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XXte?
« on: November 28, 2013, 06:38:23 am »
So I understand what it is. But on translation sites, and forums the Germans used either Nr.XX or straight up XX. How did XXte come into play? I would just like a simple elaboration.

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Re: XXte?
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2013, 06:56:35 am »
XXte for what ?

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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2013, 07:19:56 am »
Using full number designations as names is unofficial. 1te, 2tes, 3te, etc. That's just a way of saying First, Second, or Third. Regiments were designated, by Prussian standards, as:

[Regiment Designation Number from Region][Region Name][Troop Type and Size][Regiment Name, if applicable][Regiment Number in the Army, if applicable] For Example (1815):

1. (1st Ostpreussisches) Grenadier-Regiment And, for the sake of the example... "Karl von Karlson", Nr. 1

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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2013, 02:37:00 pm »
It's the same as 1st (first) 2nd Second and 3rd (third)

But in German, it's different:

1te (erste) 2te (zweite) 3te (dritte)

You have it in all languages, it's the same as in French

15éme (quinziéme) 84e (quatre-vingt quatriéme)
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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2013, 04:01:33 pm »
1te (erste) 2te (zweites) 3te (dritte)

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Re: XXte?
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2013, 06:39:42 pm »
1te (erste) 2te (zweites) 3te (dritte)
thats not right, when it is followed by a femininum noun (like Garde) ist erste, zweite , dritte, when followed by a neuter (like Regiment) it is erstes zweites drittes and when followed by a masculine noun it is erster, zweiter, dritter.
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Re: XXte?
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2013, 07:47:59 pm »
And, if you look above at my example, I used a regiment, so it would be 2tes.

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Re: XXte?
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2013, 09:18:57 pm »
but not erste and dritte
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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2013, 10:41:57 pm »
It's a real bitch in German. Though you understand me. That's what counts.
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Re: XXte?
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2013, 07:45:25 am »
Weren't the provincial named not added until 1816?

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Re: XXte?
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2013, 09:44:09 am »
Like, of regiments?
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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2013, 04:53:56 pm »
Weren't the provincial named not added until 1816?

Isn't NW based in 1816? :P

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Re: XXte?
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2013, 09:35:28 pm »
I think NW is 1812-14, maybe even 15.
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Re: XXte?
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2013, 10:51:18 pm »
Vincenzo himself has confirmed that the setting is 1812-1815

And on Duuring's statement, I can't really find any evidence to support the Provincial names not being added until 1816. I mean, I haven't put several hours into it yet, just saying that thus far, it seems as though the Prussian infantry at Waterloo used their provincial names. Although, it could be an unofficial thing because I typically find that the names of the province are in parentheses meaning it might not actually have been in the name officially. Like if I were to say 7de (Belgische) Bataljon Infanterie Van Linie or 7de (Zuid-Nederlandse) Bataljon Infanterie Van Linie. It may not have ever been officially used, but they were a "Belgische" or "Zuid-Nederlandse" unit and officers do refer to them as Southern-Dutch or Belgian in their writings. So my assumption is that the provincial names might not have been "officially" added in 1815 but they were probably used unofficially. I'm not sure if I made any sense so if anybody needs any clarification just ask.

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« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2013, 11:52:17 am »
Possibly. I just remembered something about the provincial names in 1816.

The NL army isn't the Prussian army, and you can't compare them. As for the NL army, they were referred to by their number, and often (but not always) with the addition Zuid-Nederlands or Noord-Nederlands. Militia were, because of the absense of the Belgian militia, simply referred to by '(Number) bataljon Nationale Militie'.

The term 'Southern Dutch' as far as I know never existed in French, and so French-speakers referred to that as 'Belge'.
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