NW Community Suggestions & Grievances

[Deofuta]

NW Community Suggestions & Grievances

1) This thread is for community concerns.

That means that when you post, it shouldn't be something like "When is the next patch coming out?" or anything of that ilk. It should be relevant to the well-being of the NW Community, and something which affects the players themselves.

2) This thread is for questions, not discussion.

If someone asks a question, please do not respond to it yourself. This thread is for asking the question or displaying the grievance. Once you do so the representatives will decide whether to discuss it further. Once it is discussed we will publish the results of the discussion in a manner yet to be formed but forthcoming. Do not spam a question in order to gain a response, if it has been deemed a useful question the response will be forthcoming. The moderators will closely be watching this thread, and will dispense warnings liberally in order to keep it on task.

3) You may ask any question, as long as you truly want an answer.

We will try to look into any question posted here that merits the discussion. Please do not ask for something that has already been discussed unless new events have caused it to be appropriate. We will soon be posting a list of what is being discussed, and what has been discussed. We ask that you look at that list before posting your question.

4) Try to keep your posts to the point, and don't post anything that is offensive, malicious, or hawkish.

Hyperbole is not a desired element. If you have a question you want discussed, make it to the point. A post seething with rage abut perceived injustices and anecdotal evidence will not press forth the importance of your topic any more than a short, concise explanation would.

Once more, the overall purpose of this thread is to give the NW Representatives  an outlet to look into to gauge if we're not only doing our job right, but what we can do to improve ourselves, as well as a way to fully utilize the offices we've been voted into. Please use this thread to it's full potential. I look forward to working with you all.

[Deofuta]

Suggestions & Grievances

Issues Being Discussed
- Community Troubles
- Regiment Names
- Regiment Section Spam
- Forum 'Call outs'


Discussions Which Have Been Completed
- Transparency of Action
- Forum Grievances Thread
- List of Issues
- Presentation of Outcomes
- Regimental Embargo

[Deofuta]

Decisions

Transparency of Action:

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Topic raised by / On behalf of: Malakith
Date 12th Feb 2013
Overview of Suggestion / Grievance
Recent events show that new rules have been introduced to the Forum Guidelines without notification of any users whom they affect. Some of these changes are significant in their scope and as such the community as a whole should of been made aware of them. In future all changes to rules should be messaged to the community as an all user Private Message (PM).

Key discussion points including their author

5arge / Hypern PMs should be reserved for Major rule changes only, minor changes shouldn't need to be broadcast
Malakith Clarifies Major should be anything impacting the "Rights" of the users, things such as spelling mistakes can be exempt
Hypern Suggests possible use of Developer Diaries as another source of ensuring information is distributed
Flash, Lowlander, Frederickson, Rejenorst Agree with sending a message when a rule is changed
Deofuta / Refleax Consider thread closed, in future all changes that are not spelling or small clarifications shall be PM'd to all users.


Outcome

Whenever a significant rule change occurs (insignificant being classed as spelling or slight re-wording with the same meaning) a mass PM to all users shall be sent out informing them of the change

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Presentation of Outcomes:

Spoiler

Topic raised by / On behalf of: Malakith
Date 14th Feb 2013
Overview of Suggestion / Grievance
In the interest of keeping the community informed, holding representatives accountable and displaying the work of both the representatives and FSE team in exploring all avenues relating to a topic a suggestion was made that upon the completion of a thread discussing a Suggestion / Grievance it be locked and moved from the Private board into a public viewing board for the whole community to see.

Key discussion points including their author

5arge: The idea should be utilised alongside Spearings "Grievances thread" to allow full transparency from Complaint to Outcome for the community
Flash: Felt releasing the entire thread could potentially jeopardise people bringing forth sensitive, yet pertinent information which could influence the decision if they were not allowed to remain anonymous. Especially if regarding a sensitive topic this could cause members of the community to be targeted unfairly by those who disagree.
Malakith: Believed representatives should stand by everything they write and that full disclosure of the entire thread was the best way of achieving this
Flash: Clarified as a representative he was happy to stand behind he overall stance on an issue but specific details and sources should be protected for their benefit.
5arge: Suggests a compromise of a short summarised report to be created at the conclusion of each thread detailing key points and the outcome reached.
Hypern, Mikkel the Great: Agree a short summarised version conveys the key point of the discussion to the community whilst avoiding unnecessary drama detracting from the topic at hand.
Mikkel the Great: Raised concerns due to summary having to be written by single person it may cause disagreements due to "colouring" of opinions.
Deofuta: Asks Reps if they really want to take the extra time to summarise as it will require someone to do it in every instance instead of moving a locked topic to an open board.
Delays due to waiting for other Representatives to cast their vote
Blobmania Suggests releasing full threads but sensitive information would be removed by Moderators before going public
Delays whilst votes are re-cast
Stalemate ensues with division between Full Disclosure and Summaries
Deofuta Raises concerns that Full disclosure may make some topics not discussable in depth due to reactions public community may have and the following actions they inflict upon commenting parties. Also that Summaries make key points and outcome clear
Malakith / Aztir Swap vote to Summary in order to break deadlock and allow wider Community to see at least something. Discussion is holding up far more important threads from being released. Caveat that if the community at large (not just individual radicals) is unhappy with Summary format the topic will be revisited in future with Community suggestions driving it.

Outcome

All Topics / Threads discussed by the Representatives, Moderation and FSE teams will be presented in the format shown with key discussion points highlighted including their author to allow a clean, readable flow of discussion with accountability for those involved whilst allowing sensitive information or sources to be protected in the interest of ensuring full discussion occurs.

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Regimental 'Embargo':

Spoiler

Topic raised by / On behalf of: Malakith on behalf of James Grant
Date 21st Feb 2013
Overview of Suggestion / Grievance
One Grievance I have is that there is one regiment of the community, big and formidable, that has actually got an embargo on it by several regiments in their attempt to essentially starve the regiment of opponents and cause it's disbandment.
I'm not going to name any of these regiments but this is absolutely despicable. That elements of the community have come to actually try and force a regiment to just give up is a complete disgrace and this sort of bitterness is what has caused the community so much harm.

At the end of the day if you don't like a regiment you simply don't play with it, but actually convincing other regiments and armies into doing the same and further spreading the sentiment? Absolutely disgraceful.

Key discussion points including their author

Malakith Pasted response sent to James Grant detailing why 77y personally do not engage in events with 91st but have never actively told anyone else to do so.
Malakith / Aztir Refrain from contributing to discussion in interest of impartiality
Flash Points out regimental behaviour must have been such to warrant being embargo'd to begin with.
Lowlander Provides examples of behaviour likely to cause this reaction, if regiment is behaving such to warrant this response from other community members they likely deserve it.
Mikkel All regiments have moments, nobody is a saint. Endeavours to find out more details regarding the incident specifically.
Lowlander Even if the accusation is true, how regiments behave towards each other is outside of FSE and Community Rep control beyond talking to them about it. It is up to the regiment who they do and do not play against
Mikkel Whilst the statement is true, Community Reps could attempt to assist in smoothing things over by acting as mediators. Ultimately they are unlikely to get along but it could stop the attempt to spread an "embargo".
Frederickson Suggests Regimental Code of Conduct be drawn up for regiments to conform to if they wish to register on the FSE forums
Deofuta Who a regiment plays is down to that regiment, if they do not wish to play someone that is their choice and that is that.
Rejenorst Issues like this stem mostly from the rival nature of regiments in this community which come as a natural part of humans forming competitive groups. If a community regiment gets itself ostracized it may want to examine its interactions/communication and relationships with other regiments or accept that the price is worth it.
Refleax FSE involvement would likely result in further issues, sticking to their forum/server polices is the wisest option.

Outcome

How regiments behave towards each other outside of FSE holdings (Steam, private servers etc) is entirely up to them. Should issues spill over into FSE domains (Forum, Servers etc) then the relevant Rules for that area will be enforced and punishments applied should they be breached.

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[Nipplestockings]

One thing I would like have addressed is how the 84e are not held accountable for their actions, specifically their actions regarding their siege server, just because it's technically not owned by fse. The 84e siege server is just as popular, if not more popular than any official server, yet they ignore unban requests, rudely tell off people applying for administrative positions, and hand out bans on a personal basis.

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I might also add that they're some of the least friendly and most arrogant people in the community, but that's another topic.

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In my view, the notion that privately owned servers can be operated how ever the owner pleases is only valid on a rather small sever, or one made for events. A hugely popular server specifically crafted for open public play should have the same set of standards as any official server.

[Spearing]

That's rather difficult, seeing as it is their own private server. Unless FSE pays for it, I really can't see any sort of answer here.

[Aldemar]

User was warned for this post.

[Vincenzo]

A server that is not owned or ran by us, that means we simply cannot control it, not a community representative, not me, not anyone in our company, the only one that owns a server is the owner and he can do what he wants on it.

Looking into your posting history though, your grief with 84e is quite childish,

After some digging I found your unban request;
https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=70.msg61400#msg61400

Calling admins camp-owners of Auschwitz, mmhm...
Digging deeper I found many racist remarks and alas lets not forget the personal insults that have piled up before...

Maybe it's best if you don't try to come across like a total troll next time you set foot in this topic, cheers!

[Nipplestockings]

User has been warned for this post.

[Thundersnow]

3) You may ask any question, as long as you truly want an answer.

A server that is not owned or ran by us, that means we simply cannot control it, not a community representative, not me, not anyone in our company, the only one that owns a server is the owner and he can do what he wants on it.

[5arge]

3) You may ask any question, as long as you truly want an answer.

A server that is not owned or ran by us, that means we simply cannot control it, not a community representative, not me, not anyone in our company, the only one that owns a server is the owner and he can do what he wants on it.

And with that eloquent post we will consider the Nipplestockings matter resolved. Thank you T-Snizz.

[Aldemar]

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[5arge]

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Dude really?

Yes. Really. Read the OP.

And a question, can i make my own thread with thread rules called like "all admins with cat avatars get a warning if they post here" ?

On your own forums, you can do whatever you want.

[Kator Viridian]

User was warned for this post.

Dude really? I just do my job here, if you want to be admin on 84e Siege, tell me. Then you can handle all this fuckers.

And a question, can i make my own thread with thread rules called like "all admins with cat avatars get a warning if they post here" ?

4) Try to keep your posts to the point, and don't post anything that is offensive, malicious, or hawkish.

Hyperbole is not a desired element. If you have a question you want discussed, make it to the point. A post seething with rage abut perceived injustices and anecdotal evidence will not press forth the importance of your topic any more than a short, concise explanation would.

[Odysseus]

https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=3477.0

[Deofuta]

If you break the rules I have set out for this thread, you'll get warned. It is actually pretty cut and dry. Feel free to continue bickering in the thread Odysseus has made.