 pm
Mother of necroes, 1,5 years.
THAT'S A RECORD.
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Saga on September 23, 2014, 09:18:44 pm
Wikipedia is not a reliable source...
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: AeroNinja on September 23, 2014, 09:23:02 pm
Wikipedia is not a reliable source...
This
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Saga on September 23, 2014, 10:51:34 pm
Wikipedia is not a reliable source...
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaADQTeZRCY[/youtube]
Title: Re: Collection of Historical Ranks
Post by: Michael Fish on September 24, 2014, 12:25:36 am
Wikipedia is not a reliable source...
Wikipedia itself isn't but if you look at the articles, you will see they all have decent and reliable sources themselves, it's simply easier to link the wiki page