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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2295 on: January 19, 2018, 05:56:21 pm »
At least your far-left news outlets aren't tax-payer funded. The two most prominent UK outlets that come to mind are that of the BBC and The Guardian (the latter of which is far worse than even America's CNN when it comes to "objective" reporting).

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2296 on: January 19, 2018, 06:46:38 pm »
Can you back up the claimed existance of that bias by actual scientific, methodological sound, research? And not by 'Should be clear to anyone!11' or 'just read this article I don't like'. I know of only one study, in Belgium, that showed no left-wing bias and a very slight anti-sitting government bias.

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2297 on: January 19, 2018, 07:53:19 pm »

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2298 on: January 19, 2018, 09:09:43 pm »
Not a bad site, but you cannot use it scientifically.
 
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When calculating bias we are not just looking at political bias, but also how factual the information is and if they provide links to credible, verifiable sources. Therefore, the yellow dot may indicate political bias or how factual a source is, or in many cases, both.

This discredits basically the entire thing. You're measuring two entirely different things. It would be like stating a certain number could mean age, penis lenght or both. You have no idea whether someone is just really old or hung like a horse, or both.

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Further, we have placed a voting poll on each page for readers to vote on the bias of the source. This is similar to how a movie sites such as IMDB or Rotten Tomatoes rate their movies.

But is horrible as a format to check for a factual bias. The risk of people giving a site a bad rating because they simply don't like it is present and therefor makes the rating not trustworthy.

They also do not explain what they consider 'liberal' or 'right-wing'. Is is what the checker considers left-wing? But are there different checkers with different opinions on what constitutes left or right-wing? Are there certain 'buzz words' they have categorized? What are these? Do they just tick a box when there's a word, or does it matter how often it returns? For one category, they even admit that it's not trustworthy and do not explain how pages get this rating.

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Political Affiliation: How strongly does the source endorse a particular political ideology? In other words how extreme are their views. (This can be rather subjective)

Lastly, they do not actually state a sample-size nor check for significance, so their conclusion is, again, scientifically not usable.

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2299 on: January 19, 2018, 09:49:10 pm »
I mean, that’s fair. Not a study. I noticed they cited studies below- didn’t read them at all but I wonder how thorough those are.
Reading the Canadian biases it seems accurate. Same with a couple of Australian ones. Don’t know about any other ones, though.

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2300 on: January 19, 2018, 11:47:12 pm »
The site could be accurate. But there is absolutely no reason to assume it actually is.

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2301 on: January 20, 2018, 12:41:21 am »
The site could be accurate. But there is absolutely no reason to assume it actually is.
oh quite, but we shouldn't also assume that it isn't, either. merely use it as an interesting tool

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 3rd Place (Theodin, AsianP, Sleek, Godfried, Lurvy) l 1x 5v5 - 1st Place (RussianFury, Yoshie, Krastinov, Jorge, Theodin - Thanos and his children)

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2302 on: January 20, 2018, 01:08:36 am »
I suppose thinking an outlet is biased, could in fact be a bias. If you get my drift.

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2303 on: January 20, 2018, 11:03:40 am »
The site could be accurate. But there is absolutely no reason to assume it actually is.
oh quite, but we shouldn't also assume that it isn't, either. merely use it as an interesting tool

Scientifically, no. You cannot use it, and using it would discredit any conclusions you might reach.

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2304 on: January 20, 2018, 04:40:39 pm »
The site could be accurate. But there is absolutely no reason to assume it actually is.
oh quite, but we shouldn't also assume that it isn't, either. merely use it as an interesting tool

Scientifically, no. You cannot use it, and using it would discredit any conclusions you might reach.
Glad we’re not doing science here then eh

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 71st, Nr8(LG) l 1x 4v4- 1st Place (RussianFury, Waste, NickCole, Theodin) l 1x Cav Joust- 2nd Place l 1x 4v4-
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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2305 on: January 20, 2018, 04:52:47 pm »
So you cannot, in fact, show me scientific evidence that (certain) media is biased?

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2306 on: January 20, 2018, 05:12:07 pm »
There are multiple scientific studies reasearching media bias. So I can, yes. But I find it suspect to hold out for objective scientific methodology here when the media outlets tell you by themselves - look at endorsements of political candidates and you will find the political biases of the media outlets. Also, in that same vein, it is not realistic to say that Fox is an unbiased source, but if we hold out for objective methodology I guess it is

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2307 on: January 20, 2018, 05:14:15 pm »
So you cannot, in fact, show me scientific evidence that (certain) media is biased?

Most if not all newspapers in Sweden have openly declared what their political leanings are (it might be a law not sure).
They're all usually pretty good at objective reporting outside of the 2nd page where they usually discuss politics.
Not sure how it is in other countries though.

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2308 on: January 20, 2018, 05:16:00 pm »
Hmm, had a look at that media check website, imo for an American organisation it's surprisingly accurate on UK media in 95% of cases. However when it gets it wrong, it gets it seriously way off. E.g. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-canary-uk/

The Canary apparently has 'High' factual reporting. Lol-they're constantly pushing fake shit/conspiracy theories/sensationalist rubbish and having to apologise for it. I'd say it's probably not quite as bad as InfoWars but is easily worse than Breitbart.

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2309 on: January 20, 2018, 05:40:09 pm »
So you cannot, in fact, show me scientific evidence that (certain) media is biased?

Most if not all newspapers in Sweden have openly declared what their political leanings are (it might be a law not sure).
They're all usually pretty good at objective reporting outside of the 2nd page where they usually discuss politics.
Not sure how it is in other countries though.
All the Canadian media endorsements reflected the leanings of the org - which was also accurately reflected by the media website

1x NA Duel- Runner up |  3x 3v3- 3rd place (Seadderol Deflatriots) (Ez Money) (71st Guards + Russian) | 1x Duel League- 4th place | 1x Regimental Groupfighting- 1st place (71st)  l  1x 2v2- 3rd Place (Vortex/Theodin) | TNWL Season 2 - 1st Place l 1x 2v2- 1st Place (Theodin/Elite) l 2x NANWL-
 71st, Nr8(LG) l 1x 4v4- 1st Place (RussianFury, Waste, NickCole, Theodin) l 1x Cav Joust- 2nd Place l 1x 4v4-
 3rd Place (Theodin, AsianP, Sleek, Godfried, Lurvy) l 1x 5v5 - 1st Place (RussianFury, Yoshie, Krastinov, Jorge, Theodin - Thanos and his children)