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Offline Jigstas

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Donations in the 91st. The truth. *UPDATED*
« on: October 05, 2013, 06:58:15 pm »
Donations in the 91st are something that you do to the regiment as a sign of commitment and supporting the regiment as a whole and want to carry on using the TeamSpeak and in game servers. It is not just about the NW aspect but the wider community and for those that have been around a while its about maintaining friendships in the regiment. Now, the supposed costs of the 91st are said by the Colonel to be 110 Euros a month. I found this odd and spoke with others in the NW community regarding these costs including Regimental leaders and Server hosters.

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Jigstas: i was wondering how much are the KKA costs for servers and the like?
PrideofNi [K-KA]: what, all of our servers?
Jigstas: Yep ts,website in game servers the lot
PrideofNi [K-KA]: around £40 I month I think
PrideofNi [K-KA]: a month*
Jigstas: Thanks, may I use this chat log for a post on fse?
PrideofNi [K-KA]: why? lol
Jigstas: Just a little project about something i am doing
PrideofNi [K-KA]: Sure, its fine I guess ^^
Jigstas: Thank you



Jigstas: Hi Tyrion mind if i ask you a quick question?
[78th]Col Tyrion: Sure?
Jigstas: How much are the 78th costs for ts,website and ingame servers?
[78th]Col Tyrion: around 35 a month
Jigstas: thanks, mind if this chat log is shared?
[78th]Col Tyrion: erm, what for?
Jigstas: A post of FSE regarding server costs
[78th]Col Tyrion: Oh, well our website is £8 a month, 50slot Ts, 12 a month and server about 15 - hope that helps
Jigstas: Thanks so thats 35 a month? Thanks!


Person 1: It's a Hetzner server, they are the only company which provide dedi's in germany of high specs, and they are well known around FSE
Person 2: And would there prices be around 110 Euros?
Person 2: their*
Person 1: 49 euro a month
Person 2: For a server box?
Person 1: 60 euro most likley depending if he included windows on it which is an extra 15 euro
Person 2: Yes

These 2 persons did not want their names involved in this but their permission was given to post these logs.

Jigstas: Hi Eazy
[25th] Eazy-E: hello
Jigstas: mind if i ask you a question?
[25th] Eazy-E: this about my costs? Tyrion told me
Jigstas: Yes it is, how much are all your server costs, ts , website and game servers?
[25th] Eazy-E: Teamspeak £10, website £10, 200 slot ingame server £20
[25th] Eazy-E: ish
[25th] Eazy-E: altogether my monthly expenditure is just under 40 quod
[25th] Eazy-E: quid
Jigstas: So about 45 a month then for the sake of argument?
[25th] Eazy-E: 49
[25th] Eazy-E: 40
[25th] Eazy-E: **
Jigstas: thanks mind if these logs are used on FSE in a post regarding server costs?
[25th] Eazy-E: not at all
Jigstas: Thank you very much

Jigstas: Hi Hekko
(WoC|2|Hekko: Heya
Jigstas: can i ask you about server costs and such?
(WoC|2|Hekko: Yeah
(WoC|2|Hekko: Go ahead :)
Jigstas: How much would a website, 2 200 slot servers and a ts cost?
(WoC|2|Hekko: Well it depends on the provider, I mean you could easily run that on the serverbos I go at the moment, and I am paying 49 euro a month for it at the moment
(WoC|2|Hekko: The bandwidth is the bottleneck for the servers rather than the hardware
Jigstas: Any idea about the 91st?
Jigstas: such as their costs and what they run? How much would it cost if i wanted too copy the same servers and the like?
(WoC|2|Hekko: Well afaik their server is in the netherlands, so it might not be comparable to what I am paying
(WoC|2|Hekko: And it might have considerably more bandwidth than I do
Jigstas: So its 110 Euros reasonable?
(WoC|2|Hekko: But if that isn't the case it should be floating between 20 euro more than what I pay at most I reckon
(WoC|2|Hekko: I mean, hiring 2 servers and a website from rackio will probably set you back 70 euro
(WoC|2|Hekko: And you will get the TS for free in that case
Jigstas: hmmm okay thanks do you mind if these logs are shared on a public forum?
(WoC|2|Hekko: Not at all
Jigstas: Thanks so does the 110 euro sound right for the 91st costs?
(WoC|2|Hekko: I cannot say, I am just saying that you could run the stuff that they have for around 50-60 with a normal server
Jigstas: Okay thank you
Jigstas: still okay to post the logs?
(WoC|2|Hekko: Yeah, it's fine.

Jigstas: How much is the server costs of the 92nd, ts, website and in game servers?
[92nd] John Cameron: Uhm. My website runs via all-inkl and costs me 5€ a month. I could run that via the game-server too but i rather have a good indipendant web-server and i am with that company for like 10 years already.
[92nd] John Cameron: The game server which runs teamspeak and all warband servers. As well as sometimes the one or other shooter server etc costs me 50€ a month + 15€ for the Operating System.
Jigstas: So about 65 Euro a month?
[92nd] John Cameron: I pay the webserver alone and the game server gets paid by myself and some good fellows who donate form time to time.
[92nd] John Cameron: Yeah 70€ all in all.
Jigstas: Thank you, do you mind this being posted on FSE?
[92nd] John Cameron: But thoertical everything could be done via just the game server for 65€.
Jigstas: Okay thanks
[92nd] John Cameron: And such a game server usually costs a setup fee. Which you just pay once.
Jigstas: Okay I got that so is it okay for me to post this on FSE?
[92nd] John Cameron: Uhm in what context? :3 Did I do anything bad?
Jigstas: In the context of the 91st not to do with you
[92nd] John Cameron: Uhm. Ok. I guess that does no harm.


All these peoples permission was gained before posting these logs.

This screenshot was linked to me by the 91st Colonel through a third party.

*Removed on request by owner (Tavington) on grounds that he did not give OP permission to post it.*


First, notice that the different size and font in the product column. Between EX10 and the other product. Second the Unit price for the EX10 is 41.1765, but then in the next column in a different font and text size it says 79.84. These two figures do not add up. And it is easy to alter this in paint as I did myself to the final price. Changing it from 110-116. And it still looks exactly the same. 



So it would seem that the server costs are not what Tavington claims and are in fact cheaper meaning that he has not been honest to the whole of the 91st and most likely pocketing the rest for himself.





Further these pictures are of Hetzner invoices from other server hosters. Notice the different font and font size on the product and price. And Total costs.

This post is a warning not just to the 91st but too all members of Regiments be careful when you donate to the regiment. In the case of the 91st we can only guess at how much money has slipped through the cracks....

Regards


Jigstas
« Last Edit: October 06, 2013, 07:49:51 pm by Jigstas »

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Re: Donations in the 91st. The truth.
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2013, 07:02:46 pm »
Well, seems as though the truth always comes out in the end.

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Re: Donations in the 91st. The truth.
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2013, 07:04:05 pm »
Why am I not suprised.

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Re: Donations in the 91st. The truth.
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2013, 07:08:16 pm »
I must applaud you immensely, I like how went through every little detail such as getting the steam conversations approved,  and finding server costs. The 91st can do nothing to get rid of this since it's all legal on the forums, congrats on exposing this. Sherlock Holmes of NW  :)
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Re: Donations in the 91st. The truth.
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2013, 07:08:52 pm »
Wait for someone from the 91st to post on Tav's behalf before coming up with crazy accusations.

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Re: Donations in the 91st. The truth.
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2013, 07:12:32 pm »
I have been telling you all along that the 91st leadership is bad.
Pretty much silly how many people can fall for it.

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Re: Donations in the 91st. The truth.
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2013, 07:13:23 pm »
Wow

I never thought this would happen.

Great work my friend!

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Re: Donations in the 91st. The truth.
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2013, 07:13:49 pm »
Oh, so this is what it was for lol, hmm but yeah 110 a month seems a huge amount...

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Re: Donations in the 91st. The truth.
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2013, 07:14:17 pm »
GG WP, Jiggy bringer of Truth, Warden of FSE, and Warrior of all thing honourable.

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Re: Donations in the 91st. The truth.
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2013, 07:15:45 pm »
Tav's pocketing money and using the 91st as a pyramid scheme by rewarding donations with ranks and sweet-talking his way into keeping his members donating? Wow. Did NOT see that coming.


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Re: Donations in the 91st. The truth.
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2013, 07:17:11 pm »
call ze poleece
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Re: Donations in the 91st. The truth.
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2013, 07:22:32 pm »
wow..  :o


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Re: Donations in the 91st. The truth.
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2013, 07:22:46 pm »
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Re: Donations in the 91st. The truth.
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2013, 07:25:14 pm »
Guys, what's the problem ? It's Capitalism

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Re: Donations in the 91st. The truth.
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2013, 07:53:58 pm »
Moved back. Excuse the move; temporary measure to stop spam posts and coordinate with other administrators. Tavington will be writing up a defense, as is only fair, and will be posted here when possible.
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