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Title: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Millander on March 27, 2013, 07:12:16 am
Hello folk as many of you know one of the most important parts of reenacting is taking hits and dying. It has surprised me that little mention of this has been posted on this forum.

 How do you die? Share tips and suggestion. I know myself and other would be interested and could benefit from it.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Duuring on March 27, 2013, 10:00:37 am
I either do the most badly-acted 'plunge' (where you basicly drop on the spot) or a slight jump to the back.

But most of the time I survive  ::)
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Menelaos on March 27, 2013, 10:06:19 am
Pull the chord to my blood packs hidden within my tunic, a small hole is pierced and gypsy blood spews out. I then start screaming dramatically and plead for everyone to stop. The fat reenactor mistakes my blood for ketchup and eats me as I lay voluntarily on the ground.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Docm30 on March 27, 2013, 10:11:36 am
You've got to make it nice and dramatic. Hold your arm out as if grasping a skull and deliver a line like 'O untimely death!'.

Either that or just flop over and shimmy around for a second before going limp, à la Blackadder.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: zac on March 27, 2013, 11:51:04 am
Normally fall backwards and land on my soft pack,but since i broke my phone last time i now slowly kneel and drop or a hold on to the musket and slide down,, actually depends what range there shooting at  watch this towards the end,,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV-jfA6cuQQ&list=UUoQbsP39Y16DxxVUOfttFQg&index=8
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: KillerMongoose on March 27, 2013, 02:19:16 pm
I've acted a few times for various things and whenever I do a death scene, I always think of where I was hit and how my character would react to it. For example, a conscript who was shot in the belly would probably panic and freak out at the sight of his own blood. But a veteran warrior would probably try to hold the wound shut, falling to the ground with a little more dignity than a panicking conscript. Stumbling and clutching the location of the wound are very good touches. Also remember that the wound doesn't necessarily have to be instantly fatal. You could crawl around dramatically as if clinging to life for a few more moments.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: TORN on March 27, 2013, 02:36:12 pm
You need to die with alot of swag and scenery. Throw your musket in the air.
Try to scream. Everybody on the battlefield needs to know you're dead. So they can rout or fight harder.
you can learn alot from this guy.
Spoiler
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-leC2weJSU[/youtube]
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But in all seriousness. I attend to the waterloo event and pretended to get hit in the leg and leaned on the wounded leg to fall over.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 27, 2013, 06:26:17 pm
I read a article over at Authentic Campaigner website (highly recommend for any ACW reenact ors, http://www.authentic-campaigner.com ) 

They had a article of how to die by using report of wounded soldier's comment of their experience of being hit. 

Now, Not every bullet kills, there were a thing called spent bullet. Basically, not enough of gunpowder so upon being hit by a spent bullet, you will be knocked off few feet behind then shake it off and carry on forward.  There are events where a bullet will hit a nerve, causing spastic movement upon death.   


Heres what I do sometime, depending on scenario itself, if its 1861, that would be where I would a fresh fish in the war. A volunteer seeking for adventure, I would spent my time ducking and constantly looking around then bam hit, i either take a flop or panic where I as I ran away from a battle. Yes, I ran at a Bull Run scenario. But if its mid-year, where I've done some battle (historical speaking). Ill either get hit and slowly fight on forward as I am bleeding then fall.

There are actually some situation where there would be small agreement between pards about taking a shell.   
We actually did it once and a shell took down 4 guys including me quickly falling back to the ground.   
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Duuring on March 27, 2013, 06:51:45 pm
More then once I heard the story that an officer would say 'Allright, by the next shot someone falls!', but don't bothering to point out someone. With as result that a single musket shot appeared to kill about six men.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Millander on March 27, 2013, 07:48:12 pm
 At the reenactment I did last weekend I took some gnarly hits. at the First battle I took a couple hits and was recycling but I decided to make the next hit permanent. We were on a dirt road when I took the hit. Just as I was fell the order to fall back was given and our line broke into a retreat leaving the dead and wounded. I was pathetically crawling back to them on the road screaming for them to help me but to no avail.

 I turned over on the road facing the Rebel line that shot me and I began to tear at my jacket to find my wound like guys in the civil war would have done. I was leaning up a little doing this. I noticed the Rebel line was advancing and I decided that if they fired I would take a hit while on the ground. Sure enough when they aim I notice 3-4 guys aim slightly downwards me. When they fire I jolted back on the ground dead. I could hear some cheers from the rebs xD

 After a couple minutes of being dead a confederate medic came around tending to the wounded. I came back to life ( xD ) and began acting wounded. When he came over I said something along the lines of I dont need help from a damn reb. In return he tells me to go to hell and moves on. Just as he gets up I begin to plead with him to come back and that I didnt mean it and for gods sake to help me. He returns and gives me water from a very nice looking wooden canteen. I tell him im not going to make it and my last words before death is "You damn rebs wont win this war" then I die.

All in all shit was swag
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Landrik on March 28, 2013, 04:15:16 am
Nice, Milly. Being wounded before the inevitable end is great. Most reenactments I do I don't survive. xD It takes a lot of skill to be dead in plain sight. Those are so damn atmospheric.

There's some good hits in this video from 3:50 onwards. Being theatrical is cool as shit. So either it's dropping like a sack of potatoes or squirming on the ground or clutching onto another comrade, etc.

It beats the hell out of sitting down and taking off your helmet. -rolls eyes-

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gl0nlbaSLE[/youtube]
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: TheZach_Attack on March 28, 2013, 04:51:07 am
I've never re-enacted but I would suggest putting Ketchup in your mouth and biting it as you drop to your knees and die.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Jocam on March 28, 2013, 11:34:53 am
Quote from: TheZach_Attack on March 28, 2013, 04:51:07 am
I've never re-enacted but I would suggest putting Ketchup in your mouth and biting it as you drop to your knees and die.


That would also create a nice disgusting face expression
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: zac on March 28, 2013, 11:40:33 am
TOMATO SAUCE,,not ketchup..... :)
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 01, 2013, 03:12:37 am
and ruin your 500 dollar sack coat...cool.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Millander on April 01, 2013, 04:02:13 am
500 dollar sack coat... jeez la weez
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 01, 2013, 05:27:03 am
Its the recession, everyone take out your sack coat, dem coats be getting trillon dollah er'day!

Spoiler
They really cost 245-300
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Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Millander on April 01, 2013, 05:45:08 am
Jeez I have never seen a sack coat go that high.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: MichaelJ.Caboose on April 01, 2013, 07:06:24 pm
I know the coats from Wambaugh go for that much.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 01, 2013, 11:03:14 pm
yeah wambaugh's, I have a Illinois State Jacket from them. It is really amazing jacket. It was enough to  convince me to start saving up for a proper sack coat from Wambaugh's.

However I know Chris Daley makes also high quality sack coat for 160. But he has a repuation for being so slow. If you're lucky, you probably can get his stuff at sutler row in some events but one of my friend ordered a coat in March 2012, and he finally got it in March 2013.  ;D   


Quote from: Millander on April 01, 2013, 05:45:08 am
Jeez I have never seen a sack coat go that high.
   

Bear in mind, im only mentioning the high quality stuff, some are Museum Quality too. However there are still some good sack coat out there with proper quality that can go high as 75 to 150.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Duuring on April 01, 2013, 11:07:09 pm
Now, please, what's a sack coat?
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 01, 2013, 11:21:12 pm
Fatigue coat,

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unionreenactor.com%2Fwebsite%2520images%2F5th%2520Gear%2FSmall%2FFatigueBlouseSm.jpg&hash=d77422165d3bfc3975356c231323ace5e501c716)
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Jocam on April 01, 2013, 11:26:24 pm
Quote from: DeoVindice61 on April 01, 2013, 11:21:12 pm
Fatigue coat,

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unionreenactor.com%2Fwebsite%2520images%2F5th%2520Gear%2FSmall%2FFatigueBlouseSm.jpg&hash=d77422165d3bfc3975356c231323ace5e501c716)

Genius, though, he wasaskig about a sack coat, (see picture)
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 01, 2013, 11:36:25 pm
Quote from: Jocam on April 01, 2013, 11:26:24 pm
Quote from: DeoVindice61 on April 01, 2013, 11:21:12 pm
Fatigue coat,

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unionreenactor.com%2Fwebsite%2520images%2F5th%2520Gear%2FSmall%2FFatigueBlouseSm.jpg&hash=d77422165d3bfc3975356c231323ace5e501c716)

Genius, though, he wasaskig about a sack coat, (see picture)



Huh?
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: OGNValjean on April 01, 2013, 11:36:37 pm
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EvPvfVOUV8[/youtube]
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Duuring on April 02, 2013, 12:42:18 am
Quote from: DeoVindice61 on April 01, 2013, 11:21:12 pm
Fatigue coat,

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unionreenactor.com%2Fwebsite%2520images%2F5th%2520Gear%2FSmall%2FFatigueBlouseSm.jpg&hash=d77422165d3bfc3975356c231323ace5e501c716)

Wait, up to 150 euros or more for a coat THAT simple? You got to be kidding.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 02, 2013, 01:08:13 am
Quote from: Duuring on April 02, 2013, 12:42:18 am
Quote from: DeoVindice61 on April 01, 2013, 11:21:12 pm
Fatigue coat,

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unionreenactor.com%2Fwebsite%2520images%2F5th%2520Gear%2FSmall%2FFatigueBlouseSm.jpg&hash=d77422165d3bfc3975356c231323ace5e501c716)

Wait, up to 150 euros or more for a coat THAT simple? You got to be kidding.


Lol, There are many cheaper ones but they're not exactly correct in related with material or even the structure. The crazy prices I've listed above was high end Museum quality stuff. My first sack coat cost 75 bucks.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: munky-wunky on April 05, 2013, 03:42:57 pm
I always do the " looked shocked then try to unbutton by coat and look for the wound and then fall over dead"

Or charge right before they shoot and then die
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 05, 2013, 05:57:47 pm
Quote from: munk on April 05, 2013, 03:42:57 pm
I always do the " looked shocked then try to unbutton by coat and look for the wound and then fall over dead"

Or charge right before they shoot and then die


"Ow I have been shot and about to be slain and i must say that I've lost my arm sir."  -falls-
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Duuring on April 05, 2013, 06:01:23 pm
Quote from: DeoVindice61 on April 05, 2013, 05:57:47 pm
Quote from: munk on April 05, 2013, 03:42:57 pm
I always do the " looked shocked then try to unbutton by coat and look for the wound and then fall over dead"

Or charge right before they shoot and then die


"Ow I have been shot and about to be slain and i must say that I've lost my arm sir."  -falls-

"Permission die horribly sir?"
"Granted"
"Thank you very much, s-ARGH"
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: König on April 05, 2013, 06:38:42 pm
"By God, sir, I've lost my leg!"
"By God, sir, so you have!"
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: munky-wunky on April 05, 2013, 07:02:33 pm
Quote from: Duuring on April 05, 2013, 06:01:23 pm
Quote from: DeoVindice61 on April 05, 2013, 05:57:47 pm
Quote from: munk on April 05, 2013, 03:42:57 pm
I always do the " looked shocked then try to unbutton by coat and look for the wound and then fall over dead"

Or charge right before they shoot and then die


"Ow I have been shot and about to be slain and i must say that I've lost my arm sir."  -falls-

"Permission die horribly sir?"
"Granted"
"Thank you very much, s-ARGH"

"Permission to die  sir."
"Negative private" " the battle just started"!

Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 06, 2013, 06:24:17 am
Quote from: munk on April 05, 2013, 07:02:33 pm
Quote from: Duuring on April 05, 2013, 06:01:23 pm
Quote from: DeoVindice61 on April 05, 2013, 05:57:47 pm
Quote from: munk on April 05, 2013, 03:42:57 pm
I always do the " looked shocked then try to unbutton by coat and look for the wound and then fall over dead"

Or charge right before they shoot and then die


"Ow I have been shot and about to be slain and i must say that I've lost my arm sir."  -falls-

"Permission die horribly sir?"
"Granted"
"Thank you very much, s-ARGH"

"Permission to die  sir."
"Negative private" " the battle just started"!
 

Captain: psssst, take a hit!

Private: Hmm? Nope, I got me a bulletproof vest! Yes by god I have!

Captain: Oh dont be a farb Private!

Pvt: No no sir, i got proof. Here!

Spoiler
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Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Landrik on April 06, 2013, 06:51:16 am
Quote from: DeoVindice61 on April 06, 2013, 06:24:17 am
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Dear God. It's real.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: munky-wunky on April 06, 2013, 05:32:26 pm
Quote from: Landrik on April 06, 2013, 06:51:16 am
Quote from: DeoVindice61 on April 06, 2013, 06:24:17 am
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Dear God. It's real.

i know what i want!
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 06, 2013, 11:15:22 pm
They're only 5 dollar  :o
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Duuring on April 06, 2013, 11:28:32 pm
Quote from: DeoVindice61 on April 06, 2013, 11:15:22 pm
They're only 5 dollar  :o

Which was quite some money in those days.

Anyway, a true man doesn't need a bulletproof vest. Certainly not when facing French lancers.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 07, 2013, 12:13:58 am
and certainly not the artillery.

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Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Duuring on April 07, 2013, 12:15:58 am
I love that thing. Pretty much sums up the essence of napoleonic warfare.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: zac on April 07, 2013, 02:02:59 am
^
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Docm30 on April 07, 2013, 02:28:41 am
Indeed. It is a good example of the incredibly violent, impersonal and long range death that was typical of the era.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Josef Lenin on April 13, 2013, 05:15:54 am
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iC45-tMR34[/youtube]
Just be like this guy.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Londnred on April 15, 2013, 10:19:34 pm
Quote from: Josef_Lenin on April 13, 2013, 05:15:54 am
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iC45-tMR34[/youtube]
Just be like this guy.

The silly fool wrecked the good wall with his blood handprint!
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: MackCW on April 22, 2013, 04:11:06 pm
Quote from: Jocam on April 01, 2013, 11:26:24 pm
Quote from: DeoVindice61 on April 01, 2013, 11:21:12 pm
Fatigue coat,

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unionreenactor.com%2Fwebsite%2520images%2F5th%2520Gear%2FSmall%2FFatigueBlouseSm.jpg&hash=d77422165d3bfc3975356c231323ace5e501c716)

Genius, though, he wasaskig about a sack coat, (see picture)

It's the same thing. FFS if you don't know what you're talking about don't call someone else a derp.

Quote from: Millander on April 01, 2013, 05:45:08 am
Jeez I have never seen a sack coat go that high.

Good museum grade stuff goes that high Milly. Wambaugh, Sekela, Daley (doesn't do much anymore), Charlie Childs etc.

Just wait until you see the good Richmond depot jackets  :D.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Millander on April 22, 2013, 09:05:33 pm
Wow thats crazy Mack.
 was the first to die of the entire weekend. The battalion was lined up and some CS skirmishers were shooting at us from long range. Nobody was going down because we all had loaded rifles. I decided it was getting a bit silly so I handed my rifle to the guy next to me and when they fired a did a complete faceplant in front of the battalion.

Got some more stuff to write. All in all shit was cray and swag
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: HWM_Sharpe on December 02, 2013, 08:10:39 am
The way I do it is just like what really happened. For ACW if its a death shot I crumble like a sack of potatoes. WW2 Head snap helmet fly's off. ACW wounding still crumble like a sack of potatoes and either moan or pull out my bloody bandage and wrap it around my arm, leg, or sometimes head. ww2 Medics take care of that stuff. The whole sack of potatoes thing is from what im told by vets it looks like. Usually its when they are telling a story and they say "Dropped him like a sack of potatoes" and they mean that's what it looks like.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Landrik on December 02, 2013, 07:52:30 pm
Yeah, the sack of potatoes thing is what I do most of the time. If I want to get wounded I try to think it all out in my head first:

1. Get shot at
2. Jump like something bit me and try and get cover or hide a bit
3. Blood loss slips in and I stumble a bit
4. Fall over like if I fainted
5. Move around a bit like in a daze

or

1. Get shot at
2. Immediate pain so loud yelling, etc.
   a. Get shot again
   b. Crawl back
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Dan the Seagull Chef on December 02, 2013, 08:21:31 pm
I was doing a roman reenactment and I took the "Going town like a sack of potatoes" a little far I guess. I was a Gaul and I took a shield bash to the face. I got a broken nose and got knocked out. No one realized I got knocked out until 30 minutes later. The battle ended in 15.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: DeoVindice61 on December 02, 2013, 09:24:22 pm
Ouch...

When its time for me to go down. I like to take 10 step forward holding my neck with shocked face and spin round slowly as i fall into seizure then its like slamming me with a fry pan i stop ice cold. Very realstic, many years of studying hollywood.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Landrik on December 03, 2013, 02:43:56 pm
Hey Dan, that's what I call taking a hit, haha!

Hollywood Hits are very fun.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Millander on December 04, 2013, 07:10:07 pm
Whats annoying about my club is your not allowed to fall forward in front of the line when you take a hit. It takes allot of the fun out of it.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: GodsonGuys on December 04, 2013, 11:33:05 pm
Could you guys show me some videos or descriptions on the best way to fall after a hit?
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: DeoVindice61 on December 04, 2013, 11:37:19 pm
Quote from: GodsonGuys on December 04, 2013, 11:33:05 pm
Could you guys show me some videos or descriptions on the best way to fall after a hit?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7gNHaTFYeY[/youtube]
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: GodsonGuys on December 04, 2013, 11:40:36 pm
Quote from: DeoVindice61 on December 04, 2013, 11:37:19 pm
Quote from: GodsonGuys on December 04, 2013, 11:33:05 pm
Could you guys show me some videos or descriptions on the best way to fall after a hit?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7gNHaTFYeY[/youtube]

Every shot brought him back to life....
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Riddlez on December 05, 2013, 05:02:07 pm
Quote from: GodsonGuys on December 04, 2013, 11:40:36 pm
Quote from: DeoVindice61 on December 04, 2013, 11:37:19 pm
Quote from: GodsonGuys on December 04, 2013, 11:33:05 pm
Could you guys show me some videos or descriptions on the best way to fall after a hit?

Spoiler
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7gNHaTFYeY[/youtube]
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Every shot brought him back to life....

Imagine 20 guys in a row doing this...
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Duuring on December 05, 2013, 05:27:26 pm
At one re-enactment, a French bloke took a hit and fell down screaming. And kept screaming. And screaming. He twisted around, clawed at his mates, until eventually his captain poked him with his sabre and 'finished him off'. It looked awesome xD
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Thomas Gordon Baker on December 09, 2013, 10:00:05 am
When I am hit I tend to be very un-dramatic.

This is my rule of thumb for different styles of Re-enactment
Civil War- If in face/head
  Grab face and fall forward
  Snap head back and fall
Torso- may fall backward or forward depending on where I'm hit I may twist
When charging I trip

WW1- Usually when heavily laden with my P08 equipment I will fall to my knees, fall forward, or fall to the side

Artillery-I let the concussion do most of the job

Occasionally I will scream but usually I just plain out die not much for getting wounded.

The way I cry and pluck at my comrades would make them want to mercy kill me in real life I decided if I get hit I die a few years ago at Shiloh. I tried playing wounded and and cracked a rib falling back into a tree the branch broke it like a twig. From then on in open combat I just die
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Duuring on December 09, 2013, 11:12:35 am
I'm invincible.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: zac on December 09, 2013, 11:15:07 am
Thats the spirit
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: AeroNinja on December 09, 2013, 11:16:01 am
Seppuku (切腹)
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Dan the Seagull Chef on December 09, 2013, 06:02:07 pm
Quote from: CryPteX on December 09, 2013, 11:16:01 am
Seppuku (切腹)
Middle of the battlefield, 3 lads run out to set up for your seppuku.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Thomas Gordon Baker on December 09, 2013, 07:38:00 pm
Seppuku? That's pretty heavy for a re-enactment, slowly disemboweling yourself as your friend mercifully removes your head.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Duuring on December 09, 2013, 11:56:17 pm
That's why invincibility is the best.

#NoHits
#NoDeath
#FullEventEnjoyment
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Landrik on December 10, 2013, 10:27:49 pm
Quote from: Duuring on December 09, 2013, 11:56:17 pm
That's why invincibility is the best.

#NoHits
#NoDeath
#FullEventEnjoyment

Fall in a hole, please.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Duuring on December 10, 2013, 10:35:55 pm
Quote from: Landrik on December 10, 2013, 10:27:49 pm
Quote from: Duuring on December 09, 2013, 11:56:17 pm
That's why invincibility is the best.

#NoHits
#NoDeath
#FullEventEnjoyment

Fall in a hole, please.

I'm on a horse. So no  :P
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: GodsonGuys on December 10, 2013, 10:58:15 pm
Quote from: Duuring on December 10, 2013, 10:35:55 pm
Quote from: Landrik on December 10, 2013, 10:27:49 pm
Quote from: Duuring on December 09, 2013, 11:56:17 pm
That's why invincibility is the best.

#NoHits
#NoDeath
#FullEventEnjoyment

Fall in a hole, please.



I'm on a horse. So no  :P

Yeah.. what happens when you "die" n a horse. do you fall off, or ride off. And do you ever enact your horse dying underneath you?
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Ililsa on December 10, 2013, 11:17:32 pm
The point is, cavalry just don't die, it's much safer for them and their mounts that way.

Falling off a horse is a pretty decent way to die full stop, and horses don't take falls unless they're trained to do so, like circus horses.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Landrik on December 11, 2013, 03:47:27 am
I've seen people just lay their torso down and have their horse trot away while still maintaining control.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: George385 on December 11, 2013, 05:10:43 am
in my medieval group, we have so much fun with this.

this year at a public fair, i did a lord of the rings death and took like 10 mins to die XD
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: DeoVindice61 on December 11, 2013, 05:24:06 am
Saw a guy "die"at Gettysburg and his horse nearly ran over the spectators as it galloped away.  I would rather the cavs to be superheroes or just take a nap on the saddle please.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Duuring on December 11, 2013, 10:43:10 am
Quote from: Landrik on December 11, 2013, 03:47:27 am
I've seen people just lay their torso down and have their horse trot away while still maintaining control.

Yeah, that's the best we can do. Problem is that we have people who do that and not maintain control.

You can take lessons in falling safe out of the saddle, but the problem will always be that you have to abandon your horse, and that's just a no-no. Your horse, your responsibility.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Barnesy on April 05, 2014, 01:21:45 pm
The way I die depends on how close to the crowd we are, the further away the less dramatic I'll make it, maybe a drop with a twist clutching my shoulder but ensuring that my rifle doesn't drop to the floor (not gonna drop my baby!)
If i'm near the crowd then I'll make it dramatic, take a hit, start crawling back towards them before succumbing to my wounds etc.
My best death was in the 95th rifles pursuit video where I took a headshot at a run downhill. Cue heavily bruised shoulder (from multiple takes) but a great outcome
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Landrik on April 06, 2014, 05:11:13 am
Good hits will get you bruises, but it's worth it, IMO.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 06, 2014, 06:00:55 am
At a tactical, I got shot and I somehow decided to be wounded. Sat back dazed and calling out my kameraden to help and shaking slightly to death. It was awkward the way my leg bend back sideway and my back on gas mask canister and I woke up violently since I didn't expect a Gruppe charging over me and firing mp40 and k98. Boy that sure did hurt my ears.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Ililsa on April 06, 2014, 06:02:20 am
Done a few exercises on taking hits with my group now.

Jerk back your shoulder for arm blows, stagger and whip your head back after taking a head shot (never pre-empt the hit, though, or you look like a knob and risk having a sword in the eye), stagger for leg hits and bend over the sword for stabs or cuts across the belly.

Pretty simple. Finishers are usually a pommel to the helmet or a (pulled) kick in the ribs depending on how you want to fall.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Barnesy on April 06, 2014, 03:40:54 pm
Quote from: Landrik on April 06, 2014, 05:11:13 am
Good hits will get you bruises, but it's worth it, IMO.
Definitely
At the end of the day, you gotta die safe, and not just making yourself safe, but ensuring that those around you aren't gonna be in any danger when you die! The most scary death I've been part of so far was at an event where myself, our officer and another rifleman were sent ahead to scout and then blown up... my officer flung himself backwards and let go of his sword, which ended up point down in the ground, about 2 foot from my head
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Landrik on April 07, 2014, 12:54:52 am
Well if you've got pointy bits of course one should take care.

However, I see that ACW reenacting is fucking STRANGLED by safety regulations. I agree with the common sense ones, but we're at a point where it's fucking toxic. Makes me want to just be in a skirmisher unit and just fuck off from everyone else. I've gotten yelled at for laying on my rifle, falling in front of the line, or shooting at artillerymen from 50m out. It's fucking nuts.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Barnesy on April 07, 2014, 07:04:23 pm
Yeah, within our unit safety is paramount, but it doesn't come at the expense of having fun. We can happily say that our weapons safety accreditations are the best in the Napoleonic Association (to the point where the Safety stuff is based on us), but that on the field we maximise the fun we have. Common sense stuff like, not engaging in melee when you're loaded, not firing directly at someone's face, but firing above their head on the off chance there's something in the barrel that could actually do some damage are what makes us great!
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: munky-wunky on April 10, 2014, 02:32:04 pm
Here's a tip for Rebs and ww2 Americans! Take a ducking hit!!!!! Nobody likes Rambos
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: kpetschulat on April 10, 2014, 02:40:36 pm
I haven't been to an event yet (My first event is Odessa, NY April 25th-27th), but I plan on being the biggest overactor this hobby has seen. I'll have people questioning themselves using live rounds... It'll be THAT believable. Omfg, taking hits is what I'm DIEING for. I'm going to cry for my Mother like no one has cried for their Mother before!

Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: munky-wunky on April 10, 2014, 02:46:45 pm
you gonna get all the real medics hopping all over you boy! Naw totally go for it, it really makes the event much better.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 10, 2014, 05:05:29 pm
Attaboy. But be sure to make them Americans pay for it. I really find most US reenactors annoying as fuck. I fire single round and other guy just fired all rounds in his garand at me. -_- way to waste your ammo idiots.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Barnesy on April 10, 2014, 09:11:45 pm
Quote from: kpetschulat on April 10, 2014, 02:40:36 pm
I haven't been to an event yet (My first event is Odessa, NY April 25th-27th), but I plan on being the biggest overactor this hobby has seen. I'll have people questioning themselves using live rounds... It'll be THAT believable. Omfg, taking hits is what I'm DIEING for. I'm going to cry for my Mother like no one has cried for their Mother before!
At Wollaton Hall last year we'd planned that I would take a headshot but survive, (there's accounts of a guy in the 95th getting shot in the head, the force of the ball grazing across his forehead permanently turned his head one way, until Waterloo where it happened again but the opposite way giving him normal neck movement) and to make it real our surgeon gave me a blood pack to burst when I got shot. This happened without a hitch, blood pack burst, over hands, hands over face, get taken to the rear... en route, our CO Maj. Chumley (who knew about it) got really worried cause it looked so real, so we reassured him it was fake, but because of the stir it'd got him into, all the Brigade Command came dashing over to me in a blind panic as they thought that the SOP's had been breached. The very nearly stopped the skirmish because of it. Luckily they didn't as they realised I was just play acting!
So just a word to the wise, being overdramatic looks good, but be VERY careful as it can backfire if people don't realise it's fake
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Olafson on April 10, 2014, 10:29:23 pm
Oh god, that sounds like a terrible idea to do.
You should really inform EVERYONE before doing that. Be happy that they did not call the ambulance or anything.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Duuring on April 10, 2014, 11:08:56 pm
Quote from: Barnesy on April 10, 2014, 09:11:45 pm
there's accounts of a guy in the 95th getting shot in the head, the force of the ball grazing across his forehead permanently turned his head one way, until Waterloo where it happened again but the opposite way giving him normal neck movement

That sounds like awfully lot like one big myth.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: kpetschulat on April 11, 2014, 12:57:19 am
Was thinking the same myself... That doesn't seem likely. It's like winning the lottery... Oh, wait. :o
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Duuring on April 11, 2014, 12:58:48 am
Besides a bullet being very much incapable of permanently turning someone's head one way without killing said person, I'm pretty sure that in the unlikely event some poor sod did have that happen to him, he would be entirely useless to the army and thus discharged.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 11, 2014, 01:11:26 am
Or the poor sod is a wimp. A typical genes in Englishmen

Hehehehe
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: zac on April 11, 2014, 01:52:03 am
Haha...we used pork once on someone, then got the surgeon to burn it as if it was an open wound, crowd was shocked
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Barnesy on April 11, 2014, 10:41:35 am
Quote from: Duuring on April 10, 2014, 11:08:56 pm
Quote from: Barnesy on April 10, 2014, 09:11:45 pm
there's accounts of a guy in the 95th getting shot in the head, the force of the ball grazing across his forehead permanently turned his head one way, until Waterloo where it happened again but the opposite way giving him normal neck movement

That sounds like awfully lot like one big myth.

Despite the fact that it's documented in several memoirs of the time, of course it's one big myth...
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Duuring on April 11, 2014, 10:51:15 am
Show me then. I'm still not convinced that's physically possible.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: joer5835 on April 11, 2014, 04:24:10 pm
Quote from: Duuring on April 11, 2014, 10:51:15 am
Show me then. I'm still not convinced that's physically possible.

Give me your adress, and I'll arrange a complete.....test..

All in the name of science and knowledge. May the father of understanding guide us.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: kpetschulat on April 11, 2014, 04:32:12 pm
Anyone have any cool videos of reenactor deaths?
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 11, 2014, 04:42:09 pm
Spoiler
http://youtu.be/tO1deJqNTYQ
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You can see men falling from volley near end.

Spoiler
http://youtu.be/xDPZOOryRtc
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Louisiana Tigers get mauled by Federal Zouaves
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: kpetschulat on April 11, 2014, 05:38:20 pm
Quote from: DeoVindice61 on April 11, 2014, 04:42:09 pm
Spoiler
http://youtu.be/xDPZOOryRtc
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Louisiana Tigers get mauled by Federal Zouaves

I love at 3:02 in that video how the colonel gets shot (good death act!), the rest of those Zouaves start scrambling about and getting picked off. THAT'S what attracts me to this hobby. I really wanted to do ACW originally, but decided against it. The more I see good videos like this with the Zouaves, the more I regret not doing ACW. :'(
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Duuring on April 11, 2014, 05:51:51 pm
Me too, then I note the legion of fat men and the lack of cavalry, and I'm happy again.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: joer5835 on April 11, 2014, 05:53:08 pm
And no navy men.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: kpetschulat on April 11, 2014, 06:04:48 pm
It's my dream to do Napoleonic, but it's going to have to wait until I move back to Germany next year or the year after. Napoleonic reenacting in the US is terrible. There's only a handful of groups, they're spread all over the country, and the events only have like 20 guys (both "teams" included).
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Duuring on April 11, 2014, 06:30:00 pm
What would you like to do? What impression?
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: kpetschulat on April 11, 2014, 06:45:52 pm
Number 1 impression has to be the "1. Sturmdivision 'Duuring Boven!'"

If I was far more slim, and had a horse, I'd totally do Hussar. However, I look at the cavalry in reenacting and it looks dull. My biggest pick for infantry would be some sort of grenadier (preferably French or Russian) since I'm a fucking monolith, would be silly to do a fusilier, jaeger, or voltiguer at my height and size. But, I think if I did Napoleonic reenacting, I'd go with whatever group is fairly large (not one of those groups with like five musketeers and a colonel), strives for accuracy, and is active in the continental EU (I'm not going to take a flight or boat to UK just to reenact).
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: joer5835 on April 11, 2014, 06:47:19 pm
A big, strong guy like yourself would make a fine Highlander.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: kpetschulat on April 11, 2014, 06:49:48 pm
I like skirts and all, but I'm not fond of the British uniforms of the time. I don't like the beet red color.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: joer5835 on April 11, 2014, 06:52:58 pm
In that case, try the Imperial Guard.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: kpetschulat on April 11, 2014, 06:55:01 pm
Too mainstream, no?
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 11, 2014, 06:58:17 pm
The cavalry was actually at Gaines mill, no one was allowed to take hit in first few minute due to planned cavalry swarm in middle. Nobody give a fuck about them And edited them out Hehe. 

Edit: also navy men are in their correct position. The fucking sea!  :P
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Vincenzo on April 11, 2014, 09:09:12 pm
Kpetschulat, do you talk French/Dutch/German/Italian?

I found this website in the USA, listing all american Napoleonic groups;
http://brigade-napoleon.org/

21e is obviously a noteworthy one here, they attend Euro events once a year.. :)
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Duuring on April 11, 2014, 10:20:34 pm
Whoah, whoah. Duuring gotta step in right here, right now

Quote from: kpetschulat on April 11, 2014, 06:45:52 pm
If I was far more slim, and had a horse, I'd totally do Hussar. However, I look at the cavalry in reenacting and it looks dull.

Dull? We have to maintain control of animals that could easily drop us if they wanted to, keep them in formation, change formations while keeping the line dressed. Even in the attack we have to keep our formation - Keeping a group of horses next to each other in full gallop is basically impossible, yet we have to try. And then we have to face someone in the attack - Be it other cavarly, infantry or even artillery. Dull? No sir-eh.

Quote from: kpetschulat on April 11, 2014, 06:55:01 pm
Too mainstream, no?

Yep. Plus guard troops usually are cocky as fuck, to the point where they refuse to built camp next to line troops. Yes, that has happened at least once.

Quote from: DeoVindice61 on April 11, 2014, 06:58:17 pm
Edit: also navy men are in their correct position. The fucking sea!  :P

Not in the Napoleonics.


Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 11, 2014, 10:29:25 pm
Cuz no one in napoleonic has balls like the Moh-Reens.

Petsch, you're better off reenacting Rev War or 1812 than napoleonic in US. The events are kinda waste of time and money.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Duuring on April 11, 2014, 10:36:19 pm
Quote from: DeoVindice61 on April 11, 2014, 10:29:25 pm
Cuz no one in napoleonic has balls like the Moh-Reens.

Petsch, you're better off reenacting Rev War or 1812 than napoleonic in US. The events are kinda waste of time and money.

Muric-eens, you mean?

And he said he's only do Napoleonics in Europa, du silly Amerikaner!
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 11, 2014, 10:43:58 pm
No, it's Moh-reens as US Marines.

Oh in Europe? Get yo ass in duuring unit petsch.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: kpetschulat on April 11, 2014, 10:47:34 pm
Quote from: Vincenzo on April 11, 2014, 09:09:12 pm
Kpetschulat, do you talk French/Dutch/German/Italian?

I found this website in the USA, listing all american Napoleonic groups;
http://brigade-napoleon.org/

21e is obviously a noteworthy one here, they attend Euro events once a year.. :)

I am German and speak German very well. Moved here to the US when I was very young. As for the site, I have seen that before, thanks for puttingt here, I'm going to give it another look through.

Quote from: Duuring on April 11, 2014, 10:20:34 pm
Whoah, whoah. Duuring gotta step in right here, right now

Quote from: kpetschulat on April 11, 2014, 06:45:52 pm
If I was far more slim, and had a horse, I'd totally do Hussar. However, I look at the cavalry in reenacting and it looks dull.

Dull? We have to maintain control of animals that could easily drop us if they wanted to, keep them in formation, change formations while keeping the line dressed. Even in the attack we have to keep our formation - Keeping a group of horses next to each other in full gallop is basically impossible, yet we have to try. And then we have to face someone in the attack - Be it other cavarly, infantry or even artillery. Dull? No sir-eh.

I didn't mean to offend. I understand there is a lot of technical things that make cavalry fun, but I just find infantry so much more appealing.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Duuring on April 11, 2014, 11:05:46 pm
Oh, don't worry, none taken. Just wanted to make my point clear.  :P

Cavalry really is another kind of impression. Where's for infantry you can always fit in, cavalry is a bit harder. I do plan to do an infantry impression, but first I have to collect more of the cavalry stuff. My group has no problem with members being in different groups and going to the same events as them, as long as you're clear who you are with at that event. But I would like to get more gear before I do anything extra. And I'll probably wait until I can get a musket.

You see, there's this group going to the (2nd) Nassau-Usingen regiment...and the uniform...God...so...sexy.....
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: kpetschulat on April 11, 2014, 11:06:59 pm
All of a sudden, I want to do a Nassau Jaeger impression.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Duuring on April 11, 2014, 11:08:00 pm
Nicht Jäger. Leichte Kompanie.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: kpetschulat on April 11, 2014, 11:11:28 pm
Even better! Fuck rifles.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Duuring on April 11, 2014, 11:14:09 pm
People keep messing up the Nassau Volunteer Jager Company with the light companies of the two regular regiments.

Regardless, both the 2nd and the Volunteer company carried Brown Bess muskets.

Edit, nope, sorry, checked it, the volunteer company did not receive Brown Bess muskets.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Olafson on April 11, 2014, 11:23:29 pm
2nd Nassau-Usingen regiment ? I think I got some tabletop/wargaming figures of them here. Never painted on them though.

Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.1789-1815.com%2Fimages%2FPlanches%2FW02_50.gif&hash=bd8e8db98189c02c4ccb54caf78b04a431360adf)
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Do their Uniforms look like that?
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Duuring on April 11, 2014, 11:44:23 pm
Yep. The uniform with the veste (old model). The Leichte Kompanie, which this group is going to re-enact, had a very simple Jäger horn as shakoplate.

People always picture them with French or German muskets, but I've found clear documentation of the issuing of Brown Bess muskets to the 2nd Nassau.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Olafson on April 12, 2014, 06:34:26 pm
Maybe they had a mix of muskets, taking anything they had in stock?
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: joer5835 on April 12, 2014, 07:36:49 pm
Maybe it's just me, but they look better with white pants than they do with green ones.
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Duuring on April 12, 2014, 11:23:51 pm
Quote from: Olafson™ on April 12, 2014, 06:34:26 pm
Maybe they had a mix of muskets, taking anything they had in stock?

Nope. The 2nd Nassau was not a new regiment and it had no shortage of muskets. But during the Waterloo campaign it was part of the NL field-army, and in May it was ordered that all should be armed with British muskets because having two different calibers would simply be too confusing, logistic-wise. Goedecke, Colonel-Brigadier of the 2nd, refused to give up his muskets because the muskets were property of the Duke of Nassau, not of the Dutch Government. He eventually agreed to the change after he was promised that he would not be held responsible.

Quote from: joer5835 on April 12, 2014, 07:36:49 pm
Maybe it's just me, but they look better with white pants than they do with green ones.

Nope. Just you.  :P
Title: Re: Tips on the Art of Death
Post by: Coconut on May 02, 2014, 01:47:00 pm
killing is the sweetest thing there is