US Politics thread

[junedragon]

So? That's sorta the nature of regions. They differ. You also differ from your neighbour, but you don't claim that you are entiteled to four times his voting power.

Your words betray your lack of knowledge of the history of the United States/States' rights.

The founders werent idiots, they aptly realized a federalist system was the best fit for the scope and diversity of the US and with their history with tyranny.

pictured: just "regions"

[BabyJesus]

So? That's sorta the nature of regions. They differ. You also differ from your neighbour, but you don't claim that you are entiteled to four times his voting power.

Your words betray your lack of knowledge of the history of the United States/States' rights.

The founders werent idiots, they aptly realized a federalist system was the best fit for the scope and diversity of the US and with their history with tyranny.

pictured: just "regions"

apoc o no! You revealed trumpsbplan to the EUs!

[junedragon]

So? That's sorta the nature of regions. They differ. You also differ from your neighbour, but you don't claim that you are entiteled to four times his voting power.

Your words betray your lack of knowledge of the history of the United States/States' rights.

The founders werent idiots, they aptly realized a federalist system was the best fit for the scope and diversity of the US and with their history with tyranny.

pictured: just "regions"

apoc o no! You revealed trumpsbplan to the EUs!

not apoc u pl3b

[BabyJesus]

So? That's sorta the nature of regions. They differ. You also differ from your neighbour, but you don't claim that you are entiteled to four times his voting power.

Your words betray your lack of knowledge of the history of the United States/States' rights.

The founders werent idiots, they aptly realized a federalist system was the best fit for the scope and diversity of the US and with their history with tyranny.

pictured: just "regions"

apoc o no! You revealed trumpsbplan to the EUs!

not apoc u pl3b

fuk there's too many cats xD

[Grantrithor]

So? That's sorta the nature of regions. They differ. You also differ from your neighbour, but you don't claim that you are entiteled to four times his voting power.

Your words betray your lack of knowledge of the history of the United States/States' rights.

The founders werent idiots, they aptly realized a federalist system was the best fit for the scope and diversity of the US and with their history with tyranny.

pictured: just "regions"

apoc o no! You revealed trumpsbplan to the EUs!

If I knew he was going to terraform europe into the shape of America, I would've been supporting him from day one

[Duuring]

I never argued against a federal system, I argued against the election system of the federal government. You can have a federal system and still have proportional representation, like Germany, Brazil or Switzerland. You are strawmanning my argument.

The least they can do is give out Electoral Votes proportionally per state. I don't think a constitutional change is necessary for that and I don't see why anyone would argue against it. Trump would still have won, if that's what you're afraid of.

[Olafson]

Well talking about Germany it is currently possible for a small "parliament seating" misrepresentation. It has happened before. It is nothing major, but it does exist. I believe the current government is working on changing that though, so that in the future, we have a proper representation in the parliament.

[Duuring]

Yes, you have a 5% electoral treshold, which I would also argue against. Still, that's better then a majority system.

[StevenChilton]

I never argued against a federal system, I argued against the election system of the federal government. You can have a federal system and still have proportional representation, like Germany, Brazil or Switzerland. You are strawmanning my argument.

The least they can do is give out Electoral Votes proportionally per state. I don't think a constitutional change is necessary for that and I don't see why anyone would argue against it. Trump would still have won, if that's what you're afraid of.

It's up to the states to proportion their EC votes fairly, nobody's currently stopping them from doing it, and that's probably the best solution. The big stumbling block to that however is actually the Democratic party as they have a big inbuilt advantage under the Electoral College system. I can't see Democrats in New York or California allowing that to go through their state legislatures. For the same reason at a federal level they'd also try to block any popular vote system.

[Duuring]

You do realize that the Republicans currently control 32 state legislatures, right?

[BabyJesus]

You do realize that the Republicans currently control 32 state legislatures, right?

and they still lost the popular vote

[StevenChilton]

You do realize that the Republicans currently control 32 state legislatures, right?

But not in California or New York they don't. So why would Texas Republicans allow part of their state's EC votes to go Democrat if big Democratic states won't return the favour? That would just hand the Dems an even bigger EC advantage than they already have. I think this needs to be sorted out at a federal level, and if Trump had any sense he'd make it a priority and let the Democrats embarrass themselves by trying to oppose a fairer voting system. It would give him a legacy plus boost Republican electoral chances.

[Olafson]

But trump just won due to that system, why would he try to change it?

[StevenChilton]

He would have still won if all states gave out their EC votes proportionally. And who knows if he would have lost on a popular vote contest-how many Republicans bother to turn out in safe states like California or New York? And like he said himself he would have spent more time campaigning in those places if the system was different. But I think he will change it if he has any sense-it would split the Democrats plus make it easier for Republicans to win in the Electoral College since the biggest states usually go blue.

[Grantrithor]

But trump just won due to that system, why would he try to change it?

because _{trump is a democrat}