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Title: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Skyz on March 28, 2013, 02:58:20 am
This is all you need from 84e.
Spoiler
http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/578984944699585432/5D8260E2842642DC7CAA644BE4AE8DFBFF0815F2/
[close]
Other shit happened from James Stewart and some other people.

It was on NA 1
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from 84e, 91st, 92nd, etc.
Post by: Fields on March 28, 2013, 03:02:56 am
Yep, only server I play on and they permabanned a bunch of people...including me. No reason at all but a group of people were abusing admin, possibly hacked it. Doubt I'll be unbanned. This blows...
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from 84e, 91st, 92nd, etc.
Post by: McEwan on March 28, 2013, 03:05:29 am
Locked until investigation is completed.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from 84e, 91st, 92nd, etc.
Post by: Blobmania on March 28, 2013, 03:11:12 am
We're currently investigating this issue. Rest assured that those responsible will be dealt with, and those people who've been banned in this episode will be unbanned as a priority.

Regards,

Blob
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from 84e, 91st, 92nd, etc.
Post by: Deofuta on March 28, 2013, 03:11:46 am
Hello Folks!

Through either current or ex administrators, the administrative password was released to certain individuals. These individuals assumed the tags you saw and came onto the server, and immediately began abusing. The servers were promptly shut down and restarted with new administrative passwords. As far as I can tell, the servers should now be secure. I removed all bans that were placed by the fake administrators. If you are still unable to connect to the server let me know.

Thanks, sorry for the momentary interruption in game play.

As of now I can give no accurate statement as to who it was that did this. I highly doubt that anyone would be ignorant enough to do this with their own tags, especially when the regiments you list have been at each others throats for some time. Because of this I have altered the title heading to reflect the reality of the situation.


Thread unlocked, feel free to discuss the ramifications. I will be launching an investigation to determine the ones who did this. I'll let everyone know my findings when I get them.

My last statement. I am incredibly disappointed in whichever administrator or ex administrator decided to comprise their integrity to launch this silly scheme. When I find the person responsible, I will be sure to report your name and actions to the community, as well as any server owner who would care to add your ID's to their banlists. We take our players enjoyment very seriously, and to tread on something that you volunteered to protect is loathsome.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Gokiller on March 28, 2013, 03:23:26 am
Who ever did this should be community banned.

- Side note.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Deofuta on March 28, 2013, 03:26:57 am
Who ever did this should be community banned.

- Side note.

As the community manager, that is hopefully something I can try to accomplish.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Hadhod on March 28, 2013, 03:27:43 am
I was on the server when it happened and immediately talked to Tavington (the real 91st_Col_James_Stewart) and Aldemar (the real 84e_Col-Aldemar) if they were on the server which both denied. Since none of they was in game at the time I am pretty sure it were impersonators.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Menelaos on March 28, 2013, 03:30:39 am
I was immediately messaged after the incident by Tavington regarding "If I like smelly vagina" a reference that was thrown at me in the incident. He then was seen in spec in NA 1 after the reset then promptly left. During this time he entered the 60th teamspeak and was harrasing members before a ban. Through his short steam conversation he claimed that "I am a troll". I see nothing but a direct correlation and ban on all official servers indefinitely.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Fields on March 28, 2013, 03:31:27 am
Thanks for the quick response.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 28, 2013, 03:34:22 am
I was immediately messaged after the incident by Tavington regarding "If I like smelly vagina" a reference that was thrown at me in the incident. He then was seen in spec in NA 1 after the reset then promptly left. During this time he entered the 60th teamspeak and was harrasing members before a ban. Through his short steam conversation he claimed that "I am a troll". I see nothing but a direct correlation and ban on all official servers indefinitely.

Please think about what you're saying before you take the time to type out drivel like that. How does him insulting you have anything to do with him mass-banning people on NA1? And why would he go onto NA_1 with his tags directly after the server reset? That makes no sense whatsoever and it sounds to me like you're just overly anxious to see him banned.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Menelaos on March 28, 2013, 03:37:36 am
Here's some things that further support my claim


I'm not trying to overly anxious try to have him banned, I'm describing the punishment for the offenders. And an offender I would believe to be Tavington.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Getty on March 28, 2013, 03:39:20 am
I think we are all agreed a public hanging is in order!
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 28, 2013, 03:41:26 am
There are hundreds of people who hate FSE and live in the EU area. And him messaging you is probably unrelated. I hope you don't think you're a special snowflake because he sent you an insulting message. Overall pretty weak evidence.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Blobmania on March 28, 2013, 03:42:26 am
We have ways to track down the offender, despite the fact that they seem to have used a new game key (£10 simply to troll? Really?). Once we've ascertained who it was, we'll let you all know. Until then, however, there is no use to throwing accusations at one another.

Until you know for certain who actually did this, I'd appreciate it if we could all stick to discussing the incident itself, and not speculating on the perpetrator. If you've got any solid evidence regarding this issue, please send it to either myself of Deofuta, and we'll see it gets dealt with.

Regards,


Blobmania "The Badmin"
FSE Moderation Staff
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Menelaos on March 28, 2013, 03:48:04 am
There are hundreds of people who hate FSE and live in the EU area. And him messaging you is probably unrelated. I hope you don't think you're a special snowflake because he sent you an insulting message. Overall pretty weak evidence.
A pretty unneeded comment, nice edit. You can disagree and I have my opinions.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Rere on March 28, 2013, 03:57:34 am
Im on US 1 right now and there arent any problems.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 28, 2013, 03:59:34 am
There are hundreds of people who hate FSE and live in the EU area. And him messaging you is probably unrelated. I hope you don't think you're a special snowflake because he sent you an insulting message. Overall pretty weak evidence.
A pretty unneeded comment, nice edit. You can disagree and I have my opinions.

Your opinion is always objectively wrong.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Windbusche on March 28, 2013, 04:14:27 am
How? He was simply trying to help unveil who was truly behind it, and for all we know it COULD HAVE been Tav.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 28, 2013, 04:31:19 am
He was saying there was pretty much definitive proof in "his eyes" (durr) that Tavington was the culprit. I already talked to Tavington and he said he had nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Windbusche on March 28, 2013, 04:37:10 am
So right now it's Mene's word vs Tav's word, basically.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Deofuta on March 28, 2013, 04:40:32 am
I would disregard any ideas of who it was unless you have logs to back it up.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 28, 2013, 04:44:00 am
So right now it's Mene's word vs Tav's word, basically.
Person accusing someone with no proof or evidence versus someone defending themselves in a steam chat. Oh boy, I wonder who's more trustworthy.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: nicknick12 on March 28, 2013, 04:47:54 am
Why you guys think its Tavaington  even if it seem to be him but have ever throught we think it him because of the past what happen. It might be some give admin to wrong person or was drunk or something   :-\
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: kpetschulat on March 28, 2013, 04:51:05 am
So right now it's Mene's word vs Tav's word, basically.
Person accusing someone with no proof or evidence versus someone defending themselves in a steam chat. Oh boy, I wonder who's more trustworthy.

Are you a legitimate dumbass? Menelaos said he was slandered by Tavington with the same phrases that the "abuse admin" used... Also, there's a thread around with Elliot/Emma (AKA Betty), where "he" recorded a youtube of him hacking into the 84e Siege server, and abusing admin powers. Elliot has a known reputation for being a total troll, buying multiple keys, and hating the guts of Aldemar and Tavington. I'm trying to find the post from Elliot, but I have a feeling it's him, since the incident happened to with him.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 28, 2013, 04:52:07 am
So right now it's Mene's word vs Tav's word, basically.
Person accusing someone with no proof or evidence versus someone defending themselves in a steam chat. Oh boy, I wonder who's more trustworthy.

Are you a legitimate dumbass? Menelaos said he was slandered by Tavington with the same phrases that the "abuse admin" used... Also, there's a thread around with Elliot/Emma (AKA Betty), where "he" recorded a youtube of him hacking into the 84e Siege server, and abusing admin powers. Elliot has a known reputation for being a total troll, buying multiple keys, and hating the guts of Aldemar and Tavington. I'm trying to find the post from Elliot, but I have a feeling it's him, since the incident happened to with him.

This post gave me cancer.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: kpetschulat on March 28, 2013, 04:53:34 am
Then, I hope it kills you.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 28, 2013, 04:54:55 am
Oh my, that was quite insulting. I think you were the culprit, and I have definitive evidence right in front of me. I think you should delete your post or prepare to face the consequences of the internet police.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Megaberna on March 28, 2013, 04:55:06 am
Then, I hope it kills you.

Incoming warning/mute!
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Hadhod on March 28, 2013, 04:55:47 am
Guys stop it. Don't forget the forum rules.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: kpetschulat on March 28, 2013, 04:57:52 am
Then, I hope it kills you.

Incoming warning/mute!

I doubt it. I'm backing Menelaos on this, because his points make sense. If the imposter who banned people said the same phrases to Menelaos in the TS, doesn't that make you think, "Huh... It's very possible Tavington was the culprit..."
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 28, 2013, 04:59:05 am
Then, I hope it kills you.

Incoming warning/mute!

I think a community ban would be more appropriate. I'm quite upset after reading his post and I'm considering suicide. I'm going to call the suicide hotline and tell them that this boy keptshuchasd or whatever his name is cyberbullied me into killing myself, and then the story will be on FOX news and you will die of AIDS.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Megaberna on March 28, 2013, 05:01:17 am
Guys stop it. Don't forget the forum rules.

Hadhod showing dat wannabe moderator badge! Ohh yeah!
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: kpetschulat on March 28, 2013, 05:01:47 am
Then, I hope it kills you.

Incoming warning/mute!

I think a community ban would be more appropriate. I'm quite upset after reading his post and I'm considering suicide. I'm going to call the suicide hotline and tell them that this boy keptshuchasd or whatever his name is cyberbullied me into killing myself, and then the story will be on FOX news and you will die of AIDS.

And, this is why I said you're a dumbass. Stop being a fucking idiot on these forums, and inciting shit that doesn't need to be started. Stop sticking for someone who probably is the culprit, and I think you know it. Swallow you're dam pride, and admit your defeat...

Btw: https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=4224.0
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Megaberna on March 28, 2013, 05:03:08 am
Then, I hope it kills you.

Incoming warning/mute!

I think a community ban would be more appropriate. I'm quite upset after reading his post and I'm considering suicide. I'm going to call the suicide hotline and tell them that this boy keptshuchasd or whatever his name is cyberbullied me into killing myself, and then the story will be on FOX news and you will die of AIDS.

And, this is why I said you're a dumbass. Stop being a fucking idiot on these forums, and inciting shit that doesn't need to be started. Stop sticking for someone who probably is the culprit, and I think you know it. Swallow you're dam pride, and admit your defeat...

Wow...yeah i support the community ban! Go away evil IQ <10 devil!
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: kpetschulat on March 28, 2013, 05:04:39 am
Lol, Mega... You're another one. Not sure how you got admin in the first place on the official servers, when you've been one of the biggest trolls since MM.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Thunderstormer on March 28, 2013, 05:04:51 am
Cut the insluts and debate the point.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 28, 2013, 05:05:20 am
Then, I hope it kills you.

Incoming warning/mute!

I think a community ban would be more appropriate. I'm quite upset after reading his post and I'm considering suicide. I'm going to call the suicide hotline and tell them that this boy keptshuchasd or whatever his name is cyberbullied me into killing myself, and then the story will be on FOX news and you will die of AIDS.

And, this is why I said you're a dumbass. Stop being a fucking idiot on these forums, and inciting shit that doesn't need to be started. Stop sticking for someone who probably is the culprit, and I think you know it. Swallow you're dam pride, and admit your defeat...

Btw: https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=4224.0

You are very funny. Anyway, I'm submitting my appeal for your community ban to Deofuta and he will undoubtedly accept it because you are cyberbullying me.


Cut the insluts and debate the point.

There is no point. Nobody cares about this except people who are jumping onto the bandwagon because they want to see Tavington banned.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Megaberna on March 28, 2013, 05:07:32 am
Lol, Mega... You're another one. Not sure how you got admin in the first place on the official servers, when you've been one of the biggest trolls since MM.

Don't blame me! Blame the ones who gave me admin if you think i was such a troll.

Let me correct my last post:

IQ<0.1 :D

Nobody cares about this except people who are jumping onto the bandwagon because they want to see Tavington banned.

He is already banned...maybe they want more? Oh wait...there isn't more!
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: PJ on March 28, 2013, 05:07:59 am
This is impossible, Tav wouldn't even want to go on NA 1. He has no reason to and you have nothing to back it up. Nipplestockings continue!
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: kpetschulat on March 28, 2013, 05:08:38 am
I'm done here. Obviously with Nipplestockings and Megaberna together, they're a couple of children trying to please themselves by being idiots, and purposely debating against anything said... If only this forum had an "ignore" option for threads. I don't want to see this pop up for me any longer.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Megaberna on March 28, 2013, 05:09:24 am
I'm done here. Obviously with Nipplestockings and Megaberna together, they're a couple of children trying to please themselves by being idiots, and purposely debating against anything said... If only this forum had an "ignore" option for threads. I don't want to see this pop up for me any longer.

Shameful display.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: PJ on March 28, 2013, 05:09:51 am
I'm done here. Obviously with Nipplestockings and Megaberna together, they're a couple of children trying to please themselves by being idiots, and purposely debating against anything said... If only this forum had an "ignore" option for threads. I don't want to see this pop up for me any longer.

  If you don't like it just get off this thread and stop whining for fucks sake.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 28, 2013, 05:11:27 am
I'm done here. Obviously with Nipplestockings and Megaberna together, they're a couple of children trying to please themselves by being idiots, and purposely debating against anything said... If only this forum had an "ignore" option for threads. I don't want to see this pop up for me any longer.

Maybe you shouldn't have replied to it, then. The only thing you had to contribute to the discussion was your false support for menelaos' false claim.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Hadhod on March 28, 2013, 05:15:13 am
Guys stop it. Don't forget the forum rules.

Hadhod showing dat wannabe moderator badge! Ohh yeah!

Other people (*cough* Megaberna *cough*) would report that post for instigating a fight if I would have posted something like that :p
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: nicknick12 on March 28, 2013, 05:17:57 am
First we are talking about ban not about each other
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Orcaryo on March 28, 2013, 05:28:41 am
I hope whoever it was gets a severe punishment for banning a fellow reg member. Also, this person has possibly broken several rules:
-Impersonation
-Admin abuse(more so even if they are not supposed to have the admin pass)
-Flat out trolling
-...

Hope this person gets a log ban for at least months length and a community mute so he cannot bi*** and complain about how "his friend did it" or "I did not mean to!" I hate people who ruin gaming for others.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Ryno2626 on March 28, 2013, 05:35:03 am
I agree with you Orcaryo
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Thundersnow on March 28, 2013, 07:18:37 am
This is great news! 

I absolutely hated that admin password!   Looking forward to the new one!!  Huzza!
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Smithy on March 28, 2013, 09:09:42 am
This is great news! 

I absolutely hated that admin password!   Looking forward to the new one!!  Huzza!
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: VodkaParty on March 28, 2013, 10:40:53 am
This is all you need from 84e.
Spoiler
http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/578984944699585432/5D8260E2842642DC7CAA644BE4AE8DFBFF0815F2/
[close]
Other shit happened from James Stewart and some other people.

It was on NA 1

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg9.imageshack.us%2Fimg9%2F2516%2F25078406.jpg&hash=fad619e5b53d6322aff2389c40786bc94f8056d4) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/9/25078406.jpg/)


Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Johnston on March 28, 2013, 10:42:12 am
on a side note Rere touched me... i need an adult
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Treble on March 28, 2013, 12:50:55 pm
How about you all shut up, stop arguing about little girls and go back onto the topic. If you have nothing good to say to each other, go say it on steam, not here. Now, off you f*ck
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Karth on March 28, 2013, 12:53:01 pm
I haven't been on NW in past 2 days so who ever was impersonating me on NA 1 will perish!
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Blobmania on March 28, 2013, 12:56:02 pm
We're in the process of investigating at the moment, Karth. Rest assured that we'll be dealing with those responsible as soon as we've finished our investigations.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Gokiller on March 28, 2013, 01:02:08 pm
I hope whoever it was gets a severe punishment for banning a fellow reg member. Also, this person has possibly broken several rules:
-Impersonation
-Admin abuse(more so even if they are not supposed to have the admin pass)
-Flat out trolling
-...

Hope this person gets a log ban for at least months length and a community mute so he cannot bi*** and complain about how "his friend did it" or "I did not mean to!" I hate people who ruin gaming for others.

Not enough. A community ban should be on it's place. (Like I said before)
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Blobmania on March 28, 2013, 01:06:48 pm
And he was warned as a result, Gokiller. Please don't follow his example or I'll have to give you the same.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Skyz on March 28, 2013, 02:16:51 pm
Funny how i was the only one who as a screenshot from this. And this was only the slight bit of it.  ???
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Gokiller on March 28, 2013, 02:17:38 pm
Funny how i was the only one who as a screenshot from this. And this was only the slight bit of it.  ???

Don't worry, more people took screenshots. :)
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Blobmania on March 28, 2013, 02:18:05 pm
Members of the admin team also have screenshots, and we have access to the admin logs. We know what happened, and we've got a fair idea of who did it. Just give us time to put it all together, and then we'll release the information publicly.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Matthew on March 28, 2013, 02:50:32 pm
Members of the admin team also have screenshots, and we have access to the admin logs. We know what happened, and we've got a fair idea of who did it. Just give us time to put it all together, and then we'll release the information publicly.
Detective blobski is on the case, but on the other hand I am very interested to see who is behind this.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Jacob on March 28, 2013, 02:54:10 pm
Members of the admin team also have screenshots, and we have access to the admin logs. We know what happened, and we've got a fair idea of who did it. Just give us time to put it all together, and then we'll release the information publicly.
Detective blobski is on the case, but on the other hand I am very interested to see who is behind this.

Detective all admins are on the case ;)
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Affjoris on March 28, 2013, 03:02:36 pm
I just image Blobmania sitting in a room with all the community members and he will be like.
"You probably wonder why i called you all here, well i have something to say to you about the admin abuse. As you all know
there has been a severe case of admin abuse on the forums and i am investigating the matter. Now, my dear watson, would you be so
kind to close the door please? I have been working on this case for a good 12 hours now and i have the answers i need. The admin abusere
is in this room!"

And then the lights go out.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Blobmania on March 28, 2013, 03:11:41 pm
Dum Dum Duuuuuuum....

We're still working on it. We've reached some conclusions as to the identities of those responsible, and we've so far banned Megaberna both for participating (Under the name John Cameron) and as the suspected password holder to have leaked the admin pass. We've got some leads as to the others, but it'll take some time to follow them up.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Refleax on March 28, 2013, 04:10:56 pm
Should you require further clarification please take a look at the below thread.

Who are these Banned/Muted/Warned people? (https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=2970.msg134823#msg134823)
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Helga on March 28, 2013, 05:40:01 pm
So right now it's Mene's word vs Tav's word, basically.
Person accusing someone with no proof or evidence versus someone defending themselves in a steam chat. Oh boy, I wonder who's more trustworthy.

Are you a legitimate dumbass? Menelaos said he was slandered by Tavington with the same phrases that the "abuse admin" used... Also, there's a thread around with Elliot/Emma (AKA Betty), where "he" recorded a youtube of him hacking into the 84e Siege server, and abusing admin powers. Elliot has a known reputation for being a total troll, buying multiple keys, and hating the guts of Aldemar and Tavington. I'm trying to find the post from Elliot, but I have a feeling it's him, since the incident happened to with him.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_195451&feature=iv&src_vid=6KruS66JJXY&v=3ink1tU93DQ[/youtube]

Found it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_195451&feature=iv&src_vid=6KruS66JJXY&v=3ink1tU93DQ
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Blobmania on March 28, 2013, 06:09:21 pm
Megaberna, Rere, Macky and PJ have all been banned from both the forums and Game Servers for their involvement in this incident.

The ID's of the accounts responsible are:

426964
63381
297887
441103

 - If you want to ban them from your own servers.

Any further questions about this can be posted on this thread, or mailed to me directly (and I'll do my best to answer them).

Regards,



Blobmania "The Badmin"
FSE Moderation Staff
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Roald Hoffmann on March 28, 2013, 06:18:34 pm
I hope that Betty will be banned from the game + Forums at any cost. People like him/her don't deserve to have a computer
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Aldemar on March 28, 2013, 06:32:26 pm
Info about 84e Siege admin abuse:

As some know, we had a admin pass abuse on the server yesterday and today. It was not a hacker attack, it was simply a person who gave the adminpass to Betty/Sally to troll us.



His name is "Van_Hulstein" and he gave the admin pass to sally.

We have evidences that he did it but we will not relate it yet.


Aldemar
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Van_Hulstein on March 28, 2013, 07:08:45 pm
Yep, im guilty
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Menelaos on March 28, 2013, 07:47:28 pm
I'd like to apologize for putting Tavington on the spotlight without enough evidence. I'm guilty of overreacting and taking his troll messages literally.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Treble on March 28, 2013, 08:26:30 pm
Jeez, how old is Bettys PC.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 28, 2013, 08:47:49 pm
Jeez, how old is Bettys PC.

He's using unregistered hypercam, which as sad as it is, would explain the framerate issues. Seriously, who the fuck uses unregistered hypercam anymore?
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Xeroth on March 28, 2013, 09:08:58 pm
... After reading over, I have come to the conclusion that we all have some community issues that we need to take care of. It was depressing to read over the accusations when it's obvious if you have read a mystery book or fable, IT'S NEVER WHO YOU WOULD THINK IT IS. I know I was #puzzled when I read Megaberna's name, I thought he was a good guy.  :(
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Tjav on March 28, 2013, 09:57:40 pm
well im just happy it all worked out in the end, good job finding the guilty players etc. now i just hope it doesnt happen again  :)
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Jacob on March 30, 2013, 09:53:20 pm
... After reading over, I have come to the conclusion that we all have some community issues that we need to take care of. It was depressing to read over the accusations when it's obvious if you have read a mystery book or fable, IT'S NEVER WHO YOU WOULD THINK IT IS. I know I was #puzzled when I read Megaberna's name, I thought he was a good guy.  :(

The key word there is thought :P
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 30, 2013, 09:58:06 pm
Why are people legitimately getting upset about this? Are you guys actually mad enough to hate Megaberna after this? Surly you understand how small of a deal this is? I personally had a good laugh.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Beep_Beep_im_a_Jeep on March 30, 2013, 10:06:03 pm
Why are people legitimately getting upset about this? Are you guys actually mad enough to hate Megaberna after this? Surly you understand how small of a deal this is? I personally had a good laugh.
And here I was thinking my humor was bad
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Hadhod on March 30, 2013, 10:10:40 pm
Why are people legitimately getting upset about this? Are you guys actually mad enough to hate Megaberna after this? Surly you understand how small of a deal this is? I personally had a good laugh.

Ofcourse you find that funny, you are in the 15e  ::) It's natural that you try to defend and play down their actions.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 30, 2013, 10:19:33 pm
Why are people legitimately getting upset about this? Are you guys actually mad enough to hate Megaberna after this? Surly you understand how small of a deal this is? I personally had a good laugh.

Ofcourse you find that funny, you are in the 15e  ::) It's natural that you try to defend and play down their actions.

It's not even that it was funny. It's more about how everyone is getting up-and-arms about this like it's the holocaust. Even if you don't find it humorous, you can still surely admit that it wasn't that big of a deal? Even if I wasn't associated with the 15e I still wouldn't give a shit, because it's about the smallest thing in the world that could happen.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Hadhod on March 30, 2013, 10:30:35 pm
Why are people legitimately getting upset about this? Are you guys actually mad enough to hate Megaberna after this? Surly you understand how small of a deal this is? I personally had a good laugh.

Ofcourse you find that funny, you are in the 15e  ::) It's natural that you try to defend and play down their actions.

It's not even that it was funny. It's more about how everyone is getting up-and-arms about this like it's the holocaust. Even if you don't find it humorous, you can still surely admit that it wasn't that big of a deal? Even if I wasn't associated with the 15e I still wouldn't give a shit, because it's about the smallest thing in the world that could happen.

The thing is, what they did was not right. They did it not only because they wanted to randomly ban people but to ruin some regiment's reputation, else they wouldn't have joined under the names of leaders of the big regiments. It is not funny because people who paid for the game were banned, and it cause some trouble for admins to unban them.
All in all it was completely immature, childish and unneccessary.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Affjoris on March 31, 2013, 04:02:53 am
The argument "not a big deal" doesn't really apply here. The official servers are hosted and paid for by fse for the community so that they may play on it. Its not there so that your 15e friends can have some fun for themselves by taking away the ability to play on a server for no other reason then for their own entertainment. Claiming we react to this as if it was the holocaust is a stupid and futhermore unnecairy statement. We react to this with disgust and shun those responsible. Why you ask? Because on these forums and on the official servers there is no place for people who enjoy themselfs by harassing or hindering others to play the game they paid for. Not handling this situation would be stupid, as it would work the same way in the real world. If you would sell cakes for full price claiming that it is a whole cake, but when people would open the box there would only be half a cake in there, you would get punished for that. Seeing as we cant really force you to pay a sum for your misbehavior, we will just have to do with community bann. I don't see how you can not agree with that, but I'm sure you will find a way.

Edit: Some spelling mistakes and grammer.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Gokiller on March 31, 2013, 02:03:17 pm
The argument "not a big deal" doesnt really apply here. The official servers are hosted and paid for by fse for the community so that they may play on it. Its not there so that your 15e friends can have some fun for themselfes by taking away the ability to play on a server for no other reason then for their own entertainment. Claiming we reacte to this as if it was the holocaust is a stupid and futhermore unnecairy statement. We react to this with disgust and shun those responseble. Why you ask? Because on these forums and on the official servers there is no place for people who enjoy themselfs by harrasing or hindering others to play the game they paid for. Not handeling this situation would be stupid, as it would work the same way in the real world. If you would cakes for full price claiming that it is a whole cake, but when people open the box there would only be half a cake there, you would get punished for that. Seeing as we cant really force you to pay a sum for your misbehaivior, we will just have to do with community bann. I dont see how you can not agree with that, but im sure you will find a way.

Well said mate.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 31, 2013, 06:31:01 pm
The argument "not a big deal" doesn't really apply here. The official servers are hosted and paid for by fse for the community so that they may play on it. Its not there so that your 15e friends can have some fun for themselves by taking away the ability to play on a server for no other reason then for their own entertainment. Claiming we react to this as if it was the holocaust is a stupid and futhermore unnecairy statement. We react to this with disgust and shun those responsible. Why you ask? Because on these forums and on the official servers there is no place for people who enjoy themselfs by harassing or hindering others to play the game they paid for. Not handling this situation would be stupid, as it would work the same way in the real world. If you would sell cakes for full price claiming that it is a whole cake, but when people would open the box there would only be half a cake in there, you would get punished for that. Seeing as we cant really force you to pay a sum for your misbehavior, we will just have to do with community bann. I don't see how you can not agree with that, but I'm sure you will find a way.

Edit: Some spelling mistakes and grammer.

I can understand why they got banned, which would probably have happened in any game or community. I do not see why people who had no connection to the incident and were just hearing about it are acting disgusted and upset. Like I said before, even if you don't find this funny whatsoever, why would you actually get mad about it?

I might also add that I had this same attitude before I found out the 15e were involved, and nothing changed once I was informed. It's not a big deal. At all.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Affjoris on March 31, 2013, 06:41:19 pm
Lets take the liberty to say that with "No connection to the incident" you meant that they where not directly involved ( as we are all indirectly involved with this issue, as it happened in the community we are all part of ).
Now lets use my cake example again:
So the guy is selling those half cakes, and people are using their money to buy them. Later they figured out that the guy is scamming them and that are upset that the guy basically took their money from them. Now i am an outsider to all of this, and learn about these true the local news channel. I would be disgusted by the actions of this man, because he is taking more money then he should, only for his own gain.

This of course could be applied to a lot worse examples, but we will keep it at cakes for now.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 31, 2013, 06:49:09 pm
Lets take the liberty to say that with "No connection to the incident" you meant that they where not directly involved ( as we are all indirectly involved with this issue, as it happened in the community we are all part of ).
Now lets use my cake example again:
So the guy is selling those half cakes, and people are using their money to buy them. Later they figured out that the guy is scamming them and that are upset that the guy basically took their money from them. Now i am an outsider to all of this, and learn about these true the local news channel. I would be disgusted by the actions of this man, because he is taking more money then he should, only for his own gain.

This of course could be applied to a lot worse examples, but we will keep it at cakes for now.

Actually, I would put the analogy more like this: A scammer salesman is having a good day scamming all his customers, but then a naughty group of people come down and smash his stand and make his "happy" customers mad. Then his customers defend him because they're so far deep into the scam that they don't even know it. Tada!
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Affjoris on March 31, 2013, 07:03:19 pm
Lets take the liberty to say that with "No connection to the incident" you meant that they where not directly involved ( as we are all indirectly involved with this issue, as it happened in the community we are all part of ).
Now lets use my cake example again:
So the guy is selling those half cakes, and people are using their money to buy them. Later they figured out that the guy is scamming them and that are upset that the guy basically took their money from them. Now i am an outsider to all of this, and learn about these true the local news channel. I would be disgusted by the actions of this man, because he is taking more money then he should, only for his own gain.

This of course could be applied to a lot worse examples, but we will keep it at cakes for now.

Actually, I would put the analogy more like this: A scammer salesman is having a good day scamming all his customers, but then a naughty group of people come down and smash his stand and make his "happy" customers mad. Then his customers defend him because they're so far deep into the scam that they don't even know it. Tada!
Is that the best counter argument you could come up with? Thats stupid even for you.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 31, 2013, 07:49:22 pm
Lets take the liberty to say that with "No connection to the incident" you meant that they where not directly involved ( as we are all indirectly involved with this issue, as it happened in the community we are all part of ).
Now lets use my cake example again:
So the guy is selling those half cakes, and people are using their money to buy them. Later they figured out that the guy is scamming them and that are upset that the guy basically took their money from them. Now i am an outsider to all of this, and learn about these true the local news channel. I would be disgusted by the actions of this man, because he is taking more money then he should, only for his own gain.

This of course could be applied to a lot worse examples, but we will keep it at cakes for now.

Actually, I would put the analogy more like this: A scammer salesman is having a good day scamming all his customers, but then a naughty group of people come down and smash his stand and make his "happy" customers mad. Then his customers defend him because they're so far deep into the scam that they don't even know it. Tada!
Is that the best counter argument you could come up with? Thats stupid even for you.

It's wasn't really meant to be a counter argument. By the way, your analogy made just as little sense as mine. It's all a matter of perspective.
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Crusader on March 31, 2013, 09:47:42 pm
Enough both of you, allow me to shine some light on this,

All 4 of the people involved were banned. By the sounds of it you beleive they were banned for simply spreading the admin password, impersonating regimental leaders, and using racist, homophobic slurs and insults on the servers.



Allow me to take each of these reasons and break them down even further,

Admin password - simply put, Megaberna was an ex-admin of the servers, aye a good  one at that, yet there is no proof he spread the admin password, he denies it, yet the obvious suspicion and coincidence of it is there, not only that but he has trolled these and TW forums for the past few months. Now imagine if that password had been spread further, how much trouble would that have caused if say a third or a quarter of the people on the server did what those 4 did, thats the implication of it. The admin password is a sense of 'power' and with that comes great responsibility, and thats why there is such a small select group of admins, the implicaiton is the abuse that could come with that power if the pass went any further.

Impersonating regiment leaders - impersonating any regiment member, or any regiment by using their tags was already against the rules, however seeing as the select leaders that were impersonated have always been quite infuential and have (mostly) had a good reputation throughout their MM/NW career. Now they purposefully chose these names to slander them and wipe as much diirt on their names as possible to purposefully create a lynching squad for these 4 members of the community, i read posts saying why would player x do this, what a **** etc etc. As you can see they did this because they diidnt like them and just to stir things up again to create another one of these petty revolutions.

Insults - You can work this one out for yourself. Simple.

Now, you take all three of these mixed with the other crap they began and you get a simple fact. These guys do not like FSE for mixed reasons and you can read Megaberna's posts and im sure that will explain it all for you.

Yet the main issue with this was the fact they chose to do this in the middle of the steam sale, where any new players would see the 'official' admins (not hard to research background checks on the names) abusing their powers, trolling, and just being dicks. Now those new players go out and tell their friends which then spread it further, im sure you can see the implications. The purpose was to not troll but to shine bad light upon FSE and throw dirt at them. Now bad news always sticks to anyone and travels faster than good news. If this had have gotten out of hand then people would see FSE and remember 'the admin incident' and then consumer trust drops, etc etc.



So work these things out, look at the underlying reasons and then you will actually understand things.

Nipple that is the principle of the cake thing (even if it was poorly passed across) that people will not trust something if they have some reason to not trust it, it was poorly stated but it makes perfect sense.

Now stop arguing and start debating and keep it civil,

Thanks in advance,

Regards
Crusader
EU Senior Admin
Title: Re: Admin Abuse from participants unknown.
Post by: Modig on April 24, 2013, 06:27:31 pm
Oh now we are all professional all of a sudden.