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Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
« Reply #1905 on: August 13, 2017, 02:44:25 pm »
So Cara... good news, we were asked to go to LBE as French, so we will be on your side, probably even in your Peleton?

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Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
« Reply #1906 on: August 15, 2017, 10:40:58 pm »
I had nothing better to do on a summer eve so i decided to give the old bae some extra care.

And because I know how much you love clean guns, these pics are for you Riddlez. Excuse my phone's potato quality, my room is dark af and using flash doesn't really do wonders for the image quality.

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Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
« Reply #1907 on: August 15, 2017, 10:58:04 pm »
Looking good.

Oh btw. did you know that marching by the flank, having a low attendance, having guest members, having an eagle that was issued by some veteran organization, or being the biggest unit in the UK does not mean that you can do whatever the fuck you want?
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Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
« Reply #1908 on: August 16, 2017, 12:11:35 pm »
Someone is pissed off because his comment got removed  ::)

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Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
« Reply #1909 on: August 16, 2017, 01:10:46 pm »
Nah, they did not get removed.

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Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
« Reply #1910 on: August 16, 2017, 01:52:29 pm »
I want context

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Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
« Reply #1911 on: August 16, 2017, 03:36:10 pm »
Olafson is listing all the excuses 21e members offer whenever they are confronted with inaccuraries in their impressions.

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Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
« Reply #1912 on: August 16, 2017, 03:53:27 pm »
Olafson is listing all the excuses 21e members offer whenever they are confronted with inaccuraries in their impressions.

are they Americans ?

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Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
« Reply #1913 on: August 16, 2017, 03:56:24 pm »
United Kingdom. Allthough I think there is also an unaffiliated American 21e.

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Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
« Reply #1914 on: August 16, 2017, 04:29:58 pm »
Dearest Olafson,

The 21eme is not required to listen to keyboard warriors. We welcome constructive criticism with pleasure face to face. Over here we strive for steadily improving our drill and impressions over time. We don't appreciate fellows with too much time on their hands and without proper manners trying to force their opinions and criticism down our throats.
Do we have small inaccuracies here and there? Certainly. We work on them and always strive to improve our impressions. We will however always carry our eagle into battle if we have it available, it means far more to us than any other reenactment unit, at least in this United Kingdom.
You may continue to complain and criticise how we do things if you wish, but I'm afraid such grievances from you will fall on deaf ears as you've sadly given yourself a poor impression. Being our own regiment means we have the liberty to operate how we please as we strive to improve our already considerable authenticity. And, more importantly, we bear the fact in mind that none of us are real soldiers. You're not really soldiers. We are everyday people taking a weekend off to socialise with friends and bring education and enjoyment to the public along the way.
So if you'd like to come over here and demonstrate your superiority or discuss drill with us face to face we welcome you to do so. We wait with baited breath. Hope we don't end up waiting as long as people have waited for Battle Cry of Freedom.

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Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
« Reply #1915 on: August 16, 2017, 04:45:30 pm »
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We welcome constructive criticism with pleasure face to face.

Do you? What, in your mind, is constructive criticism? Is it not, as the name suggests, the offering of criticism with suggestions and historical research on how to improve the mistake made? Then, to be frank, Olafson has been doing exactly that. Any criticism he has offered is always backed up by research and always shows how the impression can be improved. The 'we only want constructive criticism' argument is too often misused by people who simply seek reasons not to listen to offered criticism. Which quite frankly, is exactly what you're doing here.

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We don't appreciate fellows with too much time on their hands and without proper manners trying to force their opinions and criticism down our throats.

"We don't have to listen to your criticism because you didn't offer it in the nicest way possible, which is preferably not at all". No, that's not how it works. That's how you treated baseless criticism that isn't backed up by both research and constructive suggestions. Which is not what Olafson has offered you. Debate the subject, not the debaters.

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We work on them and always strive to improve our impressions

Do you really? Tell me, what things have you changed that you realized were inaccurate?

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We will however always carry our eagle into battle if we have it available, it means far more to us than any other reenactment unit, at least in this United Kingdom.

What rank does your eagle-bearer have?

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as we strive to improve our already considerable authenticity

21e'ers really can't make one post about their impression without praising it. What exactly are you doing right that other groups aren't?


Don't get me wrong: I don't really care what other groups do or don't. I concentrate on my own impression and my own group, and that's a whole lot more fun. However, I cannot stand the fact that the 21e always uses the same lame excuses whenever they are confronted with one of their inaccuracies.
Worse, they personally insult the person who gives it. Never, ever, have I seen a 21e member defend their impression with any actual historical evidence. It's always either 'We're the oldest group', 'we're the largest', 'we're the original' or, 'We don't appreciate fellows with too much time on their hands and without proper manners trying to force their opinions and criticism down our throats.'

There are things that take a lot to improve, but also things that are really easy - for starters, some of the 21e members can stop wearing parade gear all the time. Takes no effort. None. Give me one solid reason why you shouldn't do this.

I have no problem with groups with lower standards then we have. Everybody here is an adult, everybody can decide for themselves how they want to do this hobby. But don't claim to hold a standard anyone with knowledge can see you're not holding. It's disrespectful, to both the real soldiers and to re-enactors who spent time and effort in going the full mile.
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Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
« Reply #1916 on: August 17, 2017, 12:07:42 am »
[You're not really soldiers

Oi

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So if you'd like to come over here and demonstrate your superiority or discuss drill with us face to face we welcome you to do so.

Alright I may sound a bit biased but as someone who kicks on discipline I would like to offer some resistance.
I have been a guest to Olafson and his group twice now, and I can say hinestly they do not claim superiority.
Claiming these guys (or any group I have seen) coming even close to realistic battle discipline is nuts. Now I acknowledge I am no veteran and havent been in training for that long, but I can say if you perform like re-enactors do you're getting an incredibly small proportion of the discipline required to run a unit. Olafaon claims no superiority in this.
The only thing he claims, is being more serious than others (verging on the point of going against logic, who the fuck sleeps outside when its freezing and theres a fucking barn available) and this is by choice.
They're definitely not superios and they certainly dont need to show this  ;D
Perhaps the only thing I could criticize is if people claim to have an accurate impression but it is obviously flawed, even though I'd personally be inclined to improve the drillbook personally, it's weird as fuck and a lot doesnt make sense.

From what I have understood the drilbook is a bit ambiguous sometimes so a face-to-face probably would improve both units.
That said logical reasonig would suggest some units would abandon parts of the drillbook completely and invent their own (as I'd do). It is common modern practice and I bet it was common in the 19th century as well. Drillbooks are there to ignore where fit.

EDIT: who the fuck would wear parade uniform voluntarily?
« Last Edit: August 17, 2017, 12:10:20 am by Riddlez »
Probably one of the very few old-timers here who hasn't been a regimental leader.

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Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
« Reply #1917 on: August 17, 2017, 08:07:47 am »
AWWW shite but i do like wearing my Mississippi dress uniform

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Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
« Reply #1918 on: August 17, 2017, 08:56:52 am »
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From what I have understood the drilbook is a bit ambiguous sometimes so a face-to-face probably would improve both units.

Occasionally, yes, but for the greatest part it's quite clear and straight-forward. These drillbooks were design to teach people with no militiary knowledge how to instruct new recruits. I don't really see a point in inventing one's own drill except for the parts that the drill book really does not mention. Like the apparant lack of instruction how to make a musket pyramid. For the rest, I'd caution against any change that's not backed up by historical evidence.

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Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
« Reply #1919 on: August 17, 2017, 11:23:57 am »
I just took a few days from my instructor duty to make the Grand Saint Bernard reenactement. It was the first time ever that a regiment (our 18e) crossed that moutain in the same conditions that in 1800. We made it barefoot with all the equipement. I will post some pictures it was incredible and a great tribute.