Why was the Wehrmacht so superior?

[Johan]

Wehrmacht wasn't so "elite" as everyone think's. Everyone thinks of it as a mechanised army, well it had mechanised infantry regiment, but so many horses...

I would type a massive post on why the Wehrmacht is so overrated, but it's just not worth it with the amount of Fascist's and National Socialist's we have in the community. Won't get through their thick skull's.

[Archduke Sven]

The allies lost sixteen million men. The axis lost eight million.
Yep, I would call them superior.

Its the reasons behind the casualties that you have to question, not the statistics.

Almost every battle the Wehrmacht fought against the USSR, whether it be offensive or defensive, ended up with a 1:6 casualty ratio. For every Wehrmacht soldier dead, 6 Soviets died between '42-'44, in 1941 it was 1:20.

Wehrmacht wasn't so "elite" as everyone think's. Everyone thinks of it as a mechanised army, well it had mechanised infantry regiment, but so many horses...

I would type a massive post on why the Wehrmacht is so overrated, but it's just not worth it with the amount of Fascist's and National Socialist's we have in the community. Won't get through their thick skull's.

The Wehrmacht wasn't elite, it was simply superior to any other standing army at the time, nothing else can describe how the Germans where able to hold out for so long, against such massive disadvantages. The army was mostly just infantry, yes, but so was almost all armies at the time. The only armies that were fully mechanised at the end of the war was the British army and the US army. It isn't overrated, the Wehrmacht is the most powerful military force the world has ever seen that has been committed to such large scale combat. I'm sure that will change eventually, but as of now it stands.

Oh and yes, it's easy to blame others for you not having an actual argument. Just calling others Nazis and Fascists will definetly make you look that much smarter and credible.

[Wismar]

The allies lost sixteen million men. The axis lost eight million.
Yep, I would call them superior.

Its the reasons behind the casualties that you have to question, not the statistics.

Reason: They were simply better.

I like how Johan calls people nazis when he leads a freikorps regiment.
They were pretty much the nazis of the time.

some members of the freikorps

Josef Adams, SS Officer
Friedrich Alpers, SS General
Karl Astel racial scientist
Ludolf von Alvensleben, SS General
Rudolf Bamler General
Eleonore Baur NSDAP member
Kurt Benson, SS Oberführer'
Rudolph Berthold, World War I ace
Gottlob Berger,SS General
Karl-Heinz Bertling, SS Oberführer
Lothar Beutel, SS General
Wilhelm Bittrich SS General
Martin Bormann, NSDAP Politician/SS General
Franz Büchner, Air ace
Wilhelm Canaris, Admiral
Friedrich Christiansen Luftwaffe General
Oluf Christensen, SA Brigadefuhrer
Franz Classen, SS General
Kurt Daluege, SS General
Karl Diebitsch SS Oberführer
Josef Dietrich SS General
Oskar Dirlewanger, SS Colonel
Anton Dunckern, SS General
Karlfried Graf Dürckheim, Nazi propagandist
Freiherr Karl von Eberstein SS General
Johannes Engel, SS General
Hermann Ehrhardt
Hans Frank SA General/Governor-General of Poland
Fritz Freitag, SS General
Karl Gebhardt, SS General
Richard Glücks, SS General
Arthur Greiser, SS General
Adam Grünewald, SS Major
Wilhelm Harster SS General
Franz Hayler SS General
Hans Hayn SA leader
Reinhard Heydrich, SS General
Richard Hildebrandt SS General
Heinrich Himmler, Reichsführer-SS
Hans Hinkel, SS Officer
Rudolf Hoess, Kommandant of Auschwitz[10]
Karl Höfer, SS General
Hermann Höfle (SS general) SS General
Bernhard von Hülsen, German General
Friedrich Gustav Jaeger
Dietrich von Jagow, SA General, German diplomat
Friedrich Jeckeln SS General
Ferdinand Jodl, German General
Ernst Kantorowicz Medieval historian
Hans Kammler, SS General
Wilhelm Keitel, Field Marshal
Matthias Kleinheisterkamp SS General
Waldemar Klingelhöfer SS officer
Hans Ulrich Klintzsch, SA leader
Erich Koch, NSDAP leader for East Prussia
Eberhard Kautter
Heinrich Kreipe, German General
Friedrich-Wilhelm Krüger SS General
Walter Krüger (SS general) SS General
Arthur Liebehenschel SS Officer
Georg Lindemann, German General
Wilhelm List, German General
Wilhelm Friedrich Loeper, SS General
Bruno Loerzer, Luftwaffe General
Heinz Greiner, German General
Viktor Lutze, SA Leader
Eberhard von Mackensen, German General
Erich Marcks, German General
Benno Martin, SS General
Josef Albert Meisinger SS Colonel
Paul Moder, SS General
Thomas Müller (SS officer) SS officer
Hermann Niehoff German General
Friedrich T. Noltenius World War I ace
Karl von Oberkamp, SS General[11]
Günther Pancke SS General
Heinz Pernet SA Brigadeführer
Hartmut Plaas
Oswald Pohl SS General
Hans-Adolf Prützmann, SS General
Hermann-Bernhard Ramcke Luftwaffe General
Johann Rattenhuber SS General
Hanns Albin Rauter SS officer
Ernst Röhm, SA leader
Arthur Rödl, SS Colonel
Beppo Römer, KPD member
Emanuel Schäfer SS Colonel
Julian Scherner SS officer
Albert Leo Schlageter, anti-French saboteur
Walter Schimana SS General
Wilhelm Wilhelm Schmid, SA leader
August Schmidthuber, SS General
Karl Eberhard Schöngarth, SS General
Ferdinand Schörner, German General
Werner Schrader,German Army officer
Julius Schreck, SS leader
Franz Seldte SA leader
Max Simon, SS General
Hugo Sperrle, Luftwaffe General
Jakob Sporrenberg, SS General
Felix Steiner, SS General
Walter Stennes, SA leader
Franz Walter Stahlecker SS General
Walter Staudinger, SS General
Gregor Strasser, NSDAP member
Otto Strasser, NSDAP member
Wilhelm Stuckart, SS General
Friedrich Uebelhoer, SS General
Benno von Arent SS officer
Hans-Jürgen von Blumenthal German Army officer
Adolf von Bomhard, SS General
Franz Ritter von Epp, NSDAP Reichsstatthalter for Bavaria
Curt von Gottberg, SS general
Wolf-Heinrich Graf von Helldorf, SA member
Maximilian von Herff, SS General
Peter von Heydebreck, SA leader
Manfred Freiherr von Killinger
Fritz von Kraußer, SA Officer
Bolko von Richthofen relative of the Red Baron
Ernst von Salomon, Organisation Consul member
Franz Pfeffer von Salomon, SA leader
Ferdinand von Sammern-Frankenegg, SS Officer
Fritz von Scholz SS General
Otto Teetzmann SS Oberführer
Edmund Trinkl, SS Officer
Otmar Freiherr von Verschuer SS doctor
Otto Waechter, SS General
Hilmar Wäckerle SS officer
Friedrich Warzok, SS officer
Walther Wenck, German Army General
Richard Wendler, SS General
Karl Wolff, SS General
Notable Freikorps units[edit]

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[Desert Thunda]

The allies lost sixteen million men. The axis lost eight million.
Yep, I would call them superior.

Its the reasons behind the casualties that you have to question, not the statistics.

Reason: They were simply better.

So if 10 million men died of disease, and 4 more died of starvation, does that mean that the opposing army is better? Better supplied, definitely, but it has nothing to do with military training.

[Archduke Sven]

The allies lost sixteen million men. The axis lost eight million.
Yep, I would call them superior.

Its the reasons behind the casualties that you have to question, not the statistics.

Reason: They were simply better.

So if 10 million men died of disease, and 4 more died of starvation, does that mean that the opposing army is better?

1:6 in combat.... Wehrmacht was obviously superior in quality to the Red Army.

Also are you claiming 14 million allies died of non-combat causes? 

[Desert Thunda]

Spoiler

The allies lost sixteen million men. The axis lost eight million.
Yep, I would call them superior.

Its the reasons behind the casualties that you have to question, not the statistics.

Reason: They were simply better.

So if 10 million men died of disease, and 4 more died of starvation, does that mean that the opposing army is better?

1:6 in combat.... Wehrmacht was obviously superior in quality to the Red Army.

Also are you claiming 14 million allies died of non-combat causes? 

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It was an example Sven :p

[Archduke Sven]

Spoiler

The allies lost sixteen million men. The axis lost eight million.
Yep, I would call them superior.

Its the reasons behind the casualties that you have to question, not the statistics.

Reason: They were simply better.

So if 10 million men died of disease, and 4 more died of starvation, does that mean that the opposing army is better?

1:6 in combat.... Wehrmacht was obviously superior in quality to the Red Army.

Also are you claiming 14 million allies died of non-combat causes? 

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It was an example Sven :p

wow such misinterpretation

[Desert Thunda]

Well I think it was obvious since I did not specify any military names

[Augy]

There was a big difference in training between the nations, Germany took the most time training their soldiers and thus had a better quality but namely the Soviets and Americans took less time to train their soldiers but they had larger numbers. 

Were the soviet or other allies given the same training, there would be no difference in quality. 
The Wehrmacht was quality over quantity and you see how it ended for them, the Allies could mobilize more troops and smashed those fuckers.

[Archduke Sven]

There was a big difference in training between the nations, Germany took the most time training their soldiers and thus had a better quality but namely the Soviets and Americans took less time to train their soldiers but they had larger numbers. 

Were the soviet or other allies given the same training, there would be no difference in quality. 
The Wehrmacht was quality over quantity and you see how it ended for them, the Allies could mobilize more troops and smashed those fuckers.

Oh boy you couldn't be more wrong. The Soviets had 3 years conscription, their troops served a longer time in military training, in the reserves and in the militia than Germany who only had an extended conscription plan (Normally it's 1 year). Thus the Soviets had huge amounts of experienced and trained reservists upon mobilization, many more than Germany could count on. It's the way they were trained, they were trained in Soviet doctrine which was inferior to the Wehrmacht ones.

Also, how badly informed can you be, to ever, ever, believe that the US forces had less training time than the Germans? I can't explain in  words how misinformed you are, it's ridiculous. The US sat on the opposite side of the world, and was able to train their forces for over 3 years until they were committed to major combat in Europe. The Divisions they had in Africa and later Italy, who didn't have as much time to train, were the best equipped forces the US had in the west at that time, and then again it was only 3-4 divisions, a fraction of US forces.

It seems you base your facts of off movies where soldiers are horded of trains without rifles and sent against German positions, that wasn't the case.

[Augy]

I think you're just a little butthurt that you can't jerk off over the wehrmacht.

[Archduke Sven]

I think you're just a little butthurt that you can't jerk off over the wehrmacht.

No, i actually think you're the one thats butthurt, and i think your statement shows it...

[Augy]

I'm merely talking to some fascists trying to give the Wehrmacht some mythical status, fuck that because they got curbstomped proper.

[Desert Thunda]

Would you care to give us a great detail of this "inferior" Soviet doctrine? I would call it outdated.

[Archduke Sven]

I'm merely talking to some fascists trying to give the Wehrmacht some mythical status, fuck that because they got curbstomped proper.

Upon close inspection it seems like a rash has indeed broke out around your anus. Are you sad you can't jerk off to anarchist horse shit? Oh yes, i love it when anarchists get curb stomped by nationalists.

Would you care to give us a great detail of this "inferior" Soviet doctrine?

One example of this is how Soviet divisions would attack. They used 2 infantry regiments up front and then a third far behind in support to exploit breakthroughs or fill gaps. This meant that the Soviets attacked with only 2/3s of their force, thus they attacked piecemeal, they only amended this much later in the war.