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Re: US Politics thread
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2016, 05:31:20 pm »
Yeah but karth, we are no longer states as a union but rather a union with states. What i mean is that since the creation of the country, the federal government has gradually gotten more power and more influence. I can understand your argument if it was 1790 but its not. The truth is, small states dont have to worry about big states because the fed has all the power anyways. So what im saying is that if we are going to have a federalized system then it would make sense to have that system not even take states into account. Governors are elected via popular vote of the state, it makes sense that Presidents should be elected via popular vote of the nation.

As it stands, someone from wyoming holds 4x the voting power of someone from california...that shouldnt even be possible.

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Re: US Politics thread
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2016, 06:16:57 pm »
The house of reps. is currently capped at 435. Idk why the cap is there, but that leads to underrepresentation of bigger states.
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Re: US Politics thread
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2016, 06:28:55 pm »
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In regards to electoral college, it does come down to states rights and equal representation of the state.


If anything, it completely botches equal representation.

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States are different, in economics, culture, laws, etc..

So? That's sorta the nature of regions. They differ. You also differ from your neighbour, but you don't claim that you are entiteled to four times his voting power.

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and if the electoral college was dismantled and it went by popular vote/ then more states than the few blue would feel there representation didn't mean anything at all,and that a few states gain full power.


It really wouldn't. This is all from the mythical idea that a few states with democratic majorities would have their ENTIRE population vote Democrat and would therefor make a Republican victory impossible, which is miles from the truth. More people voted Republican in California then in Alaska, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Utah, Idaho, Nebreska and West Virginia combined. Millions of Americans don't even bother going to the polls because their vote literally makes no difference . There really are no red or blue states anyway. If seats were given out proportionally, Clinton would have gotten 1of Alaska's 3 Electoral Votes, 16 out Texas' 38 and 4 out of Tennessee's 11. The same goes for Trump, who would have won 11 out of NY's 29, 5 out of Washington's 11 and 2 out of Rhode Island's 4.

Right now, it sucks living in a bigger state. Big states are literally underrepresentated in every branch of government, and still people dare claim the little ones are in danger.

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That's why it exists in general, so I don't believe in a full dismantlement but definitely needs to be modified in terms of gerrymandering and other sketchy policies

There is no gerrymandering in the Electoral college.

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Re: US Politics thread
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2016, 10:23:23 pm »
mfw Donald Trump is only going to take a $1 salary instead of $400k. TOP MEME

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Re: US Politics thread
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2016, 10:32:11 pm »
mfw Donald Trump is only going to take a $1 salary instead of $400k. TOP MEME

I think that's awesome and a great gesture

But to be fair, he didn't need it

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« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2016, 10:49:17 pm »


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Re: US Politics thread
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2016, 11:05:28 pm »
mfw Donald Trump is only going to take a $1 salary instead of $400k. TOP MEME
didnt he say he wasn't going to touch $1 of his salary?
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Re: US Politics thread
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2016, 11:20:07 pm »


There is no gerrymandering in the Electoral college.

sadly tho, if EC votes were provided by districts and not states, gerrymandering would have an effect. using the most recent example in 2010, after the census, republicans had taken over most of the local, state, and federal around the country.  They then used their new power when it came redrawing districts to gerrymander them.  More and more of the seats are not up for grabs between either party.   they are instead only up for grabs for the party that gerrymandered them in their favor.   Meaning only primaries matter.  outside of landslide elections, there is a good chance you will never see those seats flip parties.  Democrats did the same thing.

it leads to both parties having to run farther left or right to accommodate their base, making it harder to find moderates.  Which in turn makes it harder for things to get done in both state and federal levels.  There are exceptions, but this is how it plays out normally.

now if EC votes were based off districts, the EC votes for senators would still have to be given out somehow.  Either you make a whole new map in each state with new EC districts that aren't tied to the regular house districts, you give the winner of the state both of their votes, or you split those based on % of the vote.(at what % would the votes split?  40%+? for the loser)
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Re: US Politics thread
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2016, 10:04:19 am »
Or give out the EC votes proportionally per state.

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Re: US Politics thread
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2016, 12:07:12 pm »
mfw Donald Trump is only going to take a $1 salary instead of $400k. TOP MEME
didnt he say he wasn't going to touch $1 of his salary?

He said that he might have to lawfully take $1

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Re: US Politics thread
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2016, 02:41:24 pm »
mfw Donald Trump is only going to take a $1 salary instead of $400k. TOP MEME
didnt he say he wasn't going to touch $1 of his salary?

He said that he might have to lawfully take $1
there have been a couple of presidents who donated their salary to charity. He should just do that
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Re: US Politics thread
« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2016, 03:53:11 pm »
mfw Donald Trump is only going to take a $1 salary instead of $400k. TOP MEME
didnt he say he wasn't going to touch $1 of his salary?

He said that he might have to lawfully take $1
there have been a couple of presidents who donated their salary to charity. He should just do that

Charity is cool and all but it won't help our debt

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Re: US Politics thread
« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2016, 04:51:16 pm »
It is not like Donald Trump is going to help with the debt anyway...

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Re: US Politics thread
« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2016, 04:52:26 pm »
It is not like Donald Trump is going to help with the debt anyway...
hes already doing better than Obama and he's not even in office yet
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Re: US Politics thread
« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2016, 04:59:10 pm »
It is not like Donald Trump is going to help with the debt anyway...
hes already doing better than Obama and he's not even in office yet

Trump has already started changing most of his policy proposals since the election, so lets wait and see what he does. However the indicators for the US economy are not good and invesotrs are increasingly bearish. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-14/trump-or-no-trump-why-next-8-years-will-be-worst-economic-period-us-history